https://twitter.com/writetake/status/737106066450710529

nileshjr wrote:EDIT: I saw the pic on twitter. Flaps were deployed and it looks like its few inches off the ground, unless my eyes are cheated by some spell.
nileshjr wrote:^^ Indeed.
I am thinking what exactly did the pilot do there. Did he rotate the a/c at V_rot and immediately levelled off for some distance before touch down again?? Or he didn't pull back the stick at all and just kept the jet level, the a/c got off the ground, remained off the ground for some distance before touch down. In second case it possible for the jet to go beyond it TO speed without generating enough lift for proper take off since AoA is not enough.
srikven wrote:"The Hindustan Turbo Trainer (HTT-40) is scheduled for its first flight between 8 am and 9 am. HAL officially is mum on the first flight, considering there will be an ‘official flight’ later in the presence of ‘biggies’ from Delhi.......
A young team of engineers and designers from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are praying for clear weather on Tuesday (May 31) morning so that their pet metal bird could kiss the sky for the first time.......
Read more at: http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ind ... -1.1095874
DPR @SpokespersonMoD 5h5 hours ago
Op capability of IAF gets major boost by relaunching of ALG Mechuka today by Air Marshal C. Hari Kumar AOC-in-C EAC. pic.twitter.com/Pj9SyLpHd5
Neela wrote:Can a commercial variant be derived from the HTT-40. ?
deejay wrote:Remembering a recent series of posts on Mechuka and surrounding again because of a tweet from AKM:
https://twitter.com/writetakeDPR @SpokespersonMoD 5h5 hours ago
Op capability of IAF gets major boost by relaunching of ALG Mechuka today by Air Marshal C. Hari Kumar AOC-in-C EAC. pic.twitter.com/Pj9SyLpHd5
I just love the sights of this place. Heavenly!
Yagnasri wrote:Mango question alert - Why not use Hamsa for basic training purpose then? I mean it sounds much cheaper than 32 Cr.
rakall wrote:Yagnasri wrote:Mango question alert - Why not use Hamsa for basic training purpose then? I mean it sounds much cheaper than 32 Cr.
Both are vastly different applications with different requirements/specifications.
Hansa has speed (210kmph), range (~850km), Cieling (10000ft) are much less than those required for military training purposes.. HTT40 brochure speed (450kmph), Cieling (6km) are twice that of Hansa. More over the HTT40 needs to pull higher G's than the Hansa + have ejection seats + mil grade electronics & FADEC equipped engine.. On top of that HTT40 also can be weaponized with rockets & dumb bombs..
Bhaskar_T wrote:Suvarna Raju (HAL Boss) congrats the entire HTT40 team (Tarmac tweets).
Many thanks Rakall. Another Mango question alert. I wish someone can quote similar statistics for Pilatus Trainer vs HTT40, at least cost of PC-Mk2? Is HTT40 a suitable replacement of Pilatus? Is it likely that HTT40 maturity (HAL delivery to IAF) happens once IAF gets all their 181 basic trainers from Pilatus? Was MII (Make In India) explored while importing PC Mk2? Does HAL assembles PC Mk2 or Pilatus assembles PC Mk2 somewhere in India?
PS - As per below article, IAF wanted 181 basic trainers, a firm order of 75 PC-7 MK2 was placed in 2012 by IAF. (Do not know how many have been delivered by Swiss). The remaining 106 were notionally split into 38 more from Pilatus and 68 from HAL (HTT40), mediated by MOD.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... m-pilatus/
rakall wrote:
The performance data of Pilatus is here http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/00-def/ ... 0Sheet.pdf
it is premature to compare speed, range of Pilatus with HTT40 now.. The numbers I quoted above were from a brochure in 2011-12. Different numbers are quoted in the below article.. Further there does not seem to be much price difference between Pilatus & HTT40. The advantage being building up design capability in-house & spending most of the money within India..
https://www.facebook.com/notes/indian-n ... 351612201/
Singha wrote:video of HTT40 takeoff https://twitter.com/BahadurManmohan/sta ... 2336897030
rakall wrote:Bhaskar_T wrote:Suvarna Raju (HAL Boss) congrats the entire HTT40 team (Tarmac tweets).
