Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 08:49

Recently video emerged of a mobile man portable crane used to latch atop the bangladesh border and used to lift and swing across cows by smugglers. So even a tough fence is no deterrent to the faithfools

https://youtu.be/ojKxaih6T6k

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 08 Oct 2016 09:52

Just install proximity sensors every 5 meters.They are dirt cheap and wire them to nearest outpost every few kms and provide dirt bike or quad bikes to jawans to quickly follow up activities. If there are 5000 km of border I see no more than 500 post one every 10 km and would require less than 2000 quad bikes to sort the issue out..they don't need to be taxing by walking along 3 times a day near fences.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 08 Oct 2016 10:08

Prem wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Wouldn't we claim if we had him? What good is keeping his capture a secret ? What more H&D loss for the pakis than having such a HVT captured?
Strange that he has missed public appearance at this juncture . I guess claim will come after we arrest him in Nepal or strayed Dingy on the way to Dubai from Karachi.There is Red Corner alert for him.

May be they are hiding him. Also, how likely is it that he'd be present just few kms from the LoC for our commandos to pick him up. I'd believe he'd be located far from the border in a guarded place.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Oct 2016 10:14

arun wrote:X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Various earlier posted stuff on BRF for background.

The Video with a hat tip to Narad :

CNN-NEWS18 SPEAKS TO SP OF MIRPUR IN POK

The story in text:

Surgical Strikes: Despite Days of Doctoring by Pakistan, Here's Proof From Across LoC

The Full Text of CNN TV 18’s conversation with Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir:

Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation That Exposed Pakistan
Very interesting and significant that the CNN-TV18 story linked above where CNN TV18 has disclosed that their journalist Manoj Gupta had conned Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir into confirming India’s post-Uri croos Loc Boots on the Ground Surgical Strike by pretending to be Akbar’s (fictitious?) superior IG Mushtaq, has not been mentioned in any English language newspaper in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan despite the passage of some 48 hours even if only to debunk CNN TV18’s story. Thus no mention of this news in Dawn, The News, Jang’s Nation, Daily Times or Express Tribune.

The Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic certainly have the ability, even during times the Islamic Republic is ostensibly run by civilians, to throttle any story that shows the Uniformed Jihadi’s to have lied to her civilian citizens.

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

The Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign affairs claims that person whom CNN TV18 recorded is not Ghulam Akbar, SP Special Branch, Mirpur Range, Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

No mention of this denial in Dawn, The News, Jang’s Nation, Daily Times or Express Tribune as well:

Indian TV channel affiliate of CNN airs fake interview, editor impersonates as IG Punjab, Pakistan

(2016-10-06) CNN News 18 Global Exclusive, an Indian affiliate of CNN International, has aired a forged interview of SP Special Branch AJK, Mr Ghulam Akbar, in which he has allegedly confirmed India's surgical strike. The Reporter impersonated himself as Inspector General Police Punjab.

SP Ghulam Akbar has categorically denied having spoken over phone and that it is not even his voice on the recording run by the said Indian TV channel. It is highly regrettable that the said Indian TV channel, affiliated to a world renowned media house CNN, indulged in an unethical and fraudulent act.

Pakistan strongly denounces Indian media's despicable act of fraud of airing of a fake program aimed at twisting and fabricating stories for domestic political consumption. This is a clear indication that certain quarters in India are desperate to prove Indian false claim of surgical strike by hook or by crook.

We hope that CNN would take up the matter very seriously with the affiliate Indian TV channel and initiate action against the channel, as not doing so will be regarded as directly owning to this unethical and manipulative act. We reserve the right to take necessary legal action against the said TV channel.

Islamabad
06 October 2016

From here:

Clicky

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 08 Oct 2016 11:45

Deejay, Rudradev and SwamyG,

Thank you all for your comments and hope to present further 'actionable evidence' in future.

Muns.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 08 Oct 2016 12:01

hanumadu wrote:
ramana wrote:^^^ You want video?
If a regiment crossed LOC deep into Paki territory, there would be plenty videos by now. Point is it's a highly unlikely scenario reported by no one but Quint.

DGMO did not mention of anything between Sep 20th plus or minus 02 days. He spoke of one action and that is all. Rest is unconfirmed hence speculative.

What is interesting is that the story by Quint of Sep 20th leaked and peaked just before, during and post the speech of Nawaz at UNGA. Then it died. The story it appears to me had a purpose and that seems to have been achieved.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 08 Oct 2016 13:24

No smoke without fire.

