Sitanshu Kar @SpokespersonMoD 2h2 hours ago New Delhi, Delhi
DefMin @manoharparrikar: Surgical int based ops were conducted along Indo-Myanmar border to counter planned attack by terrorists...
Sitanshu Kar @SpokespersonMoD 2h2 hours ago New Delhi, Delhi
... Significant casualties were inflicted upon the terrorists. DefMin @manoharparrikar talking about the Army ops along Indo-Myanmar border.
To be quite frank, if there was such questions they should have been brought up during the various stages of trial. My understanding is that this case has been pulled over three courts (TADA court, High Court and Supreme court). All during this time Yakub Memon knew that he is being tried as an accused (and not considered as a witness or an approver). Why did he not make a big fuzz at that time? He had multiple avenues to claim that he had been framed. He should have sensed some thing going wrong, the moment the lowest court gave him a death sentence. But he kept quiet.schinnas wrote:Raman does seem to suggest that solemn promises were made by officials representing GoI and that they should be honored. While there is no doubt that this terrorist deserves the fate for 26/11, if such promises were made, we cannot go back. .........
The only question that needs to be asked and answered is was there any sort of promise made by Indian intelligence officials on line of duty and whether or not we are honoring that.
INDORE: Thirteen years after the horrific burning of S-6 coach of Sabarmati Express which triggered the Gujarat riots, the prime accused in the Godhra case, Hussain Suleman Mohammad, was arrested from Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh on Friday. Hussain (35), who concealed his Godhra background all these years and worked as an auto-driver in Jhabua, was picked up by the Godhra crime branch. Inspector D J Chavda said Hussain was produced in court and sent to 12-day police custody. Soon after he was named accused, Hussain fled Godhra and shifted base to Jhabua, which is 120 km away. While in hiding, he got married and fathered two kids. Police sources said he could have easily lived in Jhabua all his life had he not visited his family in Godhra during Ramzan. This alerted the Gujarat police which started the probe.
With the help of relatives and friends, he bought two auto-rickshaws and became a bonafide resident of Jhabua by procuring his driving licence, ration card and Aadhaar card. Jhabua SP Abid Khan said, "Godhra police did not inform us about on-the-run accused. Had Gujarat police handed over documents and tipped us off, we would have acted fast." In February 2002, Suleman worked as a tea vendor at Godhra railway station and was one of the attackers who locked S-6 coach to set it ablaze, the Gujarat police said. At least 59 kar sevaks were killed in the ghastly incident that sparked off mayhem in the state that claimed over 1,200 lives.
Think about it. You have around 15 religious bigots (but semi-literate, or illiterate) who actually went ahead and placed the bombs. You also have one smart chap, well educated, not from a poor background and who can expected to have a more rational thinking. This person actually finances and coordinates the logistics required to have the bombs placed. Who is more dangerous? Whose killing would have a better impact on the society? I would prefer to have an illiterate terrorist (who may make mistakes and goof up the show), than a fully literate, smart terrorist (who would come up with better plans). Yakub Memon is just the 'smart terrorist' out here. Death sentence for him is a message for other 'intellectual terrorists'.harbans wrote:Also one aspect is why is our Judiciary not handing over death sentences to foot soldiers who knowingly plant bombs?
As per the official records (which I am sure the courts would have verified), Yakub Memon has been arrested when he was at New Delhi Railway Station. It is said that he came back from Pakistan via Nepal and reached New Delhi. There are unofficial reports that he was actually detained by Indian agencies in Nepal itself, where as the arrest was "shown" to be made at New Delhi. Now why did he land up at Nepal? We really don't know. But Government of India has not given any formal statement, or any promise to Yakub Memon. So unless he can prove that Government of India made some promises and is now back-tracking on it, he does not escape the hands of the law. This fellow had got nearly 10+ years to prove the point that GoI is backtracking on its promises. He has not done that at all. If Yakub Memon was lured into Nepal by some trick, then it was his fault to fall into the trap. This excuse of promises made by GoI, are just pathetic attempts to escape justice.fanne wrote:But Sachin Sir, the point is how did we get Yakub? If we gave him assurances, he should not be hanged, guilty or not.
