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Why not name it "Mo" or "God" himself then..?? Even more potent..Khalsa wrote:Lets name it Akbar
that way the Pakistanis can't fire on it because it represents their (cough cough) much beloved emperor that ruled over us..
Honestly that would so fuc kk their little brains... oh shi1t ... Yeh Hindu nein yeh Jahaaz humare pyrare allah blessed akbar ke naam per iska naam kyon rakha. There will be wild conspiracy theories that its an Indian conspiracy to insert an open virus into their battle management systems via publicly declaring their targets as Islamic , therefore causing their Fire and Forget Weapons to malfunction.
IMAGINARY DOG FIGHT SCENE between F-16 and AKBAR (Rafael)
"This is Wing Commander Siddiqui, my missiles have jammed ... they won't fire on Akbar, EJECTING EJECTING"
"Its confirmed.... the indians have played with us by giving their planes an Islamic name.... this is cheating![]()
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you mean this one?Rakesh wrote:Vishal: Cheee!How can you look at the picture of the Rafale and call her anything else other than Katrina?
They essentially wanna see her blowCosmo_R wrote:you mean this one?Rakesh wrote:Vishal: Cheee!How can you look at the picture of the Rafale and call her anything else other than Katrina?
https://twitter.com/zeecinema/status/658591671332958212
There is another one on FlightGlobal which is free. That was an article called "Rampant Rafale". And an earlier one on the Gripen by Chris Yeo. How I wish one of those test pilot gents got such a flight on the Tejas.JayS wrote:Can someone having access to Aviation week post the text of this article here??
http://aviationweek.com/awin/rafale-off ... capability
Its a Pilots report of Rafale by David North where he flew the Rafale and wrote the article about it. I read the one on Gripen which was nice one. This Rafale article might as well be a good read. Its from 1999.
Aaaaaaaah!!!IndraD wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 961360.cms
what is this ! btw PBhushan saying Goi got Rafale for higher price is rubbish: Goi got it for cheaper.
30 minutes for a Mirage-2000 pilot to understand the Rafale cockpit symbology..illustrating the benefit of commonality of design thinking. By most accounts that have talked about it, including the Swiss evaluation report, the Rafale's situational awareness and its sensor fusion are considered to be top notch.French air force and navy Rafale F3 combat aircraft are touted as true “omnirole fighters.” Military officials say there are multirole fighters that conduct reconnaissance, air-to-air combat, air-to-surface attack or deterrence, but only one at a time. The F3 can perform all in a single mission, they maintain.
Stephane Reb, Rafale program manager at French procurement agency DGA, explains: “The intention from the outset [with the F3] was to have a joint and omnirole fighter to replace all other aircraft in the air force.”
Indeed, when it comes to air-to-air combat, he says the F3 takes the place of the Mirage 2000 RDI and Mirage 2000-5. For deterrence it replaces the Mirage 2000N. In air-to-ground attack it replaces the SEM, Mirage 2000D and Mirage F1 CT, and for reconnaissance the Mirage F1 CR. “By 2015 we will have only the Rafale and Mirage 2000D in our fleet, and by 2030 only the Rafale,” Reb says.
Dassault Aviation was from the outset tasked with designing one plane that could fulfill all of these roles and remain in service for 40-50 years. The F1 version, delivered to the Aeronavale in 2004, only had air-to-air combat capability. The F2, delivered to the air force at St. Dizier in 2006, introduced the Scalp cruise missile, AASM air-to-surface missile, IR MICA infrared air-to-air missile, NATO L16 data link and front-sensor optronics.
The F3, first delivered in July 2008, is the F2 plus the ASMP-A advanced air-to-surface medium-range nuclear missile, Exocet AM39 antiship missile and RECO-NG (Areos) reconnaissance pod. “Two Rafales are equivalent to two Mirage 2000-5 fighters and four Mirage 2000D aircraft with respect to payload,” says a senior Rafale pilot identified for security reasons as Junior. In operations over Libya, using fewer aircraft reduces the complexity of the raids and the refuelling plan.