Quint story is not believable on some counts but it could be b they for wiff of feint missions, recon missions or sub tactical army ops. Suman Sharma confirmed the story.

kvjayan · Post by **kvjayan** » 08 Oct 2016 16:48

"NDTV drops Chidambaram's interview on surgical strikes, says India's security can't be compromised"

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ndtv-dro ... 40898.html

"National security cannot be compromised by politics. The current political debate threatens to do this. NDTV will not air any remarks that risk security for political advantage," NDTV had tweeted on 6 October.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2016 17:24

Karthik S wrote:Wouldn't we claim if we had him? What good is keeping his capture a secret ? What more H&D loss for the pakis than having such a HVT captured?

May be waiting to sneak into Houristan after being fricassed by flamethrower. (just being hopeful here..) Silence is curious.
NO, I don't think there is any benefit to announcing his capture. What would be the point?
Agitations and suicides in JNU, AMU, Srinagar, Hyderabad U?
Arvind Kejriwal going on hunger strike?
Arundhati Roy braying?

Much more value in putting him on Sodium Pentathol while experiencing negative gravity.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 08 Oct 2016 17:40

kvjayan wrote:"NDTV drops Chidambaram's interview on surgical strikes, says India's security can't be compromised"

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ndtv-dro ... 40898.html

"National security cannot be compromised by politics. The current political debate threatens to do this. NDTV will not air any remarks that risk security for political advantage," NDTV had tweeted on 6 October.

Really. Any ED or income tax cases freshly underway?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 17:43

If even half the quint thing was true no wonder pakis were confused and scared ..flying f16 over pindi dropping flares to send a message to usa consulate

kvjayan · Post by **kvjayan** » 08 Oct 2016 18:31

Yagnasri wrote:
kvjayan wrote:"NDTV drops Chidambaram's interview on surgical strikes, says India's security can't be compromised"

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ndtv-dro ... 40898.html

"National security cannot be compromised by politics. The current political debate threatens to do this. NDTV will not air any remarks that risk security for political advantage," NDTV had tweeted on 6 October.
Really. Any ED or income tax cases freshly underway?

Or, NDTV is trying desperately, to catch up with TIMES NOW?!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Oct 2016 18:36

Aditya G wrote:No smoke without fire.

Quint story is not believable on some counts but it could be b they for wiff of feint missions, recon missions or sub tactical army ops. Suman Sharma confirmed the story.

as did a number of chai drinkers on BRF.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Oct 2016 18:39

kvjayan wrote: Or, NDTV is trying desperately, to catch up with TIMES NOW?!

Maybe he said something more horrible than usual and they asked them not to air it.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Oct 2016 19:00

ashish raval wrote:Just install proximity sensors every 5 meters.They are dirt cheap and wire them to nearest outpost every few kms and provide dirt bike or quad bikes to jawans to quickly follow up activities. If there are 5000 km of border I see no more than 500 post one every 10 km and would require less than 2000 quad bikes to sort the issue out..they don't need to be taxing by walking along 3 times a day near fences.

In mountainous parts, 1 KM distance on map might mean going up and down the hill corresponding to multiple of that distance. Furthermore, the quad bikes will not work in many parts of LOC. Monitoring the whole border is simply impossible. Strategic points, intermediate CI grid, etc. are needed. Sensors can improve awareness but they are not foolproof and over a period, countermeasures will be developed by the enemy.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 19:16

ISI chief to exit early in aftermath of strike.

the Pakistani Army establishment is livid over the CNN-News18 expose where a senior intelligence officer in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir confirmed the surgical strikes by Indian Special Forces that took place on September 30. The Army is furious that a civilian officer gave away details that Army had been steadfastly denying, including its hand in terror movement across the Line of Control (LoC).
http://www.news18.com/news/world/surgic ... 99783.html

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Oct 2016 19:29

Quad bikes hain ji !! Bhaat is this? Jems Bond hain ?
The hills have like a 70-80 degree incline in places, heavily forested with thick underbrush, wild animals and mined in places.

The paki soldiers hole up in their makeshift bunkers and drink Kahwa all day long. They are only there to monitor IA troop patrols so that the terrorists can be directed to sneak in

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 08 Oct 2016 19:38

Quad bikes? Here?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Oct 2016 19:51

To add to that, think of the unmistakable noise quad bike engines would make in this environment. Terrorists would hear them coming from kms away, and know exactly where not to be (or where to set up an ambush).

