India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011

habal · Post by **habal** » 20 Oct 2016 19:00

very simple. China needs to be dropped out of NSG, by consensus ofcourse.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2016 19:43

kit wrote:China has transferred reprocessing tech for Uranium and Plutonium to Pakistan ..what happened to NSG then ?

Ohh. . . that was grand-fathered and everyone decided to keep quiet.

kit · Post by **kit** » 20 Oct 2016 20:22

India and Russia have had a lot of deals in the past.. probably something in those agreements can be put to use as a reason if need be for Russian reprocessing facilities in India

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 20 Oct 2016 21:41

HaHa.. Without India in NSG, NSG itself will be a bust. India has plans to put in place 60,000 MW of nuke power by 2032. This is likely to be the majority of nuclear commerce in the next 20 years. Without this, there is no nuclear supply and there is no nuclear supplier group.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Oct 2016 23:05

Yaa,
If you want to supply to India, then you have to be in a common grouping with india that deals with nuclear supply.

Cheen has a case of rotten eggs. It can only supply untested, cheeni quality stuff to a third rate country - Pakistan, and that too on cheeni loan.

All these pipsqeaks are component manufacturers who were selling to the west, except that no new nuclear reactors are under construction in the west.
India and China, and in the future, oil rich Iran, brazil are pretty much the only game in town...

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 26 Oct 2016 07:46

Meanwhile while people keep debating about odd stuff, I find following kind of news is much more interesting to me..

One of the agreement signed between India and Russia on the sidelines of the BRICS Business Forum may not have gotten too much attention but ....

This was an agreement for network of integrated infrastructure centers for radiation treatment in India.

Among other things, just to give a perspective it will save/reduce loss of onions in India, about 42,000 tons per year!
(Radiation treatment of food products is one of various applications of state-of-the-art radiation technologies, I heard them saying that it can reduce the loss from about 15% to about 3% by irradiating food. Irradiation does not reduce the nutritional value of food, it is absolutely safe, and does not change their organoleptic properties and appearance. Some of us remember "nuclear mangos" now being exported from India to USA)

India to become a center of radiation technologies and countries like UAE, Malaysia are interested..

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 26 Oct 2016 07:59

Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile while people keep debating about odd stuff, I find following kind of news is much more interesting to me..

One of the agreement signed between India and Russia on the sidelines of the BRICS Business Forum may not have gotten too much attention but ....

This was an agreement for network of integrated infrastructure centers for radiation treatment in India.

Among other things, just to give a perspective it will save/reduce loss of onions in India, about 42,000 tons per year!
(Radiation treatment of food products is one of various applications of state-of-the-art radiation technologies, I heard them saying that it can reduce the loss from about 15% to about 3% by irradiating food. Irradiation does not reduce the nutritional value of food, it is absolutely safe, and does not change their organoleptic properties and appearance. Some of us remember "nuclear mangos" now being exported from India to USA)

India to become a center of radiation technologies and countries like UAE, Malaysia are interested..

Yes. It actually is quite safe as irradiating doesn't involve heating fruits, vegetables and meats. Thermal radiation and microwaving food will alter the chemical bonds and impact taste. Irradiation will kill off any pests without the use of harmful chemicals and keep food more organic. I have yet to get any Indian mangoes where I'm at in the southwest. Ours still come from Mexico.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 26 Oct 2016 09:43

Radiation technology, India still needs ToT from the 1950s. Sigh.

navneeet · Post by **navneeet** » 26 Oct 2016 17:14

AFAIK, Aerb has the technology. its quite simple, a conveyer belt moving across a window with the gamma source. the speed of the belt and the size of the window decide the dose- higher doses for sterilization, and progressively lower doses for killing pests, retarding growth/ sprouting / increasing shelf life etc. Have seen such a facility near Shirdi- Shani Shingnapur. We may be lacking in the sources though, which is usually Cobalt-60. This is an isotope with a short half life ~5 yrs, and produced only in nuclear reactors.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 26 Oct 2016 21:34

^^ For me, it is not the "technology" per-se but the commercial use . Tie-up with United Corporation for Innovation (Russia) and Agricultural Association (India) to have a network, infrastructure centers.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Oct 2016 05:56

Some poor pipsqueak country could have supplied the stuff that Roos will now supply.
Serves them right for blocking India at the various nuclear forums.

