Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

saip · Post by **saip** » 08 Aug 2015 04:54

Looks like he was caught taking thumbprints of his father who was on a ventilator. Could be just a rumor.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 08 Aug 2015 06:02

Jhujar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Anchor Moeed Pirzada arrested in UAE: FO

ISLAMABAD: Television anchor and commentator Moeed Pirzada was arrested in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, the Foreign Office said on Friday.Pirzada’s arrest comes months after Pakistani analyst and commentator Zaid Hamid was arrested in Saudi Arabia. Hamid was arrested during a private visit to the Kingdom with his wife and was apparently taken into custody after making speeches against the Saudi government.
Arabs do not accept any Peer. Peerzadah will so become Arabzadah.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Aug 2015 06:55

CRamS wrote:^^ Guys, one thing I don't understand, and even ex-army folks seem to be going to length pointing out is what a prize catch this Paki pigLeT is. Now, I know the half life of an Paki pigLeT is less than that of a cockroach once he is dispatched across the LoC, but in the entire almost 30 years of Paki terror in J&K, has Indian army never caught any other pigLeT alive? I find that hard to believe. I am sure we have several pigLeTs in custody. So what is so special about this guy?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 77717.aspx

In 25 years, over 100 Pakistan-based militants caught in J-K

Mohammad Naveed Yakub, the militant who was caught in Udhampur on Wednesday, is not the first Pakistani national to have been captured in Jammu and Kashmir.

In the 25 years of conflict in the Kashmir Valley, more than 100 Pakistani nationals have been captured alive following attacks on security forces.

Police sources say more than 15 militants have been arrested in the state in the past five years. While Naveed is the second militant arrested in 2015, two militants were arrested in 2013.

More than 25 Pakistani militants are either undertrials or serving jail sentences while 54 foreign militants are still active in the Valley. Pakistani footprints in militancy in the Kashmir Valley have been established on several occasions in the past five years.

Jammu and Kashmir police arrested a Pakistani national — allegedly a militant of the banned Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) — Zubair Ahmed Mughal alias Amir Maviyah hailing from Karachi in January this year.

In March 2013, a Pakistani militant suspected to be an accomplice of the two militants who attacked CRPF personnel in Bemina locality of Srinagar was arrested. Police and special operations group (SOG) identified him as Riyaz Ahmad alias Abu Talha.

In May 2013, another militant — Naveed Balouch alias Fahdullah — was arrested from the Sopore area. Balouch belongs to Jahanabad in Multan, Pakistan.

Like Naveed, the Pakistani officials had initially disowned Balouch too. “They (Pakistani authorities) always disown militants publicly and later acknowledge them,” said a senior police official. Police sources say around 800 Pakistani militants have been killed in encounters in the state.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 08 Aug 2015 07:08

Politicians Of PakiLand Psycho-

Analized

Herd mentality in politics
By Par -waz Dood boy

Our herd instinct developed as lower animals transformed into humans over thousands of centuries. Without it our ancestors could not have banded together to fight off wild animals or help each other harvest crops. Our species still needs cooperation and a strong group instinct — in fact we need it more than ever before. But the downside is that in places where critical thinking is unusual, herds are readily manipulated by political leaders and demagogues.

KAPTAAN ON THE COUCH

Pakistan’s political scene reinforces this dismal truth. Just look at the nonchalance of Imran Khan and his followers after the judicial commission issued its report last month. A patient sifting of the evidence had decisively repudiated their claims of systematic mass rigging in the 2013 elections. But the heroic kaptan and his herd were unapologetic. During their dharna carnival last year, they made Islamabad grind to a halt. Perched on his container, Cricketer Khan, together with the jet-setting cleric, Tahirul Qadri, had demanded fresh elections and promised to make milk and honey flow. They vowed to eliminate corruption but neither had a plan. Their groupies didn’t ask for one.

BHUTTO FAMILY SHENANIGANS

Ditto for the worshipful cult of Bhutto jiyalas who flatly deny any wrongdoing by father Zulfikar, daughter Benazir or husband Zardari. As that clan sees it, no evidence is evidence if it makes the Bhuttos come out looking bad. Jiyalas won’t read the Hamoodur Rahman report on Zulfikar’s role in East Pakistan, they’ll avoid studying the evidence of corruption that led to a guilty verdict by a Swiss court for the Bonnie-Clyde duo, and refuse to see the copiously documented big-money transactions from their offshore accounts. Their ownership of the magnificent Surrey Palace and other properties doesn’t matter. Instead, airports and roads bear the lady’s name today.

