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Couldnt find the new J&K dhaaga since old is locked so posting here.

Large scale cleanup of OWGs and terrorist sympathizers in J&K seems to be ongoing:

Sopore: Ex-militant shot dead; fourth killing in last 7 days
According to police, Aijaz Ahmad Reshi, a former militant, was shot dead by unidentified gunmen outside his residence in the Mundji locality of Sopore town.

No militant outfit has so far claimed responsibility for the attack.
This is fourth targeted killing in the past seven days.

Suspected gunmen of a Hizbul Mujahideen faction had yesterday killed a shopkeeper Sopore.

Mehraj-ud-din Bhat, who ran a poultry shop, was shot dead just outside his shop-cum-residence at Badamibagh, officials said.

Earlier, on Friday night, suspected ultras shot dead another shopkeeper while a government employee, who was an activist of Tehreek-e-Hurriyat, was killed on Tuesday.
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The J&K thread is locked, so posting here.
Kashmir killings raise fears of new bloodletting
http://www.trust.org/item/2015061714003 ... source=gep
SOPORE, India/MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan June 17 (Reuters) - After years of sharply reduced political violence in Indian-controlled Kashmir, the gunning down of four men with links to militants has fanned fears of a new wave of bloodletting.

No group has claimed responsibility for the killings, but the police blame a breakaway faction of Hizbul Mujahideen, the largest group in the region, which has been fighting for Kashmir's merger with neighbouring Pakistan.

"They have serious differences with ... other militant leadership over several issues," said Garib Dass, the chief of the police for northern Kashmir. "They feel that these people have damaged the movement and are targeting them."

The killings have raised fears militants are regrouping and this could be the start of a new period of unrest in Kashmir that has been the main flashpoint between nuclear-armed neighbours India and Pakistan.

The bloodshed comes after five telecom workers and vendors were shot by militants last month after claims cell phone towers were being used to target their members.

The murders have centred on the northern Kashmiri town of Sopore, about 30 miles (50 km) from the border, that has long endured militancy, violence and a heavy military presence.

In the last few days, India has deployed an additional 600 soldiers and police specialising in counterinsurgency operations to the area, police said.

Soldiers are conducting searches for suspected militants and have put up posters offering a million rupees ($15,600) for information that can lead to the arrest of two militant commanders who are said to have plotted the attacks.

Syed Salahuddin, supreme commander of Hizbul Mujahideen, denied any members of his group were behind the murders. He said that Sopore was a stronghold of Hizbul Mujahideen but that the area has a sizeable presence of renegades, a term for former militants who switched loyalties to India.

Salahuddin said they are close to identifying the renegades.

Ajai Sahni, the executive director of the New Delhi-based Institute of Conflict Management, said that a new generation of militants could be emerging who are trying to join militant groups or win backing from Pakistan by staging the killings.

"These youngsters are likely self-radicalised over the Internet and do not have necessary linkages to established terrorist formations for recruitment, and therefore seek to give positive proof of their commitment," he said.
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Please continue here.

Last page of previous thread.....
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... start=3960
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Found this interesting piece on the Pakistani Flag manufacturing in J&K:

http://qz.com/431012/meet-the-young-men ... s-kashmir/

A small exerpt:
Although this has apparently been a feature of pro-freedom rallies in Kashmir for decades, the new government is having none of it. Alam, for instance, was arrested in April for “seditious activities” after he allegedly waved a Pakistani flag. And a wider crackdown may be underway.
“It’s not so difficult to make a Pakistani flag at home,” says Para, “and police is on a hunt to track down people who are behind all this.”
That possibly includes the likes of 23-year-old Tanveer from Nowhatta, a congested neighbourhood in the heart of Srinagar city. Nowhatta has been an epicentre of resistance in Kashmir since the emergence of an armed rebellion that began in the late 80s.
On a cold rainy afternoon, Tanveer takes out his mobile phone and pulls up photographs from a protest rally, where Pakistani flags were raised. It took place outside the Grand Mosque in Nowhatta last month.
“You see that guy with a face mask. Yes, the black mask,” he says, zooming into the image of a young man holding a Pakistani flag. “That’s me.”
“You see that flag in my hand?” he asks. “I made it.”
Tanveer apparently made the flag a day before the protest rally. He also ordered five more from an artist who he knows personally. The flags were eventually distributed among his friends and raised at that rally.
“It takes time to make a flag,” he explains. “So, I place an order with a trusted guy and next day, the flags are ready. It only costs (between) Rs50 and Rs80 per flag.”
The artist who makes these flags, according to Tanveer, doesn’t quite know who places the orders.
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^ the mawalis in the valley are inbred who marry their cousins and produce these mentally challenged specimens who eat free indian rations but wave enemy flags.