These pipsqueaks should stick to chocolate and milk onlee

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2016 09:19

SSridhar wrote:
kit wrote:China has transferred reprocessing tech for Uranium and Plutonium to Pakistan ..what happened to NSG then ?
Ohh. . . that was grand-fathered and everyone decided to keep quiet.

India never voiced. who was the grand?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Oct 2016 21:36

Russia invites India to join fast-neutron reactor project

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Nov 2016 00:37

Austin wrote:Russia invites India to join fast-neutron reactor project
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Russia's fast neutron 789MWe reactor commercially operating and several countries are building 14 new fast reactor designs by 2028
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/ru ... actor.html

Russia's fast neutron 789MWe reactor commercially operating and several countries are building 14 new fast reactor designs by 2028.Unit 4 of the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant in Russia has started commercial operation, state nuclear corporation Rosatom announced today. The BN-800 fast neutron reactor started operating at 100% power for the first time on 17 August.The 789 MWe BN-800 Beloyarsk 4 is fuelled by a mix of uranium and plutonium oxides arranged to produce new fuel material as it burns. Its capacity exceeds that of the world's second most powerful fast reactor - the 560 MWe BN-600 Beloyarsk 3.The service life of the BN-800 is 40 years. Net thermal efficiency is 39.35% and average fuel burnup is 66 GWd/t with potential increase to 100 GWd/t. It has much enhanced safety and improved economy – while capital cost is 20% more than VVER-1200, operating cost is expected to be only 15% more than VVER. It is capable of burning up to 3 tonnes of plutonium per year from dismantled weapons (1.7 t/yr also quoted by OKBM Afrikantov) and will test the recycling of minor actinides in the fuel.An important feature of BN-800 closed-loop fuel cycle is that actinides (both plutonium and minor actinides) produced in the reactor are consumed in the same reactor. The reactor fuel cycle in equilibrium accommodates about 5 t plutonium (including 3 t in the core and 2 t in the external fuel cycle), and about 200 kg minor actinides. It is assumed that the reactor core would be recycled 20 times in 40 years of service life, based on 730 equivalent days of a fuel campaign. The main purpose of the BN-800 is to provide operating experience and technological solutions, especially regarding the fuel, that will be applied to the BN-1200.In 2009 two BN-800 reactors were sold to China. Construction at Sanming is delayed from intended start in 2013 and may happen after 2020.
Russia plans to reconfigure the BN-600 by replacing the fertile blanket around the core with steel reflector assemblies to burn the plutonium from its military stockpiles. Its licence has been extended to 2020 and a further five-year extension is envisaged.
Natural uranium contains about 0.7% U-235 and 99.3% U-238. In any reactor some of the U-238 component is turned into several isotopes of plutonium during its operation. Two of these, Pu-239 and Pu-241, then undergo fission in the same way as U-235 to produce heat. In a FNR this process is optimised so that it 'breeds' fuel. Some U-238 is burned directly with neutron energies above 1 MeV. Hence FNRs can utilise uranium about 60 times more efficiently than a normal reactor. They are however expensive to build and operate, including the reprocessing, and are only justified economically if uranium prices are reasonably high, or on the basis of burning actinides in nuclear wastesThe BN-1200 fast reactor is being developed by OKBM Afrikantov in Zarechny as a next step towards Generation IV designs, and the design was expected to be complete by 2016. Rosenergoatom is ready to involve foreign specialists in its project, with India and China particularly mentioned. Rosatom's Science and Technology Council has approved the BN-1200 reactor for Beloyarsk, with plant operation from about 2025. A second one will be built at South Urals by 2030. It is significantly different from preceding BN models (four-loop rather than three-loop, being one aspect), and Rosatom plans to submit the BN-1200 to the Generation IV International Forum (GIF) as a Generation IV design.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 02 Nov 2016 02:40

Sounds like we'd be handed a large bill for a facility that's not even in our country.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 02 Nov 2016 10:52

I think we should accelerate AHWRs using imported enriched uranium and domestic thorium. The Nuclear treaties give us benefit of jumping to third stage while still setting up second stage of nuclear cycle.

