Singha wrote:in a ideal world a bunch of generic looking VL box launchers on trucks would house all our smaller SAMs like astra and network with the bigger ones like Akash and s400(if it comes). just like writing code that works generically, these uvls things are time consuming but worth the effort for future platform insertions.
cheen has already fielded at sea their version of naval uvls.
Karan Ji Bliss to See below. Impressive acceleration combined with the VL launch and mini bull snort tvc turning.Karan M wrote:So the TOR remains the only proper SAM system that can fire on the move. The Bradley/Stinger is more VSHORADS than SHORADS..
Of course being Russian, serviceability will be missing. Best we go for our own QRSAM based off of the Astra!
Saurav Jha @SJha1618 4m4 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
The Brahmos-I engine has to be indigenized.
Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) is an automated Air Defense command and control center for controlling and monitoring of Air Operations by Air Force. In network centric warfare era, RASP information is required to be made available at the appropriate level for taking tactical decision. These levels are strategic level (Air head Quarter),Operational level (Command Head quarter) and tactical level (Divisional level). The information sharing involves sharing of the information among navy, army and civil radar network also. The IACCS system receives data from different types of homogeneous/ heterogeneous radars (2-D or 3-D), reports from mobile observation posts and data from various other Air Force Airbases or Civilian agencies viz Air Traffic Control, Air Force Movement Liaison Unit etc. to create real time comprehensive recognized air situation picture (RASP) at IACCS Command & Control Centre (C & C Centre). The connectivity of sensors/agencies from/to the IACCS C&C Centre is connected on a wide area network based on IP protocol.
The system is meant to provide an appropriate solution to identify the track information in the Air. To produce a “Recognized Air Situation Picture” (RASP) by using the information received from different radars. To provide a perfect WA solution for enemy aircraft/missiles using different interception tactics (for Combat Air Patrol), Surface to Air-guided missiles (SAGW) missiles & Air Defence Artillery Gun (ADAG). To achieve automation in the Air-Defence hierarchy of “Indian Air Force”.
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. These projects are to improve the existing munitions and enhance its performance and at various stages of testing! That ARDE tender is a must read! Just shows how time consuming it is to integrate a new weapon into an aircraft is. For Jaguar and MKI, they have identified 108 cases for "Simulation Conditions for Aerodynamic Studies" (i.e. flight under various Mach and AoA combinations) and 46 cases for "Cases for Safe Separation Analysis" (i.e. releases from various altitudes, Mach and AoA for two adapter types). This will be followed by X-number of flight and release trials. Multi-year effort for sure.indranilroy wrote:ARDE has a project called New Family Munitions (NFM), under which it has been developing the Vibhav, Vishal, Ulka, Parth, and Prachand systems. Out of these Parth has reached the assembly stage.
ARDE has undertaken the development of 450 kg HSLD bomb with Griffin LG kit and Dual Fuze Arrangement from Jaguar and Su-30 MKIs (!!!!) aircrafts. It is a great document for people to know the flight envelop when the separation is safely possible from these two planes.
For the Jags, they are envisioning 2 drop tanks on the inboard pylons and 1 bomb on the center line pylon rear station.
For the Su-30s, they expect to carry 2 bombs on stations 5 & 6; or 1 bomb each at 5, 6, 3, 4, 1 & 2; or 1 bomb each at stations 1 &2 and LDP on Station 4.
Why do you think the former is not being thought off at the moment? As far as the MR/LR SAM and the S400 along with home grown BMD program is concerned, one must wait to see what systems are acquired with the S400. There are multiple interceptors on offer, some that Russia has deployed yet others that are either not in service or have not been seen in the wild. It could be entirely possible that the S400 elements procured make a lot of sense with the BMD system being designed in India on one side and the other SAM's at the other end.ShauryaT wrote:Srai: Why not consider Barak 8-ER for the LR SAM needs of the IAF? Also, the above discounts any development of a MR/LR SAM development as a spin off of the Astra with a booster? I remain concerned on the overlap between the s-400 and our own BMD program.
