India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 27 Dec 2016 13:55

Trump is saying all the things Modi wants to say but can't...

Trump: "UN is just a Club to have Good Times"

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Dec 2016 18:27

Nearly 95% of all new jobs during Obama era were part-time, or contract

http://www.investing.com/news/economy-n ... ork-449057

Investing.com -- A new study by economists from Harvard and Princeton indicates that 94% of the 10 million new jobs created during the Obama era were temporary positions.

The study shows that the jobs were temporary, contract positions, or part-time "gig" jobs in a variety of fields.

Female workers suffered most heavily in this economy, as work in traditionally feminine fields, like education and medicine, declined during the era.

The research by economists Lawrence Katz of Harvard University and Alan Krueger at Princeton University shows that the proportion of workers throughout the U.S., during the Obama era, who were working in these kinds of temporary jobs, increased from 10.7% of the population to 15.8%.

Krueger, a former chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, was surprised by the finding.

The disappearance of conventional full-time work, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. work, has hit every demographic. “Workers seeking full-time, steady work have lost,” said Krueger.

Under Obama, 1 million fewer workers, overall, are working than before the beginning of the Great Recession.

The outgoing president believes his administration was a net positive for workers, however.

"Since I signed Obamacare into law (in 2010), our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs," said Obama, during his farewell press conference last Friday, covered by Investing.com.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Dec 2016 19:07

Austin wrote:Nearly 95% of all new jobs during Obama era were part-time, or contract

http://www.investing.com/news/economy-n ... ork-449057

Investing.com -- A new study by economists from Harvard and Princeton indicates that 94% of the 10 million new jobs created during the Obama era were temporary positions.

..........

"Since I signed Obamacare into law (in 2010), our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs," said Obama, during his farewell press conference last Friday, covered by Investing.com.

That they are "gigs" does not surpriseme, after all automation had taken over a lot. The percentage does.

At Philly airport the number of restaurant people have been reduced by a cool 90% - automation.

They are already experimenting with printable food, etc.

If true it is very, very bad news for India. MII is DOA.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 27 Dec 2016 19:11

NRaoji, even the check-out queues are being turned to self-service which reduces these jobs as well. I was in a pharmacy which uses hand written prescriptions to punch-in codes in a robot which picks up the required medicine. In future, when all prescriptions are electronic, pharmacist will become a substantially more specialized back-end job.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Dec 2016 20:33

In 2015, I was architecting a world-wide solution for a financial institution. We places their entire data into memory and did away with IBMs DB2 and Oracle.

Another group - working on agile technologies- did away (100%) with testing, no humans at all.

The company had an entire floor allocated to TCS. Needless to say we were not a welcome sight. Have not tracked the project (I left that company after that gig), but the game plan was to get rid of 80% of the programmers by mid 2017.

The Ambani and Trump and Ichans will grow richer.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 27 Dec 2016 20:36

prahaar wrote:NRaoji, even the check-out queues are being turned to self-service which reduces these jobs as well. I was in a pharmacy which uses hand written prescriptions to punch-in codes in a robot which picks up the required medicine. In future, when all prescriptions are electronic, pharmacist will become a substantially more specialized back-end job.

You won't be able to replace pharmacists with robots. You still need pharmacists to verify the prescriptions ordered by the doctors are not harmful to the patients. They represent a second check on prescriptions ordered by medical professionals. DEA is very clear on that.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Dec 2016 20:57

Maybe docs will be required to type rather than scrawl their prescriptions? In which case a robot can check for interactions much better than an hyooman can.

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 27 Dec 2016 21:01

OT
Voice to Text is already bordering on self awareness! Perhaps Siri will also dictate prescriptions given a bunch of symptoms and readings.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 28 Dec 2016 01:46

BO Signs Portman-Murphy Counter-Propaganda Bill into Law

The bipartisan Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act is organized around two main priorities to help achieve the goal of combatting the constantly evolving threat of foreign disinformation from our enemies:

The first priority is developing a whole-of-government strategy for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies. The bill would increase the authority, resources, and mandate of the Global Engagement Center to include state actors like Russia and China as well as non-state actors. The Center will be led by the State Department, but with the active senior level participation of the Department of Defense, USAID, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the Intelligence Community, and other relevant agencies. The Center will develop, integrate, and synchronize whole-of-government initiatives to expose and counter foreign disinformation operations by our enemies and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support U.S. allies and interests.

