India Border Watch: Security and Operations

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 08 Nov 2016 20:03

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Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 08 Nov 2016 20:05

It would seem to me that we don't want to give overt thappad, for that means war, which is something GOI does not want. So we give ungli! a quick poke that pakis feel but no one sees. Though, we have to see if Modi will break the mould. I doubt his speech will discuss Donald Trump.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 08 Nov 2016 20:09

The short-term policy of Modi GOI is same as the previous GOI except that there will be a cost imposed on Bakis for cross-border antics.

The subdued tone of GOI following the cross-loc raid is a clear indication that the GOI does not want escalation if it can avoid it. It will not hide from it but will not go out of the way to start a war. It will continue with tit-for-tat perhaps with a little extra interest.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 08 Nov 2016 20:53

pankajs wrote:The short-term policy of Modi GOI is same as the previous GOI except that there will be a cost imposed on Bakis for cross-border antics.

The subdued tone of GOI following the cross-loc raid is a clear indication that the GOI does not want escalation if it can avoid it. It will not hide from it but will not go out of the way to start a war. It will continue with tit-for-tat perhaps with a little extra interest.

The policy is the same except it's not?

#headscratcher

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 09 Nov 2016 01:03

Given the way modi has been shrouding millitary moves with other theatrics, I won't be surprised if the forces have been given orders to inflict significant damages.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 09 Nov 2016 01:26

Any chance the old grads will be transferred to BSF while the Army is beefed up on Pinaka's.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 09 Nov 2016 05:08

Field Report by Harinder Baweja.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/static/LoC-indian-army/

magine standing at attention for a full 120 minutes. Imagine scanning the ridges and valleys, looking for trees that may have been cut overnight. Imagine straining your ears each time the leaves rustle. Imagine being glued to an automatic weapon, finger constantly on the trigger. Imagine an icy wind sweeping your face and the snow collecting at your feet. Imagine a life constantly on the edge.

Soldiers along the 740-km Line of Control (LoC), that demarcates India and Pakistan, are in the thick of a nerve-wracking battle. The surgical strikes following the suicide attack on an army camp in Uri on September 18 that killed 20 soldiers have drastically altered the rules of the game. The ceasefire agreement of 2003 is in tatters and the daily dose of mortar and artillery fire, have the jawans on their toes.

Lives are now on the line, by day and by night. The LoC is not an easy place to get to but HT got permission to go to the forward posts. The first briefing by Colonel MB Singh, commanding officer, 20 Rashtriya Rifles, left little room for doubt. “The place where you’re standing is within enemy range and can be pounded. In case that happens, you need to take shelter,’’ he said, pointing to his right, where sandbags cover an underground bunker. His men know the drill. Bunkers have come up next to every post and that’s the only safe place, provided you have the time to respond and run. Six to eight soldiers can crouch for safety in freshly-made bunkers that have been constructed after the surgical strikes on September 29.

Safety, however, is one thing that is not guaranteed. The soldiers, who are on full alert for 120 minutes, after which they rest their taut nerves for the next two hours, are now not just looking for infiltrating terrorists. They are also guarding against sniper attacks from Pakistani rangers and the battle action teams (BATs) comprising jihadis from the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammad. In the unequal proxy war that has become sharp and intense, leaves have been curtailed and commanding officers are up all night and in constant touch with their company commanders. Leading from the front in the time of escalation and ‘near-war’ – as one officer put it – is of utmost importance.

A New Normal
India cannot afford a breach along the LoC or along the 221-km stretch of the international border between Jammu and Kashmir and Pakistan. The bloody attack in Uri in September and the audacious three-day stand-off at the air force base in Pathankot in January are painful reminders of what a breach can result in. “We now constantly practise anti-fidayeen and counter BAT drills,’’ says Bhaskar Kataria, commanding officer, 19 Maratha. His unit is responsible for roughly 38 km of the LoC but even though his posts are ‘’dominating Pakistan’’ because they are at a higher height, that’s not solace enough. His troops get a daily reminder of what DIE stands for: detect, identify, eliminate. The identification is of utmost importance. In the dead of night – when the troops have to be on maximum alert – the danger of shooting one of your own has to be factored in and the orders are strict: do not fire till you have established the identity of a militant with a weapon.

