West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Oct 2015 22:00

NRao wrote:Now the ball is rolling:

U.S., allies demand Russia halt Syria strikes outside IS areas

Not surprising , the strikes must be seriously affecting US munna ISIS and other terrorist , No more Kid Glove Approach toward ISIS

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Oct 2015 22:13

RUAF must be on a tight timetable to finish off the first 3 layers of targets on their list b4 the GOAT starts getting too itchy.

I cannot believe that NATO would start shooting at the RUAF, but then I could not believe back in 2003 that Dubya would be stupid enough to actually invade Eyerak over bogus "WMD". In fact I told someone 2 weeks ahead of the invasion that it was all just bluff, no way anyone could be THAT stupid.

BO may see a big macho benefit in shooting down a few Su-24s, just like Ronald Reagan did. Bottom line: RUAF can bomb whomever Assad says OK to bomb, that is the only UN-recognized authority in Syria.

Pentagon weighs using force to protect US-backed Islamic terrorist rapists targeted by Russia

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Oct 2015 22:17

Deepening Russian Involvement in Iraq Complicates U.S. Airstrikes on Islamic State

An Iraqi defense ministry spokesman said Monday that his country would be open to Russian intelligence gathering in Iraqi airspace.

The comments came a day after Iraq said it had reached an intelligence-sharing agreement with Russia, the Syrian regime and Iran.

“If Russia needs to participate in aircraft reconnaissance flights, it can make a formal request to the Iraqi government and there will be no objection in my opinion,” said the spokesman, Brig. Gen. Tahseen Ibrahim.

The developments of the past few days signaled a deepening military role for Moscow in Iraq in the midst of a Russian military building in neighboring Syria to prop up President Bashar al-Assad.

Russian officials say “specialists” are on the ground in Syria to help train and equip the president’s forces.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Oct 2015 22:28

Iraq PM says ok for Russia to strike ISIS in Iraq if agreement is reached

Iraq’s top Shiite cleric says fight against Islamic State should be expanded

Iraq’s top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani said on Friday.

"It is important to unite efforts for countering IS and expand the scale of the fight against this group," he stressed. "The fight against Islamic State is the destiny of all Iraqis. However, it is not only their fight. The whole world should fight against this evil because terrorists are against humanity, against culture and morals," al-Sistani said.

Al-Sistani’s speech comes a day after Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi’s statement that Russia can expand its airstrikes to Iraq if Moscow and Baghdad reach a relevant agreement. "This is possible. If such a proposal is made to us, we will consider it, and I will welcome it," al-Abadi told France 24 TV channel.

member_29001 · Post by **member_29001** » 02 Oct 2015 22:29

Something just for fun:
During the Libya crisis, Pravda had coined a term - FUKUS-Axis.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas ... mmunity-0/

member_29001 · Post by **member_29001** » 02 Oct 2015 22:39

Syrian Kurds want Assad to stay.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... ime-falls/

Putin also seems to acknowledge the role of Kurds in the fight against ISIS.
http://rudaw.net/english/world/290920151

Now if only Iran, Iraq and Syria openly support the formation of Kurdistan.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 02 Oct 2015 22:58

UlanBatori wrote:RUAF must be on a tight timetable to finish off the first 3 layers of targets on their list b4 the GOAT starts getting too itchy.

I cannot believe that NATO would start shooting at the RUAF, but then I could not believe back in 2003 that Dubya would be stupid enough to actually invade Eyerak over bogus "WMD". In fact I told someone 2 weeks ahead of the invasion that it was all just bluff, no way anyone could be THAT stupid.

BO may see a big macho benefit in shooting down a few Su-24s, just like Ronald Reagan did. Bottom line: RUAF can bomb whomever Assad says OK to bomb, that is the only UN-recognized authority in Syria.