Many thanks Rakall. Another Mango question alert. I wish someone can quote similar statistics for Pilatus Trainer vs HTT40, at least cost of PC-Mk2? Is HTT40 a suitable replacement of Pilatus? Is it likely that HTT40 maturity (HAL delivery to IAF) happens once IAF gets all their 181 basic trainers from Pilatus? Was MII (Make In India) explored while importing PC Mk2? Does HAL assembles PC Mk2 or Pilatus assembles PC Mk2 somewhere in India?
PS - As per below article, IAF wanted 181 basic trainers, a firm order of 75 PC-7 MK2 was placed in 2012 by IAF. (Do not know how many have been delivered by Swiss). The remaining 106 were notionally split into 38 more from Pilatus and 68 from HAL (HTT40), mediated by MOD.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... m-pilatus/
The performance data of Pilatus is here http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/00-def/ ... 0Sheet.pdf
it is premature to compare speed, range of Pilatus with HTT40 now.. The numbers I quoted above were from a brochure in 2011-12. Different numbers are quoted in the below article.. Further there does not seem to be much price difference between Pilatus & HTT40. The advantage being building up design capability in-house & spending most of the money within India..
https://www.facebook.com/notes/indian-n ... 351612201/
PC-7s were used by the Iraqi Air Force for close air support in the Iran-Iraq war. They were also used to deliver chemical weapons against Iranian troops.[3]
The Chadian Air Force has used its small fleet of PC-7s to bomb rebel positions both in their own territory and in neighbouring Sudan.[4]
PC-7s were employed by the Guatemalan Air Force in air strikes and for close air support during the Guatemalan civil war, starting in 1982 until the end of the conflict in 1996. The PC-7s deployed from the airfield in La Aurora armed with gunpods and light rocket launchers.[5]
In 1994, Mexican Air Force armed PC-7s were used to attack Zapatista Army of National Liberation during the Chiapas conflict in Mexico. This action was considered illegal by the Swiss government because the airplanes were sold for training purposes only, and as result, Switzerland issued a ban to sell more units to Mexico.[6]
In the mid to late 1990s, Executive Outcomes, a private military contractor (PMC) led by Eben Barlow, utilised three armed PC-7s (ex-Bophuthatswana Air Force aircraft) to provide close air support during its operations in Sierra Leone.[7]
srai wrote: AFAIK, Pilatus can't be weaponized. Also, current government is investigating corruption in that deal. Both good news for HTT-40.
10.11.2015 Successful Delivery of the 75th PC-7 MkII to the Indian Air Force
deejay wrote:<SNIP> @Gyan ji, our rate of flying the aircraft is among the highest, if not the highest in the world. Training flying is not something you force a pupil to do. Per pupil instructional flying cannot exceed 02 sorties per day as per flight safety rules. As a general practice, our instructors would try not to push more than 01.
To further increase training hours per aircraft, we will need more pupils, more instructors and infrastructure for them. Once we increase the number of passing out pupils, we will need more fighter sqns to absorb them. Everything is linked. Nothing will work in isolation.
The number of aircraft procured is justified based on similar calculations of infrastructure, instructor, pupil, ratios of each vs. other and absorption on graduating pilots. These calculations are much more detailed than what I have mentioned.
Bhaskar_T wrote:...
Question remains, whether Indian bought Pilatus aircraft have hard armapoints, can they be weaponized?
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HAL officials made another powerful argument to the MoD on Thursday -- that "end user" agreements with Pilatus ban India from weaponising the PC-7 Mark II, which means kitting it out as a light fighter with guns, bombs and rockets.
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Karan M wrote:Not that we'd likely use them like that but the gall of some Pilatus dictating to India is just a bit much.
Neela wrote:IAF bought MkII
http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#6810.11.2015 Successful Delivery of the 75th PC-7 MkII to the Indian Air Force
Karan M wrote:Not that we'd likely use them like that but the gall of some Pilatus dictating to India is just a bit much.
deejay wrote:Karan M wrote:Not that we'd likely use them like that but the gall of some Pilatus dictating to India is just a bit much.
There are other problems with Pilatus agreement. I've heard there might be issues with warranty / guarantee clauses.
The Swiss were "shocked" to see the quantum of flying at AFA. Pls not to quote me on this as this is "overheard" only.
Hmmm...
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