Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Apr 2015 11:05

Very good. They can rent a few ships and lead the sunni crusades to ksa.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 13 Apr 2015 11:37

Why or Why? They can start fighting for soothis inside bakistan.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 13 Apr 2015 11:48

https://twitter.com/theoptimist1991/sta ... 7840445440

https://twitter.com/raghvendranaik9/sta ... 6668064768

tribute to our shiv garu in my way..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 14:53

Nawaz Sharif is more dangerous than the Pakistani army!
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/pa ... 1643972215

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 14:54

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakist ... -not-going
957682 - the precision is absurd.

LAHORE (Dunya News) – 9 lac 57 thousand and 682 children of school going age are out of school in Lahore, says a report prepared by a private institute working for education. According to the report, despite all the claims of provincial government, there are not enough schools and teachers for the children of the provincial capital so 37% children are not going to schools.

Report states that there are 1216 government schools in Lahore city while the city needs 38 new schools. The report says that government of Punjab has improved the condition of existing schools but many schools of Lahore still lack basic necessities like clean water and boundary wall.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 15:01

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakist ... -not-going
"Less than 25% of KP development budget utilised".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 15:04

I like this spin:
http://www.shiitenews.org/index.php/shi ... alochistan
"Saudi funded terrorists gun down 20 labourers in Balochistan"

The Saudi-UK funded terrorists-cum-separatist from last a decade trying to destablize the Pakistan's largest province Balochistan by killing the opponents on sectarian and ethnic basis and attacking on the armed forces of Pakistan.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 15:20

http://www.dawn.com/news/1175551/renewe ... ian-market

Blame it on fate or the crisis-infected the region, but claims of expanding economic ties between Pakistan and Iran have yet to be substantiated. The trend over the past five years belies the sweet talk and is, indeed, depressing.

Despite the preferential trade agreement (PTA) signed a decade back, trade between the two neighbours has fallen by 75pc since 2009 while, in the same period, Iran’s trade with India, China and Turkey boomed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 15:57

Nawaz Sharif to deliver 'statement' on Yemen conflict this evening - Dawn

A short statement issued by the prime minister's house today said that Nawaz Sharif will make an "important statement" on Pakistan's position in the escalating crisis in Yemen.

"The PM would deliver an important statement on Yemen-Saudi Arabia issue at 6:30 pm today at the PM house," the statement issued by the PM House said.

The PM's statement is expected to come during a short broadcast on state television.

Tension between Pakistan and long-time ally Saudi Arabia has risen in the past week, as Parliament unanimously passed a resolution urging the Sharif-led government to keep a neutral stance in the Yemen conflict.

PM Nawaz Sharif has called an urgent meeting of civil military leaders at PM House later on Monday afternoon.

PM House sources confirmed the meeting and said an important decision is expected on the prevailing Yemen crisis and Pakistan's possible role in the conflict.

A final announcement is expected to be made by Nawaz himself on state television this evening.

Will Nawaz reverse the National Assembly's decision? Things are moving fast?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Apr 2015 16:07

SSridhar wrote:Nawaz Sharif to deliver 'statement' on Yemen conflict this evening - Dawn
A short statement issued by the prime minister's house today said that Nawaz Sharif will make an "important statement" on Pakistan's position in the escalating crisis in Yemen.

"The PM would deliver an important statement on Yemen-Saudi Arabia issue at 6:30 pm today at the PM house," the statement issued by the PM House said.

The PM's statement is expected to come during a short broadcast on state television.

Tension between Pakistan and long-time ally Saudi Arabia has risen in the past week, as Parliament unanimously passed a resolution urging the Sharif-led government to keep a neutral stance in the Yemen conflict.

PM Nawaz Sharif has called an urgent meeting of civil military leaders at PM House later on Monday afternoon.

PM House sources confirmed the meeting and said an important decision is expected on the prevailing Yemen crisis and Pakistan's possible role in the conflict.

