India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 28 Jan 2016 00:59

Trump is an outsider, and is hated by both Republicans and Democrats. He refused to attend a debate on Fox because the Fox anchor Megyn Kelly messed with Trump in a previous debate on Fox, obviously at the behest of the those republicans who want him out of the race, which is why they are now trying to bring in another Billionaire Bloomberg into the race this week. Trump is well aware that he is just making election speeches, and is intent on winning -- he will be moderated by the rest of the establishment in Washington DupleeCity if he ever gets elected. He will shake things up and call out the scumbags in the US state dept. who are now funding and aiding ISIS in west asia, if nothing else.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Jan 2016 01:10

Does Trump say anything about Pakistan?
I get the feeling that he will be honest about Pakistan's terrorism unlike all other Presidents.

He will be the R candidate, I don't see any way around it unless some tragedy occurs. He will probably fight Hillary.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Jan 2016 01:26

Supposedly what was sticking in American craw (and JFK's) was this

On 19 December 1961, the Indian Army began military operations with Operation Vijay resulting in the invasion and annexation of Goa, Daman, and Diu and forcefully incorporating the regions into the newly formed Indian union. Goa, along with Daman and Diu, was organized as a centrally administered union territory of India.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 28 Jan 2016 02:56

These Indian-Americans want Trump as next US president

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 28 Jan 2016 03:02

The portugese started guerrila warfare in Goa and targeted Indian ships and boats, so India has to ensure that they were thrown out in its own long term interests. That also taught that p1ssant, genocidal nation (Which perpetrated the christian inquisitions) a lesson or two. Of course, these days they protect known terrorists like Abu Salem, because the portugese are against death penalty it seems. Clowns. Clearly, Nehru learnt a thing or two about seeking international mediation for Goa from his J&K debacle.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Jan 2016 04:39

OT: ~~SVP~~ JLN was the main force behind Goa takeover. There were reports that JFK told Nehru that India talks in forked tongue. But then what can one expect when Nehru and his Right hand Krishna Menon gave long boring preachy lectures whenever they had a soap box.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Jan 2016 05:19

Chakra.in wrote:^ Trump along with any other Republican candidate would be very good for India
Democrat Clinton gave India sanctions, while Republican Bush gave the Indo-American nuclear deal. Obama refused to take relations any further, while his Secretary of State Hilary actually worsened them. A Republican in the White House would allow for a lot more potential, and a lot more deals like that nuclear one.I honestly hope Trump wins, would be a huge middle finger to the left-wing political establishment both in India and US.

Even though EJs are supporting him , he is not fond of them either. IMHO, he deserves Desi American support more than any other Candida-tes. ( Beside the fact , he was retweeting my tweets couple of months ago.)

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jan 2016 05:43

When it comes to US national security interests, only so much a President can do. Evangelical influence, advisers, Phd experts, etc. are all ingrained with American exceptionalism. The core of American foreign policy is always preserved which is that America is the top dog and everyone else can only bark but not bite. That's the bottom line. Trump will fall in line if he becomes president. I guarantee it.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 28 Jan 2016 05:55

vayu tuvan wrote:OT: SVP was the main force behind Goa takeover. There were reports that JFK told Nehru that India talks in forked tongue. But then what can one expect when Nehru and his Right hand Krishna Menon gave long boring preachy lectures whenever they had a soap box.

~~Thanks, yes, Sardar was the one who sent the army, not Nehru. My bad.~~ Utterly foolish of them both to be pompous preachy buggers given the kind of hard-headed adversaries they were dealing with -- the original "international citizens" who forgot to take care of their own house and backyard, in order to save everyone else. Sorry for OT.

After all of Trump's speechifying, he will be quite tame when elected, like RoyGji says.

Added later: should have googled first I guess.

On 24 November 1961, the Sabarmati, a passenger boat passing between the Portuguese-held island of Anjidiv and the Indian port of Kochi, was fired upon by Portuguese ground troops, resulting in injuries to the chief engineer of the boat, as well as the death of a passenger. The action was precipitated by Portuguese fears that the boat carried a military landing party intent on storming the island.[31] The incidents lent themselves to foster widespread public support in India for military action in Goa.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 28 Jan 2016 05:58

^^No this is Nehru. SVP died in 1950.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jan 2016 06:40

bloomberg has no chance. just a red herring at this point.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 28 Jan 2016 06:50

Agree. He does not have the public speaking skills and political cunning like Trump does. Jeb Bush is proof that have a huge campaign kitty means nothing.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Jan 2016 08:56

Trump commenting about Modi on NDTV in August 2014. It is a dated interview and Trump has been known to change positions rather quickly.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Jan 2016 08:59

KJo wrote:Does Trump say anything about Pakistan?
I get the feeling that he will be honest about Pakistan's terrorism unlike all other Presidents.