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 03 Nov 2016 16:52

AHWR requires U235 fuel enriched to about 20% (euphemistically mis-termed as 'LEU' by mis-applying a wepons terminology definition). This level of enrichment is about 3 to 5 times that used in a LWR.
I think by the 'rules of engagement' as applicable at present, to imported fuel and reactors, India would have to agree to place AHWR under IAEA inspection regime if it has to use imported fuel (even if it is Nat U to be enriched in India). Is this acceptable to GoI and DAE and others who may want to preserve their IPR from foreign eyes?

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 03 Nov 2016 17:49

^^^^^
Thanks to 'pursuit in perpetuity' clauses which I think have been incorporated in the 'deal', not only the particular AHWR using imported fuel, but also all other downstream nuclear facilities such as Reproc plants, Th-based reactors and Waste Storage Facilities which may process or use even one atom of material harvested from the AHWR, would have to come under Safeguards Inspection regime.

Of course this will also be applicable to PHWRs that have already been placed under Safeguards, having agreed to use imported Nat U fuel in them.

durairaaj · Post by **durairaaj** » 03 Nov 2016 17:55

I think Brazil had a similar issue to keep their centrifuges under safegaurds. Their centrifuge design is the world's best and efficient. They did not want others to know, so the deal is centrifuge will be considered as blackbox and inspectors will not have access to it, including video cameras will not focus on that. However, nuclear material in and out of the centrifuge will be under safegaurd and is liable for inspection. If we can have similar arrangements, I think our AHWR can be put under safegaurds.
However, what I learnt from reliable sources is AHWR tech has not yet matured to a level where we can mint the reactors. We are still in the learning phase to master several technologies.
What is more disheartening is instead of going for several phase 1 reactors with imported U, we are draining money into inefficient processes including MGNREGA, solar, bio ethanol etc... there is an entire research institute with so called scientists and researchers in non conventional energy sources, who do nothing but chai biscoot on a daily basis.

RohitAM · Post by **RohitAM** » 03 Nov 2016 19:20

Have there been any updates recently about our own Thorium-based AHWR? It seems to have completely disappeared off the radar after allegations during the UPA regime of the government selling Thorium deposits away to private players to salt away even more money into their Swiss-Italian accounts. Is the Bhabha ARC still working on it, because I've been reading about its development for almost two decades now and it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere fast.

Rana S · Post by **Rana S** » 05 Nov 2016 07:23

Interesting history of thorium development and a lot of modern nuclear stuff - long but covers

Thorium physics, reactor design, all the rubbish of "alternative" and "green" and what happend in Fukushima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sG9_OplUK8

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 05 Nov 2016 11:18

We should have no problem sharing and even distributing IPR of AHWR as our main concern is developing energy security using thorium. World wide effort in refinement of technologies using Thorium will ultimately benefit India. Sodium based reactors have always been a problematic technology and AHWR would help us overcome the bottleneck. Let's assume China steals this technology and builds 100 such reactors, even then it will benefit India by reducing Chinese demand for traditional energy resources in the world and decreasing their prices.

wig · Post by **wig** » 07 Nov 2016 15:10

http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003331556

Japanese and Indian governments are headed toward signing a nuclear cooperation agreement that will enable Japan to export to India materials, machinery and technologies related to nuclear power plants, it has been learned.

The signing ceremony is set to be held when Prime Minister Shinzo Abe meets with his Indian counterpart, Narendra Modi, in Tokyo on Friday, according to Japanese government sources.

It will be the first time for Japan to sign a nuclear cooperation accord with a non-signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

The two sides are making final arrangements so that a separate document will stipulate that Japan can suspend providing cooperation if India conducts another nuclear bomb test.

Japan initially planned to include such a stipulation in the accord itself, but India did not agree to it.

Therefore, the government agreed to make the accord only mention that Japan’s cooperation will be limited to peaceful purposes, along with general clauses on suspension of the cooperation, while trying to ensure in the separate document that Tokyo can halt such cooperation.

India declared a moratorium on nuclear bomb tests after it conducted a series of such tests in 1998.

When Abe and Modi sign the agreement, Japan will call for India to ensure once again that it will maintain the moratorium in a bid to make the suspension stipulation more effective.

