Understanding the United States of America (USA) - IV

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2016 21:04

So much angst here on the Forum that 3 pages of Understanding US is still needed for therapy. And no understanding yet.

Bannon is a Naval officer, Georgetown and HBS graduate. Can't be moron as is suggested.

I think folks are accepting CNN lies.

The anti-Semite reports all go back to his ex-wife charges while filing for divorce. Don't know why she had to say all that.
Bannon's employer was Andrew Brietbart who is Jewish.

DT campaign is very complex. Many wheels within wheels. But the biggest is Nationalism.
Yet we hear charges of racist, anti-immigrant, misogynist and everything in the FemiNazi handbook.
I didn't hear 'Phallologocentrist' charge yet.

We see that sweeping after EU got swamped with refugees and Greek economy collapse.

- Obama saying democracy is best option due to peaceful transfer of power is a very deeply loaded statement .
Hope HRC supporters understand that.
US was able to avoid wars of succession with this.

Drain the swamp means not taking on connected people
Christie didn't get it and surrounded with insiders who bandwagon.

DT wants to avoid DC Lootyens (aka Beltway bandits) keep the scam going fellows.
I saw one on FO

Guliani in SD means he wants to clear the fog in Foggy Bottom.
After DT there wont be much foreign policy for a while.
Besides Guliani is too connected to NYC Lawyer teams. So separation is good for any CF probes.

Cruz might get AG and may even become SCJ.

This will solidify the Hispanic votes.
Inner cities spending for revival will also revive the African American family economics.

Would put it past DT to do something about the $50 and $100 bills which are the life blood of crime syndicates: Drug, human trafficking etc.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Nov 2016 21:10

Christie gets it allright
Christie is getting shafted due to him shafting the trump jamaaibabu's pitashri in pichle janam

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 16 Nov 2016 21:11

All I can say is lets wait and watch. Modi and Trump are completely different in so many ways.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2016 21:12

That's the easy explanation.

All the Transition team members gathered by Christie are DC beltway Bandits who didn't even support DT.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 16 Nov 2016 21:34

Any comment on the fact DT has picked R. James Woolsey, Cold Warrior of Culinary Institute vintage and Nishaan-e-ISI for his inner circle? This is more worrying than anything I have seen so far esp. w.r.t. India. Woolsey is culinary institute cadre from the Milt Bearden/Mike Schauer batch.

Go back and read what those guys were saying in editorials after the Parliament attack on India... basically that it is the coolies' job to absorb infinite civilian casualties from Pakistani "militants" so that US war on "terror" continues to run smoothly, and India should be punished if we retaliate against Pakistan. Also that India's intransigence over Kashmir is to blame for everything. Exact same line as Brian Cloughley and Eric Margolis. No one still active in DC circles is more Pak-army-pasand than these guys, maybe not even John Kerry.

FWIW we had a BJP "nationalist" and "right-wing" govt in India at that time too.

It hardly matters to us if Bannon is anti-Semite or not. He definitely has expressed issues with Indians, as revealed by his taqleef over Silicon Valley CEOs being largely Indian, and his consequent opposition to H1s. However Woolsey is more alarming by far.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 Nov 2016 22:06

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/16/502175860 ... ition-team

From Lobbyists To Loyalists, See Who's On Donald Trump's Transition Team
November 16, 201610:59 AM ET

National Security
Former Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers was originally slated to lead the National Security transition team. However, in a statement released on Tuesday, he said he was "pleased to hand off our work" to a new team led by Mike Pence.

There are several people working underneath the head of the National Security team. They include:

DHS: Cindy Hayden, lobbyist for Altria, a giant tobacco company.
State: Jim Carafano, vice president at the conservative Heritage Foundation and, according to its website, "a leading expert in national security and foreign policy challenges."
Intelligence: Ronald Burgess, a retired Army general who served as deputy director of national intelligence from 2005 to 2007 during the George W. Bush administration, and for a month in 2009. He has been at Auburn University, working on national security and cyber programs, since December 2012.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 16 Nov 2016 22:31

^^Sounds like there has been an overthrow of the Bush-McCain-Romney era of Republican Neocons by a coalition of (1) paleoconservatives like Reagan era Edwin Meese and (2) neo-neocons who are looking for a better relationship with Russia and less military intervention abroad, and a full retraction of Dem-initiated regulations related to climate, gays, immigration etc. at home.