He will be the R candidate, I don't see any way around it unless some tragedy occurs. He will probably fight Hillary.

This is a radio interview Trump gave in Sep. 2015

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Jan 2016 09:01

Trump is a media whore. He actually suggested Kanye West (the rapper) should run for president in 2020.
What we're seeing is the degradation of American politics. Regardless of whether Trump gets elected or not, given how far he's come so far, the next time around there will be another joker. In this regard Lalu, Niku, and Krazywal look all too rational with RaGa as a great intellectual person.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Jan 2016 10:36

yayavar wrote:^^No this is Nehru. SVP died in 1950.

Sorry I mixed up Hyderabad and Goa.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jan 2016 13:43

bloomberg is seen as too much chummy with and part of the NYC fatkats which will alienate poorer whites. trump is a fatkat too but has projected himself as more of a disrupter and outsider.
plus he is jewish and from boston - will not fly with core republican base.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Jan 2016 14:21

Trump may be joker. May be politically an idiot. But the very fact that most of his rants are finding spport with voters is the reflection on the regular politicos of US. Khejri in India was media creation and their darling. DT is not. If there is any choice between Lady in suit pants or DT and I am a voter in US I will vote for DT. Just to mark my protest. As for as being an Idiot, I think US had its share of idiot presidents before.

Sanders seems to be a nice guy. May be a good choice for President.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 28 Jan 2016 19:30

Ambassador ABCD yappity yap yap on lengthy NDTV special

Essentially using "taller than mountains, deeper than oceans" vocabulary wrt US frensip with india

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jan 2016 19:42

nvishal wrote:Ambassador ABCD yappity yap yap on lengthy NDTV special

Essentially using "taller than mountains, deeper than oceans" vocabulary wrt US frensip with india

the amrekis seem to have lost traction with both India and pakistan for different reasons. Net result is that their H&D is badly affected, especially after the ISIS fiasco and the shell shocking sight of some big hairy brown russian testimonials.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 28 Jan 2016 20:03

chetak wrote:the amrekis seem to have lost traction with both India and pakistan for different reasons. Net result is that their H&D is badly affected, especially after the ISIS fiasco and the shell shocking sight of some big hairy brown russian testimonials.

The americans need someone to balance china very badly. Nothing scares them most than the prospect of china and russia joining forces. Although china has played the part of an ally along side the american block in the past which must be taken into consideration. This will have an affect on the china-russia relationship.

The indian govt should be cautious as always. India has no business entering into any foreign wars. This does not mean that china and pakistan won't move against india under american orders - Here, pakistan has ideological reasons while the chinese understand an opportunity.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 28 Jan 2016 23:24

It depends on how China weathers its upcoming economic recession -- the Communist regime decided to buy a ton of bad assets to stop the stock market from crashing twice, and is left holding the bag -- they cannot hold on to it indefinitely. So all their splurge in spending all over the world right now, will come under pressure soon enough, and they will have to deal with the internal political consequences of such an event, and come out of it with a resurging economy. Going by their sun tzu charade, they will pretend to be strong when they are weak, and try some thing else stupid to cover up for previous stupidity...all in all, not a bad thing for everyone else, especially India. It is also possible that the US will use this as an opportunity to get the chinese government to fall in line with their "asia pivot" balancing.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 28 Jan 2016 23:47

@ThiruV

The chinese have given the third world more than the west ever could. Goods and products that were once inaccessible to the non-western world(due to regional political disturbance, currency conversion etc) have been made accessible/available due to the chinese. They have done this by violating IP laws, developing cheap global logistics, even selling below cost etc. The indian construction industry imports a lot of heavy gear from china which would otherwise not be economically viable if they were to be imported from europe. In simple words, high rises around india have a substantial chinese involvement.