Exactly. This case has gone through multiple trials and appeals. We should seriously have our heads examined, if we feel all during these stages the case were heard by an inefficient judiciary, or conducted by incompetent lawyers. All through this time, Memon's lawyers have not been able to punch holes in the prosecution's charge sheet. There are statements given by approvers who clearly have proven the role of Yakub Memon. The media also relies on the sob stories of Memon's wife, and consideres her statements to be the absolute truth.If he was not given assurance, then question of guilt comes in. It has been proven guilty by court. All the logic that we hear now about him being non guilty, is only part of the story, the full story his competent lawyer would have told. The judges then decided that he was guilty.
This is not a case of guilty by association, as there are witness statements which shows Yakub's role. If these statements were inaccurate, Memon's lawyers would have broken that story by now. This is also not a case of revenge, but a kind of message to wanna-be terrorists that delayed it may be, but justice would be served. The media as always is just going along the expected lines. Memon is from the minority community, and that itself sets the agenda. The media was silent when Dhananjoy Chatterjee a "poor" criminal was executed for rape & murder. The media is also resorting the cheapest tactic which is taken by even a pick pocket, that is "Do a,b & c things before arresting me". A pick pocket will demand police arrests all dacoits before arresting him, dacoits in turn would demand, rapists and murderers to be arrested first, and they would in turn that politicians involved in scams should get arrested first. These are all just excuses to get away from the hands of the law.What should be avoided is guilty by association or revenge attitude. I do not know if that is the case, the current media makes you think so.
May be I did not explain correctly. When I wrote "financing", I meant covering the financial aspects of the whole nefarious operations. Not generating the funds, but using the funds effectively.harbans wrote:i am not aware of Yakub financing the blasts. Any links? AFAIK from available resources Dawood and Tiger planned the whole thing. Finance arranged ISI/DI, planning too a combination of ISI/DI/TM
A top Army commander today said there are no large footprints of ISIS in Jammu and Kashmir but the outfit was "creeping towards this side" and the security grid has to stop the "terrible" organisation from getting a foothold in the country.
Northern Army Commander Lt General DS Hooda also expressed concern over a number of youth joining militancy, but said the numbers were not large to transform the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir.
Speaking to reporters after laying wreath at the war memorial here and paying homage to the martyrs of the 1999 Kargil war, he said, "There are no large footprints of ISIS in Jammu and Kashmir. Yes, there are incidents of flag waving that we have seen.
"Is it a matter of concern, yes it is. Because ISIS is such an organisation with such radical sort of ideology and views that we should make sure that it doesn't even get a hold and it has no place in a democracy.
"And therefore, there is a reason for us to see how to fight this ideological battle and frankly that is the plan at which it will get fought.So for us who are concerned with security and those concerned with governance, everybody has to put his head together and make sure that this very terrible organisation, if I may call it, doesn't get a foothold in India," he said.
The army commander said the creeping of ISIS into the region is a matter of concern.
"We are seeing it (footprints of ISIS in the region) slowly. We have already seen it in Afghanistan.There have been numerous incidents of conflict between ISIS and the Afghan Taliban. The ISIS is trying to gain some influence in Afghanistan. We have also seen factions of TTP which operates in Pakistan which has pledged their allegiance to ISIS.
"So there is a creeping towards this side and definitely it is a matter of concern that their coming into closer and closer into our region," he said.
The army commander also voiced concern over a number of youth joining militancy.
"There are reports that last year, according to our intelligence figures, about 60 local recruits, mostly from south Kashmir, and this year about 30-35 is the figure that we have. The number is not that large that it will transform the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir."
"But obviously, it is a matter of concern when young people have now slowly again started picking up the gun because two-three years back, the numbers were single digit - five, six or seven - that was the kind of recruitment taking place," he said.
Lt Gen Hooda said the establishment has to look at the issues of alienation and employment to counter the trend.
"We have to look at this.The youth engagement is something that everyone talks about, like how to do, do they have enough employment opportunities, that there is a sense of alienation and how to tackle that.These are the issues that we have to look at," he said.
