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Originally posted by Rangudu:

quote:Nuclear Inquiry Skips Pakistani Army

By DAVID ROHDE

But none of the accounts prove that the army, or Pakistan's government, approved the transfer of nuclear technology. American and Pakistani analysts said the evidence that could prove the military approved the transfer would be the discovery of Pakistani nuclear hardware in Libya, North Korea or Iran.

]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/international/asia/30NUKE.html


What is required to prove the China angle? A direct confession from them? :roll:
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I had an opportunity to speak with a prominent Western reporter, who has been reporting on the TSP nuke proliferation thing for some time. The reporter told me that the recent leaks were from the State Department and they were given on the condition that the reports would have prominently placed lines in the stories which tended to exonerate the Pakistani government or at least cast a lot of doubt about a possible Pak govt role. In addition, I was told that the State Department wants all reporters to focus on the line that the PAEC is not guilty of any shenanigans and it was all KRL. In other words, PAEC=good, under Pak govt control and KRL=bad. I also heard some stories about the non-proliferation "high priests" as the reporter cynically referred to them, and their supposed "expertise" but I cannot share them here.

Finally, I was told that there is also one other Arab country (not Saudi Arabia) to whom there is a Pakistan nuke proliferation link. Apparently, the US had intelligence that this nation approached AQ Khan in the 1981-84 period and wished to buy the centrifuge technology. Apparently AQK did not report this to Zia, who found it out from the ISI. AQK was officially reprimanded for not telling Zia. This news was obatined by the reporter from his sources in Pakistan.

Interesting stuff.
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Dr. I just submitt evidence, Let the Jury draw inference.

Remeber Rums quote "Absence of evidence...."

Remember the SD mantra

"At this time there is no conclusive evidence..."

When it comes to Pakistan

In case of Iraq... you know the history
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Originally posted by Sarma:
Originally posted by Rangudu:

quote:Nuclear Inquiry Skips Pakistani Army

By DAVID ROHDE

But none of the accounts prove that the army, or Pakistan's government, approved the transfer of nuclear technology. American and Pakistani analysts said the evidence that could prove the military approved the transfer would be the discovery of Pakistani nuclear hardware in Libya, North Korea or Iran.

]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/international/asia/30NUKE.html


What is required to prove the China angle? A direct confession from them? :roll:
It is now common knowledge that SD has been turning a blind eye to the evidence of TSP involvement in proliferation. But for a correspondent for NY Times to do that brings more shame to the 'free' press.

Pakistani govt took out advertisements hawking its nuclear technology as late as 2000.

'US will throw Musharraf in the dustbin'
He showed me a full-page advertisement the commerce ministry issued on July 24, 2000 in Pakistan's largest-circulated English daily, The News. The ministry announced on behalf of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission, 'parties interested in purchasing enriched uranium or a nuclear reactor must submit their applications with a fee of Rs 10,000.' After showing me the advertisement, General Beg asked, "Is it not enough to prove that not some individuals but the state of Pakistan was involved in nuclear proliferation?" I was silent for 10 minutes as I read the advertisement again and again. Beg asked me repeatedly: "Who was in power when the government of Pakistan was openly asking anybody interested in buying enriched uranium to come with a written application?"
The acid test of Musharraf's intentions will really come when he decides to take on the former military chief General Mirza Aslam Beg. In a previous interview, Gen Beg said "they wouldn't dare" question him.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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It is highly possible that there is a greater proliferation chain emerging out of Pakistan. All arab nations at one point of time or another have contemplated acquiring nuclear weapons as they felt the heat from the Israeli acquisition of nuclear weapons. Pakistan's role in this has been as a facilitator, at every chance it has encouraged arab nations to pursue their nuclear ambitions.

Maybe some Americans had so much faith in Pakistan, that they felt it was a good idea to let the Pakistanis do this, especially in the 80s as Pakistani technology was of poor quality and gradual nuclearization of the Arab-Islamic world would pose a challenge to the Soviet Union?

What becomes very clear from the statements emerging from the non proliferation high priests is that atleast some of them may have believed Pakistan was a manageable problem, its nuclear technology was too primitive and its reliance on imports to drastic for its proliferation efforts to be a serious threat to US interests.

Perhaps the non proliferation pundits thought of it as a child playing with daddy's gun, so long as the safety catch was on, there was nothing to fear. Isn't it fair to call such parents irresponsible if not outright criminals?

Now why C. Rajamohan doesn't point this out to all the non proliferation high priests he meets I don't know. Cohen has himself said, Chicago rules, so why spare them now?
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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hello hello please edit the url, the scope of Paki China proliferation by itself is wide enough to fit a cinemascope screen
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Take it FWIW...
IAEA to oversee Pak nukes

30 January 2004: A sixteen-member IAEA committee to be funded by the United States will gain oversight on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and missiles in an understanding reached between General Pervez Musharraf and US vice-president **** Cheney on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos.

The committee of weapons inspectors, analysts, safeguard specialists and others will work for the newly-designated Weapons Safety Programme (WSP) which will be 60 per cent funded by the US and replace the Pakistan-Army dominated nuclear regulatory authority.

Diplomats said that WSP would eventually lead to a capping of Pakistan’s nuclear programme in five to ten years without destabilising Musharraf or his successors.

Since disclosures of Pakistani proliferation to Iran, Libya and other Middle-East states, the United States has become determined to impose strong safeguards on Pakistan’s nuclear programme, and WSP will put tight controls on weapons and missiles, nuclear stockpiles, and streamline the command and control structure.

Under the WSP charter accepted by Pakistan, the committee’s recommendations have to be mandatorily implemented, failing which it can issue warnings, and then take appropriate steps, which diplomats would not reveal.

“Musharraf has been telling his generals that it is this or having to forgo the nuclear weapons and missiles, and obviously his generals have no choice in the matter,” said a diplomat.

While the US will have no direct role in the IAEA committee, it will be regularly briefed by Pakistan, and it will also act to ensure compliance with the recommendations.
http://www.intelligenceonline.net
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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HAH..when push came to shove, the TSPA sold out the nuclear scientists..