ALTAF BHAI'S DRAMA BAZI

As for brother Altaf, the less said the better. He is, of course, immensely entertaining and his renditions of old Hindi film songs are hilarious. For sound and fury, his rants are incomparable. Although there are good chances that he will deny tomorrow what he says today, to the faithful this makes no difference. Wall-sized pictures of their great leader adorn MQM meetings. All charges of money laundering, extortion, kidnapping, torture, or murder are vociferously denied. Please don’t bother with the evidence, they say, because we will never believe any.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 08 Aug 2015 07:30

During the early days of the Yemen / Saudi border conflict , an UAE Minister had bluntly warned Pakistan that it was going to pay a very heavy price

for keeping a neutral stance in this inter-ummah tiff.
His predictions-thank Allah - are at last coming true

First victim was Jahil- Hamid ; now we hear about this Pirzada character; Any guess as to who is the next guest on this list (maybe a level 1 person?)
Maybe, the Paki Phoren Office should be well advised to assign more diplomatic afsaars to handle the new files

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 08 Aug 2015 08:07

I just wanted to thank Shiv for the 1965 war tribute. I learnt a lot, pl. check it out.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Aug 2015 09:19

Guddu wrote:I just wanted to thank Shiv for the 1965 war tribute. I learnt a lot, pl. check it out.

You're welcome Guddu and thanks. I do want people to check it out because the 1965 war is one about which there is the most misinformation. Pakistan was America's blue eyed boy back then and it was powerful with weapons that were far ahead of what India had. They had Sabres - the famed MiG killer of the Korean war and the supersonic F-104s. Both were Sidewinder armed. They had Pattons with night vision capability and they had good radar cover which India did not have. We had no supersonic fighters or AAMs then

Pakis were traipsing all over the Rann of Kutch as early as April 1965 - a time when the Indian and Pakistani Air Chiefs spoke to each other on the phone and decided not to use their Air Forces. This was just as well because we had no air bases within range. Paki Sabres (as described in the video) had done practice missions over many important Indian air bases and were never discovered. By August 15th 1965 they has sent in thousands of infiltrators (Operation Gibralar) into Kashmir to sabotage, create panic and "provoke rebellion". They were to capture Srinagar's radio station and make a broadcast after which the Pakistan army was supposed to overrun and capture Kashmir.

Given these odds - Pakistan thought they could walk over Kashmir. As Paki plan after plan failed India was put under intense military pressure near Jammu (Chhamb) when Pakis attacked (OpGrand Slam - sept 1 1965) and India then took pressure off that area by opening other fronts - particularly near Lahore on December 6th. This event is now declared by Pakis as "India declaring war by attacking Pakistan" As Christine Fair says - the fact that Pakistanis "survived Indian aggression" is called the great victory of 1965 in Pakistan. It was very nearly a rout actually for Pakistan although we Indians were ourselves not happy with our performance and whined and whined while Pakis boasted and boasted and boasted and got chamchas like Fricker to write lies about the PAF

Please watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cGFqYX0ZU

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Aug 2015 10:08

Three days old though I do not recollect seeing it on BRF, so here goes.

Gaurav C Sawant : India must walk the talk and punish Pakistan

Hope this policy of destroying posts of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that are aiding infiltration of Mohammadden terrorists into India is forthwith implemented:

The planned policy of razing the Pakistani post that pushes infiltrators or provides them cover fire is still not being implemented

Now is indeed the time for action:

While India is punishing Pakistan along the LoC and IB, few people know better than Ajit Doval how to inflict pain on terror perpetrators in Pakistan.

Ajit Doval talks of raising costs for Pakistan, so that terror is not a viable option of Pakistan’s state policy. Now is the time for action.

Read more:

Daily Mail

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 08 Aug 2015 13:11

BRFites - consider this..

Is it time to bring out the distinction between the good vs bad terrorists as exactly the distinction between the "good" (?) vs bad Pakistani army.

Whenever India refers to terror, the statement should say "terrorist soldiers of the uncontrolled pakistani army". It should be clear that by "state uncontrolled" we are referring to the strain of the pakistani army which considers it normal (and indeed a pakistani tradition) to defy their own national law, be a law unto themselves, stage coups, spawn the terror branch of the ISI etc.

