Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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What if pakis do what they do best, they ask China to start construction, once finished, they refuse to pay. What china can do in such scenario?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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^
China has substantial troops in Gilgit/Baltistan, they will not vacate and bring in more. Paki can then kiss goodbye to G/B.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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yes the TSP inability to pay will have been gamed into the outcome models by the chinese. they will extract their flesh one way or another.
perhaps a 100 yr lease on selected tracts of TSP territory will do.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Nitesh wrote:What if pakis do what they do best, they ask China to start construction, once finished, they refuse to pay. What china can do in such scenario?
Well, they could threaten to stop servicing the JF-17 fleet, for one. Or stop operating the new power plants and watch Pakistan's other industries tank. Or, stop servicing their trains. Or claim the raw cotton crop as collateral. Or claim some Pakistani territory as PRC territory, or some other such thing.

Don't forget, China is in the unique position of having Pakistan's testimonials in a vise grip, without the reverse scenario existing. Therefore, Chinese can squeeze all they want with no repercussions.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Agnimitra
Chinaman is more Gujju than a Gujju. ( Due apologies to Gujju friends here)
They know well Pakis can't pay for their own chaddi unless loaned by them. Chinaman will take his byaj no matter what. China will eat away Pakistan while they are alive.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Dipanker wrote: We missed the bus vis-a-vis China back in the late 70's and now are behind by upto 20 years. Unless we as a nation work twice as hard and develop twice as fast, China will leave us behind as a receding object in the rear view mirror.
China's rise was due in large part to China becoming world's manufacturing hub. However with rise in value of Renminbi and increased labor costs, India has a very good chance of bridging the gap. A lot depends on Make In India. Which makes enabler legislation such as GST and LAB (and more labor laws refinement) very very critical to both our economic and strategic security.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Altair wrote:Agnimitra
Chinaman is more Gujju than a Gujju. ( Due apologies to Gujju friends here)
They know well Pakis can't pay for their own chaddi unless loaned by them. Chinaman will take his byaj no matter what. China will eat away Pakistan while they are alive.
Yes, but Altair ji, what I'm asking is how this is being "allowed" by M&D, and if so how it is a good thing for India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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On how the cheenis work in extractive mode listen to Hajam between 9:00 to 10:10 mins
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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I find the use of pejorative use of the word Hajam while addressing Paki Sethi offensive to the segment of Indian population who are in this profession.

We can use another pejorative term while addressing Sethi and what could be more insulting than to call him just Paki Sethi or whatever, but would definitely refrain from calling him Hajam, Dalit, etc.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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While I agree with you Dipanker I also would like to point out that the term 'dalit' has never in my knowledge been used on pakees on this forum
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Dipanker are you referring to "hajaam" profession? I think for Sethi the word is "hajam" (हजम), as in "hazm".
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Agnimitra wrote:what I'm asking is how this is being "allowed" by M&D, and if so how it is a good thing for India.
We can do business with Chinaman without involving religion. It can be a transactional mode. We can give something they want in return for something we want. This is not possible with an Islamic Pakistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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^^ I see. So moving from an ideological to a security-driven dynamic. Also, better that Pak is swallowed by China than drawn into a Caliphate.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Devouring Bakistan will prove tough for anyone including India, especially given the population, poverty, gun culture and fandooism. Bakistan is no Xinjiang or Tibet that can be overwhelmed by another Han migration. Chinaman will not directly interfere because of the four factors stated before. If the Cheenaman was ever to take control how long before fatwas against the godless, pork eating kuffars?

The wonlee option is to control it via the BakMil and keep mango apduls on greener grass drip i.e more of the current formula but that has long-term consequence for all its neighbors including Cheena.

Breakup is possible but that should work to India's advantage and not Cheena's. The only sane option to pull back from the abyss is to make up with India and completely rid itself of fundooness what is the probability of that happening anytime soon.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Agnimitra wrote:^^ I see. So moving from an ideological to a security-driven dynamic. Also, better that Pak is swallowed by China than drawn into a Caliphate.
No, I disagree! Caliphate is simply a Kumbaya mirage! There will always be far more centrifugal forces than centripetal forces, so it is structurally a very unstable entity, and the centrifugal forces are strongest when there is more formal union.

Chinese takeover of Pakistan's polity means there would be complete coordination between the two - PRC and Pakistani Army regarding attacking India from two fronts. For all the investments of China in Pakistan, China would be doing even more to strengthen Pakistani Army there.

Anything that strengthens Pakistani Army is bad for India.