the proper way to deal with them is to deport them to the LOC and kick them to the other side.

when the mirpuris over there reveal their true color and rob even the clothes of these mawali's only then these inbreds will understand the easy life they are living in india.
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The more we give importance to raising Pakistani flags the more it will be done. At least no propaganda actions should be taken. Police knows who is making them and who is raising it, just get them wrapped up later. And let them raise the flag, those flags should be calmly brought down and then dog shit should be cleaned and thrown in the trash can. Let them get the same kind of answer that it deserves, instead of making a media issue.
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Pro-militant graffiti, gatherings return to Kashmir valley
Pro-militant slogans have reappeared on walls in the Kashmir valley and small religious gatherings exhorting people to join militancy are taking place with greater frequency.

From Sopore in north Kashmir to Anantnag in south, there have been several incidents that have left the police demoralized.

Sopore, the 'apple town' of the valley, recently convulsed repeatedly in the aftermath of killing of six civilians, including some former militants, suspectedly by a breakaway group of Hizbul Mujahideen, with four falling to terrorists' bullets in seven days.

Despite the killings pointing a bloodied finger at Qayum Najjar alias 'Nazarwala', the police are yet to apprehend him as he goes about unleashing violence in Sopore with impunity.

The Narbal incident on the outskirts of Srinagar in which an Assistant Sub-Inspector and a constable were jailed for firing at a stone-pelting crowd that attacked a police team has left the law enforcement machinery dismayed. The police officials claimed there was no magisterial enquiry conducted before slapping murder charges against the personnel.


...after these killings, many have fled to safer places and others may have switched sides. These sources used to be paid handsomely for the operations carried out earlier but now due to some of the policies of the state government, these sources find it hard to earn their livelihood and find it easy to return to militant ranks," said a senior police official on the condition of anonymity....

...fear is palpable with fresh diktats emerging on the streets quite frequently with a hand-written poster claiming to be from Jammu and Kashmir Tehrek-e-Taliban in Sopore directing people not to watch TV, consume liquor or allow movement of women without veil. The diktats bear a striking similarity with diktat imposed by the Taliban in Afghanistan and ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
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I hope GoI uses current developments in Kashmir valley to national advantage. Anti-India forces are trying to taunt/provoke BJP. A thappad must be given from an unexpected angle.

Otherwise a wrong narrative can reach public where they think that INC pushes these separatist-identities underground (a mistaken show of strength) while they come out in public under BJP rule (a mistake show of weakness).
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Terrorists eliminating terrorists in Kashmir valley. Hmmm...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 61779.aspx
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Heartwarming to see the paki scum in Sopore meet their bitter end at the hands of their own jihadi crowd -- and even now they desperately want to blame India for the actions of their own terrorist kind. Posters were put up by unnamed terrorists and then people who were pro-independence were killed by unnamed terrorists -- the paki jihadis in Srinagar can't just point fingers at India when Pakishitstan has a vested interest in killing off the pro-independence movement in J&K.
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Tuvaluan wrote:Heartwarming to see the paki scum in Sopore meet their bitter end at the hands of their own jihadi crowd -- and even now they desperately want to blame India for the actions of their own terrorist kind. Posters were put up by unnamed terrorists and then people who were pro-independence were killed by unnamed terrorists -- the paki jihadis in Srinagar can't just point fingers at India when Pakishitstan has a vested interest in killing off the pro-independence movement in J&K.

