Army strikes terror camps in PoK

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 05 Oct 2016 15:48

Aditya_V wrote:What kind of dirty scum are these. People were being moved as a precautionaary measure from being soft targets and these guys are making politics out of this.

ARE WE AT WAR WITH PAK? CAPT ASKS MODI

Despite that rather pointless last line (insurance against gora opprobium), this was a good writeup from open sources. I remember the 1998 one, TIMES ran an article showing a fierce Sardar jawan as the article banner. The article talked about illumination rounds etc, since those were pre-NVG days

kedariprasad · Post by **kedariprasad** » 05 Oct 2016 16:04

Pakistani Journalist Stopped midway by UNSC President, When he tried to Talk Against India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpNPhGkbY8

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 05 Oct 2016 16:14

If baki denial is suiting IA, then why would we want to forcefully prove the strike? Just let it be. The perception battle and the battle on the ground have both been already won comprehensively. Now we need to focus on the next strikes without being distracted

luther_vick · Post by **luther_vick** » 05 Oct 2016 16:43

To me it looks like pAAP is being dictated by friends (aka donors) in Dubai to release the video so some ops details can be revealed and similar strikes can be prevented in future.

Jdu/Khangress followed Shree420 just to get some political mileage. But they are not winning because pmo does not gives in that easy

BTW pAAP proxies abroad are running two parallel campaigns on facebook, one asking proof is not treason, why not show to the world what happened and two MMS also did surgical strikes

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 05 Oct 2016 16:52

If surgical strike was IA's decision and was not owned by UPeeYey as per congoon's own statement, then how can they claim as their achievement now?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Oct 2016 17:00

Funny how not one single person spoke of perception battle when GoI was being accused of weakness. Now suddenly people are deeply worried about Modi's perception battle. The hypocrisy is not mind boggling. It is typical.

williams · Post by **williams** » 05 Oct 2016 17:00

I was one of many who would like to see the videos. This is not to find proof but to watch the pigs die. But now I am fairly convinced that govt should not release it. There are very crucial intel about our night vision capability, drone capability and SF tactics that will be embedded in there. Even satellite picture will reveal many sensitive information. We should simply move on. No AAP, Congi propaganda is going to work here. Modi earned enough support from the main stream. From political stand point also he should have changed many minds.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 05 Oct 2016 17:05

williams wrote:I was one of many who would like to see the videos. This is not to find proof but to watch the pigs die. But now I am fairly convinced that govt should not release it. There are very crucial intel about our night vision capability, drone capability and SF tactics that will be embedded in there. Even satellite picture will reveal many sensitive information. We should simply move on. No AAP, Congi propaganda is going to work here. Modi earned enough support from the main stream. From political stand point also he should have changed many minds.

+1

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 17:06

I can attest to that fact!
One picture / video will give SO much intel info, it is unimaginable.
And this is a secret op.
This needs to be classified for like 20 yrs pronto!

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 05 Oct 2016 17:08

vinod wrote:Asking for video footage reminds of me of a friend showing me his yet to be born baby's ultrasound pictures long ago and describing things. Wasn't sure whether the pictures were of his baby, couldn't make out where the legs or hands where.. etc. I couldn't even make out whether it was a girl or boy.

So, no thanks, no footage required. No value addition to me as a common man.

Well, maybe somebody should ask Khujli to release the video of HIS surgical strike! Actually somebody has, here is the plaintive cry from a Khujli 'admirer'

https://www.facebook.com/CyberSipahis/?fref=ts

में आपका बेसक विरोधी हूँ मगर इस मुद्दे पर में आपको सपोर्ट करता हूँ मेरा सैल्यूट है आपको ,,,,

ये संघी कह रहे थे आप अपने बच्चे के बाप नही हो ,,,,
बजरंग दल वाले भी , विश्व हिंदू परिषद वाले भी यही बोल रहे हैं,,,

ये बीजेपी वाले तो लंबे लंबे आर्टिकल , कॉलम लिख कर आपको आपके बच्चे के बाप ना होने का दावा ठोक रहे है ,,,

केजरीवाल जी हमें आपकी मर्दानगी पर शक नही पर हम चाहते है आप इन संघियो , भक्तों, आरएसएस वालों द्वारा चलाये जा रहे इस झूठे प्रोपगेंडे का जबाब दें,,,

हम चाहते है आप उस ऐतिहासिक रात का वीडियो सार्वजानिक करें जब आप ने बाप बनने के लिए सर्जिकल स्ट्राइक की थी ,,,

भारत माता की जय ।

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 05 Oct 2016 17:38

Christopher Sidor wrote:
There is another aspect which generally goes unreported. BJP and it allies have by attacking AAP and Congress are making an impression of having something to hide. Their aggressiveness and hiding behind the so called claim that by asking for proof we are questioning the Army and it action is not convincing. In India the Armed Forces are subordinate to the political class. So if the IA had done some actions and its actions led to some questions being asked then those questions are for the political ruling class to answer. Moreover this feeds into the so called "intolerance" of BJP and its allies. This war of "perception" has not been won over by BJP still.