A final announcement is expected to be made by Nawaz himself on state television this evening.
Will Nawaz reverse the National Assembly's decision? Things are moving fast?

the one thing a paki well and truly understands is a swift kick to the the batwa.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Apr 2015 16:09

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/1 ... ack-in-nwa

Has this Droneacharya sneeze been missed?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 16:39

"I visited China and all I got was 47 MoUs".
http://www.dawn.com/news/1175654/pml-n- ... ese-basket
And there are 10 more in the pipeline for whenever Mr Eleven visits Pakistan.

In diplomatic parlance, an ‘MoU’ means that “signatories have agreed to look into the possibility of joining hands to carry out a certain project” and it has no legal obligations attached to it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Apr 2015 17:42

SSridhar wrote:Nawaz Sharif to deliver 'statement' on Yemen conflict this evening - Dawn

NSFW Look what I found, a Paki doing morning exercises in Yemen!

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 13 Apr 2015 19:05

^^
Please just post hypertext connection of such images was enough. Normally such image links are posted with due warning.

added later : thanks

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 19:06

Pakistan does not abandon friends and strategic partners: PM Nawaz - DAWN

Amidst unsubstantiated rumours that Pakistan will commit troops to Saudi Arabia for the protection of its borders, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in an address today urged a peaceful solution to the Yemen crisis through dialogue with warring factions and reiterated the importance of the Saudi Kingdom as a ‘strategic ally’.

Nawaz in his speech today upheld Parliament’s recent resolution to stay 'neutral' in the Yemen conflict, and repeated the words of the resolution regarding the importance of Saudi Arabia as an ally. “We stand with them shoulder to shoulder,” he said.

“We want to assure the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) that their frustration was due a miscommunication in the interpretation of the stand of our Parliament. There should be no doubt about our policy, we do not abandon friends.”

Pakistan firmly believes that President Mansur Hadi’s government will be important to maintain peace and stability in Yemen, said Nawaz.

The premier's remarks were an apparent reference to the tensions between Pakistan and long-time ally Saudi Arabia which have risen in the past week, as Parliament unanimously passed a resolution urging the Sharif-led government to keep a neutral stance in the Yemen conflict.

Nawaz further said that media reports regarding this have been speculative which has created misunderstandings. “That is why we have not responded to any of this.”

“Parliament had affirmed in categorical terms that any violation of territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia will not be tolerated. This is promised despite the massive commitment of our troops in Zarb-e-Azb,” said Nawaz.

“I also conveyed this to Iranian Foreign Minister Javed Zarif that Houthi rebels are a threat to stability of the region. I urged Zarif to use Iranian influence to bring Houthi rebels on the talks’ table.”

“We have already intensified our contacts with Saudi Arabia to monitor the ongoing situation,” said the premier while giving a policy statement after doing consultation with Military leadership.

Nawaz was flanked by Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, Foreign Affairs Adviser Sartaj Aziz, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry, Tariq Fatemi and Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid.

So, there *is* rift between the desert ummah brothers and the wannabe-desert-ummah-brother. The Arabs are not used to Pakistan speaking up defiantly. They don't like it. Pakistan will have to pay the price as the UAE minister bluntly said. For how long can Nawaz successfully resist pressure? Erdogan's case is entirely different. Neither he nor his country is beholden to KSA. In fact, they were its rulers about a hundred years back. Pakistan cannot afford to behave like Turkey. Already, the wahhabi ASWJ conglomerate has already started putting pressure on The Establishment. If the Yemen crisis escalates or even continues at the same level for some more time, Pakistan would find itself in a tougher situation. It will have to capitulate. The real danger then would be that the attacks on the Shi'a would exponentially increase. How would the 'bad Taliban' exploit the situation? After Kargil, there was revolt in the NLI. Would a similar situation arise? How would Pakistan deal with a China which is clearly not interested in an escalation and Pakistan's involvement in it? Interesting times ahead.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 13 Apr 2015 19:30

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan does not abandon friends and strategic partners: PM Nawaz - DAWN

Nawaz in his speech today upheld Parliament’s recent resolution to stay 'neutral' in the Yemen conflict, and repeated the words of the resolution regarding the importance of Saudi Arabia as an ally. “We stand with them shoulder to shoulder,” he said.