The semantics of "persuation" matter here. the debate in BRF is not on whether Memon is guilty or whether he deserves the punishment. I doubt there is any second guessing on that aspect. However, if a solemn promise is made by officials representing India, it needs to be honored. Violating it will make us lose credibility and prevent us from generating approvers in future cases. We can argue that there is no solemn promise made by officials representing GoI and that would be a fair argument. However, it seems to contradict B.Raman, who was one of the key players at that time from GoI.I don't give a flying f**k how we "persuaded" him to return to India. What next? If we persuade Dawood the same way, we should give him a light sentence just because we "promised"?
More shockingly, the report claims that at least two senior NDA leaders and four UPA leaders were in contact with Dawood before 26/11, but all but one of the six dropped their association with him after the attacks. The last politician also stopped contact with him in 2011. In fact, Dawood in 2006 travelled on an international flight from the UAE to South Africa and the seat next to him was occupied by a senior politician who knew whom he was talking to throughout the journey, claim the US experts to Sunday Guardian.The counter-terrorism experts say that Dawood's family is "almost totally unaware of the new identity of their internationally known relative as given in the travel documents", supplied to Dawood 12 years ago, and that these papers are used "only while travelling internationally and domestically and in financial transactions", so that the names and aliases of Dawood do not come up on any record, including those of banks and airlines.Dawood however no longer uses the phone, claim the experts. They state that he has also restricted his movements within Pakistan since 2012. Lastly, the experts commend Ajit Doval for his efforts in bringing back Dawood to India, but say this is extremely difficult due to his new identity and the lack of cooperation on the Pakistani front.
Terrorists attacked a passenger bus in Punjab and then stormed a police station in Gurdaspur early on Monday, and killed one person.
Several civilians were injured in the terror attack that unfolded at about 5 am on Monday.
The attackers opened fire at the Dinanagar police station and killed the police guard on duty.
The terrorists, who are said to be about four in number, were reportedly wearing Army uniforms and hijacked a car to get to the police station.
Gunmen opened fire at a bus near the station, which is located near the Punjab-Jammu Kashmir border. Some passengers have reportedly been injured.
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The bombs were found on the Pathankot-Amritsar railway station.
The toll has increased to 3 in the Punjab terror attack.
Live bombs have been found on a railway track in Punjab, according to NDTV. It is not clear if the bombs are connected to the Gurdaspur terror attack.
Another person is said to have succumbed in the Punjab terror attack, bringing the toll so far to 2.
Additional forces have reached the spot and surrounded the police station.
The terrorists are still holed up inside the police station.
Chandigarh: Suspected terrorists from Pakistan early Monday fired indiscriminately in Punjab’s Dinanagar town in the frontier district of Gurdaspur, leaving at least three people killed and five injured.
The terrorists fired at people near the Dinanagar bus stand and then attacked the Dinanagar police station.
Dinanagar town is close to the Jammu and Kashmir border.
Meanwhile, Army deployed one of its unit from Pathankot to take control of the situation.
A gun battle was on between the terrorists, holed up inside a police station, and security forces. Five bombs were found on the Amritsar-Pathankot railway track.
The Home Ministry has also dispatched a team of National Security Guards (NSG) to help in neutralising the gunmen.
The terrorists, believed to have come from Pakistan border side, fired at people near the Dinanagar bus stand and then attacked the Dinanagar police station. Eyewitnesses said the terrorists fired on a bus going towards Jammu and later moved towards the police station.
Police sources said three to four terrorists in Army uniforms and carrying automatic weapons were hiding inside the police station. They hijacked a car from a nearby highway and came to the Dinanagar bus stand around 5.30 am.
Punjab Police sources said the incident indicated that it was a Fidayeen attack.
Giving his first reaction on the terrorist attack, Home Minister Rajnath Singh says he spoke to Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal to take stock of the situation.
Spoke to Punjab Chief Minister Shri Prakash Singh Badal who apprised me of the developing situation in Gurudaspur.
— Rajnath Singh (@BJPRajnathSingh) July 27, 2015
Also spoke to Home Secretary and NSA regarding the situation in Gurudaspur. Security forces have been rushed to the spot.
— Rajnath Singh (@BJPRajnathSingh) July 27, 2015
Reacting to the unfortunate incident Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah tweeted:
Will be very interested to see what emerges about the identity of the terrorists involved in the Gurdaspur attack this morning 1/2
— Omar Abdullah (@abdullah_omar) July 27, 2015
The timing of the attack, methodology & location are all eerily similar to attacks in the border belt of Jammu 2/2
— Omar Abdullah (@abdullah_omar) July 27, 2015
Here's what we know till now.