While the good TSPA doesnt essentially exist, it might still be useful to make this distinction. Essentially this will allow democratic forces to come together and ask for a clamp down on state unauthorized activities of the TSPA.

The public statements from India should pointedly say "We call upon the democratic Pakistani Government to take up civilian control and clamp down on the unauthorized and terrorist activities of their own state uncontrolled army."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Aug 2015 16:29

Story of a Lost Indian Hindu Girl - DT

“Geeta wants to go back, India is very good,” Faisal Edhi said, interpreting her sign language. “I am not happy here.”

That moistened my eyes.

Qurratulain Hyder was undoubtedly one of the greatest Urdu litterateur of the 20th century. She migrated to Pakistan, felt suffocated and re-migrated to India (remember this was in the early 50s). She had this to say: “Islam! Islam has had a rough ride here. If the Pakistani team begins to lose at cricket, Islam falls into danger. Every problem in the world is ultimately reduced to this word Islam. Other Muslim countries resent the fact that the sole contractors of Islam are these people from Pakistan. Everything is being upholstered with narrow-mindedness. Music, art, civilisation, learning and literature, they are all being viewed from the perspective of the Mullah . Islam, which was like a rising river whose majestic flow had been augmented by so many tributaries to turn it into a cascading force, has been reduced to a muddy stream which is being enclosed from all four sides with high walls.” Why did she have to say that ? Josh Malihabadi, another great Urdu litterateur of the 20th century and who had won the Padma Bhushan in c. 1954 from the Indian Government, was lured by President Iskander Mirza of Pakistan, but had to come back to India dejected after Ayub Khan branded him an Indian agent.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Aug 2015 16:33

Retired Air Vice Marshal of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and regular participant at Track II soiree’s, Shahzad Chaudhry, goes all out to deny that the Mohammadden Terrorists that attacked Gurdaspur came from the Islamic Republic. His argument supporting there was no involvement of the Islamic Republic principally hinges on the claim that crossing the Ravi was not possible as it was flooded and that the Indian Air Force base at Pathakot was a better target besides other lesser reasons:

The farce at Gurdaspur and the war of perceptions

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Aug 2015 18:04

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/0 ... e-from-imf

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and International Monetary Fund (IMF) have successfully completed negotiations on the Eighth Review under the three-year Extended Fund Facility (EFF) programme worth $6.2 billion that would lead to the release of ninth tranche of $502 million.

Addressing a press conference in Dubai on Friday, Finance Minister Ishaq Dar said that completion of the eight review is indicative of the government’s commitment to implementing structural reforms in areas of taxation, energy, monetary and financial sectors and public sector enterprises. According to a press release issued by the Finance Ministry, the minister gave an overview of national economy and noted that due to declining oil prices in international markets and decrease of commodities’ prices in market, the current-account position has improved and reduced burden of $2.6 billion that also put a positive impact in over all economy.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 08 Aug 2015 18:17

arun wrote:Retired Air Vice Marshal of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and regular participant at Track II soiree’s, Shahzad Chaudhry, goes all out to deny that the Mohammadden Terrorists that attacked Gurdaspur came from the Islamic Republic. His argument supporting there was no involvement of the Islamic Republic principally hinges on the claim that crossing the Ravi was not possible as it was flooded and that the Indian Air Force base at Pathakot was a better target besides other lesser reasons:

The farce at Gurdaspur and the war of perceptions

so they can guess the targets to be only mil. even after the Peshawar school attack,

then they talk about NABARD, do they have 100% coverage of their citizens, or guests like Osama. we should just grab the paki people inadvertently crossing the border like a teenager did recently and check if they are really fingerprinted and found in NABARD, ask the Pakis to supply fingerprints given the name

another opportunity,
India sets free nine Pakistani fishermen

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Aug 2015 19:10

Jhujar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Anchor Moeed Pirzada arrested in UAE: FO

ISLAMABAD: Television anchor and commentator Moeed Pirzada was arrested in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, the Foreign Office said on Friday.Pirzada’s arrest comes months after Pakistani analyst and commentator Zaid Hamid was arrested in Saudi Arabia. Hamid was arrested during a private visit to the Kingdom with his wife and was apparently taken into custody after making speeches against the Saudi government.
Arabs do not accept any Peer. Peerzadah will so become Arabzadah.