The developing world(asia, africa etc) needs china and we need to acknowledge not just this "economic power" but an actual viable supplier to this part of the world.

This doesn't discount the security and geo-political situation. We need to be realistic.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 29 Jan 2016 00:01

Nvishal, their selling-below-cost model will not hold for as many items as it does now, as chinese labour wage expectations rise, not to mention unemployment of large numbers of people used to higher wages. Ignoring their economic reach in India, China is a hostile enemy nation as far as India is concerned. India would have to fix its education system and a lot more before it can even begin to challenge china, but otherwise, China feeds nuclear weapons to enemy states and supports terrorist groups that operate against India. So any opportunity to pull the plug on the chinese should not be relinquished by India, given that the CCP is likely to cause more trouble to India and not less, as they gain reach and capability, as they have for the past decade.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 29 Jan 2016 01:16

Seems like this 'Indian Americans for Trump' PAC has Sudhir Parikh as an officer. He got the Padma Shree back in 2010. He had also protested the wharton thing by pulling out. Looks like RW everywhere is coming together. I am also leaning towards Trump, if for no other reason than sheer spite for left wing mofos everywhere

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Jan 2016 02:21

My belief at this time is that Trump is not going to win the Presidential Election. He may well win the Republican nomination but the way he is going about it will divide the Republican base itself, perhaps to an extent that cannot be repaired in time for a consolidated vote in November.

It is not merely a question of pandering to the "far right" of the Republican Party (that's OK, in fact it is needed because of how the Caucus/Primary system works in the US). It is that Trump is cultivating a section of the Republican Party that even the traditional far-right (Evangelicals, Anti-Regulation Fiscal Ultraconservatives, etc.) do not identify with and may not fully trust... a sort of extremely frustrated Middle American equivalent of the Indian AAP voters, driven by emotions over logic, who have no idea what they actually want and agree only about all the things that really pi$$ them off.

Hillary could not have picked a better Republican candidate to face off against. The swing vote at the center of gravity will not go with Trump when it comes right down to it... whereas traditional Republicans would surely have backed a Ted Cruz or a Marco Rubio over Hillary, they are in the final analysis conservatives, and wary of radicals. As a very centrist Democrat, Hillary is on the balance MORE tuned to conservative American politics than Trump.

In fact, I have to wonder how much of the Trump tamasha that has completely eaten up the Republican discourse is pure AAP-style media management, and whose hand might lie behind it.

Did you know that Chelsea Clinton (Bill/Hillary's daughter) and Ivanka Trump (Donald's daughter) are the best of friends, like Hillary-Huma level bum chums? IIRC Chelsea did an internship at one of Donald Trump's companies after graduating from college.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 29 Jan 2016 03:43

Rudradev, there is also the chance that Trump will tone down his act once he gets the republican nomination -- if he fails to grab the fence sitters or continues to divide the party, the democrats will win as you say. This Hillary-Huma relationship does not bode well for anyone. One that Huma is a islamist apologist in disguise like Dalia Mogahed, Rania Khalek and a lot of the "left-wing moderate muslims" in the US media and "human rights activists".

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Jan 2016 04:35

nvishal wrote:Ambassador ABCD yappity yap yap on lengthy NDTV special

Essentially using "taller than mountains, deeper than oceans" vocabulary wrt US frensip with india

The Amreeki ambassador truly lives upto his name..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jan 2016 06:53

nvishal wrote:@ThiruV

The chinese have given the third world more than the west ever could. Goods and products that were once inaccessible to the non-western world(due to regional political disturbance, currency conversion etc) have been made accessible/available due to the chinese. They have done this by violating IP laws, developing cheap global logistics, even selling below cost etc. The indian construction industry imports a lot of heavy gear from china which would otherwise not be economically viable if they were to be imported from europe. In simple words, high rises around india have a substantial chinese involvement.

The developing world(asia, africa etc) needs china and we need to acknowledge not just this "economic power" but an actual viable supplier to this part of the world.