Uncovering Pakistan's nuclear secrets

An investigation into the possible involvement of some of Pakistan's best known scientists in the illegal sale of nuclear technology has sent shockwaves across the country.

Leaks in the local media talk about alleged payments of hundreds of millions of dollars to a few scientists and officials in return for the possible transfer of nuclear know-how, and even hardware, to countries like Iran and Libya.

Families and supporters of the detained scientists say it's a government-sponsored media trial to defame people who, until a few months ago, were regarded as national heroes.

But as details of the high-level probe start to come out, making Pakistan's future as a responsible nuclear-power state look vulnerable, some people believe the "revelations" have been nothing short of an atomic disaster.

Now Dr Khan is confined to his home in Islamabad and a security sleuth stationed outside is not there to protect him, but to restrict his free movement.

But conscious of a possible public backlash, the authorities have been making selective leaks in the media to create a favourable environment before officially revealing the involvement of any leading scientists in proliferation.
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Originally posted by Rangudu:

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Nuclear Inquiry Skips Pakistani Army

By DAVID ROHDE

But none of the accounts prove that the army, or Pakistan's government, approved the transfer of nuclear technology. American and Pakistani analysts said the evidence that could prove the military approved the transfer would be the discovery of Pakistani nuclear hardware in Libya, North Korea or Iran.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/international/asia/30NUKE.html
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This is interesting.
Now, what are the odds that there will soon be "discovery of Pakistani nuclear hardware" from the cargo load that was brought by a couple of C-130s from Libya to McGhee airport near Oakridge, TN?
This is not my area of expertise, but isn't the Paki program built pretty much with western "hardware" components clandestinely acquired /stolen from abroad? So how much indigenous Paki hardware would there be in the first instance? And what are the chances of finding them in Oakridge? A fat zero, I think.
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Recieved in the email, posted without comments.

***** Start of Email ******

The Jihadis have handed Musharraf a long rope to hang himself with. As before Musharraf is making promises which he knows he cannot keep. You name it, he is willing to promise it, anything to deflect blame for this mess. Not a day passes when Musharraf's credibility and competency and competency is not questioned.

Look at this latest joke from the non proliferation people, a sixteen member international team is supposed to keep tabs on the Pakistanis nuclear and missile program, somehow this small team is supposed to keep a watch where the 700,000 man Pakistani Army with all its access failed? If this isn't this window dressing I don't know what is?

Musharraf was very much in the nuclear command and control chain when all these transfers took place. That is what Beg and the ISI is pointing out in their interview to Hamid Mir. A Q Khan's daughter has the same material on paper.

The Jihadi political formula is simple, sit back and wait for everyone else in the polity and administration to discredit themselves in the eyes of the Pakistani people. When that process is complete, the Jihadis will march into power.

***** End of Email *****
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think
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With nuclear weapons, Pakistan sees itself as the military equal of archrival India. "It's a symbol of empowerment," said security analyst Ayesha Siddiqa Agha.

But it also flows from the fact that Pakistan was the first nation in the Muslim world to develop the bomb - despite years of US sanctions aimed at halting it. Such conceit spreads beyond Pakistan, where its nuclear weapons are hailed as "Islamic" ones.

"You can go to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, and they are very proud Pakistan has this capability," said Shireen Mazari, director-general of the government-funded Institute for Strategic Studies in Islamabad
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Many of the posts above (after the speculative part about Syria / Egypt etc) have veered off course from the topic of this thread. We are not into whether India or Pak gets positive or negative coverage elsewhere, in this thread. I request the folks to delete the posts, or the admins to delete -- and edit this one too, by deleting this para.

Back to topic:

Here are two very interesting disclosures:

Hamid Mir on his interview with Gen. Beg

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General Beg is of the view that in the first phase the Bush administration is putting pressure on Musharraf to admit that at least two or three scientists from the Kahuta Research Laboratories smuggled nuclear secrets to Iran in their personal capacity. In the second phase he feels the US will target Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission. Musharraf will be forced to say that this institution was involved in selling enriched uranium to Iran. Then the US will try to use Pakistan against Iran.

"Bush is planning to target Iran after Iraq. He is going to make an election stunt out of this nuclear issue," General Beg said, "He (Musharraf) cannot touch me. My hands are clean but his hands are not clean. How can he share a Nobel Prize with Vajpayee? He is just like tissue paper. They (the US) will use him for some time and then he will be thrown in the dustbin of history."

General Beg is providing a lot of ammunition to the Opposition Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy by his revelations. Both Benazir Bhutto and Shehbaz Sharif -- president of his brother Nawaz Sharif's faction of the Muslim League -- are planning to return to Pakistan in the next few months. They may sent a joint application to the International Court of Justice to try Musharraf for spreading nuclear weapons.

[...]

1. So there is confirmation of the KRL vs PAEC dichotomy. Hats off to Sunil S and also ties in with Rangudu's info noted above.

2. This ICJ business is interesting, to say the least!
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Guys,

Let's please not get distracted by the middle east discussion.

The country I referred to is Syria. I'm sorry I didn't mention it in my original post. I thought it was probably old news to some of the BRites who were old enough to read and follow news at that time. The reporter I spoke to also could not confirm this 100% but is pretty sure its Syria.
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While it is undoubtedly true that Pakistan as a state policy tried to hawk its nuclear technology to all and sundry (witness the advertisements placed by the Ministry of Commerce on behalf of the Atomic Energy Commission as late as 2000), the number of serious buyers would have been necessary limited both among state and non state players. Libya, Iran and Saudi Arabia have definitely funded the Pakistan program, for an equity stake . North Korea may have been a joint venture Pakistan/China enterprise. Iraq was probably a potential buyer. Egypt in the 1981-84 period had a peace accord signed with Israel and is far too geographically close to Israel to try the kind of shenanigans that would undoubtedly invite a Osirak repetition. PAEC is being kept under wraps to keep the Chinese on side and to help deal with the North Koreans. And if the IAEA supervision story is correct, PAEC is being defanged discreetly.
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Folks>> With utmost humility, the objective is to humiliate and punish the pakis for their Nuke proliferation
Keep a eye on the Paki Pu balls to shed light so that uncle may caress them to do apart.