We Indians should stop being afraid of Islam, Sunnism, etc. All that is controllable, if we have the drive. Two prong attack however is far more deadly, and it would take a heavy toll on our policy-makers, who would find their options even more limited.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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ArmenT wrote:
ramana wrote:So M&D have allowed Bakasura to devour Pakasur!!!
What is M&D? Inquiring minds would like to know.
It is called EmanDI in Telugu, a way of addressing Modi garu and his dovish buddy.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Dipanker wrote:I find the use of pejorative use of the word Hajam while addressing Paki Sethi offensive to the segment of Indian population who are in this profession.

We can use another pejorative term while addressing Sethi and what could be more insulting than to call him just Paki Sethi or whatever, but would definitely refrain from calling him Hajam, Dalit, etc.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Well well well.. Who'd have thunk it!!!

Sabeen Muhmad Murder: Pawki pulis valiantly grope in the dark
Mahmud had told friends that officials of the military’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency visited her in 2013 to ask about her work and finances, the law enforcement official said.

She had recently asked friends if she should go ahead with the Balochistan talk, he added.
Fikar naat, TFTAs are ready to enter the investigation and promptly solve this case!
However, the army condemned Mahmud’s killing, and went as far as to say its intelligence agents would help in the investigation. (by hosing down the scene no doubt)
:shock:

Soon, it will be made known that Frau Sabeen misphortunately tried to stop some pullets peacefully flying about with her face.. :mrgreen:

Of course, mandatory finger pointing and loud farting in the general direction of India
The first law enforcement official said Mahmud’s killers might have taken advantage of the tension between the authorities and Mahmud over her Balochistan activism.

“Our hunch is that some third party exploited the standoff,” he said, suggesting India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Agnimitra wrote:^^ I see. So moving from an ideological to a security-driven dynamic. Also, better that Pak is swallowed by China than drawn into a Caliphate.
Not so sure. Caliphate is an obsolete model of organized aggression and can be tackled given some intelligence. Chinese are modern predators and pose a bigger challenge.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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If India wants to exploit internal fissures in Pawkistan, then it would keep Sabeen Mahmud alive so that she could create problems for ISI-TSPA today and also tomorrow and then the day-after. Why destroy goose that lays golden eggs inorder to spite TSPA for just a day.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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habal wrote:If India wants to exploit internal fissures in Pawkistan, then it would keep Sabeen Mahmud alive so that she could create problems for ISI-TSPA today and also tomorrow and then the day-after. Why destroy goose that lays golden eggs inorder to spite TSPA for just a day.
Yes, but they have caught the RAA agint Ramlal Krishnaprasad Shivanarain of bangalore, kerala. They are not revealing it to protect their methods and sources. This is why they are so sure of the third hand.

Oh, well, Ramlal was a good agint. I hope he escapes.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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How about yearly awards to famous Balochis in the name of Sabeen Mahmud?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Time for GOI to openly sing "moral and diplomatic support" for Balochi birathers and watch the pawkis collectively brown their shalwars..
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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When the PA was unhappy with the civilian governments of Pakistan, the PA would pressure the civilians to get what they wanted. The civilians would use the U.S. to put pressure on the PA to prevent them from doing a military coup. There was some back and forth between the PA, civilians and the U.S. to prevent things from boiling over.

With the U.S. and GCC influence in Pakistan being eclipsed by the Chinese, how will that impact the relations - power sharing between the PA and future Paki civilian governments?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Shreeman wrote:
habal wrote:If India wants to exploit internal fissures in Pawkistan, then it would keep Sabeen Mahmud alive so that she could create problems for ISI-TSPA today and also tomorrow and then the day-after. Why destroy goose that lays golden eggs inorder to spite TSPA for just a day.
Yes, but they have caught the RAA agint Ramlal Krishnaprasad Shivanarain of bangalore, kerala. They are not revealing it to protect their methods and sources. This is why they are so sure of the third hand.

Oh, well, Ramlal was a good agint. I hope he escapes.
Oh, I thought third hand was a frequent product of first cousin marriages.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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RajeshA and KLNM ji, point taken.
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Only lahori logic and Sialkot Statistics can be research topics

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/877206/inve ... rder-case/

Investigators draw blank in Sabeen Mahmud murder case

Desperate for clues, investigators are monitoring social media in hopes that loose talk could provide a lead, said another senior law enforcement official.
Coded threat to not complain too much in Social media as it is being monitored.
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Joseph wrote:When the PA was unhappy with the civilian governments of Pakistan, the PA would pressure the civilians to get what they wanted. The civilians would use the U.S. to put pressure on the PA to prevent them from doing a military coup. There was some back and forth between the PA, civilians and the U.S. to prevent things from boiling over.