In the precipitous heights that range from 9,000 to 14,000 feet, danger is manifold. Up until the attack in Uri, the army could monitor infiltration routes selectively and focus on areas identified through surveillance radars and intelligence inputs but the surgical strikes on ‘launch pads’ (areas where the Pakistani army keeps trained terrorists just before they’re pushed across the LoC into India) have also changed the vocabulary of the officers tasked with guarding the line once referred to as ‘the most dangerous place on earth’ by former US President Bill Clinton.“We are dealing with a ‘new normal’,’’ one officer tells us. What’s the ‘new normal?’ we ask.

The answer is as simple as it is stark. It is visible on a daily basis: killing of civilians (eight in a single day on November 1), heavy mortar shells whistling through the treacherous mountains, scaring civilians into migrating, artillery pounding of each other’s positions, stealth attacks that leave soldiers bodies mutilated.

After the ceasefire in 2003, the Indian army was able to fence large parts of the Line of Control. Attempts at putting up the anti-infiltration obstacle system (AIOS) were made earlier too but were met with constant firing from Pakistan. The rolls of concertina wire that make up this fence had helped bring infiltration levels down but the figures are spiking once again.

Determined and highly-motivated terrorists are attempting to cross the line again and 2016 has already seen 70 attempts (up to September) as compared to 30 in 2015. “The fence is constantly under the gaze. It cannot be protected at every step but the troops return to the same spot, under their guard, every 30 minutes, to see if anyone has attempted to cut it,” an officer explains.

Soldiers near the LoC in the Kupwara sector in Kashmir. The soldiers, who are on full alert for 120 minutes, after which they rest their taut nerves for the next two hours, are now not just looking for infiltrating terrorists. They are also guarding against sniper attacks from Pakistani rangers and battle action teams of jihadis. (Ravi Bajpai/HT Photo)

But scores of Indian posts lie ahead of the fence and these are extremely vulnerable. Sepoy Mandeep Singh, the young 28-year-old jawan whose body was mutilated, was at one such location when he came under attack from the battle action teams on October 28. Officials privy to the attack say – but only off the record – that he was beheaded just like Hemraj was three years ago, in the Poonch sector. The BATs retreated as quickly and stealthily as they had entered, secure that their masters in the Pakistani army would help them by providing cover fire. In a similar action, five days earlier, Surat Singh, from 22 Grenadiers, was amongst those who noticed some movement in the bushes. Was it a Pakistani infiltrator or a panther? That’s a question they have to contend with often. Soon, Singh saw infiltrators coming towards them with grenade launchers. He was hit by shrapnel and fell to the ground.

The border is at its most volatile. India has shrugged off its self-imposed restriction of opening up its artillery weapons and the verbal messaging from the political masters is unambiguous: fire ten mortars in return for one; don’t ask for flag meetings to lower tensions.

Multiple Enemies
The surgical strikes, owned politically by the Narendra Modi government, have buoyed the troops on the ground but unlike the past, the officers know that this winter is going to be a turbulent one. Heavy snowfall makes for a formidable trek across the LoC but admits Lt Gen Satish Dua, Corps Commander, 15 Corps, “We expect a more difficult winter because of the heightened state of alert after the surgical strikes and are prepared for any misadventure from Pakistan.”

A heightened state of alert through the winter is a mind-boggling exercise, unimaginable till you visit the forward posts. The ridges were covered with snow in the last week of October and the temperatures had dipped to minus six degrees Celsius. And that’s just the beginning. The soldier will have to stand in his post as the snows slowly pile up to 20 and 30 feet and temperatures fall to minus 20 degrees celsius. Each post is cut off from the other from October to February and each has to be stocked with enough ration and fuel so that the jawans can sustain themselves. For those who need to move, ropes are tied to winter route markers to help them slither to and fro. “We are fighting more than one enemy,’’ says Kataria. Twenty RR’s Singh adds, “Each soldier needs 2.3 kg of ration and while earlier we could stock by day, this time we are doing it after light fades so we are not visible to the enemy.’’

