The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Dec 2015 20:04

..here is not syria or palestine. Here is silopi in turkey. Turkish soldiers are on the street for killing kurds..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2015 20:35

The Qataris in Iraq desert were hunting party with falcons. BBC had a report that the kidnappers wee Shia and upset with Qatari support To Sunni terrorists in Syria.

So blowback.

Also same BBC had report from TSP that they are surprised to be included in the Coalition of the Unwilling rustled up by KSA.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Dec 2015 22:27

India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution

India will participate in operations against the Islamic State only if this is under the UN flag, Defence minister Manohar Parrikar said on Wednesday.

Parrikar, who has returned after a crucial meeting with his US counterpart Ashton Carter in Washington, also said that India has been sharing intelligence on the ISIS and it will be enhanced.

“We have made it clear that if there is a UN resolution and if there is UN flag and a UN mission, then as per India’s policy to operate under UN flag, we will participate,” Parrikar told reporters at India Gate after laying wreath at the Amar Jawan Jyoti on Vijay Diwas.

He was replying to questions on the possibility of India’s participation in operations against the ISIS. Asked specifically if India will operate against the ISIS under the UN flag, he said, “that depends on whether UN takes a resolution”.

India had earlier this month, along with major world economies, participated in the first-ever global meeting held in Paris to discuss and evolve mechanisms to combat the clandestine and largely undetected terrorist financing network of the Islamic State terror group.

Indian security establishment suggests that around 20 Indians are currently fighting for ISIS in Iraq-Syria. They include two youths from Kalyan in the outskirts of Mumbai, an Australia-based Kashmiri, one youth from Telangana, one from Karnataka, one Oman-based Indian and another Singapore-based Indian.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 16 Dec 2015 22:39

chaanakya wrote:India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution

India will participate in operations against the Islamic State only if this is under the UN flag, Defence minister Manohar Parrikar said on Wednesday.

Parrikar, who has returned after a crucial meeting with his US counterpart Ashton Carter in Washington, also said that India has been sharing intelligence on the ISIS and it will be enhanced.

“We have made it clear that if there is a UN resolution and if there is UN flag and a UN mission, then as per India’s policy to operate under UN flag, we will participate,” Parrikar told reporters at India Gate after laying wreath at the Amar Jawan Jyoti on Vijay Diwas.

He was replying to questions on the possibility of India’s participation in operations against the ISIS. Asked specifically if India will operate against the ISIS under the UN flag, he said, “that depends on whether UN takes a resolution”.

India had earlier this month, along with major world economies, participated in the first-ever global meeting held in Paris to discuss and evolve mechanisms to combat the clandestine and largely undetected terrorist financing network of the Islamic State terror group.

Indian security establishment suggests that around 20 Indians are currently fighting for ISIS in Iraq-Syria. They include two youths from Kalyan in the outskirts of Mumbai, an Australia-based Kashmiri, one youth from Telangana, one from Karnataka, one Oman-based Indian and another Singapore-based Indian.

Think it was uncalled for. keep our cards to ourselves without forgetting that we have Shia population. Western countries loos nothing. They can come out of any commitment as they wish. They can kill Shias openly or otherwise with proxies. But for India that is not the case.There is a reason why MEA is silent on this.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 16 Dec 2015 22:43

chaanakya wrote:India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution

If there is a major rejig of middle eastern nations borders, let India too get preferential treatment in spoils (even as a protector to a few new kingdoms). Bharath was immersed (even sacrificed millions) in 2 World Wars, but got zlich. This time the situation may be different.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Dec 2015 22:54

kmkraoind wrote:
chaanakya wrote:[url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/ind ... AfX6J.html]India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution[/urlIf there is a major rejig of middle eastern nations borders, let India too get preferential treatment in spoils (even as a protector to a few new kingdoms). Bharath was immersed (even sacrificed millions) in 2 World Wars, but got zlich. This time the situation may be different.