Second, the legislation seeks to leverage expertise from outside government to create more adaptive and responsive U.S. strategy options. The legislation establishes a fund to help train local journalists and provide grants and contracts to NGOs, civil society organizations, think tanks, private sector companies, media organizations, and other experts outside the U.S. government with experience in identifying and analyzing the latest trends in foreign government disinformation techniques. (Now no need to do behind the scenes) This fund will complement and support the Center’s role by integrating capabilities and expertise available outside the U.S. government into the strategy-making process. It will also empower a decentralized network of private sector experts and integrate their expertise into the strategy-making process.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 Dec 2016 02:04

UlanBatori wrote:Maybe docs will be required to type rather than scrawl their prescriptions? In which case a robot can check for interactions much better than an hyooman can.

That is already the situation in Nordics. The patient goes to the pharmacy and gives her ID card, which medicine in what dose, all details are electronically transferred when the doctor creates the prescription in the inter-networked prescription tool.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Dec 2016 02:46

And , perhaps outside defense dept stuff, some of these applications were written in India.

Which begs the question, what does India do to be proactive? All these newer techs actually reduce jobs. Certainly they require retraining at the very least and a support system in dire cases.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 28 Dec 2016 02:51

All are heading towards complete lifestyle change only. And globalization is on the last legs.

Question - Assuming India to have all top techs in future for securing our borders, can we survive and be successful as an internal economy? say very little import and export..

Would love to read on the topic as it applies to india. Any pointers much appreciated. If OT, please answer in relevant dhaga.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Dec 2016 02:59

Hitesh wrote:
prahaar wrote:NRaoji, even the check-out queues are being turned to self-service which reduces these jobs as well. I was in a pharmacy which uses hand written prescriptions to punch-in codes in a robot which picks up the required medicine. In future, when all prescriptions are electronic, pharmacist will become a substantially more specialized back-end job.
You won't be able to replace pharmacists with robots. You still need pharmacists to verify the prescriptions ordered by the doctors are not harmful to the patients. They represent a second check on prescriptions ordered by medical professionals. DEA is very clear on that.

In the US full time pharmacy technicians are being replaced by automated robotic systems to prevent the theft of expensive and narcotic drugs. What prahaar mentioned is becoming ubiquitous. There will be a human to oversee a prescription, but staffing in pharmacies will be down sized.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Dec 2016 03:07

I think "globalization" is a load of crap. Yes, it has its pros and cons, but it is not a panacea to all ills like it's been pimped by Amreeka. It's basically a way for Amreeka to get cheap labor and dump products on other countries. They most likely did not game it enough to see what might happen 10 years down the road.

It's a fad that had taken hold in the 00's and will die a natural death. The only more realistic way is when countries decide where and on what to be 'global' about. Others will feel they been taken for a ride.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Dec 2016 03:08

NRao,

I don't think automation alone accounts for the lack of job recovery since 2009. The US is in economic straight jacket regardless of who is elected. Most US treasuries are purchased within the US as a secure investment by institutional investors and businesses. When interest rates are near zero or zero for 72+ months, there is no growth of investments and the domestic US economy can't grow where real full time employment is generated. The flip side is that GOTUS can't have higher interest rates on treasuries because servicing the debt will eat all annual budgets. Should US treasuries yield go higher, the danger is that money from financial markets in developing countries will get pulled out and cause currencies like the Rupee to fall against the Dollar.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Dec 2016 03:23

NRao wrote:

At Philly airport the number of restaurant people have been reduced by a cool 90% - automation.

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where did you get this from?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Dec 2016 03:55

@Hitesh ^^^"You still need pharmacists to verify the prescriptions ordered by the doctors are not harmful to the patients."

But how do they do that? There is no centralized db where they can track what other drugs a prescription the patient is taking or what the health problems are. All I see is a wad of paper with dire warnings drafted by a lawyer that is stapled on to the paper bag.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Dec 2016 03:59

^^^"When customers enter Eatsa, they order their food at an iPad kiosk.