“We want to assure the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) that their frustration was due a miscommunication in the interpretation of the stand of our Parliament. There should be no doubt about our policy, we do not abandon friends.”

I always believed that the only way forward for Arabs is to start learning Urdu, esp if they want to stay on the good side of the Ummah 'leaders'!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Apr 2015 19:38

kancha wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Pakistan does not abandon friends and strategic partners: PM Nawaz - DAWN

Nawaz in his speech today upheld Parliament’s recent resolution to stay 'neutral' in the Yemen conflict, and repeated the words of the resolution regarding the importance of Saudi Arabia as an ally. “We stand with them shoulder to shoulder,” he said.

“We want to assure the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) that their frustration was due a miscommunication in the interpretation of the stand of our Parliament. There should be no doubt about our policy, we do not abandon friends.”
I always believed that the only way forward for Arabs is to start learning Urdu, esp if they want to stay on the good side of the Ummah 'leaders'!

Arabs must be cursing why did they have to depend on South Asia for their survival and peace in the region

Arabs have to learn Urdu - a south asian language - to make sure that they have stability in their region.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Apr 2015 20:06

Pakistani Prince Sharaflet's Add-Arab problem.To Obey or Not to Obey. Paki go to Saudia & Balochistan go Tehran.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Apr 2015 20:21

PAKISTAN DOES NOT ABONDON FRIENDS AND STRATEGIC PARTNERS- Nawaz Sharif

Gargash added that Pakistan's stand would be at a "high cost - UAE Minister

For first "high cost " example, see below:
Lahore to Dammam flight prevented from landing in Saudi Arabia: reports

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 13 Apr 2015 20:33

SSridhar wrote: So, there *is* rift between the desert ummah brothers and the wannabe-desert-ummah-brother. The Arabs are not used to Pakistan speaking up defiantly. They don't like it. Pakistan will have to pay the price as the UAE minister bluntly said. For how long can Nawaz successfully resist pressure? Erdogan's case is entirely different. Neither he nor his country is beholden to KSA. In fact, they were its rulers about a hundred years back. Pakistan cannot afford to behave like Turkey.

SS - I have to jog your memory ...

Pakistan and Turkey are 'One Nation, Two Countries', as declared by NS! If Turkey was a ruler about a hundred years back, Pakistan too were rulers. If not directly over KSA, Pakistan were rulers for ~~1000~~ 800 years in Sooth Asia(ref - any history book in Pakistan).

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 13 Apr 2015 20:43

Falijee wrote:PAKISTAN DOES NOT ABONDON FRIENDS AND STRATEGIC PARTNERS- Nawaz Sharif

Gargash added that Pakistan's stand would be at a "high cost - UAE Minister

For first "high cost " example, see below:
Lahore to Dammam flight prevented from landing in Saudi Arabia: reports

That is nothing. Cost would be high when it reads like "Lahore to Dammam flight unable to take off, as no fuel available from Abbu"

I read that a Pak delegation would visit KSA soon. Damage control?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Apr 2015 20:56

Its time for Kabul to Explore Paki Mush for its own peace purpose by giving ultimatum for Mullah Omar to be handed over within 72 hours.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 20:58

What a slip in "HIGHLIGHTS OF PAKISTAN ECONOMIC SURVEY 2013-14"
http://finance.gov.pk/survey/chapters_1 ... 201314.pdf

Pakistan Bureau of Statistics released quarterly growth rate for the first time during the
current fiscal year. Pakistan has shared its methodology for preparation of quarterly economic figures with international financial institutions like IMF. They have expressed complete satisfaction over the mythology.

What I was after is the breakdown of numbers for

The major inflow of FDI is from US, Hong Kong, UK, Switzerland and UAE.

What happens if UAE wants to punish Pakistan? How much of this FDI will they block? Anyway, I could not find numbers about what is at stake.

PS: going the other way:

People from 140 countries are investing in the property market of Dubai, with total real estate transactions amounting to 218bn dirhams in 2014......Pakistanis bought property worth 7.5bn dirhams, and became the second largest community in the list of expatriate property buyers in Dubai during 2014.