So , for Araps PEER= HARAM
logically Moeed Haramzada

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Aug 2015 19:23

Bheeshma wrote:JLN wanted to get out of commonwealth initially before edwina managed to calm him down. I am not sure why we are still in that archaic unit. Rightfully India can lead that unit and consign poodledom to dustbin of history.

One can influence the group by being member of group. That is as simple as that. We do not loose anything by being member of commonwealth. On practical side every year Babus log send their kids to oxford and cambridge on commonwealth scholarships. Imagine how much that would cost to GOI without commonwealth......

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 08 Aug 2015 19:26

rajpa wrote:BRFites - consider this..

Is it time to bring out the distinction between the good vs bad terrorists as exactly the distinction between the "good" (?) vs bad Pakistani army.

Whenever India refers to terror, the statement should say "terrorist soldiers of the uncontrolled pakistani army". It should be clear that by "state uncontrolled" we are referring to the strain of the pakistani army which considers it normal (and indeed a pakistani tradition) to defy their own national law, be a law unto themselves, stage coups, spawn the terror branch of the ISI etc.

While the good TSPA doesnt essentially exist, it might still be useful to make this distinction. Essentially this will allow democratic forces to come together and ask for a clamp down on state unauthorized activities of the TSPA.

The public statements from India should pointedly say "We call upon the democratic Pakistani Government to take up civilian control and clamp down on the unauthorized and terrorist activities of their own state uncontrolled army."

The Paki will start using the similar language against us and drag us down to gutter level verbal exchange, you can bet on that.

We have to have a comprehensive policy of punishing Pak and relentlessly pursue it till Paki come to their senses. We can start by downgrading the diplomatic relationship.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 08 Aug 2015 19:33

I am continually surprise by this guttoral urgent need to appeal to the world, and wordsmith response to the bakis, and try poetry. Basically anything but the task at hand. Do you think its genital, sorry, genetic, in the sdre? Or is this just equal equal with the tactical brilliance in eyeslamyouslamallgood.

edit : (light bulb)I see it now, it is the befitting reply syndrome.

member_29040 · Post by **member_29040** » 08 Aug 2015 20:05

CRamS wrote:^^ Guys, one thing I don't understand, and even ex-army folks seem to be going to length pointing out is what a prize catch this Paki pigLeT is. Now, I know the half life of an Paki pigLeT is less than that of a cockroach once he is dispatched across the LoC, but in the entire almost 30 years of Paki terror in J&K, has Indian army never caught any other pigLeT alive? I find that hard to believe. I am sure we have several pigLeTs in custody. So what is so special about this guy?

@ CRamS
I accept that capture of this terrorist is not going to help India diplomatically.
But it is great media tool, to communicate with people of India real face of Pakistani. This was needed after Bajrangi Bhaijan Tamasha.
This type of Media hype needs to be created to remind the people of India true face of Porkistan and beat Propaganda of Aman ka Tamasha. Fighting Pakistan is not a big challenge, but we need to be clear about our enemy.
And I believe that for this purpose this type of Media hype is needed to be created regularly..
Thanks..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Aug 2015 20:23

The Sahiwal Coal Thermal Power Plant recently had its second phase started.
http://www.express.pk/story/379971/
From images in the video at the link above, looks like some kind of foundation has been constructed. There certainly are a contingent of Chinese in construction hats present there.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Aug 2015 20:58

rajpa wrote:BRFites - consider this..

Is it time to bring out the distinction between the good vs bad terrorists as exactly the distinction between the "good" (?) vs bad Pakistani army.

Whenever India refers to terror, the statement should say "terrorist soldiers of the uncontrolled pakistani army". It should be clear that by "state uncontrolled" we are referring to the strain of the pakistani army which considers it normal (and indeed a pakistani tradition) to defy their own national law, be a law unto themselves, stage coups, spawn the terror branch of the ISI etc.