Without IA playing it's part, British would not have been able to fixing ME borders in last big war.
Best if it is United States of Syria and Kurdistan providing base for IA to cut the gonars of Paki Munna's Abbu Tooki. India have to make move as China is making inroads in shadow of Russia.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Dec 2015 03:24

http://news.yahoo.com/us-withdrawing-12 ... 11803.html
US withdrawing 12 warplanes from Turkish air base

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is withdrawing a dozen warplanes from a Turkish air base, barely a month after they arrived to help Turkey protect its air space and to conduct strikes against Islamic State targets in Syria and Iraq, officials said Wednesday.The decision was announced by U.S. European Command in Germany one day after Defense Secretary Ash Carter visited Incirlik Air Base, where the six F-15 Eagles and six F-15 Strike Eagles arrived last month from their home base in Britain. A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, told reporters that the timing was a coincidence.The U.S. intends to replace six of the departing F-15s with a like number of additional A-10s, according to a senior U.S. defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deployment has not been announced.Some coalition partners have expressed a willingness to send more planes to Incirlik before the end of January, the senior U.S. defense official said. That would push the total number of coalition warplanes at Incirlik back to, and possibly above, the total of 59 that were based there before the F-15s began leaving Wednesday, the official said.When Turkey agreed earlier this year to permit the U.S. to conduct airstrikes against the Islamic State with planes based at Incirlik, the Pentagon touted the decision as an important milestone. It shortened the time and distance required to conduct airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, compared with strikes flown from bases in the Persian Gulf area.At the beginning of September there were 15 coalition aircraft based at Incirlik as part of the counter-IS coalition.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Dec 2015 04:00

Argument for "global passport" (which of course can be faked just as well..): ISIS has revolutionized world travel

Misses the point that 'preferential treatment' for certain passports is based on the perceived low risk that the holder wants to overstay visa etc., not whether holder wants to inflate pickup trucks. So this will just be an added intrusion into the lives of innocents, with very little added benefit.

A global biometric requirement will simply make it much harder and more expensive for people from less advanced/more free nations to travel. The other kind already have all their info mapped by their guvrmands.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 04:25

Posted earlier and now the Turkish MP who out-ted the news is being charged with treason.

Satya_anveshi wrote:EXCLUSIVE: Sarin materials brought via Turkey & mixed in Syrian ISIS camps – Turkish MP to RT - Dec 14, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/325825-sarin-gas-syria-turkey/

The main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) member, Erdem, brought up the issue for public discussion in parliament last week, citing evidence from an abruptly-closed criminal case. He accused Ankara of failing to investigate Turkish supply routes used to provide terrorists with toxic sarin gas ingredients.

“There is data in this indictment. Chemical weapon materials are being brought to Turkey and being put together in Syria in camps of ISIS which was known as Iraqi Al Qaeda during that time," Erdem told RT.

Sarin gas is a military-grade chemical that was used in a notorious attack on Ghouta and several other neighborhoods near the Syrian capital of Damascus in 2013. The attacks were pinned on the Syrian leadership, who in turn agreed to get rid of all chemical weapons stockpiles under a UN-brokered deal amid an imminent threat of US intervention.

Addressing parliamentarians on Thursday, Erdem showed a copy of the criminal case number 2013/120 that was opened by the General Prosecutor's Office in the city of Adana in southern Turkey.

The investigation revealed that a number of Turkish citizens took part in negotiations with Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) representatives on the supply of sarin gas. Pointing to evidence cited in the criminal case, he said that wiretapped phone conversations proved that an Al-Qaeda militant, Hayyam Kasap, acquired sarin.

This opens up interesting complications in an already complex theater, say, ISIS uses it on US, German, Russian, Turkish or even the base case, which is usage on Syrian/Iranian/Lebanese forces, then how each of these might respond to the event or the possibility of that event.

Turkish MP faces treason charges after telling RT ISIS used Turkey for transiting sarin - Dec 16, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/326084-erdem-rt ... w-treason/

A treason investigation has been launched against a Turkish MP who alleged in an exclusive interview with RT that Islamic State jihadists delivered deadly sarin gas to Syria through Turkey.
Ankara’s Chief Prosecutor's Office opened the case against Istanbul MP Eren Erdem of Republican People's Party (CHP) after his interview about sarin was aired on RT on Monday.