7.5/218 = 3.4%, so it wouldn't matter what Pakistanis do.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 13 Apr 2015 22:03

A_Gupta wrote:
7.5/218 = 3.4%, so it wouldn't matter what Pakistanis do.

au Contraire, it might matter what UAE does .. all those dirhams and properties are INSIDE the UAE, no?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 13 Apr 2015 23:06

A_Gupta wrote:I like this spin:
http://www.shiitenews.org/index.php/shi ... alochistan
"Saudi funded terrorists gun down 20 labourers in Balochistan"...................

The complete story: Saudi-funded terrorists trained in Saudi-funded seminaries used Afghanistan-funded bullets to gun down 20 Iran-funded labourers constructing a China-funded highway in RAW-funded B'lochistan, while the US-funded fauj ambled in too late to cause further harm. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan was nowhere in the picture.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Apr 2015 23:14

In fact, if relations get worse, there will be even more Pakistani purchases in Dubai...The more the punishment, the greater the investment likely.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 13 Apr 2015 23:40

^^

Saudi funded terrorists gun down 20 labourers in Balochistan

It is not reliable. Because Pakistanis can generally produce accurate statistics within minutes like A_gupta learned above.

19 people killed
3 people lost their right leg, while 2 lost their left leg
1 person lost 1.5 fingers.
There also be 16 grenades, 23 AK47, 1067 bullets, 4 abandoned gunny bags containing 21,342 paki rupees and food rations that can sustain 7 people for exactly 3 and a quarter days.

So don't pay any attention to this nonsense.

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 14 Apr 2015 01:16

Anujan wrote:Popcorn and beer time.

Maybe India can fish in troubled waters and get Dawood extradited from UAE.

One thing GCC can do is to threaten Pakistan that India will be invited to OIC and will be given some potent rights. That will get paki chaddi in a twist. They tried everything in their capacity to block India out of it so it will rub in a great deal that the country formed out of India in the name of Islam has to share table with India along with other Islamic countries.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2015 01:23

Singha wrote:Very good. They can rent a few ships and lead the sunni crusades to ksa.

Sunnis don't go on crusades.
They go on razas or raids.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2015 01:25

Its possible that Badmash is sensing KSA loss of status and is withholding his support to make them go down.

Leaves him with new Medina aka Islumabad.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Apr 2015 02:53

KSA Chamchas now coming out .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Apr 2015 03:24

The Foreign Policy Essay: Whether or Not Pakistan Will Join the War in Yemen May Depend on a Group You’ve Probably Never Heard Of
By C. Christine Fair and Ali Hamza
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/04/the- ... -heard-of/

It’s payback time. As Saudi Arabia goes to war in Yemen, it is calling in favors, with Egypt and other allies joining Riyadh’s “alliance” against the Houthis, whom the Saudis see as another Iranian proxy. Pakistan, with perhaps the most capable military in the Muslim world, is considering joining the fray. Georgetown University’s C. Christine Fair and Ali Hamza explain Pakistan’s domestic dynamics, focusing particular attention on Jamaat-ud-Dawa, formerly called Lashkar-e Taiba, the terrorist group that has long worked closely with the Pakistani military and intelligence service.On March 26, as Iranian-backed Houthi rebels appeared to gain the upper hand in Yemen, Saudi Arabia initiated a military campaign against Houthi rebels in support of President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi. Saudi Arabia, which has long patronized Pakistan’s economy, military, and even nuclear program, wants Pakistan to support this gambit militarily.When Riyadh comes knocking in the twin cities of Rawalpindi (where the army’s general headquarters is located) and Islamabad (the seat of the civilian government and domicile of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI), ignoring the clamor is not an option. Last March, Saudi Arabia “gifted” Pakistan with $1.5 billion, and many analysts viewed this as essentially a down payment on Pakistan’s support for Saudi Arabia’s preferred policies in Syria.Pakistan’s powerful military—long accustomed to getting its way in Pakistan—has said that it wants to comply with Riyadh’s request. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who has long-standing ties to the Kingdom, including a long exile in Saudi Arabia after General Musharraf seized power in October 1999, is also likely inclined to support the request. Even the “left-of-center” Pakistan Peoples’ Party has publicly stated that it supports the Saudi intervention in Yemen.Unfortunately, the civilian government and the army have hit a road bump: Pakistanis do not support entering this war. So to generate public support for this endeavor, the Pakistan army’s most loyal militant proxy, Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), has stepped into the fray. The group, which was responsible for the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks among other outrages, has been using its social media and convening rallies across the country to mobilize public support for providing military assistance to the Saudi intervention in Yemen. This essay documents JuD’s messaging efforts by examining JuD’s various official Twitter feeds as well as the rhetoric that JuD deploys during its rallies.