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 08 Oct 2016 20:01

Rahul M wrote:
Aditya G wrote:No smoke without fire.

Quint story is not believable on some counts but it could be b they for wiff of feint missions, recon missions or sub tactical army ops. Suman Sharma confirmed the story.
as did a number of chai drinkers on BRF.

what did you say?

Hat tip sir

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 08 Oct 2016 20:23

Singha wrote:If even half the quint thing was true no wonder pakis were confused and scared ..flying f16 over pindi dropping flares to send a message to usa consulate

PAF was responding to heightened activity by IAF;

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... ?prtpage=1

A game of shadows! India's plan of action before surgical strikes revealed
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau | Oct 08, 2016, 11.04 AM ISTPost a Comment

NEW DELHI: A series of deceptions were at the core of the plan to conduct stealth military strikes across the Line of Control. This included aggressive diplomatic moves to isolate Pakistan and a military configuration that suggested air strikes as the preferred mode of action.

Top government officials told ET on the condition of anonymity that the operation by special forces personnel on September 29 was preceded by moves such as India’s refusal to take part in the Saarc Summit and threats to revisit the Indus Waters Treaty that conveyed diplomatic isolation as New Delhi’s principal strategy.

On the military front, Pakistani forces may have got the impression that India was preparing for aerial strikes, possibly from within the Indian side of LoC. A flurry of military movements in Jammu and Kashmir and the sudden resumption of a major air force exercise were aimed at confirming the impression that aerial action was imminent, officials said.

The Western Air Command, which had concluded its annual ‘Exercise Talon’ just before the September 18 attack in Uri, resumed the exercise with intensive fighter jet missions and readiness patrols all along the border. The resumption of the exercise came on September 26, two days before the land-based surgical strikes were undertaken.

Pakistan’s air force that saw flight restrictions over Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) and stretching the High Mark 2016 exercise that was in the buildup stage. The ‘final straw’, officials said, was the movement of troops in J&K that suggested India was preparing for retaliatory air action from Pakistan.

The army is believed to have moved an air defence brigade tasked to protect static formations such as headquarters and other highvalue assets — to the Kashmir Valley days before the September 29 strikes.

With attention sufficiently diverted, Indian special forces, who had been training for the mission for over a week, slipped into POK undetected, marked out their targets and let out devastating fire on terror launch pads.

The surprise, officials said, was so complete that the teams returned safely after the synchronised raids without even coming under fire from Pakistani forces.

It must be emphasized that this operation was no rambo operation where the boys simply walked across line abreast one night, rifles on full auto.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2016 21:00

What I want 2 know is whether they were holding the bazookas and flame throwers in the crook of the elbow, or a LMG in each arm, held by the magazines.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 21:14

ibn

New Delhi: Pakistan’s spy chief faces an early exit from his job, a newspaper report said on Saturday, days after the Indian Army carried out surgical strikes to dismantle the terror infrastructure in Pakistan-held territory.

Lt Gen Rizwan Akhtar, director general of the power Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), is likely to be replaced within the next few weeks, Pakistan’s The Nation newspaper said citing official sources.

The report quoted an unnamed official who said Akhtar will likely switch places with Karachi commander Lt Gen Naveed Mukhtar. The swapping makes sense as Akhtar has already served in Karachi as Director General of the Sindh Rangers, The Nation quoted the official as saying.

The change of guard, however, depends on when Pakistan Army chief General Raheel Sharif retires, the official said. “It depends on whether the army chief gets an extension or retires as announced. I don’t think the notification of other changes in military command will come before that. There are a lot of variables involved,” the official told The Nation.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 08 Oct 2016 21:40

Even while India has decided not to release the video Bakis are already building the counter narrative for future.

http://www.abplive.in/india-news/indian ... tan-427032
Indian govt filming fake 'surgical strike' videos, says frustrated Pakistan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Oct 2016 21:59

Rudradev wrote:To add to that, think of the unmistakable noise quad bike engines would make in this environment. Terrorists would hear them coming from kms away, and know exactly where not to be (or where to set up an ambush).

Indian army has used quads for decades - and still uses them specifically in mountain terrain

kelik for image

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Oct 2016 00:17

What is this hain ji?
Indian armywalas doing an exercise with Pak Fauj?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Oct 2016 00:18

Waiting for Raheel Sharif to do a surgical strike on Islamabad and Raiwind

Half-is-suar probably planning a surgical strike on the widows of the dead jihadis about now.