"Chemical weapon materials were brought to Turkey and put together in ISIS camps in Syria, which was known as the Iraqi Al-Qaeda at that time."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 04:32

Moscow says Turkey poses ‘real threat’ to Russia, relations with Ankara ‘won’t be same as before’ - Dec16, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/326124-ankara-r ... forecasts/

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 04:53

Earlier a truck from Houston,Tx landed in Syria and used by ISIS and now the below news:

Gun Used in Paris Attacks Came Through Notorious Florida Dealer
http://sputniknews.com/us/20151217/1031 ... orida.html

A Florida-based firm purchased an M92 Kalashnikov-style short carbine from the Zastava Arms factory, the same location that produced eight other weapons used in the terror acts in Paris. The M92 assault carbine, a “shortened Kalashnikov,” was sold to Century International Arms, a family-owned arms dealer in Delray Beach, Florida, according to Milojko Brzakovic, the head of the Zastava factory, as told to the Associated Press.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2015 06:03

So maybe there is an arms smuggling chain from US to the badlands?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 06:44

perhaps black market modder shops also restore the full-auto mode for clients willing to pay. mehico is also awash with gangs fielding full-auto weapons and fighting a civil war with the federal govt. colombian cartels are also heavily armed and have the logistics to move stuff globally.

police and customs will be on lookout for contraband coming in, not going out.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Dec 2015 06:49

“shortened Kalashnikov,” was sold to Century International Arms, a family-owned arms dealer in Delray Beach, Florida,

Some time back there was a report about GOTUS buying up all the stocks of ammo for AK-47s, plus maybe all the AKs they could find? I never understood the logic of that - it was causing takleef for bissful gun owners who only wanted to hunt deer with those.

Why buy ammo if one does not have Deserving Moderate Extremist gun owners to grant them to?

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 17 Dec 2015 07:14

So maybe there is an arms smuggling chain from **** to the badlands?

No arms, only kosher dog food.

(Very old news) Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq, hidden in large sacks of dog food (Source: ABC News)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 07:50

http://www.allaboutaddiction.com/addict ... ug_war.jpg

this is kind of kit available 1 mile south of the tijuana and juarez border. if you search for "mexican drug gang" on google images, there are lots of pics of dismembered limbs, beheaded people and piles of bodies. their kill count is very high.

the colombians will be a few notches above and on lines of a 'proper' field army.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 08:04

about coalition of terrorists:
US says

"We look forward to learning more about what Saudi Arabia has in mind in terms of this coalition," US Defense Secretary Ash Carter told journalists in Turkey. "But in general, it appears it is very much in line with something we’ve been urging for quite some time, which is greater involvement in the campaign to combat ISIL by Sunni Arab countries."

A turkish analyst says:

"For Saudi Arabia, the main terrorists are Shiites. At the same time, the large number of groups with Wahhabi ideology are not considered terrorists by the Saudis," Tastekin told Sputnik.

Indonesia says:

Indonesia has expressed alarm over a statement from Saudi Arabia’s Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, in which he described the partnership as an "Islamic military coalition."
"We don’t want to join a military alliance," Indonesia’s Chief Security Minister Luhut Pandjaitan told Reuters.

Indonesia’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Armanatha Nasir elaborated, saying that Saudi Arabia had previously argued for the establishment of a "center to coordinate against extremism and terrorism," without mentioning any military aspects.

"…What Saudi Arabia has announced is a military alliance," Nasir told Reuters. "It is thus important for Indonesia to first have details before deciding to support it."

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Dec 2015 08:37

Northern Latakia border with Turkey has seen some important gains for SAA and also some payback by RuAF.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syr ... es-turkey/

Russians deliver a devastating blow to Turkey as the Syrian Army captures large parts of northern Latakia
BY LEITH FADEL ON DECEMBER 17, 2015 FEATURED

Last month in the Latakia Governorate’s northern countryside, the Turkish Air Force committed a fatal error inside this coastal province when they decided to shoot down a Russian SU-24 fighter jet that was flying over the Turkmen Mountains.

The Turkish Government alleged they repeatedly warned the Russian fighter jet that it was violating Turkish airspace before they made the decision to shoot it down from their F-16 warplane; however, Russian military officials later revealed that the Russian SU-24 was actually shot down while it was operating inside Syria’s borders.

Since this turbulent confrontation in northern Syria, the Russian Federation has struck back against the Turkish regime with an increase of aerial activity on the Turkish-Syrian border and an influx of airstrikes over the Turkmen Mountains (Jabal Al-Turkmen).

As a result of their increased aerial activity in the Latakia Governorate, the Russian Air Force has propelled the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and their allies across several kilometers of territory that was previously under the control of the Turkish-backed Islamist rebels for nearly three years.