The guy who was killed is former terrorist who turned peaceful and sold chicken. Most likely its a TSP run terrorist who killed him.
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^^ If blogs like the Kashsoldier one etc are to be believed, all these "turned peaceful and now a trader" etc were just a ruse for being a OWG for the faithfool. So things might not be in black and white here! Certainly, lots of activity happening in the valley!
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The problem with the earlier ikhwan movement that the paki slaves in J&K exploited was the lack of deniability. This kind of attacks orchestrated by pakistan in India can work against their own jihadi slaves working in J&K in the short term. The paranoid mindset of the Jamaat scum in Sopore is just a start.
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Swachh Bharat: 96 percent of Jammu-Kashmir's share unspent
This is despite J&K sanitation being one of the worst in India, with more than 54% households without toilets

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 119_1.html
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Rs 500 cr deducted from J&K flood fund
Even as senior ministers in the Jammu and Kashmir government are hopeful that Centre will release a huge package for the flood victims in the coming weeks, the Union government has already deducted Rs 500 crore from the recently announced package of 1,667 crore to settle the bill of Defence Ministry.

Recently, the Modi government had announced release of Rs 1,667 crore for the flood-hit state.

Meanwhile, the Defence Ministry had submitted a bill of Rs 500 crore for relief and rescue operations undertaken by the Army and Air Force during last September’s flood in the state.

The Centre has now diverted Rs 500 crore from the State Disaster Response Fund to the Defence Ministry.

Last September, the Army and Air Force carried out relief operations named Operation Megh Rahat after many parts of Valley got flooded.

During the operation, the IAF air dropped food and relief items. Large number of stranded tourists were also airlifted from Srinagar free of cost.

Speaking to The Indian Express , J&K Education Minister Naem Akthar said that he was not aware whether any money has been diverted from the State Disaster Response Fund to the Army.

Minister of State for Power in the J&K government, Mohammad Ashraf Mir, however, termed it as an “unfortunate development”.

“They have been claiming that Army is helping people in the flood. It is very unfortunate that Army has now charged money for rescuing people who were in need of help,” Mir said.

“Will the Centre also charge bill to Nepal government for rescuing the civilians during earthquake?” he asked
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chaanakya wrote:Rs 500 cr deducted from J&K flood fund
Even as senior ministers in the Jammu and Kashmir government are hopeful that Centre will release a huge package for the flood victims in the coming weeks, the Union government has already deducted Rs 500 crore from the recently announced package of 1,667 crore to settle the bill of Defence Ministry.

Recently, the Modi government had announced release of Rs 1,667 crore for the flood-hit state.

Meanwhile, the Defence Ministry had submitted a bill of Rs 500 crore for relief and rescue operations undertaken by the Army and Air Force during last September’s flood in the state.

The Centre has now diverted Rs 500 crore from the State Disaster Response Fund to the Defence Ministry.

Last September, the Army and Air Force carried out relief operations named Operation Megh Rahat after many parts of Valley got flooded.

During the operation, the IAF air dropped food and relief items. Large number of stranded tourists were also airlifted from Srinagar free of cost.

Speaking to The Indian Express , J&K Education Minister Naem Akthar said that he was not aware whether any money has been diverted from the State Disaster Response Fund to the Army.

Minister of State for Power in the J&K government, Mohammad Ashraf Mir, however, termed it as an “unfortunate development”.

“They have been claiming that Army is helping people in the flood. It is very unfortunate that Army has now charged money for rescuing people who were in need of help,” Mir said.

“Will the Centre also charge bill to Nepal government for rescuing the civilians during earthquake?” he asked
This is a normal practice onlee.

People of Nepal, in comparison, have more regard and respect for GOI and Indians than the ungrateful kashmiris do.
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This story would bust some myths:

India wanted to raid IC-814 in Dubai, Farooq opposed swap: ex-RAW chief Dulat

Very interesting details
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Kakkaji wrote:This story would bust some myths:

India wanted to raid IC-814 in Dubai, Farooq opposed swap: ex-RAW chief DulatVery interesting details
Adullah was right while Mithaiwala believed in delivering Mithai despite opposition to the idea.
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Jhujar wrote:Adullah was right while Mithaiwala believed in delivering Mithai despite opposition to the idea.
I don't think Jaswant Singh had a choice in the matter. He did what he was ordered to do.