Pentagon weighs using force to protect US-backed Islamic terrorist rapists targeted by Russia

there's going to be problems, we may have to install a no fly zone over certain areas. unfortunate, but may be necessary. Obama is not an aggressive guy but his hand may be forced. we'll have to wait and see. the US certainly has the capability to enforce this.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Oct 2015 23:04

Twitter pics of Su-30SM in CAP mission and Mi-24P

https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/statu ... 7716836352

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Oct 2015 06:23

deconflicting should be simple unless people go out looking for a fight. the american coalition is launching a bare 10 strikes a day on ISIS in iraq mostly and may 1-2 in raqqa. recon is by drones and satellites. france might on some days send a couple of rafales. nobody else is going anything - KSA and UAE are busy bombing yemen. the skies are not crowded. I believe commercial airlanes have long diverted north or south to avoid syria and caliphate overflying. there was a line in the proposed AI delhi/blr-SFO new flight it would add some time due to need to divert away from iraq and syria. israel has already scurried to make sure they and russians have a phone line.

the crowded skies thing is a CNN/NYT scare tactics. there are more crowded skies over our cities daily. syrian civil aviation must be long at a standstill - I doubt any damascus-raqqa flight operates!

the american trained cia funded moderate terrorists are officially 75 only in syria, maybe more in training inside turkey. of these 75, many might already have defected or joined the refugee train into europe. so in effect they dont really have any footprint on the ground.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 Oct 2015 06:54

Juhani Kaukoranta ‏@jukaukor
@green_lemonnn ISIS and anti-Assad forces do not have airforce - why air cover?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 03 Oct 2015 08:30

NRao wrote:
Juhani Kaukoranta ‏@jukaukor
@green_lemonnn ISIS and anti-Assad forces do not have airforce - why air cover?

We fly air cover also as well as other specialty aircraft. It's only going to get more dangerous.

According to latest news reports Obama is still reticent however, despite pressure from other US politicians.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 08:38

Obama is a foreign policy disaster for US , barring his Iran deal and opening up with Cuba ....his policy on Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan,Ukraine and Syria has been a disaster. Bush screwed up ME for good but Obama has left in far bigger mess

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Oct 2015 09:21

& that is why I said 2-3 yrs ago that Obama as president is good for India. A weak and disorganized but not emasculated US allows for a multipolar world which is good for India

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 09:30

^^ He is not at the stature of Regan to be a visionary on FP and nor does he have a good advisor like Kissenger who can just guide him even if he is not politically astute on FP matters , His red-lines are epic by now and what insider says he has a BIG EGO issue.

When you look at his team like Kerry ,Susan Rice , Thomas , Biden you know this guys wont do well beyond the Election Hope thinge , the guy got elected coz the other guy like Bush and MCaine were perceived far worse.

Trump seems to be the only better guy out there but the Feminist is not far behind either , I think if Hillary gets elected her FP would simply get more worse.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 09:33

NRao wrote:
Juhani Kaukoranta ‏@jukaukor
@green_lemonnn ISIS and anti-Assad forces do not have airforce - why air cover?

CAP is a normal thing in AirOperation , If for some reason the pilot has to eject either due to engine flame out or even ack ack hit , the CAP would direct the CSAR mission more effeciently to the downed crew , There is also a CSAR flying near by.

Helps to keep a bird eye view of airspace and ground ( the SM uses the same BARS-M )

habal · Post by **habal** » 03 Oct 2015 09:44

Many people can stand for elections in USA but ultimately to win the nomination you need to toe the deep state line.

So I think Trump will just dance before public to show them that there is a functional democracy, but he will not get nomination. Nomination will go to some mental case like Fiorina, Sanders, Jeb Bush or someone. If he gets then I would be surprised. In that case prepare for last moment sleaze attack against Trump.

US president's don't make US foreign policy. There are older hands at work in that department. How can johnny come lately who has just 5 year term make contacts with entire military-industrial establishment and force their hand. I don't think any US president has been able to get his way and survived to tell the tale. Kennedy tried. Lincoln tried.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 03 Oct 2015 10:29

TSJones wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:RUAF must be on a tight timetable to finish off the first 3 layers of targets on their list b4 the GOAT starts getting too itchy.
I cannot believe that NATO would start shooting at the RUAF, but then I could not believe back in 2003 that Dubya would be stupid enough to actually invade Eyerak over bogus "WMD". In fact I told someone 2 weeks ahead of the invasion that it was all just bluff, no way anyone could be THAT stupid.
BO may see a big macho benefit in shooting down a few Su-24s, just like Ronald Reagan did. Bottom line: RUAF can bomb whomever Assad says OK to bomb, that is the only UN-recognized authority in Syria.
Pentagon weighs using force to protect US-backed Islamic terrorist rapists targeted by Russia
there's going to be problems, we may have to install a no fly zone over certain areas. unfortunate, but may be necessary. Obama is not an aggressive guy but his hand may be forced. we'll have to wait and see. the US certainly has the capability to enforce this.