A coup has been effected in the GOP that will redefine the contours of what American conservatism is.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Nov 2016 22:34

Go back and read what those guys were saying in editorials after the Parliament attack on India... basically that it is the coolies' job to absorb infinite civilian casualties from Pakistani "militants" so that US war on "terror" continues to run smoothly, and India should be punished if we retaliate against Pakistan. Also that India's intransigence over Kashmir is to blame for everything. Exact same line as Brian Cloughley and Eric Margolis. No one still active in DC circles is more Pak-army-pasand than these guys, maybe not even John Kerry.

FWIW we had a BJP "nationalist" and "right-wing" govt in India at that time too.

Correct.
This all happened under Bush jr. and his Republican administration between the period of 2001 - 2008. IMO Obama policy has been less hurtful to India than Bush jr. SlickWille refused to provide any fig leaf to Nawaz/Pak w.r.t. Kargil war.

Overall I think the Democrats have been better for us in the last 20 years or so. Return of the likes James Woolsey is bad news for India.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Nov 2016 22:36

I am sorry, I had said 1930s, it is actually 1924

IT IS POSSIBLE:
President Coolidge signed the 1924 immigration act,
restricting non-Northern European immigration.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Nov 2016 22:39

Interesting to see what Paleocon Acharya Pat Buchanan will say on the recent developments.

Last Blog ending after Brexit was: You ain't seen anything yet!

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 16 Nov 2016 22:41

This is exactly what troubles me, this slinking back of the mangy old curs who used to bark from the shadows during Cold War for the paki generals.

That a sub-par James Woolsey is actually still talking on TV itself is kind of disappointing, let alone being listened to by Shree Trump. All that remains is for that Anthony Z-inn-i to plonk his child-bearing hips down as some important cabinet position

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Nov 2016 23:31

Saudi Arabia Issues Warning To Trump: Don’t Stop Saudi Oil Imports

Over the course of the two-year American election process, Republican nominee Trump promised on the campaign trail to divest U.S. interests from “our foes and the oil cartels,” referring mainly to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), of which the KSA is the largest producer and de facto leader.

“At his heart President-elect Trump will see the benefits and I think the oil industry will also be advising him accordingly that blocking trade in any product is not healthy,” Khalid al-Falih, chairman of Aramco and Saudi Aramco Oil Minister, told the Financial Times in Marrakesh, where world leader’s are currently negotiating the nuts and bolts of the landmark 2015 climate change agreement.
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Saudi Arabia is the U.S.’ largest Middle Eastern oil supplier, though the North American country gets most of its energy from domestic and Canadian sources.

Al-Falih added that the free trade energy culture currently in place benefits the United States because it has created a refining industry and ignited a job-hungry shale revolution.

“The U.S. is sort of the flag-bearer for capitalism and free markets,” according to Al-Falih. “The U.S. continues to be a very important part of a global industry that is interconnected, that is dealing with a fungible commodity which is crude oil. So having equalization through free trade is very healthy for oil.”

Critics of American foreign policy say the U.S.’ hunger for energy played a role in encouraging the country’s political entanglements in the Middle East. Reaching energy independence would supposedly free leaders from the economic risks of intervening or stepping back from conflicts in the region, according to proponents of energy independence.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Nov 2016 23:41

Looks like we need a #TrumpChabiIndex to track all the countries upset with his election.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Nov 2016 23:50

VIDEO: Jim Rickards Describes Coming Shut Down of US Financial System

Jim Rickards,the chief global strategist at West Shore Group, appeared on Bloomberg Markets to discuss the next financial crisis. Rickards said he sees next US downturn approaching a tipping point soon. However, the Federal Reserve’s response to restoring financial solvency will be much different because there’s no place left to go with monetary policy.

“The next time, they’re not going to print the money because they’re tapped out,” he states. “They’re going to lock down the system.” In a move Rickards refers to at the “bail in, lock down” plan, large sections of the financial sector will be deactivated to avoid bank runs and complete collapse. Rickards describes some of the more likely scenarios:

“Money market funds will suspend redemptions, bank ATMs can be reprogrammed to give you $300 per day for gas and groceries; they can selectively shut down the banks. We saw it in Greece. We saw it in Cyprus; we’re seeing it today in India. The banks are closing. They’re out of cash.”'