A variation of this has been used on BRF: "Pakistani State terrorists" (police/army) versus non state terrorists like Jaish - Mohammad and LeT

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 08 Aug 2015 20:59

Apart from institutionalized dhimmitude, what else is stopping India from downgrading diplomatic relations with Pakistan, revoking MFN and declaring Pakistan as an enemy state, barring any business & trade relations and clamping down on their scum earning bread in India? What are we so afraid of?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Aug 2015 21:19

^^^ that is a really good question. Likewise asked by Minhaz Merchant:
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/gurdaspur ... /5255.html

PS: India-Denmark example of some kind downgrade of diplomatic relations.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 856816.cms

India-Italy:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world ... 245000.htm

Are there others?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 08 Aug 2015 21:31

I would go so far to conjekchure the trade is sort of a hawala for feeding and clothing operatives there. Just as bakistani tourorrists via the jhamsota express carry spare fake currency in their underwear. Larger the volume of onions, harder to spot the charitable activities of onion merchants.

There is no other logikal eggs-plain-nation.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 08 Aug 2015 22:33

Yes, there are several ways to look at this scenario.

I think the pakistani point of view runs in the following manner:

A pakistani general would be wondering: "why doesn't Bhaarath finish off Pakistan?" Bhaarath is simply too big, too rich, too powerful, too advanced, ...etc than Pakistan. Pakistan does not compare on any parameter against Bhaarath. Any Pakistani general would be wondering,"Hey, if I had to lead Bhaarath against Pakistan, I would finish off Pakistan in a week if not a month, then why doesn't the leaders of Bhaarath do it?"

Then, from hereon, Pakistanis have to justify their own existence due to lack of Bhaarath's action:
- Maybe its the nukes. Maybe Bhaarath is afraid of the nukes.
- Maybe Bhaarath is not as strong as Pakistanis fear.
- Maybe its allah putting fear into Kaffir hearts.

Now, the conclusion is: whatever is the reason for Bhaarath's inaction, its something thats obviously working from Pakistani point-of-view. If its working, then why change it, hain ji? Further, its not as if a Pakistani general as many options. Their only offensive option is: terrorism or covert operations. And deny when caught red-handed. Its a very simple gameplan. The plan is simple because of lack of options.

Now, their plan is pretty simple and straight-forward: keep doing terrorism and other such actions to weaken Bhaarath. But, let it not boil towards a full-scale war because thats unaffordable for Pakistan. And while keep doing it, hope for a miracle. And they have the stories of Ghazni or Ghauri who tried many times finally succeeded. The interesting part is that if they keep trying, they can get lucky once and they need to get lucky only once. Thats the good part about being on offensive. You have to succeed only once. On the other hand, defence needs to succeed everytime.

Now, what could be Bhaarath's strategy in inaction? I think Bhaarath's strategy is following:
An average Babu sitting in Bhaarath would look at Pakistan might think,"Hey, Pakistan cannot defeat us. Its not even a legitimate threat. Why should we waste our time on Pakistan? "

Now, someone may ask, "But, why let Pakistan continue with all this terrorism? Why not finish it and get rid of it?"
Babu may answer," We have Pakistan all gamed. We know what it is capable of and what it is not capable of. This is quite comfortable position. So what if Pakistan does a few terror activities? How many people actually die in terror activities? More people die in car accidents. If any radical solutions are applied, like say war, it could have radical consequences. Consequences which we cannot predict or control. Why get into such a situation? This is a nice comfortable situation we are in. Why change it? A few citizens dying once in a while is a small cost to pay for such a nice comfortable position."

The difference between these two approaches is:
Pakistan's strategy is offense and offense even when they have no means of offense. Because its led by power-hungry generals.
Bhaarath's strategy is defense and defense even when its clearly not quite working. Because its led by inertia driven Babus who don't want to upset applecart.

So, basically, Pakistan's existence is based on Bhaarath's inaction. If for some reason Bhaarath becomes aggressive, the result would be similar to 1971. So, Pakistanis are paranoid. Again, one can understand their paranoia because they can't do anything to change the situation. The only option they have is to hope and pray apart from showing bravado. And they do all that.

Of course, there are other pisko aspects like Pakistanis wanting to be either equals or greater than Bhaarathiyas. So, they do tit-for-tat on everything even when its not feasible.

I think a much more basic pisko point from a Pakistani perspective is:
Is my God right or yours?
- If my God is right, then I'll win. And you will have to accept that my God is right.
- If your God is right, then I'll lose. And I will have to accept that your God is right.
- Both your God and my God can't be right at the same time. Either yours or mine.
- So, lets fight it out and see who is right and who is wrong.

Most Bhaarathiyas approach this question in the following manner:
- All Gods are same same. All human beings are same same. All religions are same same.
- Even if there are some differences, they can be reconciled.
- There is no need to fight on this issue.