What were those at the top - Vajpayee, Advani, and Brajesh Mishra doing?

Brajesh Mishra was the National Security Advisor as well as the Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister. He could have ordered that the plane's tires be shot out at Amritsar airport so it could not leave India. Why didn't he?
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http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/11-jk-terrorists-upload-photos-on-facebook-as-amarnath-yatra-gets-underway-1014867.html
Those in the photograph include ex-constable of Jammu and Kashmir Police Naseer, who ran away with two AK-47 rifles while on guard duty with Altaf Bukhari, a Minister in the Mufti Sayeed-headed PDP-BJP government, and Burhan Wani, a resident of Tral, who has emerged as the young face of Hizbul Mujahideen in the Valley.

The location where the picture was shot seemed to be somewhere in orchards of Shopian or Pulwama in South Kashmir, which has become a fertile ground for recruitment of youths into various terrorist outfits.

Innumerable images of Burhan and posts extolling him were uploaded on social networking sites like Facebook which the security agencies have got removed but that has not erased his popularity.

Young terrorist leaders like Burhan, with an appeal among the youth of the region, are helping swell the militant ranks, a development security agencies feel, carry grim portents for the Valley.
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^^ Should be their last selfie together before they meet their 72 very soon, i guess
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"Army should carry out Myanmar-type action in PoK: J&K BJP MLA"
http://www.oneindia.com/india/army-shou ... 97078.html
A BJP MLA in Jammu and Kashmir today demanded that the Centre adopt a "proactive policy" and allow the army to carry out a Myanmar-type operation against the terrorist training camps across the LoC. "In the recent days, there have been inputs by the Army Intelligence, RAW and other intelligence agencies that the militants, who earlier were being trained by the ISI and the Pakistani Army, are now being trained by members of terror outfits like the Islamic State," Ravinder Raina, the BJP MLA from Sunderbani, told PTI.
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Avinash R wrote:^ the mawalis in the valley are inbred who marry their cousins and produce these mentally challenged specimens who eat free indian rations but wave enemy flags.

the proper way to deal with them is to deport them to the LOC and kick them to the other side.

when the mirpuris over there reveal their true color and rob even the clothes of these mawali's only then these inbreds will understand the easy life they are living in india.
I dont know what the big deal about waving Paki flag is: Some people are like kids. The more you care about it and get flustered the more they want to repeat it. If nobody cared, they'd stop making and waving Paki flags.

Think about it this way: Pakistan going down pakistan is probably among the top reasons why nobody in his/her right mind in JK would want to join Pakistan. Why would you join Pakistan? To get 10 hour power cuts, army taking over your lands and taliban killing your sons & daughters, Osama taking up residence and Chinese taking over jobs? People should stop hyperventilating if a few JK youth want to let out steam and do their version of teenage rebellion by waving a few Paki flags. We dont need police and army to take care of it, we should send a pot bellied babu to yawn and then spit paan on the flag. Then take down the names of people who waved the flag and tell them that next time they want a ration card, the waiting time will be 8 months. Everyone will then quieten down and go home.
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Anujanji, you are arguing like a rational person. KV is like MIM ghetto, just a bit more armed. All the reasons like 10 hours power cut is explained as devious schemes. Flag waving by the separatist leaders is a show of defiance to Indian states, not rebellious attitude of high school kids. The flag waving is seen as show of force and used to gather momentum for recruiting teens, for all the wrong activities.
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Kakkaji wrote:This story would bust some myths:

India wanted to raid IC-814 in Dubai, Farooq opposed swap: ex-RAW chief Dulat

Very interesting details
I think India actually managed to come best out of it. It was the time India was in the Russian camp and US was close to Pakistan. TSP had F-16s and modern weapons. India managed to gain sympathy, saved the lives and showed the world it was subject the the will of the people.
The lives were saved, as was the Plane . TSP was stuck with terrorists.

