Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 01 Nov 2016 01:55

I remember it was discussed long back that B'mos block II can mission kill an aircraft carrier...along with dhanush
dont know how to refer a post but the following page should be able to help

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6166&start=3240
nakul and member member_20453 has some interesting posts...

PS: didnt notice earlier that it is coming from a very senior member who is questioning it v/s asking...

SajeevJino · Post by **SajeevJino** » 02 Nov 2016 21:12

some from Saurav Jha

MBDA's PARS 3LR along with the SPIKE LR was shortlisted to arm armed variants of the HAL ALH family.

A twin launcher that would allow the HAL Rudra to field the PARS 3LR was specifically developed by MBDA & an Indian SME.

I think PARS 3LR ATGMs would have been ordered to arm the Army's HAL Rudra attack helicopters.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Nov 2016 22:36

Carrier killer needs to be air or sub launched. as we dont have ssn for brahmos the air launch is only option.

The liaoning air wing can launch attacks on surface ships from well outside the 600k max range of brahmos as su27 combat radius is around 1500km

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 02 Nov 2016 22:55

Hope we'll build our own Oscar class. A small fleet of 3-5 should be good enough complemented by backfires.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 03 Nov 2016 00:52

That is why K-15 is ideal for carrier killer role. It can be fired from subs or land 1000km away. Its a huge missile at 10 m length but that's still smaller than KH-22.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 03 Nov 2016 07:09

Singha wrote:Carrier killer needs to be air or sub launched. as we dont have ssn for brahmos the air launch is only option.

The liaoning air wing can launch attacks on surface ships from well outside the 600k max range of brahmos as su27 combat radius is around 1500km

Only in pure AA mode is the combat radius 1500 km. If it carrying any decent strike package it will drop to below 1000 km.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Nov 2016 16:05

SSNs are configured to fire both Ballistic and Cruise missiles.

Is possible to have Brahmos capability on the next batch of SSNs?

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 03 Nov 2016 19:43

Last development trial of Agni-5 is due anytime, if this is successful then user trial will start next year with induction. We need it as soon as possible

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 03 Nov 2016 19:45

Paul wrote:SSNs are configured to fire both Ballistic and Cruise missiles.

Is possible to have Brahmos capability on the next batch of SSNs?

It is a must have. Need to develop the capability to launch from TT. The SSN should be able to carry atleast 8-10 BrahMos along with HWTs.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 04 Nov 2016 08:51

No news on nirbhay for over an year?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Nov 2016 08:56

Hope the periodic ransom we pay the russians is also toward fixing the nirbhay woes. its way past the daye we should have a conventional glcm and slcm in hand

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 04 Nov 2016 09:03

Pretty much the same for Agni except the battery news

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Nov 2016 10:24

I wonder if some new fuel will give this capability to current Brahmos with ramjet to give them Hypersonic Capability

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 848593.cms

What is the update on the Mark II version of the BrahMos? What are the production and trial timelines and how does it improve on the existing missile system?

BrahMos Mark II or Hypersonic BrahMos will be able to fly much faster than the existing one. The speed of the existing BrahMos missile is 2.8 to 3 Mach. In order to make a pure hypersonic missile, one has to make a scramjet engine. Our study suggests that the present engine can be improved if we redesign some some components and do proper thermal management, after which the missile can travel at a speed of 5 Mach.

At 5 Mach speed, the engine cannot be called pure hypersonic. In fact it is just beginning of the hypersonic regime. There are some problems in making a pure hypersonic engine. As of now, we are conducting research completely in the theoretical region. To test a pure hypersonic engine, we will have to make electronics which can withstand very high temperature. We have to make it shock proof so that it can withstand speed of 8-9 Mach. My estimate is that we will be standing at the door of hypersonic engine in about three to four years, and pure hypersonic in about seven to eight years

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 04 Nov 2016 12:03

^^ what are Nirbhay's woes? Last publicised test with umpteens of way point navigation was a success. I am guessing underwater launch may be an issue. Warhead integration may be another. Again, no contract means no deadline means no motivation?

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 04 Nov 2016 14:00

Austin wrote:I wonder if some new fuel will give this capability to current Brahmos with ramjet to give them Hypersonic Capability

"....Russia’s Defense Ministry has developed a new hypersonic missile fuel, a senior defense official has announced.

According to Russian state-media outlets, Army General Dmitry Bulgakov, the deputy minister of defense, told reporters on Tuesday that the ministry has developed special new fuel to enable missiles to fly at hypersonic speeds...."

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/russia ... iles-12266

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 04 Nov 2016 15:14

China already has a Brahmos equivalent in addition to sub-sonic cruise missiles. India urgently needs to pay a lot more attention for it's sub-sonic cruise missiles instead of putting all the eggs in Brahmos basket.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 10 Nov 2016 01:20

Assembly of HSDTV has started: FABRICATION OF CG FIXTURE OF CRUISE VEHICLE.

