Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 May 2015 01:33

^^ Nepalis are not complaining.

But the media did take this one statement out of context. Everybody else is complaining.

CNN says US leads, Israel says they lead, China says they are doing thevmost, turkey wants half of a person dug out by Germans. UAE and Qatar types, heck even bakistan is gloating over 4 plane full of beef. Your guess is as good as mine as to why this is the case.

The UN is not far behind in the credit department. And everyone and his uncle has a donation appeal. The social media is down to poo-slinging as of yesterday.

Why might this be the case? This is a long fight, and India isnt stealing any of the aid money. No one has the people resources. China will encroach when the reconstruction starts. You cant prevent that. But Israel?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 01 May 2015 01:58

shreeman wrote: China will encroach when the reconstruction starts. You cant prevent that.

Worst part is India can benefit by competing in the reconstruction but it just won't happen. we are like that onlee, apparently.

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 01 May 2015 06:52

Already Nepali media is cursing the Indians...why did we ever help these treacherous ingrates is beyond me...

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 May 2015 07:38

Shreeman wrote:.................. CNN says US leads .....................

CNN however did have an article from 6 days ago whose headline seemed to suggest that India did lead the Nepal earthquake aid effort though the graphic accompanying the article seemed to suggest that India had provided no aid whatsoever

:

Nepal earthquake: India leads massive aid effort to help survivors

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 May 2015 08:54

^^^ 10 million tweets of the infographics, imported into everything from israeli newspapers to CNN TV. One article that no one except Indians will see.

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 01 May 2015 10:55

Best article of seen in accounting for total Indian supplies In Nepal. Modi and India winning minds I feel :

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/nep ... 88030.html

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 May 2015 11:20

^^ check Deejay's comments in the disaster thread. This is not a short battle. There will be times it will look like a lost cause.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 01 May 2015 11:24

Pakistani Embassy in Kathmandu refuses media reports that some food items sent by Pakistan as relief aid to Nepal contain cow meat.

They don't deny, they simply refuse to accept it.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 01 May 2015 14:12

Is there any RSS affiliated NGO that I can donate online to for Nepal's earthquake relief? Or RSS itself though I couldn't find anything on its website.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2015 14:29

https://twitter.com/sewabharati

sewa bharti (Go through their TL to get an idea of their work)
http://www.sewabharathi.com/

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 01 May 2015 15:23

Sewa International

SEWA INTERNATIONAL BHARAT (SIB)

Sewa International appeals to the benevolent to be generous to provide succor to the Nepal Earthquake affected. Your timely contribution will save many and provide relief to thousands.

Sewa International Bharat, hereby, requests and appeals one and all to help and support the victims of the unprecedented earthquake next to that of 1934. The degree of the earthquake i.e. 7.9 is demonic in terms of its impact on the region encompassing Nepal, Northern districts of Bihar (those of Champaran region), Mithilanchal (districts Dharbhanga, Madhubani etc,), the district of Patna and the Division of Munger, (south of Ganges), which fall under seismic zone V. Further causalities are also reported from various districts of West Bengal and Eastern Uttar Pradesh and Sikkim.By the time this appeal is issued, the numbers are rising and from more areas. It is believed that the casualties might cross 10000, an irreparable loss.

Sewa International has resolved to serve the earthquake affected in Nepal as well as Bharat and join hands with other selfless organizations for serving effectively and timely.

The volunteers team on ground has already joined rescue operation and relief like providing drinking water, food packets, clothes, temporary shelter, life-saving medicines, etc.

Appealing again to contribute generously.

Regards

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 May 2015 16:16

India leads,gets relief within a few hours and then after relief efforts get established,the vultures of the West gather and pontificate as if they did all the hard work! It is the job of the Indian embassies worldwide to get press reports accurately reporting the relief efforts.The head of the Indian team should be giving out interviews to the intl. press. India's propaganda minister should also be active in India with a meeting of the press highlighting India's efforts,etc.

This highlights the stark fact that India's propaganda machine is woefully outdated and needs a slick RT style "world service",like the BBC,Al Jazeera,etc.,in English.Doordarshan is incapable of meeting the challenge.This should be an independent service focusing on world affairs and the Indian viewpoint,with intelligent foreign reporters,from sophisticated anchors and a team of experts from various nations,not necessarily Indian.The service should be aimed at a global audience and not catering to just the nostalgic NRI crowd. Interspersed within the daily global news,esp. on weekends should be highlights from the Indian cultural scene and regional cultural highlights. Art,architecture,music,dance,food,spiritualism,etc.,celebrated,with an accent on educating firangs and drawing in tourists to India.