On Wednesday, the Syrian Arab Army’s 103rd Brigade of the Republican – in coordination with the National Defense Forces (NDF), the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP), and Muqawama Souri (Syrian Resistance) – imposed full control over the strategic mountains of Jabal Al-Nuba and the imperative hilltops of Point 793 and Shayr Al-Sahaab that overlook the Idlib Governorate.

The Russian Federation has delivered its most effective response to the Turkish regime for downing their fighter jet via the Syrian Arab Army; and in truth, this has proven to be the most damaging response yet.

The Turkish Army has been forced to watch the Syrian Arab Army capture large parts of northern Latakia and the Turkish border without being able to respond because the Russians are watching closely and they are well-armed with their anti-aircraft missiles.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Dec 2015 08:48

Erdogan plays checkers, Putin plays chess..

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Dec 2015 09:40

The Brits want to join the Soothi "camel corps"

Golly,its a re-run of "Orenz of Arabia" starring daffy CaMoron in the lead role!

Britain could send 'substantial' number of non-combat troops to support war on Isis in Syria
Philip Hammond signals that the UK is ready to support a new Saudi-led Islamic military coalition
Nigel Morris Deputy Political Editor

The Foreign Secretary repeated the Government’s opposition to deploying soldiers in combat roles Getty Images

Britain could send a “very substantial” number of non-combat troops to Syria to support fighters attempting to halt the advance of Isis, the Foreign Secretary has said.

Philip Hammond signalled that the UK was ready to support a new Saudi-led Islamic military coalition which has been set up to combat the jihadist forces controlling wide areas of Syria and Iraq.

Mr Hammond repeated the Government’s opposition to deploying soldiers in combat roles, but told MPs it had not ruled out supplying British logistics, surveillance and intelligence support for forces confronting Isis. The UK could “provide a very substantial reinforcement to any troops that were deployed on the ground”, he said.
Read more
Saudi Arabia forms Muslim anti-terror coalition - without mention Isis

In a Commons statement he said there were no reports of civilians being killed by British air strikes in Syria or Iraq. The Foreign Secretary also warned that Russian air strikes in Syria in the past two weeks had mainly targeted forces challenging President Bashar al-Assad’s regime. Its intervention had enabled Isis “to seek advantage on the ground”, he said.

Using another name for Isis, Mr Hammond protested it was “unacceptable that Russian action is weakening the opposition and thus giving advantage to the very Daesh forces they claim to be against”.

Mr Hammond said: “The truth is we simply don’t know what the Russian strategy is... and actually my assessment is most people in the Russian system don’t know.”

*Glorious Brit analysis,...nobody knows anything,yet they're willing to stain the desert sands yet again.

vina · Post by **vina** » 17 Dec 2015 09:41

UlanBatori wrote:Erdogan plays checkers, Putin plays chess..

And Obama is the Pigeon who knocks over the chess pieces, sh*ts on the board, and then struts around thinking it has won the game!

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2015 10:15

Putin's message to Obama ?

http://madworldnews.com/putins-message-obama-airbase/#

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 17 Dec 2015 10:36

Well, well, well, how times change:

US Not Seeking 'Regime Change' in Syria, John Kerry Says After Meeting With Russian President

And guess who was on hand to have her nose rubbed in the dirt at that meeting?

The infamous Victoria Nuland of course. She would not be a happy person I bet. Look at the expression on the faces of the US delegation including Kerry observing that handshake!!

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2015 10:45

Kerry & Co are snakes, you trust them, you lose.
It's as simple as that.

In other news ..

chaotic aftermath of Russian airstrike on ISIS tankers

Erdogan supporters on twitter want to blame it all on Turkish air chief.

Accounts on Twitter belonging to supporters of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan have turned their ire on the Commander General of Turkey's Air Force, Abidin Unal, blaming him for the shooting down of Russia's Su-24 bomber last month.

http://m.sputniknews.com/middleeast/201 ... chief.html

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 11:06

habal wrote:Kerry & Co are snakes, you trust them, you lose.
It's as simple as that.

It is undoubtedly taqiyaa...but russians totally get it and respond to it.

Russians have (im)politely remarked that we are not stupid to not understand that 'assad must go' and 'political transition' are the same thing.

and btw your president was saying that russia is isolated. If you are here multiple times without our invitation you would still call that isolation?

