Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Aug 2015 19:36

SSridhar wrote:Nuclear power Pakistan knows to defend itself: Sartaj Aziz

That should have come from the military via Sartaj Aziz.

Holding that as a nuclear-armed country, Pakistan knew how to defend itself, Sartaj Aziz, the prime minister's advisor on foreign affairs and national security, has accused India of acting like a regional superpower, a media report said on Monday.

"(Prime Minister Narendra) Modi's India acts as if they are a regional superpower; we are a nuclear-armed country and we know how to defend ourselves," Dawn on Monday quoted Aziz saying a day earlier.

"We also have evidence of Indian agency RAW's involvement in fuelling terrorism in Pakistan," Aziz said, adding that while Pakistan has evidence of Indian involvement in terrorism, India on the other hand only has propaganda against Pakistan.

"Propaganda against Pakistan is more important for the Indians, rather than giving us evidence," the adviser stated.

Aziz also said that India wants normalisation on its own terms; it would like to talk about trade and connectivity but not much else.

"If Kashmir is not an issue for India, why have stationed 700,000 troops in Kashmir," he asked

Aziz also stated that India should hold a referendum in Kashmir, and the people would decide their own fate.

"India should realise after the current episode that their tactics are not working, and they need to be sincere about dialogue with Pakistan," added Aziz.

They are threatening nuclear war because they couldn't meet some terrorist vagabonds from Kashmir. A low threshold if you ask me.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Aug 2015 19:45

Gagan wrote:The status of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program is well known.
It is a bit of a non issue at its current status.

What is of concern is them aquring a Pu based option in the future

do they have a functional FBR somewhere ? most probably they ll have semi assembled Pu based devices .. one thing we need to watch out for is unconventional delivery platforms ...like civilian airliners ...or a train or bus even... In event of a war , I doubt they ll rely on missiles for delivery...16s can probably deliver them ...but I doubt they could config it...and they don't have a bomber...

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 24 Aug 2015 19:54

next time india should bring ladhakis , pandits for composite dialouge

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 24 Aug 2015 19:58

Dawood Ibrahim has nine residences in Pakistan, Delhi says

New Delhi: Dawood Ibrahim has nine residences in Pakistan, including one bought near the house of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, son of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, two years ago, and has three Pakistani passports which he frequently uses to travel.

According to a dossier prepared by India to be handed over to Pakistan,[*] there are nine places where Dawood Ibrahim, who is known to frequently change his locations, stays in Pakistan. The new residence Dawood bought is located at Shireen Jinah Colony near Ziauddin Hospital, Cliffton, Karachi.

“This accommodation was purchased in September, 2013 and is located near the hospital where medical treatment could be provided to Dawood whenever required. This place is close to the residence of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, son of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto,” the dossier reads.

[*] did not happen

Apart from this house, the other places where he regularly frequents are: Moin Palace, near Abdullah Shah Gazi Dargah, Cliffton, Karachi, 6A Khyabar Tanzeem, Phase V, Defence Housing area, Karachi, ISI safe house located on Bhoubhan Hill, around 20km from Islamabad on Islamabad-Muree Road, P6/2, street no. 22, House no. 29, Maragalla Road, Islamabad, 17C P Bazar Society, Block 7-8, Amir Khan Road, Karachi, 30th street in Phase 6 extension of DHA in Karachi, 8th floor of Mohran Square near Pardesi House 3, Tawar area, Cliffton, Karachi and a palatial bungalow in the hilly area of Nooriabad, Karachi.[*]

[*] Good leg-work by RAA agents

According to the dossier, Dawood has three Pakistani passports — first one issued in Rawalpindi (No. G-866537), second in Karachi (No. C-267185) and a third one which was also issued in Karachi (No. KC-285901).

The dossier says Dawood was declared a global terrorist by the US State Department on October 16, 2003 and he was included in the UN list as an associate of Al Qaida on November 3, 2003 under the UNSC resolution no. 1267 “Pakistan has failed to issue a red corner notice and take action as per UN notice against Dawood,” the dossier says.