An army post near the Kupwara sector in Kashmir. In heights that range from 9,000 to 1s4,000 feet, danger is manifold. (Ravi Bajpai/HT Photo)

Soon, the platoon hawaldar will also be checking the feet of each soldier to ensure he’s not showing early signs of chilblains. But as the days shrink, the nights become longer and the infiltrators prepare to infiltrate in snow suits, the most challenging of all is casualty evacuation. It is difficult for helicopters to land in thick fog and snow blizzards but the injured must be rushed. Surat Singh, injured by splinters, was carried on the shoulders of his colleagues because the ‘hepter’ couldn’t make it despite the pilot’s best attempts.

Lives are on the line and there is little room for leisure. Brigadier Zubin A Minwalla in Kupwara’s Pharkian Gali area had organised a cake-cutting for one of his officers, Vaibhav Fauzdar’s wedding anniversary. Before they could gather at 5pm, came news of Surat’s injury and the news that the infiltrators had managed to flee.

On the Line of Control, birthdays and anniversaries can provide a few minutes of relief and motivation, if at all. Too much is at stake. The beauty of the white mountains is treacherous. The snowcapped heights belie the daily battle of life and death.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 09 Nov 2016 05:17

Pak post being detroyed in KG Sector in August 2013.

It looks like an ATGM attack.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Nov 2016 05:50

PIB India ‏@PIB_India 16m16 minutes ago New Delhi, India
Prime Minister @narendramodi is chairing a Cabinet meeting at South Block

Im sure that the minutes of this meet wil read exactly like how it would be if 4-5 BRF-ites meet up and discuss TSP.
If these type of meetings with accompyinging pictures( of evil earth-e-shatter Doval, Modi and service chiefs talking intently) doesnt get the TSPA khakhi wet, nothing will

partha · Post by **partha** » 09 Nov 2016 09:43

ranjan.rao wrote:Given the way modi has been shrouding millitary moves with other theatrics, I won't be surprised if the forces have been given orders to inflict significant damages.

I think so too ranjanji. This meeting in South Block doesn't look related to currency related announcement. Something's up. Modi govt has done a great job at keeping secrets and disinformation. Let's recall that while surgical strikes were being planned, Modi was giving speech about fighting poverty together and media was reporting a scheduled meeting on IWT review both of which turned out to be smokescreen for the real action that followed.

Something's definitely up.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Nov 2016 14:49

Something is already "up".

The Army said it needs 6 months to clear up infiltration and terrorism in the valley - one month ago. And its happening. It's going to be a warm winter for some.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 09 Nov 2016 18:58

Suddenly the sleeper cells with lots of freshly printed rupee notes from ISI's super presses became broke. Suddenly folks in Kashmir realized they have only a few days before they can change their cash before it lapses. Suddenly the stone pelters realize who is on the winning side. Suddenly the mischief mongers will understand that the world doesn't care for them and has moved on.

The insurgency will collapse sooner than expected. Now keeping things that way will be a bigger civil/police challenge.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 09 Nov 2016 19:35

Aditya G wrote:
Pak post being detroyed in KG Sector in August 2013.

It looks like an ATGM attack.

Yes, it looks like an ATGM hit. That smoke trail corroborates that.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 09 Nov 2016 20:10

shiv sir, no doubt about something is already up for past quite some time..in fact since 2014...but my sense is we will see a very hot winter rather than the "warmth" we have seen so far..we have already used artillery. I wont be surprised if some key peaks like 5353 are taken or their holding is made unsustainable for Pakistan... Modi will not be generous as Vajapyee was....or potentially a some significant new developments in Balochistan...that is under the carpet for some time...he has too many balls to juggle and squeeze..

komal · Post by **komal** » 09 Nov 2016 22:56

yensoy wrote: Suddenly the mischief mongers will understand that the world doesn't care for them and has moved on.