US `installs`no fly zones over states that have no air force. Say Libya or Iraq. US doesnt fight where the russkies have their planes up. It will quickly lead to a wider conflict and your internet connectivity might suffer as collateral damage.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 11:00

Rhetoric and Bluster apart , Obama said yesterday when asked about NFZ option he said there was no Easy , Low Cost answer to stop war.

IF they make a NFZ then most likely the ISIL folks and Al-Nusra others will just hide there and will come out when times are better.

Realistically both Iran, Russia , US and GCC have to come to common meeting point and diplomatic solution to end the crisis.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 11:03

Meanwhile Hollande is complaining too

Russia indirectly involved in Syrian conflict by supporting Assad — Hollande

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Oct 2015 11:14

For a guy with 5 rafales in the fight he sure punches above his welterweight category

habal · Post by **habal** » 03 Oct 2015 11:16

5 rafales and 2 mistrales.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Oct 2015 12:00

Singha wrote:For a guy with 5 rafales in the fight he sure punches above his welterweight category

Most of French Military purchase are with GCC Sunni Countries , its logical French would support them , ISIL cannot be destroyed beyond words , Else who will fight assad , the rest of folks funded by GCC have proved useless in fighting him for past 4 years

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 03 Oct 2015 15:53

NRao wrote:
Juhani Kaukoranta ‏@jukaukor
@green_lemonnn ISIS and anti-Assad forces do not have airforce - why air cover?

Tell that to ze amrikis who have been flying the raptor.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Oct 2015 19:05

pro-Hadi armed kabila on the move near aden on coastal highway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-zhabMBA20

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 Oct 2015 19:25

Thakur_B wrote:
Tell that to ze amrikis who have been flying the raptor.

There are other things to worry about. Operation Tehran.

Over Syria wrote: F-22's unrivaled avionics suite can work as a mini RC-135 ELINT aircraft, AWACS, Electronic Attack aircraft and its radar 'imagery' can provide intelligence gathering and targeting for other vastly disparate weapon systems, such as the US Navy's sea and submarine launched BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles.

Some in this world have moved on Sir.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Oct 2015 19:35

^ Looks like they have raided Saudi stores and taken their shoes.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Oct 2015 20:15

^ the pro-Hadi kabila is paid for by saudis and UAE. there is also another kabila the AQ in the eastern provinces of yemen who have also seeped into Aden, for now they might play ball with Hadi, while sharpening their knife for later.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 03 Oct 2015 21:57

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Juhani Kaukoranta ‏@jukaukor
@green_lemonnn ISIS and anti-Assad forces do not have airforce - why air cover?

Not to sideline the thread, but taliban has no airfarce or navy why f16 with anraams for tsp and orions with harpoons for pn? When was the last time we saw a ttns destroyer?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 08:43

Russian air strikes create panic among terrorists in Syria - General Staff

Russian combat aircraft have carried out over 60 sorties bombing 50 facilities of the Islamic State terrorist organisation in Syria, Col Gen Andrey Kartapolov of the General Staff told reporters on Saturday.

"The aircraft have been taking off from the Hmeimim air base, targeting the whole Syria," Gen Kartapolov said at the National Defence Control Centre. "In the past three days we have managed to disrupt the terrorists’ infrastructure and to substantially degrade their combat capabilities."

"Intelligence reports say that militants are leaving the areas under their control," he said.

"There is panic and desertion among their ranks," the general said. "Nearly 600 mercenaries have abandoned their positions and are making attempts to get out to Europe."

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 08:45

US notifies Russia just terrorists are in area of Russian air strikes in Syria

MOSCOW, October 3. /TASS/. The United States has notified Russia’s Defence Ministry that nobody but terrorists were in the area targeted by Russian aviation, Col-Gen Andrey Kartapolov of the Russian General Staff has told reporters.