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Nov 2016 00:39

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gro ... ng-2016-11

BILL GROSS: Trump's presidency will be 'damaging' to the US economy, and America has taken a 'wrong turn'

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2016 00:41

Anyone has been tracking his win record?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Nov 2016 01:03

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakuntala_Devi

Shakuntala Devi a ma thematic genius and astrologer in 1980s had met Donald Trump and predicted that Trump would be President in the future.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Nov 2016 01:16

http://swarajyamag.com/world/trumps-vic ... ballot-box

Righteous anger at the ballot box

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Nov 2016 01:36

Trumps vs MEDIA this will be 24x7 for next 4 years... Nothing but a war...

LIES, HALF TRUTHS... Bitter Libtards will be going further down.

Unfortunately result will be even TRUTH will be ignored by Public.

Why doesn't Libtards remember CRYING WOLF story?

They have to stop calling themselves Progressives. It is an insult to people who are really progressive in htinking

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 17 Nov 2016 01:38

Austin wrote:VIDEO: Jim Rickards Describes Coming Shut Down of US Financial System

Jim Rickards,the chief global strategist at West Shore Group, appeared on Bloomberg Markets to discuss the next financial crisis. Rickards said he sees next US downturn approaching a tipping point soon. However, the Federal Reserve’s response to restoring financial solvency will be much different because there’s no place left to go with monetary policy.

“The next time, they’re not going to print the money because they’re tapped out,” he states. “They’re going to lock down the system.” In a move Rickards refers to at the “bail in, lock down” plan, large sections of the financial sector will be deactivated to avoid bank runs and complete collapse. Rickards describes some of the more likely scenarios:

“Money market funds will suspend redemptions, bank ATMs can be reprogrammed to give you $300 per day for gas and groceries; they can selectively shut down the banks. We saw it in Greece. We saw it in Cyprus; we’re seeing it today in India. The banks are closing. They’re out of cash.”'

jim rickards is an idiot "chicken little" trying to scare the uninformed that the sky is falling,

will there be an adjustment? sure. but a lock down of the financial system? that didn't happen in the late 70's and early 80's when mortgage rates hit 18%. it didn't happen in 2009 either.

the majority of financial transactions in the USA are not cash driven. I never have more than 20 dollars in cash on me. over half of US cash is over seas.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Nov 2016 01:53

Dipanker wrote:
Go back and read what those guys were saying in editorials after the Parliament attack on India... basically that it is the coolies' job to absorb infinite civilian casualties from Pakistani "militants" so that US war on "terror" continues to run smoothly, and India should be punished if we retaliate against Pakistan. Also that India's intransigence over Kashmir is to blame for everything. Exact same line as Brian Cloughley and Eric Margolis. No one still active in DC circles is more Pak-army-pasand than these guys, maybe not even John Kerry.

FWIW we had a BJP "nationalist" and "right-wing" govt in India at that time too.
Correct.
This all happened under Bush jr. and his Republican administration between the period of 2001 - 2008. IMO Obama policy has been less hurtful to India than Bush jr. SlickWille refused to provide any fig leaf to Nawaz/Pak w.r.t. Kargil war.

Overall I think the Democrats have been better for us in the last 20 years or so. Return of the likes James Woolsey is bad news for India.

Wrong. Woolsey was Cullinary Institute director under Clinton and undersecretary of Navy under Carter. Woolsey was a big promoter of the Iraq war and wanted to invade Iraq for 9/11. Trump is feeling out all of those who supported him publicly. What if any position he gets remains to be seen. Any Woolsey nomination into an admin post would be the antithesis of DT's message of America first. He is also age 75.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Nov 2016 02:04

Rudradev wrote:Has NaMo spoken to DT on the phone yet after his victory?

CNN headline on day of Trum win said "Indian PM and British PM call to congratulate"

In that order. That was clearly a report from the TrumpHouse. Not that it matters, why waste time on such garbage? They are both on Twitter IIRC.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Nov 2016 03:45

An indian origin SJW Priya Jain being the obnoxious little gungadin on behalf of the "Liberal" classes of massa.
http://bust.com/feminism/18550-white-working-class.html

Recently another indian origin SJW Zarna Joshi trended b/c of one "Humungus" episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ImSupXt3g

My advise to indian origin parents is they must in general discourage & not allow their kids anywhere near the toxic liberal arts & humanities streams in universities. Not even a 2 credit elective in their engineering or STEM graduation at universities.High school level humanities knowledge is enough.
Too much radioactive exposure in these humanities departments - radiation fallout later in life can lay waste families for generations.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2016 04:00

No Lilo. They should game the system.