US could also be desperate to give the NYC Syria meeting some legitimacy and wanted Russians to attend. Russians were not quite warm to the NYC meeting saying previous agreed actions must be fulfilled and no need for fresh meeting.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 11:36

jokerry and nolund doing taqiyya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpJspn1rgU

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 17 Dec 2015 11:59

Hmm... That hand-shake photo is not good for Pigeon-legionaries. Smt Nuland appears visibly churlish and unprofessional, considering she is to look after the interests of the US in Europe and not a participant in some kind of sandbox fight at the kindergarten. Particulary since she is dealing with someone who is not agreeing to her POV or action on that part of the world. Wish the US SD has someone more objective in this sort of sensitive posts. She is looking more and more like that horse-breeder who slept over Hurricane Katrina.

Shree Lavarov, with his more measured statements, is looking more and more like the Secretary of State for both US and Russia

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Dec 2015 12:41

Shree Lavarov, with his more measured statements, is looking more and more like the Secretary of State for both US and Russia

The Soviets/Russia had some remarkable diplomats,Ignatieff,Semyenov,Gromyko,Dobrynin,Primakov,Polyakov,Rogozin, to name a few. Russian diplomats and ambassadors are not given to hyperventilating and hurling abuse like some infamous US ones.Mad Bright for instance..."India has shot itself in the foot".,after P-2. Then we've had the unofficial Paki ambassador to the US,"
Jaws" ,Robin Raphel,who was in the news recently for being "outed" as a Paki lover. Some US diplomats show scorn of the countries in which they are posted and make themselves obnoxious.However there have been some great US diplomutts too.For all his chicanery,Henry K is a veritable genius.Kenneth Galbraith was a v.good ambassador to India too. Post CW diplomutts appear not to have the quality of "gravitas" that the legendary figures had.More's the pity. We had a real past master in Dixit.He could hold his own anywhere.

Ha!Ha! The Turksish Sultan gets his "curtain call" from the Yanquis after JoKerry went to Russia.
https://www.rt.com/news/326172-us-turkey-troops-iraq/

US calls on Turkey to withdraw ‘unauthorized’ troops from Iraq
Published time: 17 Dec, 2015 01:43

The US has urged Turkey to withdraw its “unauthorized” military forces from northern Iraq, calling on Ankara to respect the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

US Vice President Joe Biden has spoken to Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi regarding Turkey’s troop deployments.

“The Vice President reaffirmed the United States’ commitment to Iraqi sovereignty and territorial integrity and called on Turkey to do the same by withdrawing any military forces from Iraqi territory that have not been authorized by the Iraqi government,” the White House said in a statement.

The call between Biden and al-Abadi came two days after the Vice President’s talk with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

READ MORE: Turkish troops injured, 7 Kurds killed in ISIS rocket attack on base in northern Iraq

Stressing Washington’s commitment to close cooperation with both Iraq and Turkey in the fight against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), Biden urged Ankara to continue its dialogue with Baghdad.

“The Vice President reiterated that any foreign military presence in Iraq must be with the full consent of the Iraq government,” read a statement from the White House on December 14.

Relations between Ankara and Baghdad began to unravel following Turkey’s December 4 deployment of about 150 soldiers backed by artillery and around 25 tanks to Camp Bashiqa, a base near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul that is controlled by IS. The move was protested by both the Iraqi government and thousands of its citizens across the country.

Thousands of Iraqis protest against #Turkey’s troop deployment in north https://t.co/j8xmjUqcA9pic.twitter.com/eGw4VTP7nF
— RT (@RT_com) December 13, 2015

At first, Ankara claimed that it had sent its military forces to northern Iraq because of a threat presented by IS to Turkish military instructors training anti-terrorist forces in the area.

Turkey also insisted that the move had been conducted at the invitation of the Iraqi government and fully complied with previous agreements between Ankara and Baghdad.

However, the deployment was considered “an incursion” by Iraq, which accused Turkey of breaching its sovereignty.

‘Incursion’: Baghdad demands Turkey withdraw ‘training’ troops from northern Iraq https://t.co/3LrcuopB0xpic.twitter.com/ApcgxS1AEH
— RT (@RT_com) December 5, 2015

Demanding that Ankara withdraw its troops within 48 hours, the Iraqi government urged NATO to get involved, saying that it was the alliance’s responsibility to “use its authority to urge Turkey to withdraw immediately.”