I do not think it made any difference on the ground. As all TSP leaders before him, Mushy came with new energy to find creative solutions to win Kashmir back.
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http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 903699.ece

Army Fine Tunes Its Anti-militancy and Anti-infiltration Grid in Kashmir
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it appears the lure of joining cross border groups is as strong as ever
A teenager from south Kashmir’s Tral sub-district, whose meritorious academic performance and studious attitude earned him the sobriquet of ‘Newton’, has joined a growing brigade of new-generation militants in the region, his family and police sources have said.
Ishaq Ahmad, 19, joined the militant ranks in March this year after leaving his home on a snowy day on the pretext of submitting a form in a college, his father Mohammad Ibrahim said.
The teenager is believed to have joined a local unit of militants, all of whom are residents of Tral sub-district.
Ishaq’s commander, according to police sources, is Burhan Muzaffar Wani, son of a school principal and a young man who has emerged as the poster boy of Kashmir’s new militancy.
The Tral sub-district — located close to the Srinagar-Jammu highway in south Kashmir with mountainous forests, streams and sleepy villages — has emerged as the stronghold of militants in the recent years with a steady flow of recruits like Ishaq.
Before becoming a militant, Ishaq was a meritorious student at school, where he was a position holder. Ishaq had scored 98.4 per cent in class X results announced in December 2011. He had secured the ninth position in the Kashmir zone. It was one of the best performances by a student in Tral sub-district, where two girls topped the class X results this year. Ibrahim said he had desired to see his son become a religious scholar and described him as a studious boy, a strict observer of prayers and a thorough reader. “If you see his room, it is filled with books,” Ibrahim told The Tribune in an interview at Tral’s Laribal village.
Ishaq was preparing for the Common Entrance Test, Ibrahim said, which would have made him eligible to enter a medical college. “I wanted him to become a scholar of Islam. When he was born I had made the niyat (intention) of making him an ‘alim’ (scholar),” Ibrahim said.
Fewer militants in recent years, who security forces say are more determined in conviction than their predecessor generations, have opted to surrender when their hideouts were surrounded.
Inspector General of Police for the Kashmir zone SJM Gillani said 100 youths had joined the militants in the past 18 months. “This number is 35 this year and a bulk of them are from south Kashmir. Last year, 65 had joined the militants out of which 30-odd were neutralised,” Gillani said.
The police said nearly 150 militants — most of them locals — were active in the region with 80 of them active in districts in south Kashmir.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 02697.html
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This report from BeeB reports that terrorists at least in PoK are losing their zeal to fight knowing TSP will abandon them to their fate. Furthermore, TSP is using pigLeTs to create chaos in the valley