One person went to HRC madrassa and graduated from Women's Studies but real goal was Medicine.

She is now choosing her residency.

Also exposure helps in developing rhetoric skills.

When ever she visits the are we get to talk on these esoteric subjects.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2016 04:22

Have we got the mea culpas from all the members?
I think majority have said their piece(s).

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Nov 2016 04:38

^^ Ramana garu, mea culpas are for Abrahamics. We Dharmics should think in terms of asamkhya culpas onlee

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 17 Nov 2016 04:50

Rudradev wrote:YKanan,

You're assuming that evil white law abiding Trump supporters with jobs would want the likes of you living amongst them

When I lived in Baltimore, I had more issues with my brown-skinned brothers in the black and latino community. I used to make friends with the Indian shopkeepers and restaurateurs in my area and in 2015 these guys were buying firearms (and learning how to use them) for the first time in their lives. Hint: they weren't protecting their families and businesses from evil white people, who almost universally have no problem with law-abiding immigrants Indian or otherwise.

You sound like you have the typical SDRE victimhood complex.

Mods - sorry for the OT rejoinder; I will say nothing more on this topic.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Nov 2016 05:01

Thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis!

I've got one for you too... analytical dysfunction, secondary to acute strawmanitis. I asked: what makes you think rich white folks everywhere want you living around them? You replied: because you had problems with blacks and latinos when you were living around them.

With those clearly superior thinking skills, no doubt you also equate Trump with Modi because Hillary is so much like Sonia. Q.E.D.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 17 Nov 2016 05:14

Nikki Haley being considered for Trump Cabinet positions??

COLUMBIA - South Carolina Lt. Gov. Henry McMaster told The Post and Courier on Wednesday that he and Gov. Nikki Haley are being considered for Cabinet positions in President-elect Donald Trump's administration.

McMaster said Haley is being considered for several Cabinet posts including secretary of state. McMaster, one of Trump’s earliest statewide political endorsers, said the daughter of Indian immigrants could provide a fresh set of eyes on foreign affairs.
...(more)

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 17 Nov 2016 05:26

Rudradev wrote:Thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis!

I've got one for you too... analytical dysfunction, secondary to acute strawmanitis. I asked: what makes you think rich white folks everywhere want you living around them? You replied: because you had problems with blacks and latinos when you were living around them.

With those clearly superior thinking skills, no doubt you also equate Trump with Modi because Hillary is so much like Sonia. Q.E.D.

Here is the answer to your stupid question..

Maybe they don't but do your brown brothers in Latino or Black community want you around them? The answer will surprise you.

And no one is equating trump with Modi. They came through diametrically opposite paths in Life but have reached the highest offices in their countries. The rest will be judged on their performances.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Nov 2016 05:33

Bheeshma wrote: Here is the answer to your stupid question..

Maybe they don't but do your brown brothers in Latino or Black community want you around them? The answer will surprise you.

Glad you see it as a stupid question, and have answered accordingly

I don't have any illusions that the Latino or Black community wants me (or any Indian) living around them. Have I ever communicated that I thought they do?

Fact is, the blacks and latinos see Indians as alien/competitors, and respond with hostility, and this is no different for the whites. If the latino grocery store employee in Jackson Heights, NY resents the Indian cab driver living next to him, then no less does the retrenched white former IT guy in Fresno, CA, resent the Indian techie living next to him.

To consider that reality, of course, would require you to have the capacity to think beyond binary alternatives.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Nov 2016 05:38

chanakyaa wrote:Nikki Haley being considered for Trump Cabinet positions??
COLUMBIA - South Carolina Lt. Gov. Henry McMaster told The Post and Courier on Wednesday that he and Gov. Nikki Haley are being considered for Cabinet positions in President-elect Donald Trump's administration.

McMaster said Haley is being considered for several Cabinet posts including secretary of state. McMaster, one of Trump’s earliest statewide political endorsers, said the daughter of Indian immigrants could provide a fresh set of eyes on foreign affairs.
...(more)

One would hope this is true, and it would be a positive sign if true. I do remember, during the SC primary, Haley made some very unflattering remarks about Trump while refusing to endorse him.