Don’t let the ball drop, by drifting away please,
TIA
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Originally posted by John Umrao:
Folks>> With utmost humility, the objective is to humiliate and punish the pakis for their Nuke proliferation
Keep a eye on the Paki Pu balls to shed light so that uncle may caress them to do apart.

Don’t let the ball drop, by drifting away please,
TIA
Jumrao,

Undoubtedly, the real action now is the Pu at PAEC. The Pakistanis are in full damage limitation mode and the 10 year IAEC capping period mentioned in the IO report, means that they entertain some desperate thoughts on how they can weasle out of this stranglehold using their natural fraud, deceit and duplicity
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Look at this latest joke from the non proliferation people, a sixteen member international team is supposed to keep tabs on the Pakistanis nuclear and missile program, somehow this small team is supposed to keep a watch where the 700,000 man Pakistani Army with all its access failed? If this isn't this window dressing I don't know what is?
Its whitewash. The 16-member team is perfectly adequate to keep watch on empty (but glowing) warehouses of the FPSA (Former Pakistani Strategic Assets).

Its OK : the glow must be fading already, since the weapons have been gone since June 2002.

Admins Note:

Sorry to intrude on your post Narayanan.

Thread has been pruned to remove all middle east related discussion. Posters are requested to remain focussed on the topic of the discussion.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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A detailed report from The Guardian with a lot of nuggets.
Pakistan's nuclear hero throws open Pandora's box

Investigators have uncovered a sophisticated black market in components with Islamabad at its centre

Ian Traynor in Vienna
Saturday January 31, 2004
The Guardian

While on a tour of eight Asian countries in the summer of 2002, Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, arrived in Islamabad with a special request.

Mr Powell asked Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, to arrest Abdul Qadeer Khan, the mastermind of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme and a hero in the country. His demand was extraordinary but so were the allegations which went with it.

He said Mr Khan needed to be questioned over the alleged secret trading of Pakistan's nuclear technology to North Korea and he had evidence.

An American spy satellite had recorded images of a Pakistani transport plane being loaded with missile parts in North Korea. It was, the US believed, part of a barter deal trading Pakistani nuclear know-how for missiles.

According to sources in Washington, Mr Powell offered Gen Musharraf assistance for an inquiry into Mr Khan's activities. The Guardian has learned that money, equipment and lie detectors for interrogations would be made available. Gen Musharraf rejected the overture but the case against Mr Khan has been building up inexorably since.


Yesterday, Mr Khan was under effective house arrest in Islamabad waiting to hear if he will face charges of treason.

Global network

The evidence being considered is embarrassing for Pakistan, whose scientists are accused of being at the centre of the illegal and dangerous trade in nuclear secrets.

Astonishing details of their alleged involvement not only with North Korea but with Libya and Iran have emerged in the last two months after the UN's demand that Iran provide its investigators with a comprehensive record of its 20-year-old nuclear effort. The UN's nuclear detectives, acting on names and contacts supplied by Tehran plus information gleaned in Iran, found evidence which pointed to Pakistan as the source for Iran's uranium enrichment technology.

But in an interview with a Pakistani satellite channel last month Mr Khan denied any involvement with Iran. "I am being accused for nothing, I never visited Iran, I don't know any Iranian, nor do I know any Iranian scientist.I will be tar geted naturally because I made the nuclear bomb, I made the missile," he said.

When Libya's leader, Colonel Muammar Gadafy, volunteered last month to scrap his covert nuclear bomb project, MI6, the CIA and UN inspectors from Vienna got a glimpse of Libya's equipment and concluded that Pakistan and Mr Khan were again the source, directly or indirectly, of the bomb-making equipment.

Gary Milhollin, head of the Wilson Project, a counter-proliferation group, said: "In all three places [North Korea, Iran and Libya], it's the same designs and technology. It was pilfered by A Q Khan. It's old but it works. The Pakistanis used it to make 30 bombs."

Gary Samore, a former Clinton Administration official and nuclear expert at the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London, says the link between Pakistan and Iran is clear, while the more recent disclosures from Libya also point to Pakistan.

"The operating assumption is that Pakistani scientists sold designs and perhaps centrifuges to Iran and Libya."


The result is that almost two years after Gen Musharraf rebuffed Mr Powell and almost 30 after Mr Khan absconded from the Netherlands with top secret blueprints on how to enrich uranium, the scientist feted in Pakistan may be about to face trial.

One of his key aides, Mohammed Farooq, a metallurgist, who was in charge of procuring foreign components for Pakistan's nuclear programme, has been in detention for six weeks. At least 20 other Pakistani scientists, businessmen, and military officers have been questioned.

The signals from Islamabad, this week, are that at least two men, apparently Mr Khan and Mr Farooq, will face trial for selling Pakistani nuclear secrets abroad.

Faisal Saleh Hayat, Pakistan's interior minister, said on Monday: "No patriotic Pakistani should even think of selling out Pakistan. There was a time when they used to call themselves heroes of Pakistan. But now the real face of some of these heroes is being exposed. We will take legal action against them." The network being revealed by investigations in Pakistan, Iran, and Libya has alarmed seasoned inspectors and intelligence services by its scale, its sophistication and the ease with which it has operated unimpeded for almost two decades.

According to this week's issue of Der Spiegel, a German weekly, a German intelligence report found in the mid-1990s that "there is said to be cooperation between Iran's atomic energy organisation and Pakistan's Khan laboratories".

Almost 10 years later, the threads in the dense web of the nuclear black market stretching from the far east to the Middle East and Europe are being unravelled.

Pakistan and its nuclear laboratories named after Dr Khan, at Kahuta, south of Islamabad, are the common factor in tracing equipment found in Libya and Iran, and believed to be in North Korea. But the networks which appear to have been set up in the mid-80s may now have grown so extensive as to have acquired a life of their own, independent of the original Pakistani sponsors.

According to diplomats tracking the investigations, Tehran named some six individuals and several firms as being involved in the black market trade.This led to the questioning of Mr Khan and his associates, but investigators suspect this is the tip of an iceberg.

