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100nos IN NLUH tender can be split into 50nos Ka226k and 50nos NALH instead of buying a totally new helicopter.
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X Posted from the “Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015” thread.

Car Nicobar Class Water Jet Fast Attack Craft (WJFAC) INS Tihayu commissioned:

INS Tihayu Joins the Indian Navy
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There was an evaluation of aerodynamic performance of helicopters in this forum. I cant find the thread.
Maybe we need to ask for KA 226 vs LUH?
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vina wrote:Just wondering. WTF are WE bailing out the Russian arms industry time and again when the the Russian economy is in DEEP doo-doo and they in turn , take our money, shaft us, and then turn around and SELL stuff developed based on our money to everyone, including Chinese.

Case in point the Ka-226 T and the Grigorovich class frigates recently signed with Russia

Ka 266T - The grand total of ALL Ka 266 class airframes (including its progenitors the Ka 26 and Ka 266 ) is a GRAND TOTAL of LESS THAN 100 for the past 25 years! The Ka 226 T is the Turbomeca version of that ,of which hardly any are in production and proven . WE will be the guinea pigs who will order TWICE the number of airframes as they currently are in existence and then debug the 226T model. And this is when the HAL - LUH is soon entering production . Why NOT order our own airframes (which is a more recent design) and also use our own paid for engine (The Ardiden, in common with the Dhruv) and build 600 airframes that are required. WHY ARE WE BAILING out KAMOV ? This Ka 266 is a dead airframe, and will see NO sales, but for the 200 Indian order.

Grigorovich Class :Russia doesnt have the engines for this, thanks to the Ukraine conflict. They have to SELL it to someone. We are the suckers. The Ukrainian engines are available to us , so we snap it up! And this when entire shipyards in in India have MASSIVE debt and are reeling in bankruptcy and restructuring . Why not send the 4 new build orders to them. Okay, but the two completed ones if you want for hull /scrap value, but why give new build orders to Yantar! Where are we bailing out the Russian Shipyard ? Also, the Zorya Gas Turbines are not something we want to be dependent on the long term given how uncertain Ukraine is.

We did the same thing with the massive Su-30 order in the early 90s and that resurrected the Soviet/Russian aircraft industry. They paid us back by selling versions of the Flanker to China in massive quantities, including full tech transfer. Now why are we repeating the SAME mistake.

This time, in exchange for the massive Rs 80,000 crore order bailing out a who host of industries,they pay us back by flirting with the Pakis and being brazen about it ?

We are HUGE SUCKERS
. That is why the Russians get away with this. We have far better frigates (Shivalik class follow ons). Make more of them in the shipyards that we have that are lying idle. Why buy Russian ? Same with helicopter. We have a great LUH that has a great single engine (Far lower operating costs than a 2 engine). We have full rights on that engine, we have a great Dhruv derived airframe and architecture. We have the glass cockpit and everything from Dhruv. Why are we buying a failed/dead airframe and shooting our own products in the foot ?
Look on the bright side, if India didn't bail out the Russian MIC then they probably would've done a few more ToT deals with China and the Chinese military would be much more advanced. They probably would've sold some weapons to Pakistan as well. Indian money kept Russian tech and weapons out of Chinese Pakistani hands, while getting some very capable if a bit overpriced weapons in return. Maybe it's still not a great deal, but perhaps not as bad as you make it out to be.
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X Posted from the “Indian Single Engined Multi Role Fighter with Transfer of Manufacturing Technology” thread.
gauravwarrior wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 945552.cms

Seems like speculative journalism....

May be we don't need to fret about another line, going by past track record it will take 4-5 years for process to be completed any ways :)
Extracts from the above article by Manu Pubby:
The letter says that the requirement is for a `minimum fourth generation single engine aircraft’ to be indigenously manufactured under the Make in India initiative.