A General Practitioner bomb? What would the others be? Internists, gynaecs, dermatologists etc? Health hazards all..indranilroy wrote: I have a feeling that one of these is a GP-bomb.
Correct. Dealt with them once.
The new fuses tendered for are supposed to be capable to penetrate 1.5 m of rcc. Fwiw it should enable some anti armour capability.SaiK wrote:Can't they use the armor piercing fuse?
http://www.livefistdefence.com/2015/12/ ... ested.htmlLivefist can confirm that the first test of the Indo-Israeli Long Range SAM (LR-SAM) was successfully conducted earlier this evening in the Arabian Sea between Mumbai and Goa. The second test will be conducted tomorrow morning between 8.30am till 11am. The LR-SAM was testfired last month from an Israel Navy corvette. Photos and videos of today's & tomorrow's tests shortly.
Good, if they are being thought of, was just pointing to it not being included in the planning sheet SRai put together.brar_w wrote:Why do you think the former is not being thought off at the moment?ShauryaT wrote:Srai: Why not consider Barak 8-ER for the LR SAM needs of the IAF? Also, the above discounts any development of a MR/LR SAM development as a spin off of the Astra with a booster? I remain concerned on the overlap between the s-400 and our own BMD program.
If Barak works and is serviceable with a high degree of availability, I'd say retain it.Singha wrote:TOR - ability to fire on the move and bull snort for quick direction change indicates its ready to go as a CIWS type naval missile. being VL we could put this on IN ships for a formidable replacement to the aeging Barak1
AeSI/DRDO/CII periodically publish a huge list of firms involved in local defence programs. Intent is to publicize for offsets.Zynda wrote:Does DRDO publish the winner of various tender for public consumption? Just curious to find out the names of companies which are being part of indigenous efforts.
Looking at international naval thread, about USA testing laser already on a ship, I remembered a comment that some Indian missile (Akash?) is static etc. One can put the entire system - along with RADAR - on a ship and see how static a missile defense system could be, while dealing with such issues. Our missile systems need all encouragement and promises of bulk production too. Not that I discount testing, but how long will excellent missile will have to sit out before being in production.Gyan wrote:Barak-8 has already got USD 3 Billion confirmed orders prior to any tests, and with no Real ToT, while our Nag languishes and no clarity on large scale orders for Astra.
They are still evaluating both the nose as well as the tail fuses. But you are right, they seem to be stabilizing around the HSLD design. They are going to the change the nose, tail assemblies etc. to get various uses.ramana wrote:SaiK, Bunker busting/ground penetrating bombs have fuze in aft/tail. Early on ARDE/DRDO had 2 fuzes for HSLD bombs and used to be listed on OFB pages. No longer could be issues and withdrawn
Aft/tail fuzes of UK vintage have basic time delay to allow penetration.
Modern fuzes are electronic and much more reliable and can defeat barrier defences.
If you look at HSLD nose it looks more like general purpose with emphasis on concrete barrier defeat. Maybe for runways and now being combined with Griffin for others.
That is correct. My dad is part of the group. A lot of them were called back to work on projects that they were with when they retired.
On a related note:indranilroy wrote:ARDE has a project called New Family Munitions (NFM), under which it has been developing the Vibhav, Vishal, Ulka, Parth, and Prachand systems. Out of these Parth has reached the assembly stage.
ARDE has undertaken the development of 450 kg HSLD bomb with Griffin LG kit and Dual Fuze Arrangement from Jaguar and Su-30 MKIs (!!!!) aircrafts. It is a great document for people to know the flight envelop when the separation is safely possible from these two planes.
For the Jags, they are envisioning 2 drop tanks on the inboard pylons and 1 bomb on the center line pylon rear station.
For the Su-30s, they expect to carry 2 bombs on stations 5 & 6; or 1 bomb each at 5, 6, 3, 4, 1 & 2; or 1 bomb each at stations 1 &2 and LDP on Station 4.