This doesn't discount the security and geo-political situation. We need to be realistic.

agreed. essentials like cheap smartphones for instance would be priced @ 25k if left to the hands of apple and motalaura.
last week I saw basic unbranded cheen models being sold for 2k on TOI marketplace. the branded ones will start from 4k on. this is a revolution in the hands of commoner and india is expected in 2017 to become the #2 smartphone market, crossing the usa.

lot of construction machinery like dozers and cranes are indeed chinese. zoomlion is a common face in cranes here.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 29 Jan 2016 20:21

Thanks, nvishal, Singha. Problem with depending entirely on chinese tech is that it puts India at a severe disadvantage in the event of tensions with china, though I can see that China is aiding with improving the quality of life in Indians. Think of china exploiting some zero-day defect in their network switches that they have not provided India, that can disrupt communication in Indian cell networks running Chinese hardware/platforms -- seems well in the realm of possiblity.

But to counter this kind of threat from China, India would need a solid base of scientifically skilled workers and engineers like China has right now, but given the state of Indian education and how it is only worsening by the decade, maybe playing second fiddle to china and maintaining the status quo (as we seem to be doing) is the smartest play for India right now, until India can get its act together in educating its citizens and ensuring that the competent ones rise unhindered.

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Jan 2016 07:09

arun wrote:X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Falijee wrote:Pakistan Can And Must Dismantle All Terror Networks - Barack Obama
............{Snipped}.................

The Whitehouse website as at the time of my posting shows no record of the US President Obama making this comment, at least none that I could find.

If memory serves this is not the first time that the US has thrown a bone in India’s direction by seeming to support India but sparing the Major Non NATO Ally aka Munna aka the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the blushes by not maintaining a record of the comment on “official” US Government websites.

Can someone please prove me wrong about this instance of US duplicity by dredging up the comment by the US President regards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that PTI says he made

A week down the line neither the US Government’s Whitehouse or the State Department websites carries the statement of US President Obama supporting India over Mohammadden Terrorism fomented by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan at Pathankot and elsewhere.

Seems the US is now trying to con India by the expedient of making supportive statements for which there is no official US record. If memory serves this is not the first time the US has pulled this stunt with regard to India.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 30 Jan 2016 07:25

arun wrote:Seems the US is now trying to con India by the expedient of making supportive statements for which there is no official US record. If memory serves this is not the first time the US has pulled this stunt with regard to India.

It remains to be seen if we are dim enough to fall for it too.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 30 Jan 2016 07:56

Do we still wonder about this man?

http://www.smartnewtab.com/watch?key=78 ... 14a52d3458

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Jan 2016 13:32

^^whats that link Yagnasri looks like some phishing site or something like that

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 30 Jan 2016 14:08

arun wrote:The Whitehouse website as at the time of my posting shows no record of the US President Obama making this comment, at least none that I could find.

The Whitehouse website apparently isn't required to carry transcripts of interviews given by the President. Only a handful of interviews have been transcribed and put up, and almost all of them are from his first term in office.

<snip>Obama told PTI in an interview here during which he answered a wide range of questions covering Indo-US ties, terrorism and outcome of the Paris climate change summit.</snip> - PTI

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jan 2016 02:42

I think people would do a big mistake if they ignore sanders (not the KFC chap). his campaign somehow reminds me of modi's.

note : I have no practical experience of the US election process and am basing my views primarily on SM.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2016 07:18

american exceptionalism in fully play

The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
Moving money out of the usual offshore secrecy havens and into the U.S. is a brisk new business.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ted-states

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2016 09:40

hillary clinton aka hitlery klingon makes it evident as to who makes US foreign policy.

Hillary Clinton Brags About Getting Her Marching Orders From The Council on Foreign Relations

While Clinton herself is not an official member of the CFR, her affiliations with the organization are abundantly clear as she herself admits. On July 15, 2009, Clinton spoke to the Washington DC satellite facility of the CFR where she stated,

“I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department.”

“We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.”

http://www.brandonturbeville.com/2016/0 ... g-her.html

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Jan 2016 09:49

Singha wrote:american exceptionalism in fully play

The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
Moving money out of the usual offshore secrecy havens and into the U.S. is a brisk new business.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ted-states

I wonder why dont we do the same ? get hold of an island in A&N and declare it as tax-free for non Indian citizens, a kind of SEZ. what am I missing ?

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 31 Jan 2016 16:45

Rahul M
Why go to Andamans? There is one already right here in Ahmedabad. It is a SEZ for financial industry. It is called Global International Financial Tec-City or GIFT, for short. Right now it is just two buildings. But the promoters want it to rival Singapore and a whole lot of other tax havens.