Jamaat-ud-Dawa: Loyal Ally of the Army and ISI

Jamaat-ud-Dawa was known as Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) until it was “banned” in 2002. Following the ban, the group simply reorganized itself under the new name. Most international analysts consider Jamaat-ud-Dawa (née Lashkar-e-Taiba) to be a terrorist organization that prosecutes the army and ISI’s agenda in India and, at different times, in Afghanistan. In contrast, many Pakistanis view JuD more as a philanthropic organization than a purveyor of terror at the state’s behest. What few analysts have generally understood is that JuD also plays a critical role in Pakistan’s domestic politics that derives from its close ties to Pakistan’s military and intelligence agencies. One of these important roles is that JuD, with its commitment to safeguarding the state, offers ideological and material competition to other violent groups in Pakistan. JuD also offers the important utility of street power through its ability to mobilize thousands of ordinary Pakistanis behind government policies.

JuD Messaging

In its campaign to generate public support for Pakistani military assistance to Saudi Arabia, JuD’s messaging has pushed five themes: 1) it is the duty of all Muslims to defend Saudi Arabia, as it is the home of the two holiest sites in Islam; 2) the crisis in Yemen is the result of a Jewish-Crusader alliance out to destroy the Muslim holy places; 3) the Houthi rebels plan to attack imminently and thus Saudi Arabia is fighting a defensive war to protect the sacred sites; 4) the Muslim world must unite to fend off this menace; and 5) everyone in Pakistan supports this effort.

1) Protect the Harmain and Saudi Arabia

JuD’s emir (leader) Mohammad Hafez Saeed has proclaimed at public rallies that it is the duty of every Pakistani, and indeed every Muslim, to protect the “harmain”—the Grand Mosque in Mecca, which surrounds the Ka`ba, and the Prophet’s Mosque in Medina—from a Houthi onslaught. JuD also argues that because of the presence of the harmain in Saudi Arabia, that country is the spiritual center for Muslims; thus, Saudi Arabia must also be protected against the enemies of Islam and of God who have conspired to create fitna (strife) on Saudi Arabia’s doorstep.On April 2, JuD announced that it had formed a new nationwide movement called “Pasban-e-Harmain-Sharifian” (Defenders of the Holy Sites) for the defense of the revered structures, aimed at generating support beyond JuD’s traditional support base. They set up a separate Twitter account and designed a special symbol to represent the movement, which JuD’s national twitter feed also adopted (see Figure 1). Saeed explained that under this banner JuD would gather the various political and religious parties on a single platform for the defense of the harmain.The logo is a remarkable piece of propaganda. In addition to featuring the Ka`ba, it references the poetry of Allama Iqbal, a Muslim political philosopher that Pakistanis revere alongside Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the so-called Father of Pakistan. JuD’s mobilization of this Pakistani revision of Iqbal’s call to Muslim unity is a clever and emotive strategy because most Pakistanis will recognize this line and immediately understand the message its use is meant to convey.