Despite Turkey’s president saying that a withdrawal was “out of the question” on December 10, the Turkish military started pulling out some of its troops on December 14.

‘Out of question’: #Erdogan rules out Turkish troop withdrawal from Iraq https://t.co/EKF09hAjpMpic.twitter.com/NT9Hia3wOn
— RT (@RT_com) December 11, 2015 *(what is he going to say now? NO to the US?)

Washington welcomed the withdrawal as “an important step to de-escalate recent tensions.”

The US State Department had said earlier that the conflict was a just a “dispute between Turkey and Iraq” over “a small number of troops.”
Russia slammed Turkey’s troop positioning just days into the conflict, calling such “presence unacceptable.”

“An additional and extremely dangerous factor promoting international tensions is the unlawful presence of the Turkish armed forces on Iraqi territory near the city of Mosul, which arrived there without a request and approval of the legitimate government of Iraq,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Speaking to Italian media last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov questioned Ankara’s real goals.

“We need to examine how a member of the US-led coalition – the Republic of Turkey – performs goals set by the coalition,” Lavrov said. “Why is it not bombing terrorists as such, but the Kurds instead?”

Arab League condemns Turkish ‘intervention’ in N. Iraq https://t.co/msuBMbMYw3pic.twitter.com/SmKyxtrZ9o
— RT (@RT_com) December 6, 2015

On Wednesday, Islamic State militants launched an attack on Camp Bashiqa, killing seven Kurds and injuring some Turkish troops. According to a report on a Kurdish news website, the Slemani Times, over 70 Turkish soldiers went missing after the attack. However, the information was not immediately confirmed.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Dec 2015 13:52

ISIS and its supporters (those who armed and funded them) made this happen:

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isi ... -dungeons/

SIS kept Ezidi sex slaves locked in dungeons 0
BY CHRIS TOMSON ON DECEMBER 17, 2015 MIDDLE EAST, FEATURED

With recent Kurdish advances near Hasakah in northern Syria, the YPG has discovered what seems to be an extensive ISIS underground network of prison cells which are believed to have held Ezidi women who were captured by ISIS fighters near the Sinjar-area in northern Iraq. They were imprisoned in tiny confined rooms.

Small panels on the surface of the northern Syrian desert are the only hint of the horror that lies underneath. Brutal ISIS militants are thought to have kept these Ezidi women, some as young as 12-years old, locked in horrific conditions while keeping them close to the frontline as to have them at the jihadists’ disposal.

The women would have had barely any space to move and would have spent hours in complete darkness. Despite this, heartbreaking images show how the prisoners drew on the walls, keeping a diary of their horrifying time locked up. One childlike drawing appears to show a large house with a car and animals outside.

It is not known what happened to the women believed to have been kept in the brutal dungeon. Sadly, they are still believed to be in ISIS custody as they have likely been withdrawn to other Islamic State strongholds in Syria due to a large-scale Kurdish offensive in Hasakah governorate.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 18:32

yazidi militia will shut some isis there with hungry rats once all is done with.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Dec 2015 18:58

kmkraoind wrote:
chaanakya wrote:India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution
If there is a major rejig of middle eastern nations borders, let India too get preferential treatment in spoils (even as a protector to a few new kingdoms). Bharath was immersed (even sacrificed millions) in 2 World Wars, but got zlich. This time the situation may be different.

this is one major landmine that I thought that this govt would have the brains to sidestep.

we have no dog in this fight and even if we poke our noses into this fiasco, we will invite serious trouble at home. this is a self created aa byle, mujhe maar situation.

the effing baboo(n)s who are advising our dumbo politicians should be castrated. The amrekis are behind this mad hatter's scheme.

put your head down and keep pumping up the economy.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Dec 2015 19:35

Justification of splitting Syria and Iraq - extreme views? A trial balloon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 73761.html

Why it's time to grant Isis diplomatic recognition
When pariah states are brought into the international system, they become subject to constraints. Consider the USSR
Vadim Nikitim

...
For three years following the revolution of 1917, the US, UK and France believed they could defeat the spread of Communism in Russia with force. Thousands of troops were deployed to fight against the Red Army in a brutal and confusing civil war, to no avail. When Vladimir Lenin finally proclaimed the creation of the USSR in 1922, Western powers refused to accept it.