I hope you realise you are standing on thin ice here. According to one research I read the other day, when confronted an honest person is far more likely to counter vehemently and aggressively. Whereas a person who was lying will try to come up with calm and composed replies with more proofs about how he was not telling lies. How about that??

I generally don't give much to such researches, but while you are bomb-barding us with illogical arguments, why not...

zoverian · Post by **zoverian** » 05 Oct 2016 17:40

Primus wrote:
vinod wrote:Asking for video footage reminds of me of a friend showing me his yet to be born baby's ultrasound pictures long ago and describing things. Wasn't sure whether the pictures were of his baby, couldn't make out where the legs or hands where.. etc. I couldn't even make out whether it was a girl or boy.

So, no thanks, no footage required. No value addition to me as a common man.
Well, maybe somebody should ask Khujli to release the video of HIS surgical strike! Actually somebody has, here is the plaintive cry from a Khujli fan

https://www.facebook.com/CyberSipahis/?fref=ts

में आपका बेसक विरोधी हूँ मगर इस मुद्दे पर में आपको सपोर्ट करता हूँ मेरा सैल्यूट है आपको ,,,,

ये संघी कह रहे थे आप अपने बच्चे के बाप नही हो ,,,,
बजरंग दल वाले भी , विश्व हिंदू परिषद वाले भी यही बोल रहे हैं,,,

ये बीजेपी वाले तो लंबे लंबे आर्टिकल , कॉलम लिख कर आपको आपके बच्चे के बाप ना होने का दावा ठोक रहे है ,,,

केजरीवाल जी हमें आपकी मर्दानगी पर शक नही पर हम चाहते है आप इन संघियो , भक्तों, आरएसएस वालों द्वारा चलाये जा रहे इस झूठे प्रोपगेंडे का जबाब दें,,,

हम चाहते है आप उस ऐतिहासिक रात का वीडियो सार्वजानिक करें जब आप ने बाप बनने के लिए सर्जिकल स्ट्राइक की थी ,,,

भारत माता की जय ।

+1

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 05 Oct 2016 17:54

good one primus made my day

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 05 Oct 2016 17:57

stop trolling christopher sidor

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 18:03

Pakis will try BAT action, push more jihadis before the snowfall.
IA aims to carry out hypervigilence, I think limited strikes over the next 6 months.

The haramigiri that Pakistan did in the valley this summer will have consequences for the separatists, Jihadi groups, Pak Fauj and Pakistan itself. 4 tiered response.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 05 Oct 2016 18:11

How long before we start using drones? The way forward should be more strikes and regular strikes. Eventually the dead terrorists kin will start making a noise and pictures of the carnage will appear too. Everybody will get the proof they want.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 18:16

India wanted to buy the full stealth Avenger drones from massa, but that is in limbo as Ombaba wants to take all the steps carefully.
Once a tech is denied, we will eventually see DRDO speed up its own stealth attack drone program, but DRDO is terribly short staffed I hear.

The problem with drone strikes is collateral damage.
The most effective way of avoiding this and taking out a target precisely is a commando raid, with a very intelligent operative making second to second decisions. Almost no collateral damage.
Also we should remember that POK residents are Indian. They are sick and tired of Pak Fauj, and will be happier joining a much more caring and successful India.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Oct 2016 18:27

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Sicanta wrote:European Parliament official backs India’s LoC strikes

Full text of the above cited article titled “India’s War on Terror” by Ryszard Czarnecki, Vice President, European Parliament, that appeared in EP Today, follows.

EP Today describes itself as “a monthly news magazine for the European Parliament. EP Today is designed only for the MEPs to write article about issues which they think are currently important and need attention of all their colleagues and other policy makers. EPT does not carry daily news as other leading newspaper’s do, it carries policy opinions by the Members of the European Parliament.”:

All in All an article that is quite supportive of India’s actions to tackle Mohammadden Terrorism fomented by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

India’s War on Terror

Written by: Ryszard Czarnecki, Vice President, European Parliament on October 4, 2016.

