How do 1 & 2 add up to your conclusion?krishna_krishna wrote:Sources :
1) Massa replaced P3C destroyed in terror attack for free :
http://www.dawn.com/news/637216
2) Sandeep Unnithan citing naval sources that it was similar to 209 used by IN :
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/paki ... 14350.html
Sid wrote:^^ Just a noob question, why these artillery rounds caused just a small puff. Specially the one which landed on top of roof.
Is that because of using smaller caliber (mortar rounds) or there is something else to it?
Yeah true. The other thing is that movie explosions are visibly "slow" the plume grows very slowly but looks spectacular. Sometimes bombs weighing 100s of kg give only a short flash and a "puff of dust". Hi velocity explosives burn so fast that the flash may not appear on a film that is recording at 25 fps. No good for movies - you need a slow burnLalmohan wrote:we are used to watching big fiery balls of black smoke in fillums... most HE explosions are small puffs without a lot of smoke and dust but with a huge shock wave that does all the damage
the incendiary orange ball is I believe far less damaging
jingle jingle jingle..anupmisra wrote:About those new 2000 Rupee notes found with the terrorists, is there a way to retrace those currency notes to the ATM or bank and the person who converted his/her old notes into these new ones?
Is this becoming the new "normal"? How long will this continue before the next big escalation?An Indian soldier in Kashmir was beheaded and two others killed by Pakistani commandos who crossed the Line of Control at Machil. Just three weeks ago, Sepoy Mandeep Singh was beheaded not far from the spot; the army has, just like then, vowed revenge. "Retribution will be heavy for this cowardly act," the army said in a statement.
One more GIF (unrelated to recent incidents):By Express News Service | Published: 22nd November 2016 08:58 PM |
Last Updated: 22nd November 2016 08:58 PM | A+A A- |
NEW DELHI: Total 18 Indian soldiers have been killed in the Line of Control by multiple acts carried out the Pakistani army, since Indian army’s cross border surgical strike on terror launch pads situated in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir.
Reacting to Tuesday’s killing of three soldiers, defence minister Manohar Parrikar told security forces to retaliate in strongest manner after he was briefed by the vice chief of army Lt. Gen Bipin Rawat on the incident.
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By Navy destroying ships in Karachianupmisra wrote:How do you shame the shameless?
Which is why out approach needs to change from being reactive to proactive. We need to reconcile with the fact that they will never see us as anything but the enemy and will never stop attacking us. Any momentary pause is just taqiyya. The sooner that we (especially the political class) internalize that, the better we can protect ourselves.pankajs wrote:Surprise mostly. The Pakis are the one who choose the time and the place. Some of their effort will succeed just for that reason. That is just the nature of the game.
120 mm and 80 mm mortars used, no heavy artillery guns yet.A day after Pakistan Army’s brutality at the border where three jawans were martyred and a jawan’s body was mutilated, sources have told TIMES NOW that the Indian Army has begun a massive counter assault along the LoC.
The counter assault began at around 9 am today and Pakistani posts along the LoC are being targeted.
On Tuesday, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had instructed the Army to “retaliate in the strongest possible manner.”
Meanwhile, Pakistan has resorted to violating ceasefire in Bhimbergali, KG Sector and Naushera Sector of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistani troops targeted Indian posts in Balakot sector of Poonch district as well.
Sources have told TIMES NOW that earlier today, Defence minister Manohar Parrikar met with Prime Minister Narendra Modi today morning and briefed him about the latest developments at the LoC.
Sources add that a clear line was given that no stone was to be left unturned and Pakistani provocations need to be retaliated with the same vigour.
Three Pakistan Army soldiers were killed in an exchange of fire with Indian troops near the Line of Control (LoC) on Wednesday, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said.
"Three Pakistani soldiers valiantly embraced shahadat at the Line of Control while responding to Indian unprovoked firing," the ISPR said.
The army's media wing identified the soldiers as Captain Taimoor Ali Khan, Havaldar Mushtaq Hussain and Lance Naik Ghulam Hussain.
An ISPR statement also said that seven Indian soldiers confirmed dead in retaliatory fire.
The ISPR added that the exchange of fire between Pakistani and Indian troops is ongoing.
"It may be mentioned here that in order to distract attention from the real issue of atrocities in India-held Kashmir by Indian troops, they are now targeting civilians population across the LoC towards the Pakistan side," the ISPR claimed.
Earlier today, Indian troops targeted a passenger bus near the LoC, killing nine people and injuring 11 others in Lawat.
In a separate incident of Indian shelling in Nakyal and Tatta Pani, one person was killed and seven others injured.
The latest incident of cross-border firing comes just a day after the Indian army claimed three of its soldiers were killed along the LoC and threatened Pakistani forces of retribution.