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Even improvements to the M88 engine to turn it into the M88-4E—with lower maintenance of key parts and a 30% increase in the life of the high-pressure turbine—can be introduced piece-by-piece. The first M88-4E will be delivered in November and be the base configuration of the Rafale engine.
Pilots flying the Rafale over Libya and Afghanistan are pleased with its performance. Junior says the Rafale “allows the observation, orientation, decision and action loop to be drastically reduced because we can act in the cockpit.” He notes that “over Libya we're omnirole: While your recce is working by itself, you're scanning the skies and sending pictures to other aircraft. With one trigger pull of the AASM you can hit six targets simultaneously, in all weather and day or night.”
Junior says the cockpit displays are intuitive. “It takes a Mirage pilot just 30 minutes to understand them the first time,” he remarks, adding that “you can select what information you receive. I like a relatively silent cockpit, which I can have and yet be fully part of the network-centric warfare.”
LYON, France—Thales’ new Talios laser targeting pod started flight tests on a Rafale combat aircraft on July 27, the company has revealed, and development is continuing on schedule toward a 2018 service entry on the type.
The “Targeting Long-range Identification Optronic System” flew on a Rafale operated by Dassault Aviation at its flight-test center in Istres in southeast France as part of the fighter’s F3R standard development program. The trial used a single-seater aircraft and lasted for more than 2 hr. During the flight, the Talios pod collected images with the “day” channel and assessed pointing and telemetry performance, Thales said.
The company describes Talios as “the first optronic targeting pod to cover the entire decision chain, from intelligence through to neutralization.” Compared with the in-service Damocles, Talios has a much-improved sensor suite in three bands: mid-wave infrared, near infrared (best for penetrating haze) and high-definition color video. It also has a longer-range laser. The optical system has a much wider zoom range for long-range identification and—at its widest setting—situational awareness.
Capabilities range from deep strike with precision-guided munition to air-to-air target identification and close air support, both in day and night.
Tests began earlier this year on a Mirage 2000. Qualifications of both the Rafale F3R and Talios—a major component of the new standard—are expected by mid-2018. The same year, deliveries to the French navy and air force will begin. The French defense procurement agency has ordered 20 Talios pods so far and an order for another 25 is expected by 2019.
In designing Talios, Thales has focused on expanding the targeting mission to intelligence gathering. The new pod has been conceived with network-centric warfare in mind. Troops on the ground can receive images from Talios-equipped aircraft. Enhanced precision should help prevent killing civilians. The display provides a collateral damage assessment mode, superimposing fragmentation and blast envelopes over the target image.
The human-machine interface has also been the topic of a lot of effort. “We are bringing the sensors into the pilot’s world,” a Thales executive says.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sztf4hcGrB4Hitesh wrote:Since GoI has made the move to buy 36, they should 90 more as originally planned and get another 126 to round it up to over 250 planes. IAF inventory should be as follows:
1. Heavy fighter - Su 30s
2. Medium fighter - Rafales
3. Light fighter - LCA Mk1A - or Mk2
Dump the Mirages, Jaguars, & MiG 29s upgrades and phase those planes out along with the rest of the legacy planes and narrow the 7-8 different type of planes into 3 planes.
The FGFA should be considered as a Su-30 replacement. Rafale should stick around for 40 years and LCA or its successor.
Dump the single engine fighter plane competition. It is so stupid.
If that's your gripe, then would buying an all Indian fleet make any difference? A nuclear strike would wipe them just as it would wipe any other jets.vivek_ahuja wrote:
But no, that's not TFTA enough. So now we will have a handful of shiny Rafales that might all get wiped out in the initial nuclear strike.
Kartik wrote:If that's your gripe, then would buying an all Indian fleet make any difference? A nuclear strike would wipe them just as it would wipe any other jets.vivek_ahuja wrote:
But no, that's not TFTA enough. So now we will have a handful of shiny Rafales that might all get wiped out in the initial nuclear strike.