"This is globalisation at work," said one well-informed source."So many fingers are pointing at Pakistan. There are only a handful of people who can pull together systems like this. But there are a large number of firms who can do gadgets and gizmos for centrifuges." Another diplomatic source agreed Pakistan was the main suspect. "But there's a whole bunch of other suspects and sources. There has been a very active market in this stuff and this thing is widening." Those suspected of involvement include an unnamed British businessman in Dubai and middlemen in Sri Lanka and the Middle East.

A planeload of nuclear equipment impounded by the Americans from Libya will provide details on the provenance of the machinery, as will a shipload of centrifuge components manufactured in Malaysia and seized aboard a German boat en route to Libya in October.

Mr Milhollin said Col Gadafy's programme, going back a decade, involved a deal with the Pakistani scientists "to outsource" the manufacturing and supplies of parts.

But the main focus of the investigation is the trade in parts for gas centrifuges, the key machines required to establish a home-based nuclear weapons effort. The centrifuges found in Libya and Iran are all of the same fundamental design, by the German engineer Gernot Zippe. The design dates from the late 1960s for what was to become the Anglo/German/Dutch consortium, Urenco. At the same time as Zippe was working on his design, Mr Khan was studying in Germany and Belgium.

In 1975 he absconded with the Zippe centrifuge blueprints. Back home and given carte blanche to lead Pakistan's race to match India's nuclear bomb, he and his experts improved the Zippe design, known as G-2, to what has become known in expert circles as Pak-2. A Dutch court sentenced Mr Khan to four years jail for industrial espionage in 1983, but the verdict was overturned on the grounds that he had never been served with the arrest warrant.


Political imperative

The centrifuge is made up of hundreds of high-performance components, meaning that would-be bomb-builders can out source purchasing strategies to dozens of different manufacturers and suppliers making their ultimate aims harder to discern.

But IAEA sleuths have just concluded that the black marketeers have become bolder, offering ready to assemble centrifuge rigs with scientific and engineering advice. In the case of Libya, a backward country with insufficient home-grown engineering or scientific talent to operate a uranium enrichment programme, the sleuths concluded that the black marketeers have offered ready-to-assemble centrifuge rigs and the required scientific and engineering advice. This suggests that Col Gadafy needed to go to far fewer sources for his bomb programme than Saddam Hussein or Iran required.

It remains unclear how tainted Gen Musharraf's government is. The political imperative for both Islamabad and Washington is to maintain that Pakistan's role was limited to that of a few rogue scientists acting without state authorisation and that in any case the nuclear deals preceded Gen Musharraf's takeover in 1999 and have been suppressed since then.

The latter claim is called into question by the alleged sighting of the Pakistani plane in North Korea in 2002 and by some of the supplies to Libya which have taken place since 1999. Because of the Pakistani leader's importance to the Americans in the war on terror, "there is," says one of the diplomats, "a high need to protect Musharraf. That's politics. Musharraf may not have wanted to know what was going on for reasons of plausible deniability". :roll: :roll:


But even if the Pakistani channels are being closed down and Gen Musharraf escapes international censure and survives the domestic fallout, the damage may well already be done.

Jon Wolfsthal, a nuclear analyst at the Carnegie Endowment said: "There's concern that this thing has spread beyond their [Pakistan's] control. Once you let the chickens loose, you can't get them back into the coop."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,1135961,00.html
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Rangudu,

Tim made a candid admission -- that he did not know about Gaddafi Stadium or Faisalabad, or their importance (including why and when these were renamed).

Perhaps this ought to be pointed out to some writers, analysts, etc. who are interested in this area? The analysts may pretend not to care or may not want to know, but the writers surely may be interested? As Tim says, the significance of such renaming may not be apparent to them as it is for us. (As an aside, is there any other big city or stadium that has been renamed by the Pakistanis in the 1970s or later, to honor a foreigner?)
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Because of the Pakistani leader's importance to the Americans in the war on terror, "there is," says one of the diplomats, "a high need to protect Musharraf. That's politics. Musharraf may not have wanted to know what was going on for reasons of plausible deniability".

since anyway the fallout would have happened nomatter with or without 911 - it suspiciously looks like events happened to make sure that TSP is needed and Mushy needs protection.
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big city re-named Sialkot----> Faisalabad(after Faisal ibn-Saud)
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Originally posted by vsunder:
big city re-named Sialkot----> Faisalabad(after Faisal ibn-Saud)
Nope. Sialkot is still Sialkot. It was Lyallpur that was renamed Faisalabad.
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New York Times Opinion...

Pakistan's Nuclear Responsibility

en. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's military ruler, has a history of strong declarations, followed by weak and contradictory actions. Washington can not settle for a repetition of this pattern in the Pakistani investigation into whether its nuclear scientists passed bomb technology to North Korea, Iran and Libya. All the links in this reckless supply chain — commercial, military or political — must be uncovered and severed.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Tim,

Did you get my email?
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thanks for the correction.
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Pakistan's unravelling nuclear secrets