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33359800
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Ibrahim said he had desired to see his son become a religious scholar and described him as a studious boy, a strict observer of prayers and a thorough reader. “If you see his room, it is filled with books,” Ibrahim told The Tribune in an interview at Tral’s Laribal village.
Ishaq was preparing for the Common Entrance Test, Ibrahim said, which would have made him eligible to enter a medical college. “I wanted him to become a scholar of Islam. When he was born I had made the niyat (intention) of making him an ‘alim’ (scholar),” Ibrahim said.
The ahole father seems to have a large hand in the son joining the militant group -- of all things, this fool wanted his son to waste his intelligence in becoming a religious scholar. That just makes him a ripe target for islamic jihadi terror groups. Better his son join a terror group rather than become a sleeper in the system to be exploited later.
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a brief history on the events on July 13, 1931 which is commemorated as Martys day in J&K and is a public holiday. The aspect of how a person employed as a cook made a speech which was inflammatory and eclipsed the emerging political leaders. The riots thereafter reduced KPs in some areas to penury
Attempting to put in perspective, the crux of all that for which July 13 is “remembered” in Kashmir valley and Jammu and Ladakh are “enjoined” to follow suit, albeit a public holiday, where not only the younger generation but even the elders in most of the cases, do not know what for a state holiday is observed on July 13 all these 67 years, an apt piece on History is worth quoting:- “History fades into fable; fact becomes clouded with doubt and controversy; the inscription molders from the tablet; the statue falls from the pedestal; columns, arches, pyramids, what are they but heaps of sand; and their epitaphs, but characters written in the dust…………” Why events and incidents should not be recorded in truer form instead of projected in a manner that amounts to doing injustice with the very purpose of writing history? If things are judged and written subsequently, applying the yard sticks of what suits the prospective broader political manipulations and evaluating incidents under a particular political climate prevailing then, not only across the country but in most of the other countries as well, by employing political phraseology of democracy, liberty, freedom of expression and the like which then were concepts considered taboos, it is tantamount to deception. In other words, all the states of India during the period under reference were either under the British rule direct or under the rule of Rajes and Maharajes and other similar authorities. When in other states of the country, the concepts of independence and democratic rule were merely theories, to be precise, how come can the incident of July 13, 1931 be termed as a struggle for independence? That is a non reality and craftily tried to put forth or rather thrust on the people especially those who were either the sufferers or the victims of the incident.
To put records of events in proper limelight, around 1930, due to the innovative policies of the Maharaja especially on spreading education, people of all communities benefitted which included many young Muslims from the valley who had opportunities to pursue education in places outside the state as well like other fellow citizens and when some of them returned to Kashmir, political activities started getting inspired mainly at the hands of some activists from the two sectarian Parties known as Majlis-i-Ahrar and the Ahmadia Party operating from and confined to Punjab and some parts of the United Provinces. It was a group of nationalist Islamists, who prima facie wanted to push the local majority community against the Maharaja. While political activities with intent to advocate dissatisfaction and dissent were generally not allowed, protests and agitations likewise, a novel idea of starting such activities were undertaken, in apparent limits, under the aegis of “Reading Room Party” where political points were discussed . Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah emerged as a leading protagonist of the Reading Room and one who emerged to determine the direction and the planning of politics in Kashmir for the next more than 50 years.
Sheikh Sahib had studied at the Islamia College in Lahore as well as Aligarh Muslim University where he came in contact with “progressive political ideas” and thus the setting up of the Reading Room Party. Write ups were published in two periodicals known as “Siyassat” and “Muslim Outlook” which were published in Lahore. One more paper known as “Inqalab” also found articles written by many educated Kashmiris. These were smuggled into the valley and widely distributed to prepare a base to start a movement and also enlisted the support of the two Mirwaizes as well. The Reading Room Party on two occasions deliberately violated the law of converging of a huge gathering of nearly 30000 and then on another occasion to hold meeting to elect office bearers on June 21, 1931 amidst a huge gathering in downtown which turned out to be the most decisive in anti -Maharaja agitation. In this meeting, seven leaders were elected namely – Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, Mirwaiz Yousuf Shah, Mirwaiz Hamadani, Khawaja Said-ud-Din Shawal, Agha Syaeed Hussain Jalali, Gulam Ahmed Ashai, and Munshi Shahab-ud-Din. When this meeting concluded and people started leaving, an unknown Pashtun cook employed with a European, emerged and took over the stage to deliver an inflammatory speech denouncing the minority community and Maharaja Hari Singh. His name was Abdul Qadeer and had come all the way from the North West Frontier Province which later merged in the new theocratic state of Pakistan.
The speech of Qadeer was so much inflammatory and rabidly sectarian that it is said that all the newly elected leaders found their position dwarfed looking to how Qadeer in lightening speed mobilized and infused rebellion in the psyche of the largest ever gathering there. The law took its own course and Qadeer was arrested and tried in the Sessions Court in Srinagar from July 6 to July 9, 1931. The effect of his inflammatory speech was such that large crowds started gathering outside the court disrupting the normal life, traffic movement and the like. Many clashes with the police also took place outside the court premises. Under these circumstances, the administration decided to proceed with the ongoing trial of Qadeer inside the Central Jail, Srinagar. However, learning about it, the crowds gathered outside the jail premises on July13, 1931, the number was nearly 10000 and wanted to enter the jail to free Qadeer, the District Magistrate ordered the arrest of some leaders of the agitating crowd on which the mob turned violent, furiously pelting stones at the Police and other jail officials, cutting all telephone lines, ransacking police barriers and setting them on fire. Many prisoners were freed. It was a free for all scenario and breakdown of law and order. Police had to resort to firing as a last resort in which some deaths took place. No one, however, can justify people getting killed in Police firing but nobody can equally condone violence and holding law and order to ransom. The crowds carried dead bodies and marched towards the city in a procession raising provocative slogans. When the infuriated mob reached the main busiest business and commercial hub of Srinagar city, known as Maharaj Gunj, they broke almost all shops and business establishments of the minority Kashmiri Pandit and the Punjabi trading communities for the “fault” of their faith synonymous with the ruling Maharaja and looted them .The mob did not stop at that but attacked minority KP houses at many places and killed three and wounded nearly 180, some even succumbing to injuries later.
In addition to Maharaj Gunj, Vicharnag also witnessed massive loot. Kanikot in Budgam district witnessed massive violence against the members of the minority community for no fault of theirs. The eye witnesses many of whom lived until a few years back, revealed the extent of loot: everywhere, streets, lanes and even drains all were strewn with the looted turmeric and other items of loot. This turn of events made the victim minority community scare and the shop keepers reduced to abject penury as insurance facilities and ex-gratia aid from the governments were then unheard of.
What followed was the formation of the Muslim Conference in 1932 which later was converted into or renamed as National Conference in 1939 both under the leadership of Sheikh Sahib.
Two political forces emerged , one under Sheikh sahib and the other under the then Mirwaiz who got a support from the government so much so that the Mirwaiz presented an address of welcome to Maharaja Hari Singh when he returned to Srinagar earning him a grant of a jagir from the Maharaja . The political tussle between the two factions continued for decades. Due to the constraints of the space, it may be summed up that the Kashmiri Pandits remember July 13 as a “black Day” mourning and praying every year for those of the members of their community who were killed by the mobs on this day. It is also wondered that a holiday is declared on this day and not on the day of state’s accession with India while this day is thrust on Jammu and Ladakh which have got nothing to do with this day or its commemoration.
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Two news reports about same incident.