While the letter may not be the final word on India’s new planned fighter line, it brings down a selection to only two contenders with what is already being described as a `match fixing’ condition of a single engine fighter. The only operational fighters that practically meet this condition for an Indian contest are the Saab Gripen and the Lockheed Martin F 16.
I am not even sure if there are two contenders, to me it sounds more like one contender, the F16. The Single Engined choices listed by MTOW in metric tonnes available today on the market are:

KAI/LM FA-50 (MTOW 12.3)
HAL LCA (MTOW 13.5)
JAS 39 C/D (MTOW 14.0)
F16 Block 50/52 (MTOW 19.2)
F35A (MTOW 31.80)

Using the LCA as the benchmark to define “Light”, the F35A comes in as “Heavy” while the JAS 39 C/D and FA-50 comes in as “Light” leaving the F16 C the only aircraft in the “Medium” category.

If the contents of the IAF letter sent out are true, seems the fix to buy American is well and truly in.
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This is a real cutie Pie what (Naval Ka)?! It would fill a very viatl gap in the ASW role for our smaller warships which have been using navalised Chetaks thus far. What is unique about this bird is the specialised payload modules that can be attached or detached from the helo.I am sure that once we get to grips with this unique bird,Indian ingenuity can develop a really great little ASW bird with a dipping sonar (as on the heavier Kamovs, and a couple of lightweight torpedoes.
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A dipping sonar will weight 250-300kg. Maritime radar 100kg. Sonobuoy launcher with sonobuys 200kg. single LWT 250kg for a total weight of 800kg more likely to be carried by heavier NALH than naval Ka 226K which will carry a small weather radar with secondary surface search capability and no dipping sonar or sonobuoy launcher and minimum single LWT for anti sub role as regard to NLUH make in India tender.
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The impact of India’s S-400 purchase
During Prime Minister Modi’s visit to Moscow, India and Russia signed an intergovernmental agreement (IGA) over the Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system.

Under the $4.5 to $5 billion U.S. deal, India expects to receive the first batch of these systems from 2020. The S-400 purchase has been heralded as a ‘game-changer’ and a means to imbue India with an ‘edge’ against its regional adversaries – China and Pakistan.

In the aftermath of a Russian Air Force (VVS) Su-24 kill at the hands of a Turkish Air Force F-16, Moscow deployed the S-400 to Syria in order to support its expeditionary forces with direct air defence cover and – at least in the view of numerous observers – provide deterrence.

Whatever Russia’s intention behind deploying the S-400, the decision to send it to Syria certainly drew a high level of attention to the system. At this stage, many will be familiar with the S-400’s marquee missile – the 40N6 – which has a maximum engagement range of 400 km. In tandem, the S-400 also comprises of the 250 km range 48N6 as well as the medium-to-long-range 120km 9M96E2 and 40km 9M96E.

While generally viewed as a long-range SAM system, the S-400 is a comprehensive suite in that it is aimed to address a wide range of aerial threats, from long-range strategic threats (such as bombers) to stealthy low-flying cruise missiles. Its range coverage can span from as short as 40 km to as far as 400 km. The S-400’s principal radar – i.e. the 92N6E Grave Stone – can track 100 targets and simultaneously engage up to six (via its paired anti-air missiles). Its phased-array design is ascribed with effective electronic counter-counter measures (ECCM) capabilities, enabling it to withstand enemy radar jamming systems. Finally, the S-400 (in line with its Russian predecessors) is also a mobile system, thereby giving its users considerable flexibility in terms of deploying, withdrawing, and re-deploying the system.

Under the multi-billion-dollar deal, New Delhi is to procure five S-400 systems. The specific details of what India will be receiving have not yet been disclosed, but given the amount in question, it would be a surprise if the 48N6 (250 km) and 40N6 (400 km) missiles are not included. It is not clear how many launchers each S-400 system includes, though an image on Air Power Australia suggests that it should be at least four.

At first thought, one would assume that India has every incentive to station a number of S-400 systems – potentially up to three – in fairly close proximity to Pakistan. If equipped with the 40N6 missile, grounding the S-400 in the heart of Indian Punjab would enable India to stifle the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) from flying in key areas in its Central Command theatre (which is responsible for protecting Lahore, the country’s inland economic hub and second largest city). Similar positioning and results can be had in the south (in terms of Karachi) and the north (in terms of Kashmir).