A nuclear cooperation agreement is a precondition for exporting materials, machinery and technologies related to nuclear power plants. Japan has signed this kind of accord with 14 other countries and organizations, including the United States. Agreements took effect with Russia in 2012 and with Turkey and the United Arab Emirates in 2014.

Japan and India started negotiations on a nuclear cooperation accord in 2010, when the Democratic Party of Japan was in power. The talks, however, were suspended in the wake of the Great East Japan Earthquake the following year.

Abe, who regards exports of nuclear power plants as part of his economic growth strategy, met with then Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in May 2013, and the two leaders agreed to resume negotiations and sign an accord as soon as possible.

Abe and Singh also held talks in December last year, during which they agreed in principle to sign a nuclear cooperation accord.

However, Tokyo, which calls for nuclear arms reduction and nonproliferation as Japan is the only country that has been hit by nuclear weapons, has been facing strong criticism over signing such an agreement with New Delhi because India has not signed the NPT and possesses nuclear weapons.

The government believes it can be consistent with its stance of promoting nuclear disarmament if it ensures that Tokyo can suspend cooperation if New Delhi conducts another nuclear bomb test.

As India considers neighboring China to be a security threat, signing the accord has been promoted as sharing Japan’s interests.

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Nov 2016 22:06

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Kyodo wire service via Japan Times on the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s whining about India concluding a deal with Japan on civilian nuclear technology. :

Pakistan raps what it called Japan’s ‘discriminatory’ nuclear deal with India
KYODO
NOV 12, 2016

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan fears Japan’s signing of a civilian nuclear technology deal with India could undermine regional stability, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, while asking the international community not to discriminate against his country in favor of its neighboring archrival.

The official, Nafess Zakaria, responding to a Kyodo News query on Friday’s deal inked during Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Tokyo, urged Japan and other countries “to objectively assess the consequences of discriminatory approaches to our region.”

Pakistan, he said, considers the exemption granted to India by the Vienna-based Nuclear Suppliers Group, effectively allowing the South Asian country to expand its nuclear power industry, “has negatively impacted the strategic balance in the region.”

“It has allowed India to gain access to foreign sources of nuclear fuel and freed up its domestic reserves which are being utilized for rapid expansion of its military nuclear program,” he said, adding, “We have taken up the issue … with the Japanese side.” …………………….

From here:

Pakistan raps what it called Japan’s ‘discriminatory’ nuclear deal with India

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Nov 2016 22:39

X Posted from the India - Japan News & Discussion thread.

The survivors of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki aka “hibakusha” have opted to live under the protection of the nuclear umbrella of the very country that atom bombed them ie: the United States of America for some 70 years. It is thus only expected that Japanese now shut their mouths and cease fulminating about the civilian nuclear deal with India.

For too long Japan and her people have used their being atomic bombed, and justifiably so given the imposition of war by Japan on such a wide swath of Asia, as a burka/burqua to cover up the horrors unleashed by them in the run up to the second world war and during that war even while hypocritically taking shelter under the nuclear umbrella of the very nation that atom bombed them after the war. :

From the Asahi Shimbun:

Nuclear accord with India draws fire from A-bomb survivors, others

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 14 Nov 2016 00:00

Pakistan fears Japan’s signing of a civilian nuclear technology deal with India could undermine regional stability, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, while asking the international community not to discriminate against his country in favor of its neighboring archrival.

This just in, Botswana Land has strongly objected to the discriminatory nature of the India-Japan accord.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 14 Nov 2016 05:46

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistan fears Japan’s signing of a civilian nuclear technology deal with India could undermine regional stability, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, while asking the international community not to discriminate against his country in favor of its neighboring archrival.

This just in, Botswana Land has strongly objected to the discriminatory nature of the India-Japan accord.

I see what you are doing there

, but actually 'Botswana Land' if such a country existed would definitely not be that petty and stupid.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Nov 2016 17:40

India - Australia Civil Nuclear Deal inches forward.

The Civil Nuclear Transfers to India Bill is introduced in Australia’s parliament on Wednesday with the intent to give legal and commercial certainty to Australian suppliers of their obligations under safeguard agreements:

Uranium sellers to get better protection

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Nov 2016 12:40

Presuming not a case of tardy web site updating by NPCIL or my not keeping upto date on reactor commissioning, there seems to be some problems with the 700 MwE PHWR’s coming up at RAPS Rawatbhata and KAPS Kakrapar.