PANAJI: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today "advised" French firm SAFRAN to set up a facility in his home state of Goa to manufacture small parts for the fighter aircraft Rafale, for which India recently signed a deal with France.
"I would also advice you to take advantage of the off-set in Rafale deal. From my side I will put a word. You (SAFRAN) are supplying engines for Rafale. The off-set of Rafale deal is around Rs 30,000 crore. If you are interested in setting up a manufacturing facility of some small parts then you can do it in Goa," Parrikar said during the inauguration of a joint venture between HAL and French firm SAFRAN in North Goa.
He said Rs 1,000-1,500 crore of the total offset deal can be invested in Goa
The Defence Minister also suggested that HAL should tie up with SAFRAN and get into manufacturing of engines.
"We are going to require 6,000-10,000 engines in next ten years and most of them are SAFRAN engines," he said.
Parrikar said the Goa government is ready to provide land and other facilities required to set up an engine manufacturing plant.
The nuclear strike example was figurative. The point I was getting at is that for a country the size of India, having 36 jets of one type in an otherwise large fleet of hundreds of aircraft mean that either they will have to be clustered together (because they won't share the maintenance/logistics/weapons with other fleet types at all airbases) or they will be so parsed out to be ineffective in packets of three-four aircraft dispersed all over the country.Kartik wrote:If that's your gripe, then would buying an all Indian fleet make any difference? A nuclear strike would wipe them just as it would wipe any other jets.vivek_ahuja wrote:
But no, that's not TFTA enough. So now we will have a handful of shiny Rafales that might all get wiped out in the initial nuclear strike.
So already we are down to just 18 each for each of our massive neighbors.Out of the 36 aircraft,18 will be deployed at Ambala air base bordering Pakistan and another 18 will be deployed at an air base in the eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, bordering China.
Which of the other IAF aircraft will be able to use these weapons? Upgraded Mirage-2000? LCA perhaps? Can the Su-30 use these weapons?India had put forth the list of weaponry during the negotiations which the IAF wants and includes Mica air-to-air missile, Scalp cruise missile and Meteor beyond-visual-range missile and precision-guided munitions. An IAF source said India-specific Rafale aircraft will be able to carry 10 tons of weaponry.
Buying more Super Hornets would be the only economical hedge. As ASPI told the committee, Australia has paid for all, or almost all, of the fixed costs associated with operating the type. Stretching out the Hornet force beyond 2023, when the last Lightning is due to arrive, looks like an improbably expensive alternative, since the 1980s fighters are expected to last into the early 2020s, thanks primarily to careful structural analysis.
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More Super Hornets were presumably suggested as a way of sharing airframe usage with the current fleet, extending the life of the type. But the RAAF has never shown eagerness for keeping the Super Hornet in service for longer than it must, and is unlikely to favor the option. In contrast, buying more F-35As would create the homogenous fleet the service has long desired.
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There are reports that the IAF qualified Soviet-designed missiles with the Mirage 2000, such as the R-27 (NATO AA-10 Alamo) AAM
In 2007, India announced a $1.9 billion program to arm 51 of its Mirage 2000 aircraft with the MBDA AIM-132 ASRAAM dogfighting missile beginning in 2007.
Also, Indian Mirage 2000s have been integrated to carry the Russian R-73AE Archer missile and the indigenous Indian built Astra missile.
Next 36 would cost around $3.5B for bare aircraft (95M per piece) + lets say $1.5-2.0B for weapons + Support package + additional IAF specific changesKartik wrote:Just a point I wanted to make regarding further Rafale purchases, using another Air Force's analogy. We've done the same with this purchase of 36 Rafales..another small purchase of 18-36 Rafales would be a lot less costly, around half the cost of this initial purchase.
posting a small para from an article on the RAAF which may look at Super Hornets as a hedge against F-35A not being available in the timeframe of 2020. Not sure how many people remember just how expensive these 24 Super Hornets seemed when Australia bought them..turned out, the cost of setting up the infrastructure and the maintenance support for the fleet was a one time expense and that having sunk funds into that, buying more of the same type was going to be a lot less costly than the initial purchase.