So, ISRO: first (first flight test completed). DRDO: second (fabrication of cruise vehicle on going) and Brahmos: third.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 10 Nov 2016 01:24

FABRICATION OF CG FIXTURE OF CV ?

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 10 Nov 2016 01:40

Awesome news...

Its a fixture for CG measurement. Means you put the missile in it and measure CG location.

We should be pouring in huge monies in Hypersonic tech. This is our chance to leapfrog. This is what i was referring to in some post in that Single Engine fighter thread. We cant keep playing catching up with unkil always. We will hv to take such jumps. We hv a short window available. Hope we make it.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2016 05:36

^^ Any news on the Nirbhay? Is it in the same state as the Rustom ( on critical life support)?

Seems a unusual long time between testing after being firmly announced of a Oct test flight

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 11 Nov 2016 19:25

New Ukrainian Rocket Launcher Appears to Use Raspberry Pi

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Nov 2016 21:27

And the shell appears 3D printed.

kurup · Post by **kurup** » 14 Nov 2016 19:36

New NAVAREA Warning issued

INDIA EAST COAST – OFF BALASORE (.) CHARTS 31 351 352 INT 706 (.)

EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR ON 16 NOV FROM 0230-0630 UTC AND 17 NOV 16 FROM 0330-0730 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY 21-22.04N 086-56.37E, 21-09.75N 086-50.59E, 19- 37.38N 087-31.93E, 20-02.60N 088-35.28E, 21-37.29N 087-52.26E 2.

CANCEL THIS MSG 170830 UTC NOV 16

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Nov 2016 03:09

Can some one plot that area on map?
Would like to know the splash area!
chetak or tsarkar?

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Looking at deltas of Lat and Long its a short range vehicle. Most likely a Prithvi type.
Unless this is the launch area.
Definitely in Bay of Bengal.

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Got it

http://www.darrinward.com/lat-long/?id=2409740

I had to convert the Lat/Long to decimal and input them each in one line.
And then the area showed up.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 15 Nov 2016 05:55

Looks like another nirbhay test to me... the perimeter of the plotted coordinates make a fine test track

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Nov 2016 05:55

^^ Hopefuly the Nirbhay ( finally)

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 15 Nov 2016 06:02

About time...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Nov 2016 06:43

sudhan wrote:Looks like another nirbhay test to me... the perimeter of the plotted coordinates make a fine test track

Can you calculate the total length as way points?
And as just from Balasore to extreme splash point?

Arjun Gupta · Post by **Arjun Gupta** » 15 Nov 2016 14:01

Hi any update on 10000+ km ICBM for Indian forces?

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 15 Nov 2016 14:06

Seems NaMo / Parrikar have told drdo to keep mum on various programs. Thus very little news coming out from mijjiles, n-lca, etc etc.

Only big ticket news worthy of surgical strike will be released.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 15 Nov 2016 14:28

ramana wrote:
sudhan wrote:Looks like another nirbhay test to me... the perimeter of the plotted coordinates make a fine test track
Can you calculate the total length as way points?
And as just from Balasore to extreme splash point?

The co-ordinates as way points come up to ~ 650 kms

The distance from the co-ordinate closest to Balasore to the farthest co-ordinate is ~230 kms

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 15 Nov 2016 14:51

Unsurprisingly, Kalam Island (formerly wheeler island) falls within these co-ordinates.. The past notam plots for BM tests were mostly strips, with the length of the 'strip' corresponding directly to the range of the object to be tested.

The nice boxy plot this time looks like something for an object that takes the scenic route. Also one must note that the NOTAM is for 4 hours.

Let's see what this turns out to be..

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 15 Nov 2016 16:27

Nirbhay?

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Nov 2016 16:55

Duration and range looks like for a subsonic cruise missile or maybe multiple tests !

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2016 00:39

JTull wrote:Nirbhay?

Based on sudhan interpretation of the plot, its a cruise missile with long loiter time.

But on other hand the 4 hors cloud also be for launch window.

What does Hemant Rout say?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 16 Nov 2016 02:16

It can also be a ABM or LRSAM test. Earlier waypoints from Nirbhay test were much more wider than current set of coordinates.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9e2EHdjy9ec/U ... ,+2013.jpg

Are are so confident that we will allow an untested CM to fly back towards mainland just to go in close circuits.

Aarvee · Post by **Aarvee** » 16 Nov 2016 10:18

Could it be Rustom-2?

✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈ ‏@writetake 1h1 hour ago
#BREAKING Rustom 2 first flight successful with perfect take off and landing.

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 16 Nov 2016 10:42

Rustom 2 would be tested at HAL or if that is considered high risk, then at Chitradurga. Ideally.
Hope to see more info in any case.

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 16 Nov 2016 10:44

Rustom 2 testing would have been in Chitradirga or Sulur

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Nov 2016 11:12

Would Rustom 2 anyway have a NAVAREA warning?