+100

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 Nov 2016 00:49

ISPR release:

Rawalpindi - November 9, 2016:

Indian troops resorted to Unprovoked heavy artillery shelling in shahkot and Jura sectors in Neelum Valley at LOC this evening. This is the first use of Artillery by the Indians during current phase of escalation. Indian troops also resorted to unprovoked mortar shelling in Kel sector . Pakistani troops are responding to Indians by targeting their defence posts. No loss reported so far. Civilians being specifically targeted. Exchange of firing continues.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 10 Nov 2016 04:33

Two more martyred, more injured.

Soldier Killed In Sniper Fire By Pakistan In Jammu And Kashmir’s Macchil Sector
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 324313.ece

A soldier died in sniper firing by Pakistani troops at the Line of Control at Jammu and Kashmir’s Machhil sector, prompting retaliation by the army which targeted Pakistani posts with heavy weapons. In Sopore, meanwhile, two terrorists were killed in an operation, which is still on. Two weapons have been recovered from them.

Jawan dies, four others injured in Pak shelling in Naushera
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/580 ... jured.html

An army jawan who was injured in Pakistani shelling along the LoC in Naushera sector of the district succumbed today while four others were injured in overnight ceasefire violation. “An army jawan, injured in ceasefire violation by Pakistani troops, died late last night in the hospital,” a senior army official said.Four jawans were also injured in the shelling last evening.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 10 Nov 2016 05:25

Why the hell Hindu can't write martyred... T these are soldiers who laid their lives for our country

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2016 05:33

^^ Wondering how long can TSP sustain this rate of ammo usage, given that sugar daddy Amrika isn donating much these days?

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 10 Nov 2016 07:00

^^may be they are serious about "ghas kha lenge" this time around..oh but didnt you get the memo about their new daddy?

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Nov 2016 07:49

sum wrote:^^ Wondering how long can TSP sustain this rate of ammo usage, given that sugar daddy Amrika isn donating much these days?

Chinese supplies? Pakis are summoning Indian deputy HC on a daily basis to lodge protest about "ceasefire violations" by India. It looks like we have been inflicting heavy damage to their posts. So hitting their posts and publicly acknowledging it is becoming the new normal

What next? Pakis will keep coming back. Govt needs to come up with a strategy to recapture our lands. Let that become the next new normal.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2016 08:22

^^ But arent most of their weaponry at the border American? Im wondering about the ammo for all those vast hordes which they got as baksheeh for GWOT

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 10 Nov 2016 09:17

"Why the hell Hindu can't write martyred... T these are soldiers who laid their lives for our country"

For this Reason:

Definition:

a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion.

b person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause:

C person who undergoes severe or constant suffering:

d person who seeks sympathy or attention by feigning or exaggerating pain, deprivation, etc.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 10 Nov 2016 09:34

sum wrote:^^ But arent most of their weaponry at the border American? Im wondering about the ammo for all those vast hordes which they got as baksheeh for GWOT

We are talking mortars and small arms here. Doesn't exactly require proprietary consumables. Also, it's sad but they have been a lot more proactive in making basic stuff that they need and setting up the manufacturing lines for ammo and stuff that is not glamorous but used on a daily basis, whereas we chase various buzzwords, pie in the sky and screwdrivergiri while blacklisting firms that could by now have equipped us with practical stuff like anti-material rifles and mass manufacturing of artillery shells.

Now on the other hand, if stuff like F16 spares or WLR spares are needed, that would be a different matter, and those systems are probably sparingly used nowadays in order to conserve them.