In light of above, no wonder that the Pakis did not want to face the music in New Delhi

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2015 20:16

^^^ What music? Is the music in New Delhi any louder than the OBL, Mullah Omar music from Washington, D.C., or other Western capitals?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Aug 2015 20:34

Eye-eye-yo, ModiJi is baad, TSP must not be humiliated, "international community" kya kahange?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/ ... 83696.aspx

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Aug 2015 20:39

KLNMurthy wrote:
I don't know about other people's experience, but I have seen that this type of "conflict-resolution" approach is very much favored in Indian family and social circles:

Two brothers (say) are in conflict--brother A is quite unreasonable but also more aggressive and noisy. B's case is stronger, and he has the reputation of being the more reasonable and mild-mannered one. But when B had had enough of A's bullying and pushes back, leading to a startled and angry A to turn up his volume of noise, elders/authority figures will admonish B, not A: "A is anyway a rogue, we thought you, B knew better. Now why are you creating nuisance, just like A? You better shut up and just let A have what he is demanding."

The intention of the elders is not to do justice or teach the kids A and B to be better persons. It is to gain some temporary peace and quiet for themselves, without having to spend the mental energy figuring out how to solve the problem in the interest of right and wrong.

Almost all the "experts ", Indian or foreign, who advise India to do this and that with Pakistan, just want the paki nuisance to stop, if only for the moment. The easiest way to do that is to put pressure on the reasonable party, especially if he feels an obligation to keep up his "good name" as a reasonable party. Almost no one is interested in getting to the bottom of the problem, identify what constitutes a good and feasible solution, and spend the resources required for the same.

This is a top class assessment of the situation. In the case of "elders who want peace and quiet" as well as IndoPak peaceniks the real situation they are trying to avoid facing is one in which there is a break, where they have to say "A is better than B" or "Let A and B stop talking - break up the family and to hell with it. They would rather be unfair to one party (the "reasonable one") expecting reasonableness for the overall goal of having harmonious relations and avoiding a fight which can cause shame to all sides.

These groups need to be made to confront their fears. What the fuk wil happen if there is a complete break between A and B? OK family get togethers wont be the same; we also get tainted. But beyond that what? War? will Pakistan declare war if we don't talk? If Pakistan is going to declare war then the ball is in their court and they are already fighting that war. It will not get worse if we stop talking.

Anyhow the real point is that while we all now realize that Pakis have a unique psychological make-up, there is also a problem counter psy make up among Indians who fear the unknown and who fear the loss of relations with Pakistan and imagine that some bad things might happen, not realizing that the worst that can happen is already happening.

The US has very strong vested interests here in pitching for peace in the family. But Indians need to understand that US and Indian interests do not coincide with respect to Pakistan. It has taken a decade of fighting to even change opinions on BRF and make people think that there may be a separate entity called "Indian interests" that differ from US interests. Imagine making more Indians feel that way?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 24 Aug 2015 21:05

300 terrorists waiting to infiltrate into India from PoK: Dossier

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Aug 2015 21:22

GoI - MEA and NSA should call out the recent actions from Pakistan that they indeed do want to justify terrorism as an instrument of state policy and corner them in the propaganda war. It will be an opportunity missed not do do so. The statements made by Pakistan and their diplomatic actions can be nailed to put a convincing story around this. This is the best way for the current policy of no talks without stoppage of terror to be solidified and not fall to the eventual pressure game that Pakistan will play of pleading to the US that it is India, who does not recognize the root cause of terror as Kashmir.

MEA has to use the current events to nail Pakistan perfidies further opening up avenues for India to take stronger covert and counter hard measures in the coming months and years.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Aug 2015 21:26

gakakkad wrote:
Gagan wrote: do they have a functional FBR somewhere ? most probably they ll have semi assembled Pu based devices .. one thing we need to watch out for is unconventional delivery platforms ...like civilian airliners ...or a train or bus even... In event of a war , I doubt they ll rely on missiles for delivery...16s can probably deliver them ...but I doubt they could config it...and they don't have a bomber...

It is fairly well known that Pakistan F16 have been configured to carry nuclear payloads with US connivance.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Aug 2015 21:34

The dialogue process should dispense with mentioning Kashmir in the future.
Pakistan understands that this issue will not be solved. By repeatedly mentioning kashmir in interactions, they are trying to keep it alive.

Just like the karakorum highway, it is a marker to demonstrate possession, just like the chinese did with the Aksai chin road in the 1960s.

Unless India has a definite plans to retake POK...

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Aug 2015 21:42

@shiv

Our instinct of group survival is based on keeping family, kinship and clan relationships functional; justice and fairness are secondary or irrelevant. Harmony / fraternity trumps liberty and equality.

We believe instinctively that pakistan is part of the same clan as us; pakistan is helping us break that belief each day. Beyond that, we get instinctively perturbed when we see any clan-breaking behavior, however justified by considerations of modernist values like liberty and equality.