1) LeT divisional commander killed in infiltration bid in Krishan Ghati sector foiled.
SRINAGAR

Army on Monday claimed to have killed an intruder in Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch district in Jammu and Kashmir.

A senior army official told GNS that army’s 1st Mahar manning the Line of Control (LoC) in the sector suspected some suspicious movement near Panjal Nallah. The group, believed to be 5 to 6 in number tried to sneak into this side at around 3:30 am and opened heavy fire upon the forces after being challenged.

The fire was retaliated ensuing a fierce gunfight which continued till 6:00 am in the morning, the official said
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Meanwhile, later in the morning, the forces conducted searches in the area and recovered the body of a suspected intruder along with an AK-47 and other war like stores, the official said, adding that the other members of the group had later returned back to the other side.

After investigations, the intruder has been identified as Mohammad Anwar Khan son of Faiz Akbar Khan, divisional Commander of Lashkar-i-Toiba outfit, he added.
Next day

Lance Naik Hemraj killer terrorist killed

Acche Din.
Jammu: The militant that was killed by Indian Army yesterday in Poonch along the Line of Control (LoC) has been identified as Anwar khan who was involved in the beheading of Lance Naik Hemraj in January 2013.

Yesterday, a group of militants tried to sneak into the Indian side along the LoC in Balnoie area of Mehndar tehsil.

The troops guarding the LoC challenged the infiltrators, resulting in the encounter in which one militant Anwar Khan was killed.

Sources told India TV that Mohammad Anwar Khan was the one who beheaded Hemraj on January 8 2013. Anwar alias Azhar was paid Rs five lakh as reward by ISI for beheading Hemraj. It was a 15 member team of Lashkar and Jaish terrorists that killed Hemraj.

ISI Subedar Jabbar Khan of Takkapani unit was heading the operation. Anwar was an expert in reconnaissance and was referred to as ‘master’. He was local guide of Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT).


There were three guides with the team but it was Anwar who killed Hemraj. He was also involved in beheading of an Army captain in Krishna Ghati area in 1996.

Anwar ran a shop in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK).

A few days ago it was reported that a 40-member team of Lashkar was trailing army and security forces and was planning an attack.
So the miscreant was a guide for the TSP forces and got killed.
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Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 8h8 hours ago

Waiting for usual suspects to describe ED's terror-financing charges against Gilani & Co as "vindictive harassment". http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 102847.cms
Syed Ali Geelani-led Hurriyat member chargesheeted in terror financing case
SRINAGAR: A chargesheet was today filed by ED against Firdous Ahmad Shah, a member of Syed Ali Geelani's Hurriyat Conference, and another person for allegedly receiving money from Europe for use in terror financing.