2) Blame the Jews and Crusaders

A second theme that JuD propounds in its efforts to galvanize support for providing Pakistani military aid to Saudi Arabia is that, contrary to what the international and even Pakistani media claim, the conflict in Yemen is not sectarian and it is not about Iranian and Saudi competition; rather, the JuD claims that the conflict is a result of a conspiracy on the part of “the Crusaders and Jews” to destabilize Yemen. Sometimes the Crusaders are omitted. For example, on March 27, Saeed declared that that a “Jewish conspiracy” (yahudi sazish) has destabilized Yemen. Rather than characterizing Iran’s involvement in the conflict as “sectarian,” Saeed explained that Iran is involved because it is part of a “US and Zionist conspiracy” and castigated Iran for not representing the “Muslim world.” Incidentally, this supports JuD’s anti-sectarian commitments within Pakistan. Similarly, on April 3, Saeed explained to the people gathered at a public rally that the Houthi rebellion in Yemen is not a problem of “Saudi Arabia vs. Iran” or “Shi`a vs. Sunni;” rather it is due to a conspiracy waged by “Crusaders and Jews.” The concept of a nefarious “Crusader-Jew” alliance has considerable takers throughout the Muslim world. Indeed, Osama bin Laden himself alleged that such a nexus exists to harm Muslims.It also has salience in Pakistan. Even though the vast majority of Pakistanis have never met a Jew in their life, many Pakistanis are deeply anti-Semitic. Pakistan’s media spends considerable time dilating upon Israel’s treatment of Palestinians while paying virtually no regard to Arab maltreatment of the same. Many Pakistanis are susceptible to any number of conspiracy theories about “the Jews,” including, inter alia, that they: 1) run Hollywood; 2) run global finance; 3) dictate U.S. foreign policy; 4) are behind virtually every woe in Pakistan; and 5) were behind the events of 9/11. Pakistanis tend to conflate being Jewish with being Israeli and typically use “Jew” and “Zionist” interchangeably. In addition to believing that Jews are behind every malady in Pakistan, many Pakistanis believe that Jews operate in tandem with Hindus (sometimes referred to even more pejoratively as Brahmans or Baniyas) and the Crusaders (i.e., the United States). Ordinary Pakistanis, popular media personalities, and many in the military or government take it as fact that there is a “Zionist-Hindu-Crusader” nexus that seeks to impose any number of tragedies upon Pakistan. Lamentably, these themes are commonplace in Pakistani textbooks.

3) Saudi Arabia Is Fighting a Defensive War

JuD asserts that the Houthi rebels pose an imminent threat to the Muslim holy sites in Saudi Arabia. To protect them, Saudi Arabia is fighting a defensive war. On social media, JuD uses the hashtag #DefendingHarmain and phrases like “defending and protecting the harmain” to imply that the war is being fought inside Saudi Arabia rather than in Yemen (see Figure 2). Additionally, JuD claims that ISIS and the Houthi rebels are part of the same conspiracy, bent on destroying sacred sites.

DefendingHarmain(Translation: “Saudi Arabia is the spiritual leader of Muslims and Pakistan is the defensive center of the Muslims. We will consider defense of Harmain our religious obligation.)

Pakistanis, like Americans, are not well versed in geography, and JuD has not used maps in their rallies. Portraying this offensive war in Yemen that was launched to protect Saudi strategic interests as a defensive war in Saudi Arabia to protect the harmain is a straightforward communication strategy that will resonate with Pakistanis, most of whom will know that the holy sites of Mecca and Medina are in Saudi Arabia even if they have no clue about Yemen and the complex web of woes ensnaring it.

4) Muslims Must Unite (to kill other Muslims)Another theme the JuD emphasizes is that only unity across the Muslim world can undermine this conspiracy. For this reason, the invocation of Iqbal’s call for all Muslims to unite to protect the sanctuary is particularly salient. Hafez Saeed told his followers that Muslims of all countries—including Pakistan—should worry more about the harmain than their own countries and the problems they confront. This message is particularly germane to Pakistanis given that Pakistan has been at war with itself since 2002. During a press conference at JuD’s headquarters in Khyber, Saeed told attendees that protecting the harmain is “a part of our faith” and that Pakistan should unite Muslim countries in their defense.In this vein, JuD exhorted Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to unite Islamic countries in defense of the “Land of the Harmain” (Saudi Arabia) and called on him to present himself as the leader of the Muslim world. After all, Saeed argued, Pakistan is an atomic power and is thus at the center of defending the Muslim world and standing up the various world powers. Saeed also reminded Pakistanis that Saudi Arabia has always played a role in Pakistan’s defense (Saudi Arabia is widely suspected of funding Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program). JuD’s statements construct Pakistan as the “defense center” of the Muslim world and Saudi Arabia as the “spiritual leader.” In this way, Pakistan is obliged to defend Saudi Arabia against this threat, construed as a Jewish and Crusader alliance to mobilize Houthis against the holiest of Muslim sites.