On September 29, 2016, the Indian government informed the international community, both through diplomatic channels and the media, that it’s Army had carried out action against Pakistani terrorists who had assembled in small groups on the Pak-controlled side of its border in Kashmir, and had plans to enter India to carry out terror activities. According to the Indian Army statement, ‘significant casualties’ were inflicted on the terrorists. The message that came out was loud and clear – that India would no longer allow Pakistan to fuel cross-border terrorism. This proactive operation, carried out on Pak-controlled territory, was probably a first by India, and was a response to the two attacks by terror groups on Indian defence establishments earlier this year – the Pathankot Air base in January and the Uri Army camp in September. Both these establishments are located near the Indian border with Pakistan, and the attacks were carried out by Pak-based terror groups who had sneaked across the border into India.

The Pak government’s response to India’s statement was on expected lines. A spokesman of the Pak military described India’s announcement as “totally baseless and a complete lie”, adding that “the notion of surgical strikes linked to alleged terrorist bases is an illusion being deliberately generated by India to create false effects”. Pakistan has instead preferred to label the incident as a routine exchange of fire, in which it lost two soldiers, with another nine being wounded. For long, Pakistan has denied that anti-India terror groups and camps are operating in Pak-administered Kashmir, or other parts of the country. Hence it was unlikely that the Pak government would acknowledge that the Indian Army had neutralised some of these terror bases, whose very existence it has always denied.

Activities of Pak terror groups, usually supported by the country’s security establishment, have been extensively reported in the international media, over the last few years. The close association of the Pak defence establishment with the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network is also well known, and the European Union has listed some of these Pak-based terror groups, including the Hizbul Mujahideen, on its terror list.

While earlier, groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba or Jaish-e-Muhammad were seen as a threat to Indian assets and as operating only in South Asia, over the recent past, we have witnessed the alarming growth of Pak-linked terror modules in Europe and other parts of the world. The close proximity between the Pak security establishment and extremist / terror groups has also given rise to a situation where organisations propagating Islamic militancy in Pakistan enjoy de-facto State patronage, including in their call to Pakistani youth to participate in the ‘global jihad’. Evidence of this is available in the blatant manner in which UN-proscribed individuals and organisations are permitted to threaten attacks against the Western world in public meetings in different parts of Pakistan. This radicalisation is also evident in arrests worldwide, including in the European Union, of Pak youth for their involvement in terror activities. Examples are the arrest of Mohd Usman Ghani by the Austrian police for his links to the Paris terror attack in November 2015, the arrest of 18 Pak nationals by the Italian security agencies in 2015 for their association with international terrorism, and of 3 Pakistani nationals by the Spanish police in July 2016 for spreading jihadist ideology.

Over the last few years, the EU has experienced a large number of casualties caused by terror attacks, and there is every likelihood that we will continue to face an increasing number of threats from jihadist groups and individuals, in the near future. This rising threat calls for an effective response by us, to groups and states that sponsor terror, and support to states that are dealing with such threats. The need of the hour, therefore, is for the international community to stand together and cooperate in the common fight against terrorism.

India’s cross-border action against terrorists on its borders with Pakistan should be commended and supported by the international community. India has clearly indicated that these attacks were not against the Pakistani state, but focussed against terror groups that threatened peace and stability in the region. India deserves global support in its fight against terror emanating from Pakistan, for if left unchecked, these individuals and groups would be attacking Europe and the West, soon. It is also important for the European Union to maintain pressure on Pakistan to eliminate the terror networks that operate within its borders. The time has come for the world to act decisively against terrorism and ensure that no terror group is assured of a secure haven in any part of the world.

EP Today

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Oct 2016 18:30

Drones, missiles, glide bombs are all escalatory in the present context. Our response will most likely follow the Bakis action but will be a little louder. If the escalation has to happen GOI will prefer the Bakis make the first strike.

