Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 24 Jun 2016 17:56

People have to understand that UK had special membership. Border control,no Euro Zone and no integration with EU police and security org. There are many more. It is easy for them to go out (still will take 2-3 years). Other countries are much more integrated with other members.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Jun 2016 18:04

kit wrote:India should leave the commonwealth and stand for itself ..let the Elephant stand

I bet Modi will stand with the people of UK.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 24 Jun 2016 18:15

Since the (David) Cormorant has given up, may the (Nicola) Sturgeon multiply and swim free.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 24 Jun 2016 18:16

rsingh wrote:People have to understand that UK had special membership. Border control,no Euro Zone and no integration with EU police and security org. There are many more. It is easy for them to go out (still will take 2-3 years). Other countries are much more integrated with other members.

That was a smart move by Brits. Even currency wasn't shared.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jun 2016 18:20

do uk citizens get free movement and work without visa in EU? but not other way around ?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Jun 2016 18:21

AmnestyInternationalVerified account ‏@amnesty 34m34 minutes ago
#Brexit vote stained by the same xenophobia we're seeing in the US. This bigotry must always be rejected.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 24 Jun 2016 18:35

Singha wrote:do uk citizens get free movement and work without visa in EU? but not other way around ?

For EU citizens things are reciprocal. For non-EU folks, Schengen visa is not applicable to UK.

csubash · Post by **csubash** » 24 Jun 2016 18:42

Why do people think that Brexit is bad for Britian? The same elite & privileged one's said - it will be doom if Modi is elected. The sophisticated financial jugglery that happens in London has limited value to the rest of UK as well as to UK treasury. Scotland with oil as it's only revenue resource with most owned by england based companies will add little to EU & will join the list of PIIGS for dole out. If UK/England&Wales plays it's card right it has a probability getting out of the morass Europe has got itself into. On the other hand EU is significantly worse off without UK in its ranks. As a group Anglo-Saxons & Jews in US have a lot of pulling power & have very little love lost for europe. Wait till trump gets elected

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 24 Jun 2016 18:46

Scotland is sparsely populated, but has comparable land area to England. The population density of the UK as a whole is around two-thirds' that of India (yes, you read that right - two-thirds). If Scotland leaves, England's pop. density will be very much comparable to India's. So much for TFTA land - with little manufacturing and an exploding Islamism problem, India is going to look like paradise.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jun 2016 18:52

well the working classes of UK can always use bhaichara links to emigrate more to canada and australia.
the rest can continue to work in london financial and services sector as usual.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Jun 2016 18:53

EU top leaders ask UK to leave asap
meetings hurriedly called to avoid domino effect of Euro Skepticism.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... pean-union

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Jun 2016 19:00

My Swedish acquaintances, Bjorn Biglund and Sven Smalgand had a conference call with their family members in Britain (Biglund's married sister Saga Englund and Smalgand's half-brother Jerker Kockups). According to Englund and Kockups, who innocently voted leave (because their neighbours Asslam Khan and Shahid Butt asked them to, and they did not want to offend), there is a general sense that things are going too much to the right. But they don't mind. If that happens, Englund and Kockups have assured their relatives that they will return to Sweden and live in Kutlund, where they are sure to find neighbours just like Asslam and Butt.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Jun 2016 19:23

Flightglobal (6/24)

Airbus Says UK Exit From EU “Wake-Up Call” For Europe.
.. Airbus said that (brsoosai) “should be seen as a wake-up call for Europe and as a catalyst for change.” (L'Airboos) ... “had strongly backed the UK’s membership of the EU ahead of the 23 June referendum,” and had previously “warned that a UK exit from the EU would present long-term economic risks,” Airbus said, “We will work constructively with the UK government to minimise any impact on our operations,” adding, “Clearly we will continue to support our workforce and operate our UK facilities. We will study the longer-term consequences of this decision on the competitive environment.”