RAPS Unit 7 which was supposed to be commissioned in June 2016 followed by RAPS Unit 8 in December 2016, respectively show 3 of 11 and 2 of 11 milestones complete:

RAPS

KAPS Unit 3 which was supposed to be commissioned in June 2015 followed by KAPS Unit 4 in December 2015, more ominously carries the message ”Under Review” under the heading Expected Date of Commercial Operation:

KAPS

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Dec 2016 12:55

The Recent Declassification of India's Secret 'Long Telegram' Shows Why It Went Nuclear

The nuclear specter of China has always been India's overwhelming consideration.
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“The main argument in favor of India going nuclear is the Chinese threat” — L.K. Jha (Secretary to Prime Minister) March 5, 1967
“A nuclear stand-off with China is essential as soon as possible” — P.N. Haksar (Secretary to Prime Minister) 1968

The Counsel of History
Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar recently made a controversial “personal” comment that perhaps India must revisit its no first-use nuclear policy. However, the only available document on Indian nuclear policy has been the “Draft Nuclear Doctrine,” which has fostered perpetual speculation on the vector and valences of Indian strategic doctrine. We have had little historical perspective on how Indian doctrine has absorbed Chinese and Pakistan nuclear threats ever since India carried out its first underground nuclear test — “Smiling Buddha” — in May 1974. There is still no consensus on what the historical reasons were for India to cross the no-bomb line or what internal discussions were taking place between the scientists and the prime minister’s office.

However, newly declassified documents from the prime minister’s office, which include letters between the prime minister’s office and the Department of Atomic Energy, as well as correspondence between the prime minister and scientists help establish the specific considerations that went into the making of India’s nuclear doctrine. It revises arguments such as those of George Perkovich, that, in the second half of the sixties, “the (Indian) scientists acted without benefit of a national security strategy or requirement.” The documents reveal disquiet among India’s strategists about China’s repeated nuclear tests from 1964 onwards.

India’s “Long Telegram” and Crossing the No-Bomb Line
Perhaps the single most important document for establishing the evolving history of India’s nuclear weapons policy comes from P.N. Haksar, Secretary to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi that may be dated to 1968. The note is titled “Need for India In a Changing World to Reassess her National Interest and Foreign policy.”
The revealing document tends to defy most assumptions held about India’s nuclear policy regarding the level of “stand-off capability” that was being considered in the Prime Minister Secretariat. P.N Haskar wrote:
i. the making of nuclear arms in the shape of medium range (2,000-3,000 miles) capable, from sites within India’s frontiers, of striking with success not only a few chosen targets in Tibet but of ranging as far afield as the industrial heart of China in Manchuria and in the great river valleys south of it which include some of her principal industries and urban centers of population
ii. The development simultaneously of submarines driven by nuclear power fitted out to carry nuclear missiles
iii. This nuclear arms program should be based on adequate stockpiling of those sensitive instruments and machinery…. which will be difficult to import from abroad increasingly

Haksar distinguished between the role of nuclear India as opposed to other nuclear powers. Haksar also reveals his thought that India’s nuclear ambition should be clearly communicated with the United States at a relevant time. The nuclear specter of China remained the overwhelming consideration. Haksar seemed to appreciate nuclear balancing in Europe and wrote of India’s “own security require that she becomes a nuclear power to establish a genuine balance of power with China.”

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Dec 2016 20:31

Nuclear projects in third countries: Indian cog in Russia’s nuclear apparatus

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Dec 2016 02:16

A panwala said that India's fast breeder program was purposely delayed by the US sitting on Germany to delay the coolant pumps for the liquid sodium.

After hectic efforts by the GOI, they have only recently been shipped to India.