I think Indian seculars and paki elite are united in a lack of core belief in a modern economic model in which individual talent and hard work open up alternatives to solely depending on clan for survival.

Or you might say they both share a feeling of being threatened by modernity--it makes their shared feudal-clan model irrelevant.

That explains the deep underlying unity between lutyens and RAPE.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 24 Aug 2015 21:51

KLNMurthy wrote: Almost all the "experts ", Indian or foreign, who advise India to do this and that with Pakistan, just want the paki nuisance to stop, if only for the moment. The easiest way to do that is to put pressure on the reasonable party, especially if he feels an obligation to keep up his "good name" as a reasonable party. Almost no one is interested in getting to the bottom of the problem, identify what constitutes a good and feasible solution, and spend the resources required for the same.

Thanks. Makes total sense. Well explained.

This facet of the Indian psychology is causing a lot of damage to the nation, and people in the government need to get out of this and start thinking straight for a start. Especially odious when people occupying official positions in the office of the NSA and other security roles start thinking like this.

Maybe this circle jerk with pakistan will end and we can get out of this perceived stalemate with pakistan, when that is just a fallout of the above mentality.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 24 Aug 2015 21:57

ShauryaT wrote: GoI - MEA and NSA should call out the recent actions from Pakistan that they indeed do want to justify terrorism as an instrument of state policy and corner them in the propaganda war. It will be an opportunity missed not do do so.

opportunity missed how exactly? It is not like people are not aware about Pakistan using terrorism as state policy, and naming and shaming them has done diddly squat with respect to changing their behavior or forcing them to cease and desist. There is no propaganda war going on -- there are facts on the ground, the enablers of pakistan are well aware of this facts, and have no interest in changing pakistani behavior as it serves their purpose too. India's options at this point have nothing to do with propaganda -- that is a demonstrable dead end.

If the US is arming pakis with nuclear-capable F-16s, it follows that they also see nothing wrong with Pakistan or its state policy, and any leverage they have over pakistan will be used to further their interests, not India's interests.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 24 Aug 2015 22:01

'ICC can’t play any role in Pak-India cricket series'

LAHORE – International Cricket Council President Zaheer Abbas on Monday said that Pak-India cricket series was an internal matter of both the cricket boards and ICC could not play a role in this regard.

“Revival of bilateral cricket series between Pakistan and India is a matter related to both the cricket boards and ICC cannot play a role in it but definitely such cricket events will be very beneficial for the overall development of the game in the region,” he asserted.

The former cricket captain said it was unfortunate that Pakistan had been deprived of international cricket and he was saddened to see that foreign teams were not visiting Pakistan owing to security concerns. He said that resumption of international cricket was everyone's desire and wish but until security situation improves to a certain level foreign teams would not be visiting Pakistan.

Zaheer Abbas has given Three Begging Reasons - all of them are to provide the Cwapistanis with Lodsa Dosh. For other reasons of Begging please read the full Article.
Cheers

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 24 Aug 2015 23:00

Night is day, day is night.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/2 ... n-by-india
"Pakistan asks world to take notice of talks cancellation by India"
Gautam

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Aug 2015 23:02

>>It is fairly well known that Pakistan F16 have been configured to carry nuclear payloads with US connivance.

configuring the 16s is not as much of a problem ...configuring the payload is the big deal...that would require a good deal of simulation etc ..paakis having a functional nook is quite doubtful in itself... that raises even more doubts into their ability to configure whatever they have into a variety of payloads...the best chance they have is a soosai mission using a civilian airliner...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2015 23:27

g.sarkar wrote:Night is day, day is night.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/2 ... n-by-india
"Pakistan asks world to take notice of talks cancellation by India"
Gautam

So what do the Chinese say?
Xinhua:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 547150.htm

India says Pakistan needs to decide what to do after calling off talks over Kashmir
English.news.cn 2015-08-23 22:00:42 [More]

NEW DELHI, Aug. 23 (Xinhua) -- Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh said on Sunday that Pakistan now needs to decide what they want to do after calling off the security talks over the issue of the disputed territory of Kashmir.

"Why didn't Pakistan raise the Kashmir issue in Ufa in Russia when the two Prime Ministers met last month?" the Indian minister asked.

He added: "It was understood that no third party will come in this meeting. They should have decided on this agenda earlier. Now Pakistan needs to decide what they want to do."