Over the past two years, Pakistan's culture of denial had produced a surreal nuclear theater of the absurd. Any suggestion Pakistan's nuclear establishment was less than a paragon of nonproliferation probity was deemed beyond contempt. The father of the country's nuclear arsenal, Abdul Qadeer Khan (AQK), had been elevated to the Islamic equivalent of sainthood.
After the Prophet and Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of the Pakistani state 55 years ago, AQK was a nonpareil. AQK and his team of nuclear scientists are devout Muslim fundamentalists. But this, in turn, led AQK to pursue a hidden agenda. Even though a Sunni, AQK was nonetheless awed by the politico-religious revolution in Iran in 1979. The late President Zia ul-Haq who ruled Pakistan as a military dictator for 11 years (1977-88), also wanted his country to live under strict Islamic law (Sharia) and gave orders AQK and his team of scientists and engineers at the Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) were to be given top priority for anything they required.
In early 2001, U.S. intelligence began suspecting AQK and President Pervez Musharraf were not on the same page. In March that same year, Mr. Musharraf relieved AQK and his top scientist of direct control of the nuclear facilities. They were made nuclear advisers to the office of the president. But the nuclear horse had long bolted the Pakistani barn, surreptitiously crossing the Iranian border in 1988 to help the ayatollah's theocracy develop another Islamic bomb.
For the past two years, Mr. Musharraf suspected AQK was free-lancing his nuclear assets, but the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency kept assuring him nothing was amiss. That was hardly surprising. ISI and AQK have worked hand in glove since the very beginning of Pakistan's secret nuclear weapons program.
The Libyan dictator's decision to take the secret wraps off his own nuclear weapons program and dismantle it under international inspection was a boon to IAEA's nuclear inspectors. Suddenly, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, suitably impressed by U.S. military capabilities in Iraq, had no compunction about leaking secrets that led to a Pakistani and Iranian connection. Libya over the years had given Pakistan about $100 million for know-how — and international nuclear black market connections — on centrifuges to enrich uranium to weapons grade quality. The technology, according to IAEA, was the same in Libya and Iran, which in turn had obtained it from AQK and his team. AQK had stolen the entire plan for a centrifuge facility where he had worked in the Netherlands.
Pakistan's transfer of nuclear secrets to North Korea did not come under the rubric of an Islamist bomb. It was a straight exchange for the Korean missiles Pakistan needed as delivery vehicles for its nuclear weapons.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Mr. Musharraf conceded what he had long denied. Pakistan's top nuclear scientists had provided nuclear assistance to Iran's nuclear ambitions. The reaction in Pakistan was predictable. "Busharraf," as his legions of Pakistani detractors and enemies mock him, had buckled yet again under U.S. pressure.
Pakistan's secrets were unraveling like a knitting ball of wool that falls to the floor. A former army chief of staff, Gen. Aslam Beg, and a former ISI chief, Gen. Hamid Gul, are fundamentalists who have backed AQK's nuclear grand design.
Mr. Musharraf's inclination is to pick up the ball and rewind the wool. Trials for treason of AQK or any of his top nuclear scientists would not only trigger a nationwide upheaval by MMA, a coalition of six politico-military parties that now govern two of Pakistan's four provinces, but dangerous splits in ISI and the all-powerful military establishment.
Mr. Musharraf had trouble making himself heard in parliament last month when MMA and other parties jeered him throughout his 40-minute plea to moderates "to wage jihad against extremism." He warned lawmakers against an "intolerant society" that is giving Pakistan "a negative image." His blunt language was music only to American and Indian ears.
The army engineered the ouster of Benazir Bhutto as prime minister in 1990 because she tried to get a handle on Pakistan's nuclear program. Since Mr. Musharraf took over in October 1999, much clandestine nuclear activity by the country's Islamist scientists and engineers has been carried out by giving the president plausible deniability.
He did not know, for instance, prior to the ouster of the Taliban by U.S. forces in October 2001, that two nuclear experts had traveled to Kandahar to confer with Mullah Omar, the Taliban chief, and Osama bin Laden. When the story leaked, the government quickly explained they were in Afghanistan to offer expertise for an agricultural project. And when journalists tried to interview them, they were suddenly on temporary duty in Burma — and therefore beyond anyone's reach. The scuttlebutt in Islamabad is they went to Kandahar to teach al Qaeda how to engineer "a dirty radiation bomb," conventional explosives wrapped around fissionable material.
Even though Pakistani authorities detained a dozen nuclear experts for extensive "debriefings," the temptation for time-tested, but not time-proven, denials resurfaced at week's end. The blame was now assigned to an international black market in nuclear bomb-making technology — and one or two Pakistani experts let filthy lucre get the better of them. Muhammad Farooq, AQK's top assistant in charge of foreign procurement, was assigned the fall guy role. But Mr. Farooq wasn't prepared to do the honors. He, in turn, fingered AQK — and the country gasped.
Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's nukes, is worshipped by most Pakistanis, but Mr. Musharraf has now begun chipping at the pedestal. The Pakistani president has survived six assassination plots and two recent attempts on his life within 11 days. He has now authorized leaks about AQK's nuclear free-lancing in Iran and Libya. The leaks even suggested the saintly figure of AQK had filled his own pockets, too. Whether Mr. Musharraf is fearless or foolhardy remains to be determined.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Folks - how does the Saudi - Pak nuke agreement of Sep 2003 fit into all this?
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[quote]Khan spent $1 million on daughters' weddings

Shyam Bhatia in London | January 31, 2004 00:49 IST
Last Updated: January 31, 2004 04:28 IST

Conflicting stories from Islamabad about Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan indicate a political tussle about what to do with the 'father' of the Pakistani bomb and his alleged role in selling nuclear technology to other countries.

On Friday, Pakistan Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat told the local Pakistani media: "There is no evidence against Dr A Q Khan and he is not a suspect as yet."

He added, "We are questioning a number of scientists and some of them are suspects, but Dr Khan is not amongst them."

But Hayat's clean bill of health conflicts with allegations from other sources that Khan was the kingpin of a nuclear bazaar where the highest bidder was sold nuclear weapons technology.

Whether Khan was acting on his own, or at the behest of key military figures within the Pakistani establishment has yet to be determined.

Earlier this week, Pakistani diplomatic sources claimed Bhopal-born Khan spent $1 million in gifts and preparations for his two daughters' weddings.

This week, Pakistani opposition figures told rediff.com that Khan, who is compared by his well wishers to Albert Einstein, had been gifted a villa on the Caspian Sea and access to exclusive caviar fishing rights by Iran in exchange for vital information about uranium enrichment technology.

Then, one of Khan's former Dutch colleagues, who worked with the Pakistani scientist at the exclusive FDO laboratories in Amsterdam, told rediff.com how Khan used "every trick in the book" to steal confidential blueprints that facilitated Pakistan's nuclear breakthrough and established it as the world's seventh nuclear power after the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, France and India.

On Thursday night, Pakistani diplomatic sources, comparing Khan to a "Karol Bagh lala," detailed the metallurgist's purchase of a $400,000 Teflon marquee for one of his daughter's weddings as well as lavish gifts of BMWs and houses for his daughters and sons-in-law.