Bagal Mein Churi, Muh Mein Ram by obama.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Dec 2016 04:03

I won't discount that. The reactor was supposed to have gone critical three years back and the Establishment has been unable to offer a credible explanation for the delay.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 24 Dec 2016 08:29

If it should have gone critical three years before, the pumps should have been made available, installed, tested much earlier. Puts it in squarely UPA territory. Not looking to score a political point, but MMS was reported to have slow things down to get the nuke deal. Who knows how much 'reverse pressure' was put by GoI itself on BARC/IGCAR in the hope of a few carrots from the US?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Dec 2016 10:27

arshyam wrote:If it should have gone critical three years before, the pumps should have been made available, installed, tested much earlier. Puts it in squarely UPA territory. Not looking to score a political point, but MMS was reported to have slow things down to get the nuke deal. Who knows how much 'reverse pressure' was put by GoI itself on BARC/IGCAR in the hope of a few carrots from the US?

The fast breeder seems to be a particularly touchy subject with many countries who have all assumed an anti India stance on this project.

Lots of burnol being used by these folks.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 24 Dec 2016 14:21

The Stuxnet virus was found in a lot of Seimens sourced hardware and process control software and affected a number of Indian entities, therefore it would be advisable to reengineer the pumps and the control software before testing on the plant, in the same way that the GSLV had to be done. India would then be in a commercial position to sell systems that are stuxnet and trogan free.

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Dec 2016 10:02

chetak wrote:A panwala said that India's fast breeder program was purposely delayed by the US sitting on Germany to delay the coolant pumps for the liquid sodium.

After hectic efforts by the GOI, they have only recently been shipped to India.

Bagal Mein Churi, Muh Mein Ram by obama.

Certainly possible but then again as I had pointed out on the previous page of this thread, our Nuclear Power Generation establishment is not exactly know to keep up with timelines going by the under construction reactor projects at Rawatbhata and Kakrapar:

arun wrote:Presuming not a case of tardy web site updating by NPCIL or my not keeping upto date on reactor commissioning, there seems to be some problems with the 700 MwE PHWR’s coming up at RAPS Rawatbhata and KAPS Kakrapar.

RAPS Unit 7 which was supposed to be commissioned in June 2016 followed by RAPS Unit 8 in December 2016, respectively show 3 of 11 and 2 of 11 milestones complete:

RAPS

KAPS Unit 3 which was supposed to be commissioned in June 2015 followed by KAPS Unit 4 in December 2015, more ominously carries the message ”Under Review” under the heading Expected Date of Commercial Operation:

KAPS

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 26 Dec 2016 12:42

On 23 Dec 2016

chetak wrote:A panwala said that India's fast breeder program was purposely delayed by the US sitting on Germany to delay the coolant pumps for the liquid sodium.

After hectic efforts by the GOI, they have only recently been shipped to India. {emphasis mine}

Bagal Mein Churi, Muh Mein Ram by obama.

I believe both Primary and Secondary Liquid Sodium Cooling Pumps for PFBR were indigenously developed and manufactured. Both have been installed.

References:

1) Kirloskar - cascade Oct Dec 2013 (The year that was 2013 -)
http://www.kirloskarpumps.com/Control/C ... AM2013.pdf

Kirloskar Brothers Limited (KBL) handed over its technological marvel to the first-of-its-kind 500MW Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) project in India underway by Bharatiya Nabhikiya
Vidyut Nigam Limited (BHAVINI).

Dr. Prabhat Kumar, Chairman & Managing Director, BHAVINI flagged off the “1st Primary Sodium Pumps (PSP)” from the 100 year old Kirloskarvadi plant of Kirloskar Brothers Limited. The three PSPs manufactured in Kirloskarvadi – one of India’s oldest industrial townships – weigh 135 tonnes and handle 516,000 litres of liquid sodium per minute at Kalpakkam Nuclear Plant. At 590
rpm (rotations per minute). These technological marvels will handle 400 °C to 550 °C working temperature of liquid sodium.

The PFBR setup has two types of Sodium Pumps. In the primary circuit, Primary Sodium Pump, installed in the main reactor transport the reactor core heat to secondary system. In the secondary circuit, Secondary Sodium Pumps feed the liquid Sodium back to reactor pool after taking away the heat through Heat Exchanger to light water, so as to convert it in to steam. These Secondary Sodium Pumps are installed outside the reactor vessel.

It is a privilege that India is the third country to enter the Second Stage of Nuclear Cycle and KBL is the only Indian company to develop such critical application pumps.