India need not deploy the S-400 in that manner (at least permanently), though the incentive to pre-empt Pakistan from utilizing its aerial assets (which carry a number of the country’s pre-emptive stand-off range munitions) is certainly there and should not be dismissed. In fact, the risk of India taking such a course is something Pakistani defence planners would be wise to acknowledge and work to address. Moreover, India’s other air defence investments (e.g. Barak) provide it with ample opportunity to build medium-to-long range SAM applications for more conservative air defence deployments.

In general, Pakistan’s options to address the S-400, at least in terms of practical implementation, would be to (1) form a strong air defence umbrella over its own airspace, (2) greatly expand its asymmetrical offensive capabilities, and (3) heavily invest in defensively sound electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) capabilities (to protect aerial assets and to pursue the S-400).

All three elements will require considerable financial investment; in lieu of certain long-term economic progress, Pakistan can, at best, pursue a partial solution (i.e. one or two of the three components) and further pivot towards its strategic deterrence element. This will be discussed in terms of the S-400 in a later article, and further elaborated upon in the series “Pakistan’s Pursuit of Force-Multipliers.”
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Shukla's speculation, or the truth?

Nearing approval, “strategic partner” policy to unlock submarine building
By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 20th Oct 16

The missing link in a number of crucial defence procurements, especially the much-delayed Project 75I (referred to as 75-India) to build six conventional submarines for the navy, is close to being resolved.

Business Standard learns that the “strategic partner” policy has been finalised. It is currently before the defence secretary for clearance, after which it will be quickly cleared by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, who has made the policy a personal mission. Then it goes to the finance ministry, before final clearance by the cabinet.

The “strategic partner” policy spells out guidelines for nominating private Indian defence firms as partners of choice for building submarines, warships, fighter aircraft, helicopters, tanks, etc. Foreign vendors selling India these platforms would be required to transfer technology to the designated Indian “strategic partner”, which would manufacture the platform in India, and support it through its service life.

The “strategic partner” policy was to be a part of the Defence Procurement Policy of 2016 (DPP-2016). But reservations within the ministry over the method of identifying partner companies forced the issuance of DPP-2016 with a missing Chapter 6.

Now Chapter 6 --- the “strategic partner” policy --- is close to being cleared.

Nobody is more pleased about this than the navy, with Project 75I being held up for want of a strategic partner. The ministry has favoured a proposal to build four Project 75I submarines at Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai (MDL), and the remaining two through the designated “strategic partner”.

In Delhi on Tuesday, Vice Admiral GS Pabby, the navy’s warship construction and acquisition chief, indicated that Project 75I could soon be globally tendered.

He revealed that the delay in the “strategic partner” policy arose from “complications that needed to be sorted out”, but were now almost resolved.

Business Standard learns the biggest hurdle was a covenant the ministry needed to provide each strategic partner, stipulating that the partner would automatically benefit from follow-on orders and other benefits. Such a requirement had been spelt out in the VK Aatre recommendations for identifying strategic partners.

However, ministry bureaucrats, eager to bind the strategic partners with contracts and covenants, were less willing to hold the ministry to responsibilities of its own.

Defence industry insiders believe the first two major contracts that the promulgation of the “strategic partner” policy would unleash are: a light fighter production line, and Project 75I.

Pabby confirmed on Tuesday that the six Project 75I vessels would incorporate indigenous AIP, based on advanced “fuel cell technology”, developed by the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO). A submarine equipped with AIP can remain underwater for long periods, making it difficult for the enemy to detect them.

In contrast, submarines propelled by traditional diesel-electric systems (like all of India’s submarine fleet, including the Scorpenes currently being built) require to surface periodically --- usually every 48-72 hours --- to recharge batteries. A surfaced submarine is vulnerable to detection by the enemy.

The DRDO’s AIP system is being productionised by an industrial partner, Larsen & Toubro. That would provide L&T a significant advantage when the ministry selects a strategic partner for submarine building.

Project 75I is regarded as crucial for the navy’s operational credibility. Its submarine fleet is down to just 13 vessels, against the 24 regarded as essential. Six Scorpene submarines being built at MDL are running late, but should all be in service by the end of this decade.

The navy had kept open an option for DCNS --- the Scorpene’s French vendor --- to provide AIP for the last two Scorpene vessels. Today Pabby ruled out AIP for those.