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 10 Nov 2016 09:42

ranjan.rao wrote:Why the hell Hindu can't write martyred... T these are soldiers who laid their lives for our country

Most newspapers don't report the names of the Jawans who gave their lives, why? Because they don't bother. Is there any official source to get the names? We should pay proper respects here.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 10 Nov 2016 10:35

Rishi Verma wrote: Most newspapers don't report the names of the Jawans who gave their lives, why? Because they don't bother. Is there any official source to get the names? We should pay proper respects here.

Names are not released till next of kin is informed, and reporting can often take place faster than message conveyed to next of kin. It has to be done with proper decorum. So let's please not attribute everything to conspiracy.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 10 Nov 2016 12:55

We should have an SOP that every single expiring ammo should be dumped across the border just before expiry date.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Nov 2016 03:25

The pigs are whining that our Army is using artillery to great effect

Indian Army using artillery after 13 years: Pakistan
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/worl ... 33209.html

“He deplored the use of artillery by the Indian Forces in Shahkot and Jura sectors on the LoC on November 9, 2016 and highlighted that such weaponry had been used after 13 years, reflecting India’s intention to further escalate tensions and undermine regional peace and security,” the statement said.

Translation: we can't take it anymore. please stop

Shivaji · Post by **Shivaji** » 11 Nov 2016 09:11

No news of any ceasefire violation yesterday and day before. After GoI's surgical strike on black money, Pakis seem to have realized that this government means business. They are probably revisiting their strategy in view of this new realization.

Pakis may try some mischief on border thinking that chaos in country would limit GoI's options. PM's meeting with service chiefs just before announcement of 500/1000 note banning might have been to check readiness to deal with such a possibility.

Pathik · Post by **Pathik** » 11 Nov 2016 09:27

Rakesh wrote: The pigs are whining that our Army is using artillery to great effect

Indian Army using artillery after 13 years: Pakistan
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/worl ... 33209.html

“He deplored the use of artillery by the Indian Forces in Shahkot and Jura sectors on the LoC on November 9, 2016 and highlighted that such weaponry had been used after 13 years, reflecting India’s intention to further escalate tensions and undermine regional peace and security,” the statement said.
Translation: we can't take it anymore. please stop

Majority of 13 yrs during UPA period

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 11 Nov 2016 13:52

Rakesh wrote: The pigs are whining that our Army is using artillery to great effect

Indian Army using artillery after 13 years: Pakistan
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/worl ... 33209.html

“He deplored the use of artillery by the Indian Forces in Shahkot and Jura sectors on the LoC on November 9, 2016 and highlighted that such weaponry had been used after 13 years, reflecting India’s intention to further escalate tensions and undermine regional peace and security,” the statement said.
Translation: we can't take it anymore. please stop

Since they are not getting Hillary I would have imagined they would have at least not moaned about getting something that rhymes with Hillary

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 12 Nov 2016 00:40

Vikramaditya was pulled out of a refit at CSL for urgent operational task post Uri attack.

http://www.khabarindia.in/cochin-shipya ... ramaditya/

...The work package was contracted and scheduled for 70 days but certain operational requirements demanded significant compression of the time-frame and the ship was un-docked and taken out of the yard in 42 days....

PS: whole article is worth a read.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 12 Nov 2016 00:50

For those still wondering what happens when IA attacks a post....

Set-1

Before:

After (5th October):

Edit: I checked back in this thread for ripostes on Paki bunkers but there are no reports. Tells you what we hear in the media is just tip of the iceberg.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 12 Nov 2016 01:10

Set-2

Impressive quantities of rock has been used to build these up. The damage seems to be from flat trajectory weapons as mortars will land from the top, in any case I doubt mortars can put any dent on these rock structures .. they can barely penetrate civilian homes in Jammu villages.

Before:

After:

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 12 Nov 2016 01:12

What is going on paki defence forums ? Any chatter there ?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 12 Nov 2016 01:14

Set-3.

Same post as above ... white flag raised. This happened around 10th October.