Shunned by the international community, the Bolsheviks acted in much the same way as Isis do now. Thousands of churches and priceless historical artefacts were destroyed in the name of an extremist ideology. Firing squads roamed the countryside brutally executing enemies of the regime. Similarly to Isis, Russia’s new rulers recognised neither the legitimacy of neighbouring governments nor the sanctity of their borders. For example, the Communist International explicitly sought to export world revolution and sponsored armed uprisings in Germany, Hungary and Estonia.

...

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Isis exists, and wishful thinking cannot will it away. As with the war on drugs, which has singularly failed to curb either use or trafficking, the international bombing campaign has done little to stop the self-described Caliphate from attaining the core principles of statehood. It now controls significant territory, governs a population of up to 10 million, operates an increasingly sophisticated civil service bureaucracy and has largely established a monopoly on violence. Only by accepting reality and extending diplomatic recognition to Isis can the West hope to gain a credible means to moderate and constrain its further advance. The Soviet scenario is now the least worst option: it is time to forge a long peace with militant Islam.
...

Comments are interesting:

The purpose for which "ISIS"/Daesh was made, is to divide up Iraqi and Syrian territory (as well as the territories of other Arab states), in keeping with the Zionist strategy articulated by Oded Yinon, and earlier by Bernard Lewis. Now that the Iraqi 'Popular Mobilization' and Kurdish Peshmerga forces are pushing "ISIS"/Daesh back in Iraq, and the Syrian Army, Hizbullah and Russia are pushing it out of Syria, the plan is failing. Both Syria and Iraq are badly bruised and bloodied, but intact.

What to do? What to do? That's where this trial balloon comes in: recognize "ISIS"/Daesh as a state.

First, this would impose the legal fragmentation of Iraq and Syria that the military aggressions have failed to accomplish. The Syrian government's liberation of "ISIS"/Daesh"-held Syrian territory would then be legally defined as invasion and a war crime against a recognized state. From a legal point of view, until now Syria's President Assad and his government have represented the forces of legitimacy against the criminal actions of the Zio-American empire, its co-conspirators and its proxies. But by recognizing Daesh as a state, any Syrian territory liberated by government forces would be defined as foreign-occupied, until its "liberation" by Daesh and any foreign troops invited by the terrorists.

Second, as a supposed state, this Zio-American proxy would have the legal right to sign treaties and contracts with 'other' governments, and to invite foreign military intervention. As a terrorist gang, obviously, they don't have that right. Thus, so far, all the US, European, Turkish and Israeli aggressions constitute clear-cut war crimes, though nobody's been prosecuted.

Of course, all this presumes that the Zio-American empire and its vassals can violate international law with complete immunity, while using that same international law selectively and in a totally self-serving way. So far, that's been the case. But things could change.

Oh dear, Vadim Nikitim. Have you done ANY research into ISIS at all?

"History shows that diplomatic recognition of extremist governments can make them more likely to moderate their behaviour."

The only problem with that ridiculous theory as it applies to ISIS, is that ISIS do not recognise the UN at all and would not ever accept any recognition by a political body that they do not recognise. They solely, only and exclusively recognise Allah as the only authority and the Phd educated Doctor of Islamic Studies who runs ISIS, applies the word of Allah, as strictly as possible according to the Qu'ran and the Haddiths of the Sunnah. No amount of human hand-wringing by ignorant liberal-progressives will change how Caliph, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi will implement Sharia as dictated by Allah through his messenger.

So you can be as ignorant and foolish as you like writing this tripe, but all it does is show that you have no knowlege or understanding of ISIS at all, that you have never seriously investigated the reality of how ISIS society is implemented, what their goals are, or what they believe or why they believe it. It is a completely ignorant polemic from start to finish.

I don't know who wrote this bilge but they clearly haven't read any history books. The USSR didn't actively try to overthrow Western governments did they? What absolute rot!