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There was a discussion about Bollywood movies here and there was comparison to USA-Iraq situation.

I think that comparison is wrong. If there has to be a comparison, then a proper comparison should be made:
- Pakistan vs Bhaarath
- North Korea vs South Korea
- American Confederate vs American Union
- Taiwan vs China

In each of these cases, the audience would react similarly as Bhaarath's audience reacted to soft-portrayals of Pakistanis in bollywood movies.

If we have learn something from America, then it is: they finished the civil war even when it was high attrition taking the lives of several people. That allowed them to rise as a great power. Fortunately, Bhaarath doesn't need to go for high attrition tactics. All it needs to do is occupy Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore. That will set the ball rolling.

PS: I've dissed the Bhaarath's babus in this post. That doesn't mean to say that other aspects of Bhaarath come out smelling of roses. The generals should have occupied the important cities of Pakistan in any war. Its not just about negotiations in the post war. Actually, when an important city falls, it leads to disarray in the enemy ranks. Thats why invaders go straight for the capital city throughout history. Its a basic tactic. And this simple thing has not been implemented even after 4 wars.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Aug 2015 22:36

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ that is a really good question. Likewise asked by Minhaz Merchant:
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/gurdaspur ... /5255.html

PS: India-Denmark example of some kind downgrade of diplomatic relations.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 856816.cms

India-Italy:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world ... 245000.htm

Are there others?

I concur with Minhaz and Merchant and others, but reason why ModiJi may not be able to do that is because were he to do that like breaking off diplomatic relations or keeping them to a bare minimum, he will face flak from both TSP and Cong, for a "hostile" move. TSP will furiously up the ante like they have done now, only many times more. And of course Sonia/Pappu and their boot-lickers will have field day citing how many less Indians TSP killed during Sonia's regime, and how ModiJi has been beaten by TSP. So while it is fine and dandy for people like me and Minhaz Merchant to suggest an aggressive non military response, the key question is does BJP, ModiJi, and India at large have the wherewithal to defend itself against the sustained assault from TSP, its 3.5, and India's internal enemies should ModiJi undertake such a non military but aggressive response. My guess is that the answer is no, and hence ModiJi looks as confused as his predecessors, and all he seems to be able to do is contain the damage.

member_29058 · Post by **member_29058** » 08 Aug 2015 22:41

All India Radio News ‏@airnewsalerts 4h4 hours ago
J&K: Police and NIA sleuths arrest four accomplices of Pakistani militant Naved alias Usman Khan.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 08 Aug 2015 22:51

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ that is a really good question. Likewise asked by Minhaz Merchant:
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/gurdaspur ... /5255.html

PS: India-Denmark example of some kind downgrade of diplomatic relations.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 856816.cms

India-Italy:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world ... 245000.htm

Are there others?

These relationships are kept, so that they can be broken off if push comes to shove(thus avoiding a war). Then, after sometime, the relationships are again rekindled. And the cycle goes on. On the other hand, If all diplomatic relations are downgraded and all cultural & trade relations are cut off, then the Bhaarath's govt and Pakistan govt put themselves in a corner. The next hostile step leads to war.

Now, Bhaarath's leadership likes to avoid wars. How do you avoid wars when the enemy does terror activity? You need to be seen to be doing something without actually doing anything. How do you do it? The chanakyan idea is to call off cricket matches. If there is more public outcry, then call off talks. If even more public pressure, then all cultural relations are cut off. Its a step by step approach which gives them enough leeway to avoid a war and de-escalate the public pressure after a terror activity.

So, if these ties are cut before hand, then what will Bhaarath's leadership do when there is a next terror incident? And there will be terror incident because the Pakistanis have no other plan. And they have no fear of retribution.

saip · Post by **saip** » 08 Aug 2015 23:00

Pakistan says will not invite occupied Kashmir speaker to commonwealth conference

Link

"In the past Pakistan has invited delegations from Indian-held Kashmir," he said, and went on to add that India will not attend the conference if Pakistan does not invite the speaker of occupied Jammu and Kashmir assembly.

I am sure this is misreporting.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Aug 2015 23:01

Policy towards Pak should be keep on hitting it through official and unofficial channels BUT not to acknowledge it as an enemy. By giving it the status of enemy, we put it at the same level as us. It's best not to get into any verbal duels with them about who is more right and who is less. One doesn't talk to terrorists and crap about innosence and smell.