The Indian army also claimed that the body of one of the dead soldiers had been "mutilated."
The Foreign Office however rejected the claim, saying that the "reports are a fabrication and a blatant attempt to malign Pakistan".
Cross-border firing a new normal
Tensions between Pakistan and India have been running high following an alleged 'surgical strike', unrest in Kashmir and the Uri army base attack in September.
Since then there have been repeated outbreaks of cross-border firing in Kashmir, with both sides reporting deaths and injuries including of civilians.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi stepped up a drive to isolate Pakistan diplomatically after the Uri army base attack in which 19 Indian soldiers were killed. Hours after the attack occurred, Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh termed Pakistan a 'terrorist state' and accused Pakistan of involvement.
The Uri attack occurred days before Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was set to address the United Nations General Assembly regarding Indian human rights violations in held Kashmir.
Following the attack, India claimed it had conducted a cross-border 'surgical strike' against 'launch pads of terror' in Azad Jammu and Kashmir — a claim Pakistan has strongly rejected.
Pakistan maintains that India is attempting to divert the world's attention away from atrocities committed by government forces in India-held Kashmir.
Pakistan and India have, most recently, locked horns over Kashmir since Indian forces stepped up a crackdown against protesters after Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani was killed by government forces in July.
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Jeez what would Saudis, Iranis and Egyptian's should think of Israel Then.manjgu wrote:a country 1/7 of our size is making problems for us...shame on us. i hate the word 'befitting reply' ..it should be 'disproportionate reply' or ' devastating reply" ...
From here:Aftermath of Indian Army’s Punitive Fire Assaults: Pak DGMO Requests for Unscheduled Talks on Hotline
In an unscheduled Hot Line interaction requested for by Pakistan, Indian Director General of Military Operations (DGMO) Lt Gen Ranbir Singh spoke to his counterpart this evening. Pak DGMO informed of civilian casualties on Pak side by Indian firing along the Line of Control. Lt Gen Ranbir Singh expressed grief at Pak civilian casualties but emphatically stated that retaliatory firing by Indian troops has only been carried out targeting locations from where Pakistan has initiated cease fire violations on Indian Posts. Lt Gen Ranbir Singh expressed his concerns to Pak DGMO on casualties caused to Indian civilians and soldiers due to unprovoked Pak firing.
Indian DGMO further raised the issue of infiltration attempts by terrorists from Pak side into J&K and the un-ethical act of mutilation of the body of Indian soldiers close to the Line of Control by terrorists infiltrating from Pakistan. Pak DGMO was exhorted to exercise strict control on their troops to refrain from any nefarious activities. This would lead to return of normalcy along Line of Control. However, he was categorically informed that if any cease fire violations were initiated by Pak troops or any infiltration attempts were made by terrorists from Pak Occupied Kashmir or territory under its control, it would invite an appropriate response by Indian Army.
Col Rohan Anand, SM
PRO (Army)
(Release ID :154207)
Indian troops resumed heavy shelling on Wednesday after a day-long lull and targeted a passenger bus in Azad Jammu and Kashmir's Lawat area, killing nine people and injuring 11 others. Indian troops also fired at an ambulance which went into the area for evacuation, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said.A total of 10 people have been killed today, and 18 others wounded in Indian shelling.SP Mir said shelling in Neelum valley had begun at about 3:00am, but intensified in the morning. Officials from other areas had similar stories.Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif held a special meeting at the Corps Headquarters Rawalpindi to review the situation along the Line of Control (LoC), with emphasis on the attack by Indian troops on a civilian bus, said a statement released by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).In a separate incident of Indian shelling in Nakyal, one person was killed and six others injured.Sardar Zeeshan Nisar, assistant commissioner of Nakyal, in the southern Kotli district said, "Shelling in my area has started at about 8:40 am, and it has been indiscriminate."Tatta Pani sector of district Kotli was also receiving shells. According to an official at the office of the deputy commissioner Kotli, one person was injured in the area.Locals in Battal, Madarpur sectors of district Poonch said their areas were also hit by heavy shelling."There were unconfirmed reports about some people having been injured, but we are awaiting confirmation," a police official told Dawn from MadarpurAJK Legislative Assembly Speaker Shah Ghulam Qadir who has returned from Neelum valley said the situation was critical all along the LoC."I call upon the government of Pakistan to raise the unprovoked shelling of civilian populations as an issue in the UN Security Council to build pressure on India," he told journalists in Muzaffarabad.He said since Neelum valley was highly vulnerable to Indian guns, "a great trial had begun for its nearly 250,000 residents."He claimed that Indian troops were not even allowing transportation of injured persons to Muzaffarabad.
You don't. You increase their rage, and cause them to self-destruct.anupmisra wrote:How do you shame the shameless?