No questions were asked about Khan's lifestyle, his frequent trips abroad -- always first class -- and his lengthy periods of residence under an assumed name at some of the world's most expensive hotels.

Successive heads of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence ignored allegations of financial impropriety until 1990, when Lieutenant General Shamshur Rahman Kallu prepared a report for the attention of the then prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

The report gathered dust until fresh investigations were ordered on the instructions of ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmoud Ahmad, (Mustafa Ahmend of 9/11 fame : n) who handed his findings over to President Pervez Musharraf in 2001.

Late last year, unable to ignore the mounting evidence of Khan's lifestyle, Musharraf confronted Khan to ask why he had breached Pakistan's trust. :eek: in this whole business was when the Americans went to all the trouble to grab the Pakistani "detergent" and discovered that the shells were filled with lead.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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N Guru>> A classic indeed.
DO you know why they dont make movies like that?

Because we can see that happen in real life in Pakistan instead of reel life.

But we as (two year) age old of the forum know about this movie. For the benefit of folks who grew up with Big Bird, Barny, Tom & Jerry, SP Cohen comics
and other South Asian experts who double up as jokers in SD. Here is a quick synopsis.
****
Grand Fenwickians inadvertently enter the Cold War space race, with the US, USSR and UK all falling over themselves to try and either control or subvert the tiny country's absurdly rickety space program. There are fine character bits, with Ron Moody and Margaret Rutherford starring, respectively, as Grand Fenwick's prime minister and queen, but what makes this film an enduring classic is how deftly it satirizes the already-farcical propaganda wars between America and the Soviet Union (that Great Britain really factored in as a "player" in the Kennedy-era Cold War is a quaint, Bond-ian affectation...) A genuinely funny film that stands on its own dramatically, but which is also a priceless snapshot of the times it was made in. Recommended!
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Thus spoke the peace loving Non Proliferation Jihadi at FAS
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In a press release dated May 11, 1998 which appeared in FAS's web site at http://www.fas.org/press/India.htm (11/10/98), the FAS Executive Committee stated:

" Unless the Indian Government announces promptly its intention to ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) following these nuclear tests, the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) urges the Administration, in response to the Indian nuclear test to follow these principles:

1. Stern Action: Cancel the currently planned Presidential visit to India to signal the unhappiness of the United States over this setback to world order and the ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT);

2. No Reward: Refrain from providing India with any of the political advantages for which so many in India wanted these nuclear tests. In particular, India should not be considered for a permanent seat on the U. N. Security Council lest they, and others, see this as a reward for alleged "nuclear status";

<H3>3. Tilt Toward Pakistan: Provide suitable assurance to Pakistan if it would be willing not to pursue its nuclear tests and help it in appropriate ways;</h3>

4. Amend the Treaty: Prepare to amend CTBT Treaty at a forthcoming scheduled conference of early ratifiers so as to make Indian ratification unnecessary to the entry into force of the CTBT.

<h3>India has no need for nuclear weapons for a defense against its much weaker neighbor Pakistan or for its defense against its much stronger neighbor, on the other side of the Himalaya mountains, China. </h3>
<small> what a logic </small>
On the contrary, India’s action will rebound to India’s disadvantage as it tries to maintain a weak and vulnerable, expensive, nuclear deterrent in the context of an enhanced regional arms race that it can ill afford.

This action of India is that of a state that has abandoned its earlier true faith in arms control and peace, <u>based on both international and religious principles, and opted,</u> instead, for domestic political reasons for a policy of pursuing weapons of mass destruction. The dictionary defines a person or state that abandons one faith for another as a "renegade"."

FAS has removed the page from its website, but google has kindly cached it.

http://216.239.37.104/custom?q=cache:15fiKX8eh0YJ:www.fas.org/press/india.htm+India.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Lets see how long before it ends up on a do no search list
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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NY Times edit tomorrow:

Pakistan's Nuclear Responsibility
Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's military ruler, has a history of strong declarations, followed by weak and contradictory actions. Washington cannot settle for a repetition of this pattern in the Pakistani investigation into whether its nuclear scientists passed bomb technology to North Korea, Iran and Libya. All the links in this reckless supply chain — commercial, military or political — must be uncovered and severed.

Pakistan now appears to be one of the world's leading suppliers of illicit nuclear technology. In 2002, American satellites detected a Pakistani plane picking up missile components in North Korea, apparently as part of a barter deal for nuclear weapons technology. Last November, Iran told nuclear inspectors that its uranium enrichment programs had gotten crucial help from people in various nations who were probably linked to Pakistanis. And in recent weeks, Libya has indicated that its nuclear programs benefited from intermediaries in Dubai who may have been working with Pakistanis.

The picture now emerging points to an intricate underground network of traders in nuclear contraband. Filling in all the details depends on thoroughly questioning all those likely to have been involved and aggressively following up the leads provided by the new Iranian and Libyan disclosures.

It is not yet clear that General Musharraf is willing to do this. He has backed off from insisting that Pakistan was never involved in nuclear technology exports. He now claims that whatever problems existed came from rogue scientists, acting in pursuit of financial gain. The investigation he began under American pressure has so far centered on close associates of Abdul Qadeer Khan, the nuclear scientist who helped Pakistan illicitly obtain its own nuclear weapons secrets in the 1970's. Pakistani investigators must also probe whatever role senior military and political leaders may have played.