I reckon this whole article was written for a bet, to see how many people would take the bait.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 17 Dec 2015 19:50

Jhujar wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/us-withdrawing-12 ... 11803.html
US withdrawing 12 warplanes from Turkish air base

US getting out of the way? Russian retaliation against Turkey coming?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 17 Dec 2015 20:03

The Soviets/Russia had some remarkable diplomats,Ignatieff,Semyenov,Gromyko,Dobrynin,Primakov,Polyakov,Rogozin, to name a few. Russian diplomats and ambassadors are not given to hyperventilating and hurling abuse like some infamous US ones.Mad Bright for instance..."India has shot itself in the foot".,after P-2. Then we've had the unofficial Paki ambassador to the US,

Dobrynin and Gromyko nothing to compare. But Primakov was useless. he wanted to bring Russia into NATO. Always drunk. But you forgot very best Soviet Union ever produced : Molotov. he was the only person who shook hand with Stalin,hitler,churchil and Roosvelt (perhaps gandhi as well).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 20:10

Was the Molotov cocktail his spare time inventions?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 20:21

Joint Turkish Kurd base of Bashiq near Mosul was bombarded by Isis grad rockets and then hit with a heavy attack using vbied also.

Kurds lost 4 senior officers and around 60 Kia in exchange for some 100 Isis Kia.

Whatever artillery the Turks have onsite is bombarding the Isis now.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 17 Dec 2015 20:39

Singha wrote:Whatever artillery the Turks have onsite is bombarding the Isis now.

Yeah, sure it is.

Soon to be very relevant question: can Russia maintain Syrian ops even if Turkey closes the straits? Is the Baltic-Med naval route sufficient?

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Dec 2015 20:51

The US backing of moderate terrorists is unraveled some more with Jordan listing some of them as terrorists:

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports ... -at-jordan

The Nour al-Din al-Zenki faction in Aleppo criticized Amman following reports the country would blacklist the rebel group.

BEIRUT – A powerful rebel group in Aleppo which in the past received weapons from the US has lashed out at Jordan following reports Amman would include the faction in a list of terror groups it is preparing for upcoming Syria peace talks.

“Jordan should review its policy which is in keeping with Syrian intelligence’s philosophy of designating everyone who fights Assad as a terrorist and forgetting the Shiite militias of criminality,” a spokesperson for the Nour al-Din al-Zenki group said in an angry statement on Twitter.

Captain Abdul-Salam Ahmad Abdul-Razzaq added that “Jordan should be brief and say that the Syrian people are terrorists and that the regime and the criminal militias are the victim.”

During the November Vienna talks on Syria, Jordan was tasked with formulating a list of terrorist groups in the war-torn country that would be the target of mutually agreed upon airstrikes by the rival powers currently intervening in the conflict.

The US and Russia have been engaged in a flurry of talks aimed at brokering a ceasefire in Syria that would be followed by a joint campaign against ISIS and other groups included in the Jordanian-coordinated blacklist.

Amman has made no public statements on the terrorist list, however Syrian opposition media has been abuzz over reports it would include the independent Nour al-Din al-Zenki insurgents as well as the hardline Islamist Ahrar al-Sham rebel group.

Ahrar al-Sham joined the Saudi-brokered effort to unify the Syrian opposition ahead of the planned January peace talks, while Nour al-Din al-Zenki announced its support for the Riyadh accord that calls on opposition factions to select a delegation to negotiate with the Assad regime.

Nour al-Din al-Zenki is one of the largest rebel groups operating around Aleppo, with the Institute for the Study of War classifying it as one of only twelve groups in Syria that is a “powerbroker," or faction powerful enough to determine “the success of military operations against either the Syrian regime or ISIS.”

The rebel group has been reportedly financed and armed by the Turkey-based Military Operation Center that is supervised by the US Central Intelligence Agency. Starting from 2014, Nour al-Din al-Zenki was one of a number of Aleppo insurgent factions armed with US-manufactured TOW anti-tank missiles.

However, the current status of Nour al-Din al-Zenki’s ties with the MOC remains murky, with a spokesperson from the group telling Voice of America News in late October that it has not recently received TOW missiles.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2015 20:56

Y. Kanan wrote:
Singha wrote:Whatever artillery the Turks have onsite is bombarding the Isis now.
Yeah, sure it is.

Soon to be very relevant question: can Russia maintain Syrian ops even if Turkey closes the straits? Is the Baltic-Med naval route sufficient?

Blockades can be contested by sinking blockading ships and hitting the blockaders. A blockade is an act of war. By shooting down an aircraft and then doing a blockade Turkey would be declaring war on Russia. No self respecting nation will take a blockade lying down if they have the military wherewithal to fight it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 21:04

NATO would be more worried about having to back up turkey over a straits blockade than Russia. None of the euros have the stomach or domestic support to go fighting Russia over turkey blocking the straits or any other reason.