5) There’s Already a Consensus (Even If It’s Fictitious)

Finally, many of JuD’s statements give the impression that the civilian government and military have already made the decision to militarily support Saudi Arabia and that the Pakistani public is behind the government’s decision. Figure 3 presents a typical JuD rally and concomitant tweet to this effect.he caption reads: “The people are ready to fight shoulder to shoulder with the Saudi government to protect the Holy Harmain!” The tweet also includes a photo of rally in which JuD activists, who are easily identified by the organization’s distinctive black and white flag, carry a sign that reads: “We strongly support the decision of the Pakistani government to protect the sanctity of the holy sites.” Extraordinarily, JuD claims that Pakistanis are ready and willing to sacrifice their lives in defense of the “Guardian of the Holy Sites”—that is, the king of Saudi Arabia.

The reality is quite different. Pakistani opinion leaders have noted that Saudi Arabia is behind much of the terrorism that has ravaged Pakistan and has done little to attenuate Saudi-origin support for extremist madrassas that churn out students steeped in sectarian hate-mongering. Opponents have also rightly asked what Saudi Arabia has done to support Pakistan in its various internal and external military challenges. Moreover, Pakistan’s military has been fighting the Pakistani Taliban in the tribal areas for more than a decade, and the Pakistani Taliban receive support from Saudi Arabia (among others). Pakistanis—especially Shi`a—also worry that the sectarian-tinged war in Yemen will exacerbate the ongoing war being waged against Shi`a in Pakistan by Sunni militants with ties to Saudi Arabia.It is impossible to assess what the net impacts of JuD’s messaging will have on public opinion. And it should be remembered that JuD is not the only organization engaging in such efforts. Deobandi political religious leaders have also weighed in to support the move; Deobandis have influence over most of the militant groups operating in Pakistan and they have influence over most of the country’s mosques and madrassas. Mainstream Ahl-e-Hadis ulema (religious scholars) also support the move. Meanwhile, Barelvis and Shi`a oppose militant support for Saudi Arabia’s Yemen misadventure.Ultimately, the Pakistani state will decide after weighing numerous considerations, not the least of which is Saudi largesse. However, if the past provides any clues, the efforts of JuD will likely be significant. After all, JuD has an enormous domestic infrastructure, deep credibility among Pakistanis, and considerable street presence. Unlike its Deobandi counterparts who support this measure as part of their larger sectarian worldview, JuD espouses national unity. Even after the decision is taken, likely to support Saudi Arabia, JuD’s efforts will continue to shore up support for the controversial policy. No matter the ultimate outcome, JuD will use this opportunity to burnish its credentials with the deep state and further imbricate itself in Pakistan’s domestic and foreign policies.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Apr 2015 04:34

ramana wrote:Its possible that Badmash is sensing KSA loss of status and is withholding his support to make them go down.

Leaves him with new Medina aka Islumabad.

I think Islam is built so that Islam is where Mecca is. And Mecca is always in KSA, so Saudis are safe. Oil may be over some day, but Muslims will still make trips to Mecca paying huge amounts of money.
Saudis will twist Paki testimonials. Will be interesting.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Apr 2015 04:42

saudis are not monoliths...right now the monarchy uses money, power and all tricks to keep dissent down..under right conditions, they can splinter very fast.

that entire region has a problem with 'letting go'...they just carry grudges forever and ever.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2015 04:48

More likely KSA activated its minions in TSP to drum up support.
Hafiz Suar is a likely candidate to lead the TSP misguided into Yemen for he will get their women.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2015 05:12

KJo wrote:
ramana wrote:Its possible that Badmash is sensing KSA loss of status and is withholding his support to make them go down.

Leaves him with new Medina aka Islumabad.
I think Islam is built so that Islam is where Mecca is. And Mecca is always in KSA, so Saudis are safe. Oil may be over some day, but Muslims will still make trips to Mecca paying huge amounts of money.
Saudis will twist Paki testimonials. Will be interesting.