With the U.S. and GCC influence in Pakistan being eclipsed by the Chinese, how will that impact the relations - power sharing between the PA and future Paki civilian governments?
Both PA and civvies will both be collectively reporting to their tallel boss and the civil-military power struggle will be brought under control.

Massa regime was that of a boss who didn't really want the job.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadis ... hyber.html

C'mon guys. Lets finish this battle once and forever. The khorasan these guys are describing is the indian subcontinent.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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muraliravi wrote:https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadis ... hyber.html

C'mon guys. Lets finish this battle once and forever. The khorasan these guys are describing is the indian subcontinent.
What battle? If you mean help the Pakistani army against the bad scary ISIS that is an American view of the world.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Jhujar wrote:Paki are s.. big time, They have given 18% guarantee to CHina and that too sovereign warranty in us $$.
[youtube]HOVysjU7P0I&sns=tw[/youtube]

A minimum return on investment denominated in USD and backed by a sovereign guarantee of 18% p.a. is an extortionate one.

Currently the indicative interest rate for a 30-Year Fixed-Rate Mortgage according to data in the US per the US Government’s “Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation” aka Freddie Mac, is 3.77% p.a. .

Higher than Himalaya’s, Deeper than Indian Ocean, Sweeter than Honey, Iron Brother the Peoples Republic of China is clawing back an extortionate rate of return:

30-Year Fixed-Rate Mortgages Since 1971
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Altair wrote:Agnimitra
Chinaman is more Gujju than a Gujju. ( Due apologies to Gujju friends here)
They know well Pakis can't pay for their own chaddi unless loaned by them. Chinaman will take his byaj no matter what. China will eat away Pakistan while they are alive.
Naah.. China cant do anything to Pakistan. China cant take away sh1t home just because Pakis dont pay for toilets.

China wants to dump $46b into Pakistan, they have a right to do so. Its a nuisance for Bharat for next 10-15 yrs. But once Bharat decides PoK will be taken away no matter the amount of Chinese investment in Pakistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Altair wrote:M&D have used the international political and security situation perfectly to screw Pakistan.
For far too many years Pakistan enjoyed its position to make deals with devil and survive. This time M&D instead of fighting the devil, have made sure the devil itself will devour the Pakis. This is not only genious, this is indegenious!!
Karma is a @#$%&
blus 72. I predict Divine Eagle droppings in Baki land as early as 2020 as a welcome package for isis!
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Repatriation of dollars crosses $1bn
However, the ratio of repatriation to FDI would change if the Chinese investment is materialised.
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Comment: Is this( Chini Investment ) not a done deal !!!
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Days after director's murder, T2f closes shop 'untill further notice'
Hours earlier, she had hosted a seminar on the troubled province of Balochistan, featuring Mama Qadeer, the chairperson of Voice for Missing Baloch. This was a similar session to the one that had been cancelled by the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) a few weeks ago.


Comment: Mission accomplished ; message sent by the "other government" !
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Defying royal request: China helped Pakistan ‘weather the storm’ over Yemen
But what really helped Pakistan ‘weather the storm’ was a Chinese assurance of economic investment and assistance to the tune no Arab country —let alone Saudi Arabia—could match, said one official.
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Comment: So the rumours of PRC pressure were true!!!! :rotfl:
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shiv wrote:
muraliravi wrote:https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadis ... hyber.html

C'mon guys. Lets finish this battle once and forever. The khorasan these guys are describing is the indian subcontinent.
What battle? If you mean help the Pakistani army against the bad scary ISIS that is an American view of the world.
No sir, I am saying ISIS will kill 1/2 the paki army and merge the rest when they will gear up for their final battle along the Indian border when our forces will make mincemeat out of them.
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The legal way to London

By Owen Bennett-Jones

As the recent arrest of Mohammed Anwar in relation to money laundering shows, there is little sign of the pressure on the MQM letting up. And money laundering is just one of the issues the party has to worry about. The Pakistani authorities are more interested in the question of whether Altaf Hussain is using his UK base to incite violence back home, and is asking the UK to hand over the MQM leader in relation to that issue.


Comment: Maybe Mush could use his "influence" to save his fellow Mojahir !
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Last time China helped pakistan deal with Lal Masjid, it was all downhill skiing for many years. hope that trend continues.
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