Such a wide-ranging investigation will not be easy for General Musharraf to undertake. The military high command is his most important power base. He is currently under attack from several directions and barely escaped two recent assassination attempts. Even so, Washington must insist that he not flinch from his responsibility to see that the nuclear technology pipeline from Pakistan is finally closed down. The world cannot afford a repetition of what seems to have happened in Iran, Libya and North Korea.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Originally posted by narayanan:

This week, Pakistani opposition figures told rediff.com that Khan, who is compared by his well wishers to Albert Einstein
:)
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The case of Pakistan merits particular attention. It has a small arsenal of nuclear weapons and has produced larger amounts of HEU. Its nuclear capacity is sometimes polemically referred to as the ‘Islamic bomb’. However, Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme was initially independent of religious motives or fundamentalism. Rather, it was initiated by the complex relationship with India. Pakistan has repeatedly stressed that it would not pass on any of its nuclear weapons and that it would not
cooperate with other states in this field. Little is known, however, about Pakistani national security measures. Parts of the population sympathize with the Taliban and radical terrorists. It is unknown whether religious fanatics could get access to nuclear material and could pass it on to terrorists. Two retired nuclear physicists who participated in the construction of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons were arrested at the end of October 2001.16 They are Taliban sympathizers, who had recent close contact with the former government of
Afghanistan. It is not clear whether they passed on nuclear material. They were released after a few
days, although the case will be investigated further.
Whether the Pakistani government is capable of preventing theft of nuclear materials remains
unknown. In Pakistan, the army has always had control over the nuclear activities, and the various
civilian governments were only marginally involved.17 The October 1999 coup eliminated the last
remaining civilian influence. The army may sympathize with the Taliban in the same way as the civilian
population and this support might increase, depending on how the military operation in Afghanistan
develops. There are reports claiming that Pakistani officers helped protect the Taliban from American
air strikes, which would be strictly against the orders of their President, General Pervez Musharraf.18
At present, Pakistan possesses 585–800kg of HEU and several kilograms of plutonium. This
amount would be enough for an estimated thirty to fifty warheads.19 The Pakistani government assures
that it is in full control of this nuclear material and of its nuclear weapons. However, there are indications that Pakistani physical protection is inadequate. <u>Over a year ago, Pakistan asked the United States for assistance to improve the physical protection of all nuclear material.</u>20 The parts containing nuclear material and the ignition mechanisms of Pakistani nuclear weapons are apparently stored in differentlocations.21 However, they are not protected against accidental detonation nor equipped with ‘Permissive Action Links’—protective devices preventing unauthorized ignition. If terrorists were to get hold of a Pakistani nuclear weapon, then they would be able to detonate it. The locations of Pakistani nuclear sites are kept secret, in contrast to those of the recognized nuclear-weapon states, which are easily identified because of their high degree of physical protection. The reason for this secrecy is that the physical protection in place would be unable to withstand a significant attack. <u>Immediately after the 11 September attacks, the nuclear-weapon components were transferred to other secret locations in Pakistan.<u> <small> by Unkil as said by ramana garu & N guru </small> The Pakistani government feared that the storage sites could be terrorist targets. These transfers also served the purpose of removing control over the nuclear weapons from religious hardliners inside the military.22
http://www.unidir.ch/pdf/articles/pdf-art1907.pdf
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Headline: A trap is laid for Pakistan - By Palvasha von Hassell -- Detail Story

What is to be made of Pakistan’s latest problem? Having strongly denied any transfer of technology between North Korea and Pakistan last year, the government of Pakistan has now been forced by the IAEA and American pressure to clamp down on its nuclear scientists for having possibly assisted not only North Korea through barter transactions, but also Iran and Libya in acquiring nuclear weapons. As if this weren’t bad enough, American authorities are investigating the case of an Israeli man charged with having tried to illegally export trigger devices from the US that can be used to detonate nuclear devices to Pakistan. This throws up some questions about the nature, weight and timing of the allegations that are worth going into.


To start with, who is making the allegations? Firstly there are the cats that are being let out of the bag by Iran and Libya after both countries capitulated to American and British demands on nuclear-related issues last December. Iran began sharing information with the IAEA about two months ago concerning its uranium enrichment programme. This was made public only recently, shortly after it agreed to let the IAEA inspect its nuclear facilities. It came out that the plans for Iran’s centrifuges are based on Urenco designs, the same European company whose technology Pakistan is said to have used to develop its nuclear bomb. Iran has indicated that they were provided with the material by middlemen. Urenco has denied selling the material to Iran, so the finger is being pointed at Pakistan. Mercifully, however, according to Western media, it is as yet unclear whether the plans for Iran’s centrifuges were provided by Pakistan or were stolen from a Pakistani lab.

Enter Libya: only days later, it renounces WMD and invites the IAEA to dismantle its nuclear programme. Soon after, President Gaddafi’s son makes the sensational revelation that Libya bought plans for its nuclear programme from Pakistani scientists, perfectly timed to increase the pressure on Islamabad, which had already taken some of the nuclear scientists at its KRL labs into custody for "debriefing" after the Iranian accusations. CIA officials point to the possibility of an indirect transfer from Pakistan at best. Here, also, the evidence is not conclusive. But it is the pointing of the finger that is damaging, even at this stage. Since Libya had had secret talks with Western officials for two months before giving up the nuclear option, it is not unlikely that the timing was pre-planned.

Last but not least, there is the role of the media, such as the anti-Pakistan reporting and commentary by the New York Times and The Washington Post on the subject. The NYT has been conducting an investigation in Washington, Vienna and Pakistan since October 2003 into Pakistan’s role in nuclear proliferation, and published the results on Dec 23, 2003. Nothing conclusive. The same newspaper reported in January 2004 on the matter of the trigger devices. According to this report, the American authorities began an investigation in Summer 2003, when an anonymous source in South Africa informed them about the illegal export of triggers from the US to Pakistan and — note — India through third countries. But why follow the India lead publicly, though India has been accused of having provided Iraq with nuclear technology in the past? Far more rewarding to follow an investigation that aims at proving that Pakistan not only proliferates nuclear technology, but buys equipment — at the military or state level — that can be used for activating nuclear devices. The lead that is being followed is that the Pakistani who received the devices in suspicious numbers in Pakistan has "contacts" to the military. Again inconclusive, but that is irrelevant.