* Terrorists, three to four in number, hijacked a white Maruti Alto car.
* They first attacked a state roadways bus going to Jammu. One person has been reportedly killed in this attack.
* The terrorists then attacked Dina Nagar police station, killing a cop on duty.
* The terrorists are holed up in police station and an encounter is under way.
* According to TV reports, the terrorists entered from Pathankot.
* Five live bombs were found on railway track near Gurdaspur
* Army has reached the Gurdaspur encounter site.
* NSG commandos have also been rushed to the site.
* Schools and colleges in Gurdaspur have been closed.
Neha Poonia @NehaPoonia 16m16 minutes ago
#PunjabTerrorAttack: Hostage situation at Dinangar police station in Gurdaspur, 6-7 families at police quarters being held @ibnlive
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I agree. This means we've certainly been hitting them very hard. This is Modi's first major terror incident. His response will be key. This could also be linked to Yakub Memon's hanging. His release may be a condition they place on letting some of the family members go. IMO, the NSG will hit them hard and fast to deny them any more leverage and before the press move in.Paul wrote:There was an article I read which said action is moving towards Border region This incident is in line with BSF assessment LOC -> Working Boundary(Pakistan side) -> Border. With LOC fenced in and BSF giving hardline response in Jammu region, Pakis in desperation are starting action on Border.
9.17 am: Security forces suspect that there could be more than four terrorists involved in the attack. Cannot give a correct number, but we suspect there may be at least 10 or more, an officer said
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9.21 am: The BSF will be pressed into service to assist the Punjab police to battle the terrorists at Gurdaspur
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9.36 am: National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval has convened a meeting of the IB and R&AW chief to assess the terror attack in Punjab. There were no intelligence inputs specific to an attack in Gurdaspur. The only alerts that were sounded were that militants from Punjab are looking to stage an attack in a bid to revive militancy in the state. The ISI has been accused of sheltering Punjab militants and were looking to launch them in the state since the past five years
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Thanks, makes sense! (I mean, now I understand.)Singha wrote:they must have formed up inside punjab from various directions and accessed pre-cached arms rather than just walk in enmasse last night.
the rajasthan border is not 100% fenced I think...in some cases shifting sands and lack of manpower to watch over every inch permits even local smugglers to ply their ancient trade. the fence is also a single fence than the multi layer punjab one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjjvIZRcNA
Dressed in Army uniforms, pretending to be Sikhs, 100% shuddh Pakjabi terrorists (IMO).RoyG wrote:Sikh terrorists?
9.44 am: The terrorists could have crossed over into India late last night, Intelligence Bureau officials say. They first hijacked a car and then executed the attack by around 5 am. The intention was a hostage crisis considering the time of the attack. The terrorists were aware that security would be lax at that hour.
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9.45 am: The terrorists are said to have hijacked a Maruthi Alto car which belonged to the owner of a restaurant. The owner of the car is said to be injured in the attack. The terrorists assaulted the owner of the car before they took it with them and drove to the Gurdaspur police station. At least seven families are said to have been taken hostage by the terrorists.
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BSF is saying that there is no infiltartion in the Punjab sector. they probably came from elsewhere.A_Gupta wrote:How do terrorists infiltrate through the border fence? I thought that the entire Punjab border was fenced.
Huge sigh of relief!9.50 am: The families of the police personnel believed to have been taken hostage are safe. The Ministry for Home Affairs has said that there is no hostage crisis as of now.
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Would be interesting if they're one of the newer jihadi kashmiri groups. An ISIS flag/arm cloth/bandanna would add another dimension.SSridhar wrote:BSF is saying that there is no infiltartion in the Punjab sector. they probably came from elsewhere.A_Gupta wrote:How do terrorists infiltrate through the border fence? I thought that the entire Punjab border was fenced.
If there are no hostages, it will be a good opportunity for us to capture at least one of them alive. NSG could gas them?A_Gupta wrote:Huge sigh of relief!9.50 am: The families of the police personnel believed to have been taken hostage are safe. The Ministry for Home Affairs has said that there is no hostage crisis as of now.
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