Note that all of these pics before we started hearing about Indian Army and BSFs fire assaults to destroy Pak posts. So pakis probably lost defences up and down the whole LoC for sake of showing tactical response to #SurgicalStrikes

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 12 Nov 2016 06:16

Ah! The flag that truly represents the martial traits of pawk army is hoisted proudly. Whiter and brighter than the national flag..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Nov 2016 07:39

Aditya G wrote:Set-2

Impressive quantities of rock has been used to build these up. The damage seems to be from flat trajectory weapons as mortars will land from the top, in any case I doubt mortars can put any dent on these rock structures .. they can barely penetrate civilian homes in Jammu villages.

I suspect our old L-70s in direct fire mode would be useful here

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 12 Nov 2016 22:22

An Army jawan in camouflaged battle gear takes position near the Line of Control in Nowshera sector. PTI

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 08200.html

Posted at: Oct 12, 2016, 12:28 AM; last updated: Oct 12, 2016, 10:33 AM (IST)
Enemy our prey, mantra for snipers on Line of Control

Nowshera, October 12
For Army snipers donning camouflaged battle gear, “Dushman Shikaar, Hum Shikaari” is the duty mantra as they guard the highly sensitive Line of Control (LoC).
Ply boards with “Dushman Shikaar, Hum Shikaari” written on them dot pine tree tops on the foot tracks of patrolling parties and border woods along the LoC.
LoC snipers and soldiers, whose morale has gone up further post the surgical strikes on terrorist launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), are out to give a befitting reply to any ceasefire violation by Pakistan and foil terrorist infiltration and border action team (BAT) attack.
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Pointing to a ply card motto nailed to a pine tree on a foot patrolling track along the three-tier fence, Sniper Ram Singh (name changed) said, “The enemy sitting across the Lakshman Rekha (LoC) is my prey and I am his hunter. We work as per this motto for those daring to cross this Lakshman Rekha.”
He and other snipers are highly trained and target-hitting soldiers meant to hit specific enemies daring to breach the LoC.
Like snipers, the motto is no different for jawans and officers monitoring the forward post. They undertake foot patrolling along the LoC amid electronic surveillance put to guard the Indo-Pak border in the Nowshera sector of Rajouri district.
The sector falls opposite the Bhimbher district of PoK, where heavily armed special forces hit terror launch pads in pre-dawn surgical strikes last month.
The Nowshera sector with thick coniferous woods, deep valleys and rock-cut mountains is now a target of Pakistani soldiers post surgical strikes. It was once the biggest infiltration area as there were huge launch pads and terrorist training camps in the Bhimbher-Samahni-Nikyal belt across the LoC.
“We are most vigilant along the LoC. We cannot keep the LoC out of manual and electronic sight even for a moment. We cannot trust Pakistani soldiers. They feel insulted following the surgical strikes,” said another soldier at the forward post.
Showcasing electronic surveillance of the LoC, the company commander said, “We are keep a hawk eye on the LoC and forward posts and sensitive gaps on the border.”
“Even the movement of a cat is watched now through electronic gadgets. We cannot afford to give a chance to them,” the officer said.
Rocky mountain clips, dense forest lines and deep rock-cut valleys along the border are manned round-the-clock manually and electronically.
“Apart from continuous observation from forward posts and electronic observation rooms, there is manual patrolling and three-tier lit-up fencing to guard against infiltration and cross LoC raids,” he said.
Amid hostile weather conditions, the soldiers guard border posts and vow to safeguard the territorial boundaries at the cost of their lives.
Undeterred by continuous mortar shell blasts and rattle of heavy machine guns at their posts last week, jawans brave bad weather and inhospitable terrain to keep a strict vigil on the LoC in Poonch.
“Even during the recent heavily shelling and firing, we kept hawk eye vigilance on the LoC to foil any design of infiltration or any attack,” the officer said. The situation in the Poonch-Rajouri sector had deteriorated in the past week following the surgical strikes. — PTI

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 12 Nov 2016 22:37

^^Aditya G what is the source of these pics..didnt see them on MSM