"The U.S. has notified us during contacts that there was no-one but terrorists in that region," Kartapolov said at the National Defence Control Centre (NDCC) noting Russia had announced about the start of air strikes in advance.

"The U.S. military attach· to Iraq was the first to be informed by our representative in Baghdad Gen Kuralenko on Wednesday morning," he said adding that the information had been delivered to the U.S. side through diplomatic channels as well.

During these contacts we recommended that all the instructors and advisors should leave the region alongside valuable specialists who had been trained for the U.S. taxpayers’ money. We also recommended that all flying vehicles and aircraft should cancel their flights in the area of the operation of Russian combat planes," the general said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Oct 2015 08:52

>> we recommended that all the instructors and advisors should leave the region alongside valuable specialists who had been trained for the U.S. taxpayers’ money

what legitimate work does US instructors and advisors have in that cesspool of vipers with 300 jihadi offshoot fronts and the main ISIS?

looks like Rus is well aware of what these non-ISIS/good-taliban fronts were being used for and some blunt talking took place.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 09:02

Singha , Every one is aware of US and GCC support to ISIS , They dont just get well armed and trained and funded like Manna falling from Heaven.
Its not just like that 70-80 well trained US Good Terrorist end up with the Bad One Post training , There is a plan and its according to it. Remember large US arms dropped to Kurds falling in ISIS area and bloops its a mistake.

But no one has the courage to tell US or GCC they should stop that , All one needs is courage to Speak the Truth

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Oct 2015 09:05

ISIS allegedly has around 80,000 men on the payroll now. if you include camp followers and women, the number could be 150,000.
I am not sure how they continue to trade in oil and earn money on a operating cash flow basis...since every surrounding country officially does not want to have ties with them.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 04 Oct 2015 09:13

All these things seem to be aimed at defeating Assad which they have not managed. So, it actually shows that Amirkhan has weakened. BTW, it was an open secret about the nature of ISIS.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Oct 2015 09:19

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 09:35

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 09:37

Obama: Russia heading for 'quagmire' in Syria

In the absence of that, he warned that Russia's air campaign against Syria would only lead to further bloodshed for the war-torn country and bog down Moscow.

Russia, he predicted during a White House press conference, would get stuck in a "quagmire," adding, "It just won't work, and they're going to stay there for a while."

Saying Syria's civil war doesn't directly involve the United States -- but instead pits Assad's forces against rebel groups -- Obama admitted elements of his strategy had failed. A plan to train and equip opposition forces, which resulted in only a handful of trainees, "did not work the way it was supposed to," Obama said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 09:38

White House Press Secretary Warned of Rise in Extremism in Russia if Bombing Continues .

I wonder if CIA is planning some acts of Domestic Terrorism in Russia and then blame it on Russia bombing in Syria ?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 09:39

Egyptian Foreign Ministry: Russian air operation in Syria will help eradicate terrorism

http://ria.ru/arab_sy/20151004/1296363576.html

CAIRO, October 4th - RIA Novosti, Rafael Daminov. Aircraft operations videoconferencing with Russia attacking objects group "Islamic State" in Syria contribute to the eradication of terrorism in this country, said Saturday the head of Egyptian diplomacy, Sameh Shoukry.

According to him, the information obtained in the course of Cairo direct contacts with Moscow, "testifies to the attention given to Russia against terrorism and limit its spread in Syria."

"Russia's accession to its potential and opportunities in this struggle, in our judgment, to limit the influence of terrorism in Syria, and its eradication," - said Shukri in an interview to the Saudi television channel "Al Arabiya".

Statement by Minister of Foreign Affairs of Egypt was the first official reaction to the recent Cairo Russia's actions in Syria.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 04 Oct 2015 10:53

johneeG wrote:BTW, it was an open secret about the nature of ISIS.

Maybe an open secret to you and me, but certainly not to US and British audiences. Even mainland Europeans still seem very supportive of US policy on Syria and uncritical of US\western designs for the region. I would venture most Indian audiences are being fooled as well.

We're all informed and cynical on BR, but from what I can tell even most educated Indians believe whatever our western-controlled media reports. Just like American audiences.