Speaking on the occasion Mr. Sanjay Kirloskar, Chairman & Managing Director, Kirloskar Brothers Limited said: “It gives me immense satisfaction to see Kirloskar Brothers at the forefront of technological advancements taking place in the Nuclear Power space. The vertical, single stage, top suction pumps are nothing but an alternate to imports. Today I can proudly say: we can.”

2) DESIGN, MANUFACTURING AND TESTING OF SECONDARY SODIUM PUMP
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... DIUM_PUMP

3) PROJECT STATUS OF PROTOTYPE FAST BREEDER REACTOR (PFBR) UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT KALPAKKAM, INDIA
https://www.iaea.org/NuclearPower/Downl ... ndia.5.pdf

Status seems to be as of May 2014
See pages 13 1nd 14 regarding inatallation of the pumps.

May be the panwala belongs to some Department of Disinformation, if such an entity indeed exists

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2016 11:16

Sanatanan wrote:On 23 Dec 2016
chetak wrote:A panwala said that India's fast breeder program was purposely delayed by the US sitting on Germany to delay the coolant pumps for the liquid sodium.

After hectic efforts by the GOI, they have only recently been shipped to India. {emphasis mine}

Bagal Mein Churi, Muh Mein Ram by obama.
I believe both Primary and Secondary Liquid Sodium Cooling Pumps for PFBR were indigenously developed and manufactured. Both have been installed.

References:

1) Kirloskar - cascade Oct Dec 2013 (The year that was 2013 -)
http://www.kirloskarpumps.com/Control/C ... AM2013.pdf

Kirloskar Brothers Limited (KBL) handed over its technological marvel to the first-of-its-kind 500MW Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) project in India underway by Bharatiya Nabhikiya
Vidyut Nigam Limited (BHAVINI).

Dr. Prabhat Kumar, Chairman & Managing Director, BHAVINI flagged off the “1st Primary Sodium Pumps (PSP)” from the 100 year old Kirloskarvadi plant of Kirloskar Brothers Limited. The three PSPs manufactured in Kirloskarvadi – one of India’s oldest industrial townships – weigh 135 tonnes and handle 516,000 litres of liquid sodium per minute at Kalpakkam Nuclear Plant. At 590
rpm (rotations per minute). These technological marvels will handle 400 °C to 550 °C working temperature of liquid sodium.

The PFBR setup has two types of Sodium Pumps. In the primary circuit, Primary Sodium Pump, installed in the main reactor transport the reactor core heat to secondary system. In the secondary circuit, Secondary Sodium Pumps feed the liquid Sodium back to reactor pool after taking away the heat through Heat Exchanger to light water, so as to convert it in to steam. These Secondary Sodium Pumps are installed outside the reactor vessel.

It is a privilege that India is the third country to enter the Second Stage of Nuclear Cycle and KBL is the only Indian company to develop such critical application pumps.

Speaking on the occasion Mr. Sanjay Kirloskar, Chairman & Managing Director, Kirloskar Brothers Limited said: “It gives me immense satisfaction to see Kirloskar Brothers at the forefront of technological advancements taking place in the Nuclear Power space. The vertical, single stage, top suction pumps are nothing but an alternate to imports. Today I can proudly say: we can.”
2) DESIGN, MANUFACTURING AND TESTING OF SECONDARY SODIUM PUMP
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... DIUM_PUMP

3) PROJECT STATUS OF PROTOTYPE FAST BREEDER REACTOR (PFBR) UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT KALPAKKAM, INDIA
https://www.iaea.org/NuclearPower/Downl ... ndia.5.pdf

Status seems to be as of May 2014
See pages 13 1nd 14 regarding inatallation of the pumps.

May be the panwala belongs to some Department of Disinformation, if such an entity indeed exists

I am verifying this.

It may take a bit of time but we are all working towards the same goal on this forum.

no need to be snide.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2016 12:59

^^^^^^^
@Sanatanan

You were right.

kirloskar has won the global tender, beating out established western companies in the process. The US pressure however is unmistakable.

The customer is happy with the end product from kirloskar as they seem to have met all specs in the tender.

system and loop tests are currently going on and criticalality may, repeat may, be some months away, touch wood.

The delay seems to have been caused because of some other suppliers within India who had to depend on imported raw material.

FBRs two and three are also in the pipeline, for two, it has started civil works, apparently well under way and for three, maybe ground breaking has commenced.