Separately, Pabby declined comment on media reports that India’s first nuclear ballistic missile submarine, INS Arihant, had been commissioned into navy in August. However, hinting at an impending announcement, he stated: “There will soon be an opportunity to talk about it”.

The Arihant has no naval operational role. It operates under the Strategic Forces Command, lurking underwater for months at a stretch, ready to fire nuclear tipped ballistic missiles at any enemy that ventured to launch a “first strike” against India.
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We are an ally who stood by India in darkest hours: Russia
NEW DELHI: With deals over USD 12 billion in kitty this month, including leasing of a second nuclear submarine, Russia hopes to bag more projects as it termed itself as not just a business partner but an "ally" who stood by India in its "darkest hours".

Russia is eying the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems and the next aircraft carrier project besides the deal to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft.

Asserting that there is no limit to what India and Russia can do together, a top Russian defense official claimed the US and Europeans can never give what Moscow can and has offered.

"We are ready not just to deliver most serious weapons, most important weapons but continue to give our state of art technology," Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec State Corporation, an umbrella organisation of 700 hi-tech civilian and military firms, told PTI.

"Not so in the recent past, when India was under sanctions, we were pretty much the only partner for India.

"Russia has been a partner not only in every day military supplies but also most sensitive and most important supplies including a nuclear submarine which was rented to India for you to use," said Chemezov who is also a close aide of Russian President Vladmir Putin.
I think the Russian Amur will be selected for Project 75I.

Western submarines are too expensive and, on top of that, the suppliers leak information to their friends like Australia.
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An Amur1650 mki with our sonar, combat management system, aip, torpedoes k-series, Brahmos would be gamechanger
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I think AIP, USHUS and Brahmos are a given for the P-75I. Hopefully it will be built by L&T and not Mazagoan. I don't see any diesel electric sub carrying K series, Nirbhay hopefully.
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Going by the saying "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold" a resounding slap should be delivered to the Germans for selling the blueprints of the HDW-209 to SA in the 80s and grounding our Sub program to a halt.
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Bheeshma wrote:I think AIP, USHUS and Brahmos are a given for the P-75I. Hopefully it will be built by L&T and not Mazagoan. I don't see any diesel electric sub carrying K series, Nirbhay hopefully.
And what should MDL do with its hard earned sub building skills ?
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Hard earned?? :rotfl: Did they learn anything? What did they do with the Type- 209 skills?
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suryag wrote:An Amur1650 mki with our sonar, combat management system, aip, torpedoes k-series, Brahmos would be gamechanger
Amur is all but dead the design has way too many problems. Russians have abandoned it and are promoting Kilo for export.
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In what is Amur facing issues?
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Hope Russians have stolen S 1000's Western secrets and come up with their own Harami product .
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srin wrote:
Bheeshma wrote:I think AIP, USHUS and Brahmos are a given for the P-75I. Hopefully it will be built by L&T and not Mazagoan. I don't see any diesel electric sub carrying K series, Nirbhay hopefully.
And what should MDL do with its hard earned sub building skills ?
Sell MDL to L&T. In fact just move/merge the operations into one of L&T's existing facilities and retain the prime waterfront space in Mumbai for the IN.
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Cybaru wrote:In what is Amur facing issues?
Lada had propulsion problems and AIP was lagging behind. Russians have abandoned it in favor of next generation submarine Kalina.
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The first Lada was a test platform which went through extensive evaluation testing and September this year has has passed trials , Two more Lada are now under construction for Pacific fleet post that they move to Kalina project which is Lada submarine with AIP and Li-Ion Battery.

http://tass.com/defense/902924
Rubin Design Bureau Chief Executive Igor Vilnit said on Thursday.

The United Ship-Building Corporation announced plans in spring to complete the operational evaluation of the submarine St. Petersburg in 2016.

"As far as we know, the Navy plans to complete the operational evaluation measures this year. The results that have been obtained correspond to the expectations, which confirms the broad prospects for the vessels of this class," the CEO said.

The operational evaluation that has already been under way for six years, has allowed checking the submarine’s mechanisms and testing the schemes of its use. Also, the submarine is being used to train Navy personnel.