Pakistan called off the talks on Saturday after India insisted that no meeting was held between Pakistan officials and separatists in Indian-controlled Kashmir during the talks, which New Delhi said must be focused on terrorism.

India has also detained some Kashmir leaders who had flew to New Delhi to meet Pakistan's top security advisor.

India and Pakistan agreed to hold the meeting of their national security advisors when the prime ministers of the two countries met last month in Ufa, Russia.

The news-item that is of real interest to the Chinese is this one:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 547241.htm

Chinese Embassy in Pakistan confirms rescue of abducted Chinese tourist
English.news.cn 2015-08-24 01:51:09 [More]

ISLAMABAD, Aug. 23 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese Embassy in Pakistan on Sunday evening told Xinhua that a Chinese tourist who was kidnapped in Pakistan a year ago has been rescued.

With the combined efforts of China and Pakistan, Hong Xudong, the abducted Chinese tourist, has been rescued recently by the Pakistani side, the embassy said in a statement, adding that China is grateful to the great efforts the Pakistani side has made for Hong's rescue.

Earlier on Sunday, Pakistani Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told a press conference in Islamabad that the Chinese tourist was rescued by Pakistan's security forces and intelligence agencies on Saturday night and was scheduled to be handed over to the Chinese Embassy on Sunday night. However, he didn't mention where the tourist was recovered.

Hong, who was from central China's Hubei Province, was abducted in northwestern Pakistan's Dera Ismail Khan district on May 19, 2014 when traveling in the country on his bicycle. He entered Pakistan in April from India and was on his way to Iran.

The Pakistani Taliban has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping. There were also unverified reports and video earlier this year showing that Hong was in the custody of the Taliban.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 24 Aug 2015 23:37

KLNMurthy wrote: I don't know about other people's experience, but I have seen that this type of "conflict-resolution" approach is very much favored in Indian family and social circles:

Two brothers (say) are in conflict--brother A is quite unreasonable but also more aggressive and noisy. B's case is stronger, and he has the reputation of being the more reasonable and mild-mannered one. But when B had had enough of A's bullying and pushes back, leading to a startled and angry A to turn up his volume of noise, elders/authority figures will admonish B, not A: "A is anyway a rogue, we thought you, B knew better. Now why are you creating nuisance, just like A? You better shut up and just let A have what he is demanding."

The intention of the elders is not to do justice or teach the kids A and B to be better persons. It is to gain some temporary peace and quiet for themselves, without having to spend the mental energy figuring out how to solve the problem in the interest of right and wrong.

Almost all the "experts ", Indian or foreign, who advise India to do this and that with Pakistan, just want the paki nuisance to stop, if only for the moment. The easiest way to do that is to put pressure on the reasonable party, especially if he feels an obligation to keep up his "good name" as a reasonable party. Almost no one is interested in getting to the bottom of the problem, identify what constitutes a good and feasible solution, and spend the resources required for the same.

When some one have a very good grasp on a subject , he/she can make other people understand with simple examples , kudos to you Murthy saab.

I don't know when people will realize the simple facts that

1. Pakistanis will never ever realize their mistakes

2. When ever we talked with them, we had to make concessions

3. I don't know how much pressurized is the present GOI ( to talk with porkis ) from international community but India have weathered such pressures in the past when the stature of the Nation in the international fora was not like present days.

4. We are already at war for the past 2-3 decades and still find terror activity against our people as another inconvenience.

5. we just can't argue with a psychopath and a serial lair

The best way is just to ignore them officially .

saip · Post by **saip** » 24 Aug 2015 23:39

What is really troublesome is pakis talking about nukes. I can not imagine Doval saying what that lobster head Aziz said. Do they really believe they will scare the world if they keep repeating it a hundred times? An honorable man does not have to say he is an honorable man as everyone knows it.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Aug 2015 23:44

http://www.dawn.com/news/1202534
"No terrorist network left capable of operating in Pakistan: Nisar"

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 24 Aug 2015 23:45

^^^@saip ..well it definitely scared you

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 25 Aug 2015 00:02

'Maulana Diesel' Plays Role As Mediator

MQM assured to take back resignations: Fazlur Rehman

ISLAMABAD (Web Desk) – JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Monday that Muttahida Qaumi Movement has assured us to take back resignations.[*]

In a joint-press conference with MQM’ Farooq Sattar, Maluna Fazl said MQM assured us to withdraw resignations if PM listen their grievances.

He said PM has decided to form a committee to listen MQM grievances and drive a possible solution for it.