At the present Modi is trying to impress upon the Bakis that every action will invite a slightly larger reaction of *similar* kind. He is not wanting to start a war with the Bakis just now. At least that is my reading of the situation based on what I have seen the last 2-3 years.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 05 Oct 2016 18:31

Why are napakis and their buddies so keen on watching video clip of the trailer? If they wait they will have a live telecast of the main movie as it unfolds. Anyways, jihadis in uniform must have already browned the pants. This clamor for proof is one way of stalling further army strikes, so thinks the uniformed jihadi.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Oct 2016 18:34

arun wrote:X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Sicanta wrote:European Parliament official backs India’s LoC strikes

I wouldn't make much of this though it signals the way the winds are blowing in Europe.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Oct 2016 18:35

JwalaMukhi wrote:Why are napakis and their buddies so keen on watching video clip of the trailer? If they wait they will have a live telecast of the main movie as it unfolds. Anyways, jihadis in uniform must have already browned the pants. This clamor for proof is one way of stalling further army strikes, so thinks the uniformed jihadi.

Intel to counter future incursions.

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 05 Oct 2016 18:50

I see Chinese hand in these things more and more. It could be the Chinese want to dissect all evidence to weigh us up. The video will be a bonus for them just like they got to play with the US helo that crashed during the Osama ops.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 18:51

Europeans are fearful of the Pakistani influx amongst the million odd "Syrian" refugees that they have let in.
One part of them is hoping that India will heat things up locally so that the Jihadis return to their land to wage jihad against India, and leave them alone.
Every bit counts.
We'll know for sure they've turned the corner, once they openly support us, condemn pak fauj and sanction them for terrorism. That is not happening yet.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 05 Oct 2016 18:56

Primus wrote:

हम चाहते है आप उस ऐतिहासिक रात का वीडियो सार्वजानिक करें जब आप ने बाप बनने के लिए सर्जिकल स्ट्राइक की थी ,,,

भारत माता की जय ।

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 18:57

The videos will be a bonus for everyone. Massans, south koreans, cheeni, etc, you name it, they want to see it.
What will the pakis do with the videos hain ji? They'll only mutter AoA, shout Jeehard and move on.
ISI types will be trying to find ways to have better defenses for future camps.

I think that they have lost quite a few Tabiz-walas: The ones who give the final motivation sermon, kiss the cannon-fodder jihadi's forehead and hang a tabiz around his neck, before they are sent across to kill and die.
These Tabiz-walas are pretty high on the pecking order, and shuttle between training camps and launch points, coordinating the whole op. These guys have op details, plans etc. Most vanilla jihadis are infiltrated across without a plan, asked to lie low and await instructions.
The Tabiz walas will then send info through usual channels for a particular strike.

These guys must be personally known to Md Saeed, and ISI walas, they're probably all ex-fauji. Hence the angst and the pain across the board in La La Land.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Oct 2016 19:12

pankajs wrote:
JwalaMukhi wrote:Why are napakis and their buddies so keen on watching video clip of the trailer? If they wait they will have a live telecast of the main movie as it unfolds. Anyways, jihadis in uniform must have already browned the pants. This clamor for proof is one way of stalling further army strikes, so thinks the uniformed jihadi.
Intel to counter future incursions.

Our satellite capabilities are an unknown to them. The use of satellite imagery has flabbergasted them, both the pakis and the hans. It means that their unholy activities in paki terror camps and han dam building sites are being constantly being monitored by us too, apart from other interested parties and we are the only actually "interested" power in the region with satellites constantly in the orbit of interest.

Our operational details on video will allow the paki planners to assess the details of our satellite resolution et al. We routinely sell satellite imagery to commercial users across the world but this is a different beast to our military imagery.

Do not release the video under any circumstances.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Oct 2016 19:16

Gagan wrote:The videos will be a bonus for everyone. Massans, south koreans, cheeni, etc, you name it, they want to see it.
What will the pakis do with the videos hain ji? They'll only mutter AoA, shout Jeehard and move on.
ISI types will be trying to find ways to have better defenses for future camps.

I think that they have lost quite a few Tabiz-walas: The ones who give the final motivation sermon, kiss the cannon-fodder jihadi's forehead and hang a tabiz around his neck, before they are sent across to kill and die.
These Tabiz-walas are pretty high on the pecking order, and shuttle between training camps and launch points, coordinating the whole op. These guys have op details, plans etc. Most vanilla jihadis are infiltrated across without a plan, asked to lie low and await instructions.
The Tabiz walas will then send info through usual channels for a particular strike.

These guys must be personally known to Md Saeed, and ISI walas, they're probably all ex-fauji. Hence the angst and the pain across the board in La La Land.