"Initially, the Lada-class submarine was designed as the most advanced ship, for which new types of hardware were developed for testing. Following the submarine’s operational evaluation, and also considering that new radio-electronic technology and other systems have appeared over this period, the Rubin design bureau has worked out an improved project, under which the Admiralty Wharves Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia is now building two vessels of this class," Vilnit said.
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John wrote:
Cybaru wrote:In what is Amur facing issues?
Lada had propulsion problems and AIP was lagging behind. Russians have abandoned it in favor of next generation submarine Kalina.
Thanks!
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Austin wrote:The first Lada was a test platform which went through extensive evaluation testing and September this year has has passed trials , Two more Lada are now under construction for Pacific fleet post that they move to Kalina project which is Lada submarine with AIP and Li-Ion Battery.

http://tass.com/defense/902924
Kalina from what understand is a new design based on Project 636 (Kilo) and Lada. It won't see induction any time before 2025 IMO. As for additional submarines Russian navy is being strong armed into procuring them they have little to no interest in it and various admirals have openly come out against it.
The new submarine will combine the best characteristics of Project 636 (Varshavyanka) and Project 677 (Lada) submarines and is set to be equipped with an air independent propulsion (AIP) system.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201603 ... submarine/
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suryag wrote:An Amur1650 mki with our sonar, combat management system, aip, torpedoes k-series, Brahmos would be gamechanger
John saar has proven many times that Amur can't carry Brahmos.
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I hope we codevelop something useful for this P75I project. Maybe both MDL and L&T can make 6 each.
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Manish_Sharma wrote: John saar has proven many times that Amur can't carry Brahmos.
The AMur/Lada has much bigger problems than not being able to carry the Brahmos. The Russians haven't been able to get the Lada to work and are abandoning it as John pointed out.

But, is there ANY (diesel) sub which can (theoretically) launch the Brahmos, if we can modify it? Can we do it without significantly impacting performance? This sub-launched Brahmos insistence will only ensure that we stay critically short of subs for even longer.
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It's kinda strange to come up with a dud design after so many years of sub production.

Some interesting comments by Anonymous "KQN" below the article. http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/01/ ... -lada.html perhaps some sea faring person on BR may or maynot want to comment it.

Plus this is interesting as well. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... o-ethanol/ So all the co2 being created could quite easily become energy as well (Take a break scrubber!). May not be sufficient, but a small unit could convert co2 to vodka for longer cruise parties... Nothing like good moonshine on a cruise!
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https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/7 ... 0989327360

Embraer had reportedly paid close to 6 million dollars to a middleman to push through the sale of 3 jets to DRDO. CBI investigating.

Defence major Embraer to pay $206 million after accepting corrupt practices in deals including supply of 3 airborne warning jets to India


IAF officials: Punitive action against Embraer and investigations shouldn't come in the way of critical systems being inducted.
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http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/emb ... 263126.ece
Embraer entered into the resolution to resolve criminal charges and agreed to pay a penalty of more than $ 107 million in connection with schemes involving the bribery of government officials in the Dominican Republic, Saudi Arabia and Mozambique, and to pay millions more in falsely recorded payments in India via a sham agency agreement, the US Justice Department said.
Under the settlement, apart from the $107 million penalty to the Justice Department as part of a deferred prosecution agreement, Embraer must also pay more than $ 98 million in disgorgement and interest to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).According to the company’s admissions, Embraer executives and employees paid bribes to government officials and falsified books and records in connection with aircraft sales to foreign governments and state-owned entities in multiple countries.
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we should get some of this money! Where is this money going?
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^^A little OT here. This culture of "whats in it for me?" is prevalent even in Pvt Sector. If you are a small business owner trying to demo your wares, a bunch of hands needs to be greased even in Pvt firms to get an appointment with CTO or whomever responsible of making final decisions. Obviously, defense contracts involve huge sums and are a subject of highlighted investigations. Doing business in India is quite tough.
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The country paid more than 6-10 million extra for a product than it needed to. That money should be refunded by Embraer along with some penalty to continue doing business in India. Not sure I follow your comment Zynda.
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nachiket wrote: But, is there ANY (diesel) sub which can (theoretically) launch the Brahmos, if we can modify it? Can we do it without significantly impacting performance? This sub-launched Brahmos insistence will only ensure that we stay critically short of subs for even longer.
I think Soryu is around 4000 tons, and can do it.