Pakistan is a "laaton ka bhoot". There is no need to indulge them with any form of conversation. Ignore them and keep on hitting them, keep on flushing them down the toilet.

That is what the Pakis seek - attention. We should only repond with thaparh. ANY TV channels who provide a platform for airing Paki views should be boycotted.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Aug 2015 23:37

RajeshA wrote:

That is what the Pakis seek - attention. We should only repond with thaparh. ANY TV channels who provide a platform for airing Paki views should be boycotted.

Indian attention propels the Pak state into global attention and it feeds from that attention.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Aug 2015 00:01

Thank you Shiv ji for the video. Really very educational. 1965 is one of those forgotten wars. Wish some one can also do something similar for 1962 and 1948 wars.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Aug 2015 00:23

What we Indians need to develop is a concerted effort to prevent secular channels from giving air time to Pakis. Any appearance of Pakis should be protested vehemently and the talkshow host or interviewer accordingly harassed, if need be.

Also there is no need for our print media to carry any press statements of Paki officials or views of Paki loudmouths.

If we don't give any H5N1 Virus any opportunity to make its case for causing bird flu epidemies, why allow Pakis any chance to do propaganda.

The virus, be it H5N1 or the Pakis, has simply to be fought and not talked to.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Aug 2015 02:02

Paki has weak Navy. This is the one trigger point we can press quietly. They should loose few ships at regular intervals, sinked by Non State Naval Forces. Balochi , Mohajir, Sindhi freedom fighter can patrol their Water to confront Paki intruders.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Aug 2015 02:03

Guys, first a caution: I am connecting some dots, but with the caveat that its based on DDM reports. So take it for whatever its worth.

First, please see this bold headline in ToILeT proclaiming that according to US: "India's 'substantial sacrifice' in backing sanctions helped seal Iran N-deal"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 404971.cms

Now, read this AFP report on upcoming India TSP talks

http://news.yahoo.com/india-pakistan-ta ... 17263.html

The official said if Pakistan were to call off the talks, then India would take the dispute to international forums "and even get the U.S. involved".

In the absence of India being unable to inflict any pain on TSP for its terror, I am not completely loath to US involvement if it helps TSP behave, especially if its a quid pro quo assuming the above Iran report is true. This would mean that US is not just "helping" India, but its mutual.

Main danger of US involvement is if it starts meddling in Kashmir. If US agrees that its involvement is restricted to terror, I see no harm. Threat of US sanctions will make TSP RAPE bend down on their knees with a begging bowl, and who knows, if US can turn on the screws, Hafeez pig might be killed in a "traffic accident" in Faisalabad

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Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 09 Aug 2015 03:11

shiv wrote:Please watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cGFqYX0ZU

Great video Shivji. Thank you very much for your efforts. Your time is very much appreciated. Learnt a few new things about 1965 war.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 09 Aug 2015 03:27

My guess is that Modi is waiting for the NSA level meeting on 23rd. After that the least I expect from govt. is strong and disproportionate retaliation for any provocation by the Paki at the border. For any repeat of Udhampur/Gurdaspur like attacks initiate border firing and persist with it long enough to deliver the message, make sure enough Paki troops are killed in these retaliations. Rinse and repeat.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Aug 2015 03:29

Really nice shiv ji.
Kudos for the hard work and how simplified you've made it here.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Aug 2015 03:38

GoI wants to go all out to have Pakistan declared a state sponsor of terrorism.
The 3.5 friends won't do it, and India is going to shame them too.

India needs massive arms build up in the low tech things that forward deployed forces need - Artillery, BPJs for infantry, WLRs, liberal ammo etc.
Border skirmishes will be the way to go.
Ultimately Indian armed forces will have to be a true invasion force and develop as such and employ them. That is the way to give a good thappad.

Other measures will gradually be initiated

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Aug 2015 03:44

Pakistan wants to test India's and Modi's resolve.

India should test Pakistan's nuclear red lines.

I say that they will not go nuclear even with loss of territory in POK.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Aug 2015 03:46

The most likely outcome will be that the Pak Army will break into a cold sweat and surrender at the prospect of a real war. They will rapidly downhill ski, as recently demonstrated by Musharraf during the Parakram mobilization. He stopped infiltration and firing at the LOC for a good many years.

So something similar is due for them. Except this time it will be with possible permanent loss of face for them.