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 01 May 2015 18:07

Sagar G wrote:Sewa International

SEWA INTERNATIONAL BHARAT (SIB)

I believe they also have a US based 501c3 (non-profit where contributions are tax deductible in US)
SEWA International USA

Please correct me in case I am wrong.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 May 2015 21:02

Now the Indian people and volunteers effort

RSS does not believe in publicity and media coverage, its work is visible and speaks volumes for itself.

https://www.facebook.com/chinmay.karlek ... 200699591/

Gaurav Sawant gave a right introduction - "a silent force that is working to rebuild Nepal"

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 01 May 2015 22:16

Uttam Sengupta from outlook....

Goodwill Hunting In Kathmandu
India makes big of its help to Nepal, but how real is its effort? Doubts emerge - Uttam Sengupta

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 01 May 2015 22:59

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=857

STEALING CREDIT FROM OTHERS GOOD WORKS
MAY 1, 2015 LEAVE A COMMENT EDIT
During the Nepal Earthquakes and its aftermath, the Indian Govt, the Indian Armed Forces rushed to help.. Other neighbors including China, Pakistan and other countries have jumped in to help. There is a massive rescue operation that is currently going on in Nepal.

But what I have started noticing is the PR campaign by christian evangelicals organizations starting their spin…

TYPICAL PARASITES!

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 01 May 2015 23:07

Did not know where to put this link, but wanted to capture it

Indian armed forces play saviour across the world, put duty before self in rescuing thousands

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 00:22

There are unwritten, unpublicized rule, continuation of chinese encroachment, and a more than succesfull evangelical attack. Bakistan types are a joke right now. But the others have dug their heels in.

A detailed map of all over, including where India is not permitted to go to help is needed for nepal.

And this nepal govt is not out and out maoist. The mao-mao will start mouthing/protesting in the south/south west any minute. Note the lack of mao-mao news or information re north or north east when their roads are open too. The token red visitors to KTM are a side show. The others are probably streaming in unwatched up north and you cant even go look over them from ground or air.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 02 May 2015 00:27

So all the whining from the Nepal govt officials regarding 'sensitive border areas' being a no-go for relief operations by the Indian Army is official confirmation that map of Nepal is altered on the ground with significant Chinese presence.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 02 May 2015 01:12

India may as well give up, given the manner in which it is responding to china, both on the ground and policywise (as in supporting one-china policy while china parks itself in PoK and AP and anywhere else it pleases).

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 04:36

The mao-mao areas are almost proper tibet, from the look of it. No news whatsover. This is like CoK, now chinese territory and no one dare speak about it. Their casualties or damage wont come out properly either.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 06:10

How is Nepal divided -- "communist east and north-east" and "democratic west and south west"? Where is the boundary of the no-go line? Who is going there for relief and who is not allowed in? Who is policing this at this dire time?

edit - why haven't we heard of this before? Why is this not neuj?

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 02 May 2015 06:12

This might also be the reason for the crackdown on Tibetans in Nepal. Chinese moved into Nepal proper and has the Nepali government by their gonads. The squealing is all due to this. If GoI has the balls then they should deliver aid in all areas of Nepal and challenge the position of both Nepali government and the Chinese. Time to call their bluff on national security interests alone. Should be done before the upcoming yatra to Peking.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 02 May 2015 06:18

Why no news before ? Maybe everyone knows like the CoK and Aksai chin case, but everybody pretends to not know anything.

The other pointer is Chinese interests to tunnel under Mt Everest to Nepal. Maybe all those areas are under their control already, except the south summit of Mt Everest which mountaineers access.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 06:25

The chinese practically own Nepal. Including Gorkha.

separate assessment:

Its a wonder India was even able to land. I wonder also, how many chinese "workers" died in various caves and ravines that no one will ever know about.

edit - this pretense and coverup business -- whether in Kashmir, AP, sikkim, HP, uttarakhan or Nepal has to end. There is no active war with china. The border situation has to be public. Or will it take an earthquake for things to make themselves visible?

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 02 May 2015 06:34

I guess the area marked "not affected" in white color can be interpreted as already under Chinese control in the previous map.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 02 May 2015 09:14

Human trafficking becomes an issue...

Cops asked to contain human trafficking of quake victims

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 02 May 2015 13:19

In the context of Nepal, human trafficking is always an issue. Quake has only amplified it and perhaps made easier to find humans in distress to be trafficked. Indian police , esp in border states, needs to be doubly vigilant and alert to check on this.....

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 May 2015 13:33

This picture of an Indian Army Aviation ALH Dhruv parked on a narrow terraced field up the side of a mountain in Pokhara shows the difficult terrain conditions that our Military has had to face in delivering aid in Nepal:

From here:

Twitter

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 02 May 2015 14:02

The Nepal government is playing poor politics at a time of crisis. The speed with which India and Indian organizations have moved is impressive. The fraternity of its people with the people of Nepal is easily recognized. India must be given unhindered access to Nepal's civil society with which it has deep cultural ties going back 1000s of years.