EasyJet Calls For Prioritization Of UK Access To EU Aviation Market. ... UK-based airline EasyJet looks to .. discussions with European governments “to ensure that its operations are not interrupted by (Brsoosai).” The budget carrier “says its initial aim is to ‘accelerate’ discussions with governments and regulators to make sure that the UK remains within the single European aviation market.” {Ha! Likely story!} “This would enable {pigs} to fly freely within the UK and between the UK and the EU, allow UK {pigs} to fly freely across Europe and would ensure that consumers continue to benefit from low fares.”

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Jun 2016 19:31

All I want to know is which parts of UK will have Sharia & Islamic Banking; when UK disintegrates. Rest all Maya onlee.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2016 19:42

SwamyG wrote:All I want to know is which parts of UK will have Sharia & Islamic Banking; when UK disintegrates. Rest all Maya onlee.

All parts!

Scotland because the SNP, the carrier of Scottish Nationalism, is more infatuated with Muslims than Indian National Congress.

England because the country-side English cannot let go of the Muslim-heavy cities like Londonistan because of the economy, and as such no wall is going to come up and the peacefuls would multiply and multiply.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 24 Jun 2016 19:47

Divide and rule in reverse

Welcome to Scottistan and United Emirates of England and Wales.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 24 Jun 2016 20:01

David is UK's Gorbachev. He never imagined this will go that far. BTW That guy with funny hairstyle reminds of Yeltsin.

BTW for young BRites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
watch it in full for more fun.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Jun 2016 20:08

With a single vote, England just screwed us all
It just occurred to me:
England, Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland, Other Outlying Slums, Falklands
Pakjab, Baluchistan, Sindh, Pakhtoonistan, Swat, Balwaristan

i.e., England == Pakjab!!

ManishC · Post by **ManishC** » 24 Jun 2016 20:09

UK - EU < 0

UKstanis have had too much Sun in their Daily Mirror

Allowing FDI in Media is a dangerous game.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 24 Jun 2016 20:11

Lilo wrote:
Lisa wrote:The Elephant in the room,

I predict at least one more country in the EU holding a referendum on EU exit. I can personally see the EU unraveling.
EU won't unravel .

The immigrants and islamization (eurostyle multiculti) was american pushed balancing strategy since the last 60 years as precondition to Marshall plan and all that subsequently entailed.Note the contrast in how massa only allowed the most talented into its borders : the creme-de-lacreme of world's talent
while
Germans were burdened with turks,
French with north africans,
Norwegians with pakis,
Dutch with pakis and pakilike etc
So much so that there is no euro country that is not blighted with islamist and jihadis now.

The whole eurostyle multiculturalism as pushed in Europe since end of WWll -i.e dominated by inbred Muslim immigrants(single males) - as opposed to the far more benign and efficient and profuse Indian or Chinese or indochinese then available(since 60s) is entirely an American pushed project.

Massa doesnt need euro countries getting too big for their designated shoes - they should just develop economically and culturally they must accept their homes and women being taken over by the aggressive malsis and the leftist elites must sing kumbaya for this eurostyle multiculturalism.In the past USSR was shown as the big red peril now Russia is projected as the white blue peril from the east.Wars and conflicts are engineered to prevent increasing interlinks b/w Russia and the Western Europe by installing puppet regimes in places like Ukraine (via color revolutions) - remember Ukraine(eastern european steppe) is the gateway to Russia(actually Eurasia) for Europe (as per mackinder).

All this while massa remains one gaint meat grinder where the massastyle multiculturalism implied that carefully selected brightest and the best(commonly from europe but also from rest of the world - only rarely from the Islamic world)are denuded of their original cultures and assimilated into the american mainstream by the second generation.
By third generation his/her bio will read like this - "She is of Spanish, German and Irish descent"

The churning rightwing in Europe is actually a reaction against the capitulation(since last 60yrs) of the euro elites ( perennially in leftist mold ever since the defeat of Nazism) in front of Massa and its poodles.