The chargesheet filed in the court of Sessions Judge Srinagar (Special Judge, Money Laundering) names Shah as well as his close confidante Yar Mohammed Khan, an Enforcement Directorate(ED) official said.

The ED has alleged that the two received monies from Italy through Western Union Money Transfer and this money was used for unlawful activities relating to terror funding.

The ED attached Shah's house at Abi Gujar in Lal Chowk, which was, however, released by the court and the matter is under adjudication. Besides this, Rs one lakh belonging to Khan has been frozen, the official said.

Shah is the Chairman of Democratic Political Movement, a constituent of Geelani's faction of Hurriyat Conference.
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The public support for ISIS every Friday continues...

Protesters wave Pak, ISIS flags in Srinagar, clash with cops

adding a link that has photos & video Clashes in Kashmir after Eid prayers, Pakistan and ISIS flags raised

Have also seen a tweet from Barkha white washing this, but cannot confirm it is actually her, so not posting....
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Is the flag waving more with PDP-BJP government so make the sarkaar take a drastic step? THere was twitter chatter that the Pak ISIS flag waving is more this year than during NC times.
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The Pakistani flag waving bit seems to have increased, but the ISIS support amongst many Muslim communities is a more recent trend, though.
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Anindya wrote:The public support for ISIS every Friday continues...

Protesters wave Pak, ISIS flags in Srinagar, clash with cops

Have also seen a tweet from Barkha white washing this, but cannot confirm it is actually her, so not posting....
If it is already out there in the SM, why not post it??

It may give others a chance to track/verify.

much info will come from the retweets and the follow through.
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Counter Point: What if waving ISIS flags is strategy by COIN ops team to put fear of decapitation in the heart of separatists confuse terrorists on the ground.
After all in the business of Intelligence, not everything is what it appears to be.
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Pakistan pushed 8 separatist groups to join Syed Ali Shah Geelani, says Home Ministry note - Aman Sharma, Economic Times
Pakistan had engineered the induction of eight separatist groups into the hardline Hurriyat Conference headed by Syed Ali Shah Geelani in May, reflecting Pakistan's "continued support" to the ageing separatist leader, the home ministry has said in a note which was accessed by ET.

"This also led to the domination of the separatist discourse by anti-national elements, with emphasis on implementation of the UN resolutions," the note says, terming the "Pakistan-sponsored induction" of the eight separatist members into Hurriyat faction of Geelani as an "important development".

Interestingly, Geelani had rejected the invite from Pakistan High Commissioner for an 'Eid Milan' party on July 21, saying he was "boycotting" the function due to dropping of the Kashmir-word during talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif in Ufa in Russia. Of the eight separatist groups which had joined Geelani in May were five defectors from the moderate faction of the Hurriyat led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq. Jammu Kashmir Peoples Movement, Kashmir Freedom Front, Tehreek-e-Mazahamat, Islamic Political Party, Gojer Phari Forum, Muslim Khawateen Markaz, Pairvan-i-Villayat and separatist leader Hakeem Abdul Rasheed had joined the Geelani faction. They had vowed to work for right of self-determination as per the hardline Hurriyat ideology. Geelani had criticised the Indo-Pak joint statement in Ufa and had stressed that India should fulfill the UN resolution.
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Apparently, J&K Muslims are mighty unhappy that the flag of genocidal maniacs has been burnt...

Jammu and Kashmir: VHP allegedly burns ISIS flags; curfew imposed in Rajouri

Dont know if the twitter account is verified.... but since someone above had asked...
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Anindya wrote:Apparently, J&K Muslims are mighty unhappy that the flag of genocidal maniacs has been burnt...

Jammu and Kashmir: VHP allegedly burns ISIS flags; curfew imposed in Rajouri

Dont know if the twitter account is verified.... but since someone above had asked...
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yes its verified account and that tweet is present. God , she sure knows the meaning of "counter Productive"

try something like '26/11' or 'Godhara' and then talk of "counter productive".
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