Delays that let agreements with other countries (e.g. US) be put in place for issues India already has or readily solves (evacuation of US citizens), restricting access (e.g. to "northern areas") implying Nepal is ceding sovereignty to china, among other shocking realities coming to the surface, suggests clearly that Nepal's governance has crumbled and the nation is "up for grabs." India cannot allow that to happen to Nepalese civil society even if Nepal govt.'s only strategy is to play slut to every superpower looking for a Kodak moment, or worse.

I request all the support be provided to #NSA who thankfully is now on the ground. I hope he can work to ensure correct consideration by Nepal govt. of every assistance offered by India expeditiously, without procrastination or pretense. US ATC is not acceptable. I think GoI must work directly to the benefit of Nepal's people who are tired of their govt's inaction and apparent strategic pusillanimity.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 02 May 2015 14:26

I am so grateful that Modi-ji and Doval-ji are at help of our strategic affairs. The signs are bad all around but this is the best team we could have asked for.

The natural, instantaneous and massive response of GoI and Indian public to the Nepal tragedy and the efficiency with which our relief efforts have been co-ordinated in both Yemen and Nepal have made the world sit up and take notice. This will also be noticed by SAARC countries that while China may be bigger economically, in terms of geographic proximity to regions where power is centered, and in terms of people to people contacts, India far surpasses China. Any SAARC country (Except Pukistan) would need to rely much more heavily on Indian help than that of any other country if they are stuck with a crippling disaster or other such emergencies.

Would love to see news like the below one (PLA facing flak over Swift evacuation by Indian military) in International media:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 111601.cms

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 14:50

^^^ The neuj is not serious. The PLA is facing no flak.

Knowledge is the saviour. People, regardless of who you put your faith in, will always come short.

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 02 May 2015 15:03

Indian Air Force doctors attend to the injured at a Kathmandu Medical Camp

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 02 May 2015 15:05

Indian army’s ALH Dhruv & MI-17 helicopters during relief operations in Gorkha, Nepal

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 May 2015 16:24

Awesome place for a cricket ground

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 May 2015 16:52

Shreeman wrote:^^ Nepalis are not complaining.

But the media did take this one statement out of context. Everybody else is complaining.

CNN says US leads, Israel says they lead, China says they are doing thevmost, turkey wants half of a person dug out by Germans. UAE and Qatar types, heck even bakistan is gloating over 4 plane full of beef. Your guess is as good as mine as to why this is the case.

The UN is not far behind in the credit department. And everyone and his uncle has a donation appeal. The social media is down to poo-slinging as of yesterday.

Why might this be the case? This is a long fight, and India isnt stealing any of the aid money. No one has the people resources. China will encroach when the reconstruction starts. You cant prevent that. But Israel?

I worked with a lot of israelis.

goa and nepal are very important for them. Youngsters, mostly after their compulsory military service and tough life for some years come to goa and nepal to cool off and relax. In goa, I know for sure that there are many israeli only hotels that accommodate no one else but the israelis. They have very high security, kosher israeli food and necessities and all staff speak hebrew. It is a similar situation in nepal as similar arrangements exist there. That's how the govt of israel knew right down to the last number how many of their citizens were in nepal and their precise whereabouts. Out of 2000 israelis in nepal, only one was missing as of a few days ago. they may even have been found by now.

That's also why the israeli army was there so quickly in Nepal because most of the israelis in nepal are ex army soldiers who are still just fairly young kids.

These kids take a break for a few years before they again get back to the daily grind of life.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2015 17:05

chetak wrote:
Shreeman wrote:^^ Nepalis are not complaining.

But the media did take this one statement out of context. Everybody else is complaining.

CNN says US leads, Israel says they lead, China says they are doing thevmost, turkey wants half of a person dug out by Germans. UAE and Qatar types, heck even bakistan is gloating over 4 plane full of beef. Your guess is as good as mine as to why this is the case.

The UN is not far behind in the credit department. And everyone and his uncle has a donation appeal. The social media is down to poo-slinging as of yesterday.

Why might this be the case? This is a long fight, and India isnt stealing any of the aid money. No one has the people resources. China will encroach when the reconstruction starts. You cant prevent that. But Israel?
I worked with a lot of israelis.

goa and nepal are very important for them. Youngsters, mostly after their compulsory military service and tough life for some years come to goa and nepal to cool off and relax. In goa, I know for sure that there are many israeli only hotels that accommodate no one else but the israelis. They have very high security, kosher israeli food and necessities and all staff speak hebrew. It is a similar situation in nepal as similar arrangements exist there. That's how the govt of israel knew right down to the last number how many of their citizens were in nepal and their precise whereabouts. Out of 2000 israelis in nepal, only one was missing as of a few days ago. they may even have been found by now.