I think all this rebooting of EU will finally get rid of Marshall plan baggage (ultimately Nato too) as EU integrates east into the economies of cultural and technological powerhouses in Eurasian landmass starting with Russia

This post is completely almost correct except replace Massa with Joos. The Whites are getting spanked even in USA.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 24 Jun 2016 20:28

Once all the doom and gloom clears.. what I'm interested is in leaderships that will be involved in dealing with brexit. If EU and UK end up having a trade-war, then it is bad for everyone. But if they settle the split amicably, then it'll be alright for both.

Will the EU leaders worry about other states leaving EU and start a punish UK campaign? This will be the one to watch.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Jun 2016 20:32

EU has no desire to either prolong the Brexit process or provide concessions. They have to look at the bigger picture - if they give UK concessions, everyone and their dog will want their ownxits and concessions along with it. They have already asserted that the next UK PM must immediately begin the process of Brexit by invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. The PIIGS in particular would love an 'out of EU with EU benefits' deal . It is in EU's interest to make this a one off, by getting it done quickly and firmly, but that very action - like the Chinese in SoChiSea , will harm them long term anyway.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Jun 2016 20:36

EU netaship is no position to 'punish' anyone. Holland is next, and then Germany may decide to pull the props. France, Greece, Italy and Spain - Old World Culture - can form a Mutual Admiration Cartel of Non-Productivity. Oh, and add Turkey and Pakistan.

Oh yes, I forgot Switzerland and Denmark, the other productive nations there.

Sweden and Norway are left in a unique position, with increasing Pakistani occupation. Maybe rename themselves Shaalimaar West and Nisshat West.

As for Belgium, everyone will continue to trample them in the stampede in every direction.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 24 Jun 2016 20:36

Bouyed by Brexit, more EU countries talk of exit.

Right-wing and anti-immigrant parties in the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and France demanded referendums on membership of the union, while Italy's 5-Star movement said it would pursue its own proposal for a vote on the euro.

Turkeys dream of joining the EU will be true sometime int he future. It will be the only member.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Jun 2016 20:37

UlanBatori wrote:EU netaship is no position to 'punish' anyone. Holland is next, and then Germany may decide to pull the props. France, Greece, Italy and Spain - Old World Culture - can form a Mutual Admiration Cartel of Non-Productivity. Oh, and add Turkey and Pakistan.

Of course they're not in a position to punish anyone, but they HAVE to punish everyone. Like I said, same as China analogy above - they're compelled to do the bad thing to avoid the worse thing, but the worse thing will happen anyway. To quote a news item:

Expect a series of emergency meetings among E.U. leaders in coming days. Their message for Britain: If you’re leaving, go quickly. We don’t need the uncertainty. In particular, France and Germany face national elections next year. They will want to make clear to voters in their own countries that exit comes with a heavy cost.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2016 20:43

Vipul wrote:Bouyed by Brexit, more EU countries talk of exit.

Right-wing and anti-immigrant parties in the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and France demanded referendums on membership of the union, while Italy's 5-Star movement said it would pursue its own proposal for a vote on the euro.

Turkeys dream of joining the EU will be true sometime int he future. It will be the only member.

Putin should give David Cameron some board membership of some big company like Gazprom, or something.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Jun 2016 20:48

Apparently Pootin is very happy with Kaamroo and secretly telling his commanders, former was always his deep asset in Oiropa.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Jun 2016 21:06

there is vast resentment of tidal wave immigration, job outsourcing, lack of border control, etc., all promulgated by global elitists.

the globalists think they have it under control in the US, ..........maybe not......we'll have to wait and see......

Obama's immigration plan got neutralized by the Supremes........Billlary may not have it so easy inh the next term......

side note: could have made a fortune on s&p 500 index options today........but I chickened out yesterday......cluck, cluck, aw sh**........

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Jun 2016 21:12

Economist and FT are a joy to read today, for once.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 24 Jun 2016 21:24

Suraj wrote:It is in EU's interest to make this a one off, by getting it done quickly and firmly, but that very action - like the Chinese in SoChiSea , will harm them long term anyway.