[*] Wondering what the estimated maulana is going to get from this, apart from a temporary ceasefire ; after all, it seems that the Govt has already decided to go after MQM

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 25 Aug 2015 00:26

KLNMurthy wrote:
I don't know about other people's experience, but I have seen that this type of "conflict-resolution" approach is very much favored in Indian family and social circles:

Two brothers (say) are in conflict--brother A is quite unreasonable but also more aggressive and noisy. B's case is stronger, and he has the reputation of being the more reasonable and mild-mannered one. But when B had had enough of A's bullying and pushes back, leading to a startled and angry A to turn up his volume of noise, elders/authority figures will admonish B, not A: "A is anyway a rogue, we thought you, B knew better. Now why are you creating nuisance, just like A? You better shut up and just let A have what he is demanding."

The intention of the elders is not to do justice or teach the kids A and B to be better persons. It is to gain some temporary peace and quiet for themselves, without having to spend the mental energy figuring out how to solve the problem in the interest of right and wrong.

Almost all the "experts ", Indian or foreign, who advise India to do this and that with Pakistan, just want the paki nuisance to stop, if only for the moment. The easiest way to do that is to put pressure on the reasonable party, especially if he feels an obligation to keep up his "good name" as a reasonable party. Almost no one is interested in getting to the bottom of the problem, identify what constitutes a good and feasible solution, and spend the resources required for the same.

Wah! KLNM, One of the best posts here!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Aug 2015 01:40

saip wrote: ... Do they really believe they will scare the world if they keep repeating [nukes] a hundred times? ...

That is exactly what they believe. They have believed that since 1998. Why not? It works, at least enough for them to continue using it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2015 01:43

KLNM please see the drama thread in GDF.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Aug 2015 01:43

On second thought, the pakis also exhibit the same mindset that insists India make all the concessions. How many times have we heard "India needs to be more large hearted and make concessions to us terrorists in this terrorist nation" speech from various pakis? This is the same mindset the likes of Leela Ponnappa seem to operate from too.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Aug 2015 01:50

KJo wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
I don't know about other people's experience, but I have seen that this type of "conflict-resolution" approach is very much favored in Indian family and social circles:

Two brothers (say) are in conflict--brother A is quite unreasonable but also more aggressive and noisy. B's case is stronger, and he has the reputation of being the more reasonable and mild-mannered one. But when B had had enough of A's bullying and pushes back, leading to a startled and angry A to turn up his volume of noise, elders/authority figures will admonish B, not A: "A is anyway a rogue, we thought you, B knew better. Now why are you creating nuisance, just like A? You better shut up and just let A have what he is demanding."

The intention of the elders is not to do justice or teach the kids A and B to be better persons. It is to gain some temporary peace and quiet for themselves, without having to spend the mental energy figuring out how to solve the problem in the interest of right and wrong.

Almost all the "experts ", Indian or foreign, who advise India to do this and that with Pakistan, just want the paki nuisance to stop, if only for the moment. The easiest way to do that is to put pressure on the reasonable party, especially if he feels an obligation to keep up his "good name" as a reasonable party. Almost no one is interested in getting to the bottom of the problem, identify what constitutes a good and feasible solution, and spend the resources required for the same.
Wah! KLNM, One of the best posts here!

Thank you. The "wisdom " comes from experience in school many years back. I am glad that long-ago kid's confusion had a delayed tubelight effect.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 01:57

Rajnath Singh has asked Pakistan to decide what to do.

There is only one thing that the ISI can do.
One understands that there are 300 infiltrators being set up to cross.
We might see train bombings in delhi / mumbai.
Also Dawood has really felt threatened, with the ISI there'll be some joint op now

Hope GOI is prepared for this, and a military riposte. I would recommend a "land for peace deal "

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 01:59

Land for Peace == ensuring that an ever increasing area of POK is rendered peaceful, by liberating it.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 25 Aug 2015 01:59

Despicable Chinese mouth piece in India gives pakistan a willing hand in blaming india for cancellation of NSA talks.

CPI(M) on Monday charged that there were "weaknesses" in Centre's stand vis-a-vis the Ufa agreement.