If Trump moves past that and appoints her, that would suggest he not only values merit over race but is also enough of a statesman to get over past grudges (has a better "temperament" than the Democrats have slandered him with).

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2016 05:51

Guys this thread was started in the hoary past to understand the US as it has its own history.

Instead it now becoming a US political thread with members taking pot shots at each other.

Its unbecoming of BRF to have the Indian politics thread in GDF while this is in Strat Forum.

So please show some restraint or it will be locked up or moved to GDF which is a lose for lurkers.

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 17 Nov 2016 06:00

Lilo wrote:An indian origin SJW Priya Jain being the obnoxious little gungadin on behalf of the "Liberal" classes of massa.
...
Recently another indian origin SJW Zarna Joshi trended b/c of one "Humungus" episode.

Holy crap. What did I just watch and read.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 17 Nov 2016 06:54

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Hundreds-walk-out-of-Stanford-classes-demand-10617192.php

Hundreds of people — students, faculty, staff and other supporters — had as of Tuesday evening signed an open letter addressed to President Marc Tessier-Lavigne and Provost John Etchemendy urging the two leaders to “immediately develop a protocol for making itself a sanctuary campus.”

Fractal recursivity in action. The liberals, having built a "safe space" in the blue states, have "safe cities" within that, but that is not enough; there have to be "safe campuses", and "safe buildings" within. Of course, we already have it down to a"safe space" of a person via the "safety pin". All that remains is for people to stick their heads inside their own rectums to create the ultimate intimate safe space.

PS: Happy to see that Stanford is as crazy as Berkeley these days

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 17 Nov 2016 08:50

Someone mentioned social mobility of great hindus/indians compared to whites and how this will cause friction with white working class. Has anyone here thought that may be that social mobility comes from the traditional family structure which is somewhat present still in PIOs/NRIs rather than your race ? May be since your daughters are not ****** around at age 13 like the white/black/hispanic degenerates in west (as most mentally colonised minds here think of as social "progress" ) , they are actually having stable families when married and are letting their children achieve far greater than what they themselves could in perhaps one of the best economic systems in the world? Btw, even Pakis earn more than average whites in USA ,

Food for thought for your RW SJW mirror image echo-chamber. Food for thought.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 17 Nov 2016 08:52

Mort Walker wrote: Wrong. Woolsey was Cullinary Institute director under Clinton and undersecretary of Navy under Carter. Woolsey was a big promoter of the Iraq war and wanted to invade Iraq for 9/11. Trump is feeling out all of those who supported him publicly. What if any position he gets remains to be seen. Any Woolsey nomination into an admin post would be the antithesis of DT's message of America first. He is also age 75.

He also worked for Reagan and Bush Senior, two Republican president not particularly favorably disposed towards India. More recently he has been an advisor to Trump and before that was involved with John McCain campaign. I would tend to think he is leaning republican.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Nov 2016 08:56

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Nov 2016 09:56

Dipanker wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: Wrong. Woolsey was Cullinary Institute director under Clinton and undersecretary of Navy under Carter. Woolsey was a big promoter of the Iraq war and wanted to invade Iraq for 9/11. Trump is feeling out all of those who supported him publicly. What if any position he gets remains to be seen. Any Woolsey nomination into an admin post would be the antithesis of DT's message of America first. He is also age 75.

He also worked for Reagan and Bush Senior, two Republican president not particularly favorably disposed towards India. More recently he has been an advisor to Trump and before that was involved with John McCain campaign. I would tend to think he is leaning republican.

Wrong again.
He held low level positions under republican admins. He is a neocon of the highest order that gained promotion with neocon democrats like Carter who created the NSG specifically against India, and BC who had people like Robin Raphel directing South Asia policy.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Nov 2016 10:01

Rudradev wrote:
chanakyaa wrote:Nikki Haley being considered for Trump Cabinet positions??
One would hope this is true, and it would be a positive sign if true. I do remember, during the SC primary, Haley made some very unflattering remarks about Trump while refusing to endorse him.

If Trump moves past that and appoints her, that would suggest he not only values merit over race but is also enough of a statesman to get over past grudges (has a better "temperament" than the Democrats have slandered him with).

We hope this is true. It would be a positive development.