No. That is new. Islam was where the Caliphate was. Nothing is permanently sacred other than Quran and Prophet. Ironically its a book and a man that are held in highest esteem.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2015 05:26

The Foreign Policy Essay: Whether or Not Pakistan Will Join the War in Yemen May Depend on a Group You’ve Probably Never Heard Of
By C. Christine Fair and Ali Hamza
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/04/the- ... -heard-of/

Let me point out something from this article. Ms Fair says

So to generate public support for this endeavor, the Pakistan army’s most loyal militant proxy, Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), has stepped into the fray. The group, which was responsible for the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks among other outrages, has been using its social media and convening rallies across the country to mobilize public support for providing military assistance to the Saudi intervention in Yemen.This essay documents JuD’s messaging efforts by examining JuD’s various official Twitter feeds as well as the rhetoric that JuD deploys during its rallies.

I constantly see on BRF comments that devalue and dismiss this woman - mainly because she is "not held in high esteem in America". For BRF this is astoundingly blinkered. Her value in America should not allow our views to be coloured. Here she is doing us Indians a favour. She is analysing Lashkar e Toibas tweets and social media interaction. No Indian does that or get his view published in the media. She also clearly mentions the connection with Mumbai.

This woman's work needs to be leveraged. In cases where desis maybe even Kandle Kissers listen to and find goras credible - Fair is an asset to be used. Her lack of value value in America is completely irrelevant. If one billion Indians can hear and understand what Fair says, what the US says or does to Pakistan will become irrelevant. We need to convert Kandle kisser Indians using Fair's views, not waste effort trying to understand Americans views of Fair.

Here is something else she says in the same article which I would like Pakistan pasand Indians or at least fence sitters to see

In addition to believing that Jews are behind every malady in Pakistan, many Pakistanis believe that Jews operate in tandem with Hindus (sometimes referred to even more pejoratively as Brahmans or Baniyas) and the Crusaders (i.e., the United States). Ordinary Pakistanis, popular media personalities, and many in the military or government take it as fact that there is a “Zionist-Hindu-Crusader” nexus that seeks to impose any number of tragedies upon Pakistan. Lamentably, these themes are commonplace in Pakistani textbooks.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Apr 2015 05:36

ramana wrote:More likely KSA activated its minions in TSP to drum up support.
Hafiz Suar is a likely candidate to lead the TSP misguided into Yemen for he will get their women.

Q is if JUD is likely to use Yemen as pathway to Whoorland then does it provide Indian legitimate cause to support Houthi in wide opening this Door to Jaanat for next 10-15 years. Either way IMHO, Bakistan is getting into Interesting time which may results in Interesting consequences. Invincible Dove must be watching observing the scene with smile.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Apr 2015 05:39

During the first ever visit to India by a North Korean Foreign Minister, India conveyed its security concerns to North Korea over supply of its missile technology to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

India should not agree to North Korea’s request for humanitarian aid for passing on nuclear weapon and missile technology to the Islamic Republic :

Read more at:

India conveys concern to North Korea over missile tech supply to Pakistan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2015 05:52

WRT to Fair's article linked by Jhujar earlier, Hafiz Saeed is "moving away" from Kashmir to a faraway target, Yemen. This is an interesting tactic in my view. It could mean that the man is under sufficient pressure for him to try and pass himself off as a big jihadi fighting for all of Islam and the entire ummah rather than just Kashmir, giving him an excuse to turn his attention away from Kashmir momentarily to score Islamic brownies.

But with Cashmere being so popular in Shitistan, why would Saeed need to do that? Saeed has personal axe to grind after all - one of his sons was given his 72 in Kashmir by Indian forces. But Saeed lives under heavy security. In this case Saeed is "going against the instincts" of Pakistanis and is acting as the Army's tool to make a case for involvement in Yemen. This could make him less popular - but the army needs it because it needs the money.If India builds up enough capability by co-opting disgruntled Pakis - Saeed could be bumped off by a soosai. Saeed needs to make sure that Pakistan will burn if he is bumped off.