Please elaborate.

member_29328 · Post by **member_29328** » 24 Jun 2016 21:28

UK is spending $56 billion on military, more than France and Germany (and India). Can it keep that up?
Gautam

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 24 Jun 2016 21:35

At one point the pound has fallen so much in dollar terms that the UK is no longer 5th biggest economy. I love it. After Scots leave the UK it will be much smaller one also.

UK can keep defense budget at current levels with little difficulty because they will be saving a net 10 Bill pounds a year by leave vote.

Trump is Scotland now. Perfect timing.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 24 Jun 2016 21:41

They will have to fence the Scotland border.......then Welsh.......so it is just starting.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Jun 2016 21:44

nawabs wrote:
Suraj wrote:It is in EU's interest to make this a one off, by getting it done quickly and firmly, but that very action - like the Chinese in SoChiSea , will harm them long term anyway.
Please elaborate.

Short term-ism . The EU have an immediate problem to deal with, and that is open secessionism from many parties. They also need to assert that the price of leaving is high. It compels them to overreach in showing 'there will be a price!' and doing so makes the long term problem that much worse for them. Same as how Chinese govt behaves - for all their talk of grand strategy for keeping everyone else busy, they've their entire peripheral neighbor set angry with them instead, except for two darling basketcases.

kit · Post by **kit** » 24 Jun 2016 22:25

An Italian financial crisis is looming in the background ..and that will be worse than brexit !!

kit · Post by **kit** » 24 Jun 2016 22:29

Scotland and Ireland looks likely to hold another referendum !! .. and rumblings for " freedom " from within EU

already

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Jun 2016 22:32

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-st ... to-me.html

Okay, so the idiots did it; they broke the UK.....

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 24 Jun 2016 22:33

kit wrote:Scotland and Ireland looks likely to hold another referendum !! .. and rumblings for " freedom " from within EU already

The question is, will they carve out a separate homeland from Europe for poor Muslims to pray in peace and practice their religion.

I strongly exhort Europeans to grant this to prevent armed struggle.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 24 Jun 2016 23:09

Thereek-e-Londonistan

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 905040.cms

After Brexit, Londoners demand independence from UK

LONDON: Tens of thousands of Londoners signed a petition for their metropolis to stay in the European Union on Friday, as Mayor Sadiq Khan said the city must have a say in Britain's exit negotiations.
More than 40,000 people signed a petition on the change.org website saying: "Declare London independent from the UK and apply to join the EU".

can we propose to have separate electorates ?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Jun 2016 23:49

someone published a chart earlier today (not sure where but its on FB) of the correlation between voting decision and education level. very clear trend that the better educated voted in and the less educated voted out.

also the under 35's overwhelmingly voted in and the over 50's mostly out

have heard a few people saying - 'oh i didn't realise it was that serious?! i voted out to teach the government a lesson!'; and i even heard someone say they were leaving because they heard that the EU was going to ban vegetarian food...

it is a fact that more educated people have travelled a lot more in europe and the world and have a different perception of being part of a globalised or even europeanised model than those who have not.

the take back your sovereignty argument has struck a chord with old rural folks - mostly hankering back to rule brittania dins...

there is another factor to remember

1. farrage and ukip are a neo fascist movement and will be BAD NEWS for Indians in Britain, even if they pretend otherwise now
2. michael gove led this movement to take badla on dawood karman firing him from the cabinet a few years ago
3. boris johnson is an old classmate of dawood kamran and is just as elitist as him and he is in the movement to try and become the next PM

none of these bozos really gives a damn about the rural yokels dreaming of the good old dins

all of the above will be applicable to the trump election which is now imminent. the donald has been maalishing his mijjile (with his small hands) in scotland already

and exit will enhance the recession and poverty and once the east europeans are gone, the brits will turn once more on the browns and blacks
big mistake for british indians to vote exit