Since Pakistan went nuclear in 1998, the US has been at considerable pains to collect circumstantial evidence pointing to a Pakistani role in Libya’s nuclear programme. There has been increased pressure on the Bush Administration by the American pro-Indian lobby including Congressmen, to take a harder line with nuclear Pakistan ever since Pakistan became necessary for the "fight against terror". In May 2003, the House International Relations Committee for the first time approved a bill, Section 108, requiring President Bush to report annually to Congress in 2004 and 2005 regarding Pakistani-sponsored terrorism in India and Pakistan’s part in the proliferation of nuclear weapons. This was the result of the efforts of the pro-India lobby in the US headed by the US-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC) and a Democratic Congressman. Though the pro-Pakistan lobby is doing its best to prevent its adoption by the full house, the damage has been done. The present orchestrated campaign against Pakistan appears to be the fruit of those efforts.

So does Pakistan have to fear that its nuclear weapons programme is under threat? Not really. That would jeopardise the stability of the present military-civilian set up in Pakistan, something damaging to US interests. Colin Powell has publicly said that the world should not worry about the "little bit of proliferation" on the sub-continent. The reason for this Pakistan-smear campaign is probably to appease the powerful US pro-India lobby, hard-line elements within the BJP and, of course, India, which is being pressurised by the US to accept "export controls" of "sensitive materials" to other countries — though in a more civilised way than in Pakistan’s case. In view of India’s refusal to sign the NPT, the long-term aim is probably to come at some sort of an alternative anti-proliferation agreement. The US is trying to get India on board as member of the Proliferation Security Initiative, a US-led seven-nation patrolling system for land, sea and air cargo, targeting "states and non-state actors of proliferation concern", that wants to expand its activities to international waters. India would like a closer definition of "states of proliferation control", not wanting to be lumped with Pakistan. The current attempts to discredit Pakistan as an irresponsible, "rogue" state with regard to proliferation come in handy here. It may be remembered that Washington objected in March 2001 to Russia supplying Indian nuclear reactors with nuclear fuel and that in February 2003, an Indian company and an Indian individual were sanctioned by the US for having assisted Iraq with its chemical and biological weapons programmes. But the Indian government was not sanctioned. Rather, it was praised for doing all it could to prevent proliferation.

So, if Pakistani scientists or others have proliferated clandestinely in the cases of Libya and Iran, ie without the knowledge of governments past or present, it is high time that they be punished for having seriously harmed the interests of the state. Nothing, however, is as yet substantiated, and everything should be done to ensure that they get a fair deal. In this connection, the Pakistani Interior Minister’s statement to the effect that government could consider a closed session of parliament to brief legislators on the ongoing investigation into the allegations of transfer of technology is helpful. In this matter of high national interest, it is important to act responsibly, take the right steps and make the right decisions.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=40065

Past crime, present fear


Scientists have been made scapegoats for the Pakistan army’s nuclear misadventure
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Originally posted by Calvin:
Folks - how does the Saudi - Pak nuke agreement of Sep 2003 fit into all this?
I submit that it could well be the classic Paki bluff, i.e.

"Don't push us too hard/mess with us/dig too deep/call us on our crimes....or we will make your worst nightmare come true."

I'd estimate that the original report about Paki-Saudi nuke transfer plans (ostensibly from a Saudi source) was published around the same time that all this evidence of covert Paki proliferation to Libya and Iran was coming to light, and the CIA had begun to ask related questions and renew pressure on Musharraf for the thorough de-briefing of AQ Khan and co. The Paki nuke establishment responded by planting that report, which raised the spectre of OPEN nuke transfer to KSA. IIRC a Chinese connection was very prominently flaunted in that report as well (something along the lines of "Chinese manufactured M-11 missiles along with Pakistani nuclear warheads will be sent to KSA".)

Quite likely the mentally deficient TSP nuclear establishment thought they could get away with scaring the US into "laying off" their proliferation transgressions with this cruddy piece of blackmail. Saudis with nukes, they reasoned, would be an even scarier prospect for the US and Israel than a Libya or Iran similarly armed. By bringing China into the picture, I'm guessing these morons were actually hoping to set up a defiant proliferation stand-off with the US on one side, and Saudi/TSP plus their all-weather friend on the other.

Next step behind the scenes: long talks between GOTUS and the Chinese. Following step in full public view: the Chinese do not even deign to mention the Paki-Saudi-Chinese nuke transfer deal being touted in the report; instead, they hold back even on the nuclear plant they were going to build for the Pakis, and openly chastise Musharraf on Pakistan's support for Xinjiang extremists. Musharraf goes home and, following more conversations with GOTUS, makes a woebegone speech about how the FATA may be in for daisy-cutters if Pakistan doesn't clean up its act.

Forget GUBO, those few months were sheer Colonoscopy for Delhi's distinguished son.

Its worth remembering that the purpose of such bluffing by TSP typically serves another purpose than blackmailing foreign governments. It is also meant, at least as much, for domestic consumption by hardliners who fear that Musharraf is flushing Pakistan's H&D down the toilet.

For instance, during Parakram, a Musharraf who was probably nuke-nude kept making statements to the effect of how India wouldn't dare make a move against Pakistan for fear of "unconventional reprisal". He saw it as his best bet for concealing the truth of Pakistan's nuke-nudity from the types of people who would hang him from a lamp-post with his nuts in his mouth if they knew the actual situation.

It's certainly conceivable, therefore that this great show of defiant plans to openly proliferate nukes to Saudi amounted to the kind of desperate, hysterical yelping Pakistan always resorts to when it knows its goose is just about cooked.
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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From the Wash. Times article posted by VTAbraham

...U.S. intelligence began suspecting AQK and President Pervez Musharraf
were not on the same page. ... For the past two
years, Mr. Musharraf suspected AQK was free-lancing his nuclear
assets, ... Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Mr. Musharraf conceded what he had long
denied. Pakistan's top nuclear scientists had provided nuclear
assistance to Iran's nuclear ambitions. ... He has now authorized leaks about AQK's
nuclear free-lancing in Iran and Libya. The leaks even suggested the
saintly figure of AQK had filled his own pockets, too. Whether
Mr. Musharraf is fearless or foolhardy remains to be determined.


The above is an exercise to let Mushy off the hook and pin all the
blame on AQK (and ISI). The article also slantly suggests that India
also wants to let Mushy off the hook. But then Mush controls ISI and
KRL. SO, my question is what is the end game for US? If Mush is left
in place, he will be promiscuous after lying low for some time.
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