That's also why the israeli army was there so quickly in Nepal because most of the israelis in nepal are ex army soldiers.

These kids take a break for a few years before they again get back to the daily grind of life.

chetak,

As you noted, in a country with conscription/draft everybody is a soldier or ex-soldier. Thats not it.

Then there is the whole surrogate thing. Thats not it, either.

These things do not sufficiently explain israeli involvement or urge to proclaim world leadership annoying india. And this is meant as a complaint to Mr Shimon Adler, among others, who have left a void here, in not being able to provide a native perspective on what drives the urge to claim a leadership role. So shimon, if you still read and are being quiet, and get to this thread by chance -- its been a long time. Make up a new identity and lets be having some input again.

And in contradiction, now, for me to try to wean myself of the brf addiction for a while.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 02 May 2015 19:02

Even Indian publications are raising questions about India's assistance to Nepal,

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/goo ... ndu/294222

India would expect to have earned goodwill and trust with its massive relief and rescue efforts. Only the future will tell if an overzealous bureaucracy has made it counterproductive.

If the Indian govt. sat this out, the same guy Uttam Sengupta that wrote this article will be writing about how Indian bureaucracy/govt. dropped the ball and did not assist Nepal to the fullest extent.

This is less about goodwill and trust of the Nepalis, which is clearly of little value, when the media and the govt. and everyone else that is pro-maoist has nothing good to write about India or its influence, mostly on cue from competing powers (china) that have quitely increased their profile and influence in Nepal in the past few years. As this guy writes:

Royalists, democrats and Maoists in Nepal have all harboured and even nurtured suspicion about India’s ‘designs’ for a long while. The fractured polity was responsible for Prime Minister Modi’s proposed visit to Janakpur last year being cancelled. The fear of ‘Sikkimisation’ of Nepal by India, real or not, makes Indo-Nepalese relations delicate at the best of times despite religious and cultural bonds. Curiously, China suffers from no such baggage.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 02 May 2015 20:24

Tuvaluan saar, agreed. This goodwill stuff is nonsense at the end of the day. Whose goodwill are we talking about? Will it be evenly felt across the affected country? Can the media find someone who does not have goodwill and report that as a 'lack thereof..' problem? Absolutely. All it takes is one person complaining the tea made from solar stove given by <insert source> is not good enough because he didn't have sugar, and the lack of goodwill story will become factually true. Media will complain either way, the sad part is its our own media, not the BBC types.

Anyway, if Nepal has a problem with aid, they can publicly tell us to leave, and we will. Till then, no point worrying about what Nepal supposedly thinks and focus on getting things back on track.

Oh, the alternative to India is China, and seeing the problems Nepal has had resisting the Maoist nonsense shows it is not a walkover for the Chinese either. Plus those Gorkhas in the IA (current and retiring) will have something to say about the Chinese as well.

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 May 2015 08:17

arun wrote:
arun wrote:I guess the twits in Nepal’s Annapurna Post who are the quoted source for the article in Telegraph Nepal, expect Indian Aircraft to fly back empty to India after delivering disaster relief cargo to Nepal .

Meanwhile report of “The Nepali officials are not at all happy with the Indian relief activities” as “Indian media” has “been portraying Nepal negatively and been projecting Nepal as being inefficient to carryout relief works on its own” is to say the least ungracious of Nepal’s bureaucracy :

Nepal: India disaster politics exposed!

In another report in the same Nepal Telegraph quoting the same Annapurna post, the Peoples Republic of China is reportedly upset with India’s aid effort in Nepal:

Disaster Politics: China asks Nepal to limit Indian activities
India, Nepal spar over IAF aid sorties as Kathmandu airport clogs up.

Hindustan Times :

“There are two major problems. The IAF doesn’t share its sortie schedule with the Nepalese army and takes hell of a time on the ground in an already congested airport,” Brigadier General PS Bogati, a Nepalese one-star officer who is the deputy chief of the airport coordinating centre here, told HT on Tuesday.

Telegraph Nepal quoting Annapurana Post reports P.R. China’s Nepali ideological partners in Communist political parties like Unified Maoists, Nepal Communist Party-Maoist and Nepal Majdoor Kisan Party, bad mouth India’s prompt and whole hearted earth-quake aid:

India ignoring national sovereignty: Nepal leaders

More from Telegraph Nepal this time quoting Kantipur Daily. Here India must make it known that India is concerned about the well-being of ALL Nepali’s without parochial geographic bias and that means that even Nepali’s living in the Northern part of Nepal are entitled to Indian aid. Attempts by self-serving interests to reserve aid for Kathmandu based folk by bottling it up there based on specious arguments of keeping the Peoples Republic of China happy, is to be resisted:

Nepal Army exhausted by India Army Relief Team