Maybe Soryu can do it, but peacenik japanese will have a cardiac arrest at the mention of putting such a fearsome weapon on their peaceful platform.

French have claimed and won australian competition. But now are afraid that they can't deliver. Hence they tried to make peace with German Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft saying we white europeans should protect and work together and prevent Asians from getting it.

But Germans are hurting pretty bad with this defeat, so they may give a lot to us just to spite the kangaroos and frogs.

Best is that in same way as nuclear-barracuda is transformed into smx-ocean.

We propose to germans that we make Arihant into 4000 ton single hull SSK and get as much Tot as possible while developing together.

That can carry longer range Nirbhay instead of Brahmos.

And germans can make it run on Li-on batteries + diesel instead of diesel+aip just like japanese will do for their next soryu subs.
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Currently the Lightest Combat Helmet offering IIIA & Frag Protection tops out at about 2.2Pounds.

https://sofrep.com/66323/the-lightest-b ... he-market/

Does anybody know the stats on the MKU helmet order we have supposedly placed?
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japani defence industry is decades behind the west in marketing and devious tactics. they are our best bet if a G2G deal can worked out to adapt the Soryu design to our specific needs like warm water operations, nirbhay, brahmos, desi sonars , dosa and roti maker ... this can actually help japan reduce the unit cost of these vessels if they think in their own interest and stop being manipulated by others. maybe the 1st 2nd 3rd can be minimal changes with progressively more as time goes on upto 15 ships.
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Maybe after lemoa signing now usa can give them a nudge towards selling us the Soryu subs, and like with Shishumar germans gave us battery tech, japanese can give us Li-On tech under make in Bharat.
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Drawback with Brahmos for submarine is that it requires VLS cells which limits the submarines that can carry it. As mentioned by others Soryu can perhaps be modified for that. That said I think regular Brahmos for submarines is all but dead idea.

The company is more interested in promoting Brahmos M which can fit in regular 21 inch tubes. Hopefully focus shifts towards that for development with Air launched Brahmos in testing.
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John wrote: The company is more interested in promoting Brahmos M which can fit in regular 21 inch tubes. Hopefully focus shifts towards that for development with Air launched Brahmos in testing.
Exactly! VLS Brahmos requirement would severely restrict our choices to .... just Soryu. That too, if the Japanese accept, and a redesign is feasible, and affordable. Even then it would take some years to develop and certify it.

Much easier to get the best sub we can now and modify the missile instead, which is within our capability. Firing cruise missiles is only a secondary function of the sub anyway.
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Defence Ministry okays new blacklisting policy
The Ministry of Defence on Monday approved a new ‘blacklisting’ policy that will tackle corruption in defence deals and having a method to deal with foreign companies who pay bribes.
The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) that met under the chairmanship of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar okayed the new policy.
Its details shall be put out on the website of the MoD in a few days.
Sources said the MoD has decided to do away with having a system of ‘blanket blacklisting’.
The Tribune had reported details of this on October 26 on how the ‘blacklisting’ policy has been okayed. The DAC is the apex decision-making body of the MoD.
The new policy will have a pointed product-specific ban, aimed at punishing the corrupt among the foreign suppliers and not hold to ransom the country’s military and defence needs.
The new policy envisages that a person of a foreign company, if found to be indulging in corruption will not be allowed to deal in another case of the company’s subsidiary, sources said.
During the tenure of the Congress-led UPA (from May 2004 to May 2014), a ‘blanket blacklisting’ was followed and several new procurements are held up.
The MoD has decided to do away with ‘blanket blacklisting’ of foreign companies that were found guilty of offering bribes, a top official in the MoD told the Tribune.
‘Blacklisting’ a firm may not be a good option as it just forecloses options for India. There are no more than 4-5 equipment makers who are largely integrators of specialised parts produced by niche companies.
A sub-committee formed by the MoD will issue guidelines on the extent of blacklisting, its tenure and what all will be the procedure.
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