M_Joshi · Post by **M_Joshi** » 09 Oct 2016 00:37

Aditya G wrote:No smoke without fire.

Quint story is not believable on some counts but it could be b they for wiff of feint missions, recon missions or sub tactical army ops. Suman Sharma confirmed the story.

No doubt. Some tweeples like Shiv Aroor tweeted at the breaking of this story, that these kind of stories are dangerous for any "ongoing or planned covert missions", which hints that some connected people had a whiff on some level of action being planned. It is possible that 1 operation was carried out on 21st which is why after that the pakis were all high on cocaine & landing their planes on highways & crashing 2 jets somewhere & lightning up Isloo at night. Either the CCS decided to do more damage because some deliverables were not achieved in the 1st raid or they wanted Pakis to think that Indian appetite for revenge was over after 21st raid & they would not cross again & 72 more pigs.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 09 Oct 2016 00:46

Gagan wrote:Quad bikes hain ji !! Bhaat is this? Jems Bond hain ?
The hills have like a 70-80 degree incline in places, heavily forested with thick underbrush, wild animals and mined in places.

The paki soldiers hole up in their makeshift bunkers and drink Kahwa all day long. They are only there to monitor IA troop patrols so that the terrorists can be directed to sneak in

I remember following this as an idea a long time ago and would find it hard to believe that technology has not improved and that such a system, as part of a solution, would not be of use. I remain surprised that I have not heard of any such system in use (it does not mean that it has not been deployed on the quiet).

Igloo White

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Igloo_White

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Oct 2016 00:58

well... after gathering all the super duper intel, amreekis then proceeded to drop entire B52 air army's worth of love and affection on the jungle trails and hamlets because it was the least painful option...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Oct 2016 01:02

Napams too!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Oct 2016 01:06

it never ceases to amaze me that there aren't a million vietnamese suicide bombers attacking american targets every day considering what happened to their country in the name of democracy and freedom

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 09 Oct 2016 02:14

Must watch interview of Gen Bikram Singh (retd), ex-COAS - with context of the surgical strikes:

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 09 Oct 2016 03:40

Lalmohan wrote:well... after gathering all the super duper intel, amreekis then proceeded to drop entire B52 air army's worth of love and affection on the jungle trails and hamlets because it was the least painful option...

Err, never said anything about B52's or napam. Just suggested use of detection technology to assist with interdiction.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 09 Oct 2016 04:49

prahaar wrote:
ashish raval wrote:Just install proximity sensors every 5 meters.They are dirt cheap and wire them to nearest outpost every few kms and provide dirt bike or quad bikes to jawans to quickly follow up activities. If there are 5000 km of border I see no more than 500 post one every 10 km and would require less than 2000 quad bikes to sort the issue out..they don't need to be taxing by walking along 3 times a day near fences.
In mountainous parts, 1 KM distance on map might mean going up and down the hill corresponding to multiple of that distance. Furthermore, the quad bikes will not work in many parts of LOC. Monitoring the whole border is simply impossible. Strategic points, intermediate CI grid, etc. are needed. Sensors can improve awareness but they are not foolproof and over a period, countermeasures will be developed by the enemy.

Guess you picked up wrong location. My post was in reply to Bangladesh and not Kashmir

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 09 Oct 2016 04:51

deejay wrote:

Quad bikes? Here?

I meant it to be on Bangladesh border and not in j&k

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 09 Oct 2016 04:54

Gagan wrote:Quad bikes hain ji !! Bhaat is this? Jems Bond hain ?
The hills have like a 70-80 degree incline in places, heavily forested with thick underbrush, wild animals and mined in places.

The paki soldiers hole up in their makeshift bunkers and drink Kahwa all day long. They are only there to monitor IA troop patrols so that the terrorists can be directed to sneak in

My post was in reply to border with Bangladesh and not Kashmir..not sure how you inferred that it was for Kashmir as it was immediately below the topic discussing Bangladesh border..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2016 05:26

Someone needs to apply the stick to the backsides of the cow smuggling rings on bd border

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Oct 2016 05:27

Why are we discussing BD border in this thread?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 09 Oct 2016 05:32

Aditya G wrote:Must watch interview of Gen Bikram Singh (retd), ex-COAS - with context of the surgical strikes:

Yep, must watch. Seems like a big fan of NM. Isn't he the army chief who was put in place by cutting short Gen. VK Singh's tenure? He couldn't stop gushing about NM. LOL.