Speaking to the media, CPI(M) general secretary Sitaram Yechury reiterated need for a "composite" dialogue process between the two nations

Chinese agent clearly wants the negation of Indian diplomatic efforts for first talking about terrorism in India and providing of voice sample by Pakistan. He instead parrots on the pakistani argument for a composite dialogue

India should have had made it clear (in advance) that the NSA-level talks would not take place if Pakistan held talks with separatists. We did not hear anything about this condition from Ufa, where the NSA-level talks were agreed to

He is clearly implying that India imposed conditionalities while not mentioning the pakistani tactics for diversion from talks after the agenda was fixed and agreed to by them.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Aug 2015 02:31

I'd love to see a new cabinet level post designated as 2221994. All discussions with Pakistan to be handled by concerned mantri only.

That way they will get their corishoo and Mogambo is also khush. Win-win.

saip · Post by **saip** » 25 Aug 2015 02:53

South Korea has it. Ministry of Unification.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2015 03:01

Takla Aziz now looks more like Gollum in a suit.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Aug 2015 03:01

Does cancellation of NSA level talks mean that PM Modi is not going to visit Pakistan? That is a good thing. I was a little worried that he would be visiting that nest of vile terrorists/actors state- and non-state alike who are crapping bloody from fistula excreta all over their paki (pure) land.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Aug 2015 03:06

KLNMurthy wrote:Thank you. The "wisdom " comes from experience in school many years back. I am glad that long-ago kid's confusion had a delayed tubelight effect.

Also what one learns in KG - it is not important who started the fight but stop right now and step back or both of you will be punished.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Aug 2015 03:12

gakakkad wrote:>>It is fairly well known that Pakistan F16 have been configured to carry nuclear payloads with US connivance.

configuring the 16s is not as much of a problem ...configuring the payload is the big deal...that would require a good deal of simulation etc ..paakis having a functional nook is quite doubtful in itself... that raises even more doubts into their ability to configure whatever they have into a variety of payloads...the best chance they have is a soosai mission using a civilian airliner...

If they try to "configure" it will re-"confgure" their musharrafs. It might explode in the face ... err musharraf - of those paki (pure) musharrafs who want to excrete their inner pakistaniyat in India/POK.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 25 Aug 2015 03:33

ramana wrote:Takla Aziz now looks more like Gollum in a suit.

"We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 25 Aug 2015 03:45

CCF was right. Any 'rapprochement' on the 'sideline' and a resultant communique is bound to blow up in GoI's face. Fault the idiots in MEA for the UFA stupidity. Doval is batting under his capability and average.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Aug 2015 03:51

http://swarajyamag.com/politics/india-p ... ia-misses/
India-Pak Diplomacy – What The Media Misses
The charade of Indian media discussing the India-Pakistan engagement in a typically shrill and surcharged manner is nothing new. But the discourse plummeted to such abysmal depths of naïvétè and stupidity that one wondered whether the IQ of our premier journalists has just evaporated! Or if the coverage is driven so much by personal agendas that all sense of perspective has been lost. Contrast this with reporting in the Pakistan media. They seem to have got a far better measure of Indian diplomacy than the Indians. All their major newspapers highlighted the success of India’s diplomacy after the PM Modi visited UAE and brought off a diplomatic coup with remarkable dexterity. A Pakistani news service carried the headline “Modi steps into the wedge between Pakistan and UAE”. All the Pakistani newspapers carried a balanced account of PM Modi’s new diplomacy of connecting India from the Far East to UAE, and even Iran and Israel. They highlighted his statement made with a steely flourish that India would move on with, without or despite those who don’t care to join in. Nobody could miss the reference. Pakistan media got that and so did Pakistan establishment.
Given this background, I find it extremely naïve on the part of our big names of journalism to entirely miss the point. Talks between India and Pakistan would have been a big reward to Pakistan. India loses nothing if the talks are called off. The US, Afghanistan, Iran, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Central Asia are all tilting against Pakistan and therefore, India has no reason to reward Pakistan with talks at this point. Ufa was a brilliant gambit by the PM. It could be turned into a success only by someone who had an accurate understanding of how things would pan out after the Ufa declaration. It happened exactly as scripted. Credit for this would go to Jaishankar, not Doval. It’s a brilliant and emphatic diplomatic victory. Jaishankar understood what the reaction would be from the Pakistani Army. He understood that Pakistani Army has all the levers but their understanding of diplomacy is of the sledgehammer variety, not the silken variety.
So what would the Pakistani Army do? Exactly what it did in the last few days. It was such a no-brainer that when we see our experts and journalists shouting themselves hoarse and lamenting the collapse of talks, they fail to realise that India has pushed Pakistan into exactly the place it wanted to.......
Gautam