WHATEVER video you put out, the pakis and their paid poodles in India will diss it and scream "doctored video". Han "experts" will solemnly weigh in with "their" assessment of the doctoring. cross experts from the US and the rest of the world will diss it because how can the yindoo Indians be allowed to have such advanced capabilities??.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Oct 2016 19:25

Guys, please help me recall. When US navy seals took out OBL right from under TSPA/ISI arses, I don't quite recall what evidence they put out. Certainly they did not show the dead body of OBL. I recall they showed some helicopters landing in front of a building and some gun fire. Similar stuff if India were to put out will be dismissed first by Pakis, and dissected to the dickens by scum bags like Perkovich or Dalton and who will be invited to do the same on UnDy; how dare smelly, darky Hindus be capable of something like that!!!! But the force and conviction with which US announced the decision, the nationalist fervor that was set in motion (apparently, people in DC came out dancing) left no one in any doubt. Sadly, India is being robbed of the same national pride and catharsis by the inbred traitors.

James B · Post by **James B** » 05 Oct 2016 19:29

News18 is playing an Audio of SP Mirpur (PoK) talking to News18 Employee posing as IG of the Area. Per the audio conversation, surgical strikes happened & there were 12 casualities

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/783663960960577536

And then this

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 05 Oct 2016 19:30

Lets see if all the Pak pasands trust this Paki SP.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/live-new ... 36026.html

Live newsbreak: Police SP from Pakistan's Mirpur confirms India's surgical strikes

luther_vick · Post by **luther_vick** » 05 Oct 2016 19:44

Wondering if IA/GOI accounted for "pseudos" when declaring that there is a Video. It was probably done to counter imminent Baki denial.

But what's stopping GOI to bring dumbo Gandhi to some IA office and play him clips of Call of duty or Battlefield , he can't tell the difference anyways.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 19:51

That SP might be a plant.
The DDM fools will transmit this all over, then Pee TV will cooly go there and interview the guy or some other guy who will claim to be the real SP, and completely deny any such conversation.

Standard Lahori logic - they'll thereby, hence proved, say that Indian raid was a 'daaraaamaaa' by Mooodi.

Arjunn · Post by **Arjunn** » 05 Oct 2016 19:53

Great job by the army. If not for politics interfering in procurement of advanced equipment for the army, bakis wouldn't have had the courage to even think about attacking Uri. We need someone at the helm of India who will not allow politics to interfere with procurement or allow the babus at MOD to dominate and repress the fighting ability of our defense forces, as is happening now.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 20:02

US Media - India's Surgical Strikes are a Legitimate Response to Pakistan - CNBC Discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOXkYeUp7w

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Oct 2016 20:03

US Media - Tough Modi Sends a Strong Message to Pakistan with Surgical Strikes on Terror Camps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YLO5Z6hCis

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Oct 2016 20:03

hnair wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:What kind of dirty scum are these. People were being moved as a precautionaary measure from being soft targets and these guys are making politics out of this.

ARE WE AT WAR WITH PAK? CAPT ASKS MODI
Despite that rather pointless last line (insurance against gora opprobium), this was a good writeup from open sources. I remember the 1998 one, TIMES ran an article showing a fierce Sardar jawan as the article banner. The article talked about illumination rounds etc, since those were pre-NVG days

The capt has very very considerable assets in lahore, that being the last sikh capital. he also has a paki mistress who he quite openly parades around publicly, in all his maharaja like splendor.

He has personal business dealings in pakiland that he will not jeopardize.

he thus has intimate contact with the paki elites, a lot of whom hob nob with him frequently in Indian punjab, not caring a damn for the GOI.

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 05 Oct 2016 20:17

It is sad but self-evident in these situations how "argumentative" we are as a nation about all this - such as with this call for evidence of surgical strike - even though such labels usually are poor generalizations. Most other nations will never even think about these kind of arguments and even if the question came up, would gladly leave it to the strategic planners and the government of the day. The pages of opinions, MBs of data and hours of media jousts on this topic will exceed by several orders of magnitude any productive use that comes out of the actual outcome (one way or the other).

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 05 Oct 2016 20:21

graphic account of commando;s attack likely to be released, many media houses have accessed part of it and flabbergasted http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-3065975/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Oct 2016 20:30

IndraD wrote:graphic account of commando;s attack likely to be released, many media houses have accessed part of it and flabbergasted http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-3065975/

Praveen Swami acts like he is a neutral judge as to whether India army is lying or Paki govt is hiding something. He is waiting for "both govts" to give info