Then they wait in front of a wall of glass cubbies, where their food will be appear when it's ready.

Hidden behind the wall of cubbies, kitchen staff prepare the food."

http://www.businessinsider.com/eatsa-fu ... ain-2016-2

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Dec 2016 04:06

Mort Walker wrote:... The flip side is that GOTUS can't have higher interest rates on treasuries because servicing the debt will eat all annual budgets. Should US treasuries yield go higher, the danger is that money from financial markets in developing countries will get pulled out and cause currencies like the Rupee to fall against the Dollar.

There is another 'flip side': lack of yields is pinning pension funds to take risks they don't understand, under funding is causing taxes to rise and the life insurance companies have their back to the wall because investment income is not enough to cover payouts.

The Fed is beginning to realize these new systemic dangers. They need to and will focus to jack up rates to prevent a 2008x2.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Dec 2016 04:17

UlanBatori wrote:Maybe docs will be required to type rather than scrawl their prescriptions? In which case a robot can check for interactions much better than an hyooman can.

Elec prescriptions ARE typed and NOT written.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Dec 2016 04:20

The Golden Gate bridge has no toll takers. Either fast track or billing with a license plate photo snapped and billed by mail.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Dec 2016 04:27

At the airport you need check in staff only if you have check in baggage. But at many airports even that is automated. You print the baggage tags at the machine, stick them on and put them on the conveyor for most of domestic flights. The only reason for the staff now is to check your passport and visa for International flights.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 28 Dec 2016 05:16

Mort Walker wrote:
Hitesh wrote: You won't be able to replace pharmacists with robots. You still need pharmacists to verify the prescriptions ordered by the doctors are not harmful to the patients. They represent a second check on prescriptions ordered by medical professionals. DEA is very clear on that.
In the US full time pharmacy technicians are being replaced by automated robotic systems to prevent the theft of expensive and narcotic drugs. What prahaar mentioned is becoming ubiquitous. There will be a human to oversee a prescription, but staffing in pharmacies will be down sized.

He didn't say technician but pharmacist. Sure technicians could be reduced to robots but you still need pharmacists to give the final approval.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Dec 2016 10:23

Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Failed President Obama

The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure.

The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency.

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 28 Dec 2016 11:44

Lookie Lookie, whos here

F**K YOU. GO TO HELL’: Georgetown Prof Loses It On Muslim Trump Voter

A Georgetown University associate professor had a month-long meltdown after a Muslim woman explained why she voted for President-elect Donald Trump. Asra Q. Nomani, a former Georgetown journalism professor and Wall Street Journal reporter, wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post Nov. 10 explaining why she, as a Muslim woman and “long-time liberal,” voted for Trump. “I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change,” Nomani wrote. “But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare.”

Its our Chrsitine Fair btw incase folks didnt get who the Georgetown Univ Prof was. The article has more rants on the kind of language Fair has unloaded on the ex-Prof.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 28 Dec 2016 11:53

Fair has a short fuse.

komal · Post by **komal** » 28 Dec 2016 12:00

Austin wrote:Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Failed President Obama

The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure.

The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency.

Democrats also lost the Presidency for much of forty years for supporting civil rights and enabling the immigration bill that allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians and other non-whites to migrate to the USA.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 28 Dec 2016 14:01

komal wrote:
Austin wrote:Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Failed President Obama

The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure.

The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency.
Democrats also lost the Presidency for much of forty years for supporting civil rights and enabling the immigration bill that allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians and other non-whites to migrate to the USA.

Very true and the sacrifices that the Democrats made for the nation would be proven by history.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Dec 2016 14:06

Surya wrote:
NRao wrote: At Philly airport the number of restaurant people have been reduced by a cool 90% - automation.
where did you get this from?

Apology. False news (in honor of my President-elect)(or sitting President?).

Should have been at one restaurant.

that allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians and other non-whites

Until Jimmy Carter we were "White". A data point.

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Dec 2016 14:24

Skanda wrote:Lookie Lookie, whos here

F**K YOU. GO TO HELL’: Georgetown Prof Loses It On Muslim Trump Voter

A Georgetown University associate professor had a month-long meltdown after a Muslim woman explained why she voted for President-elect Donald Trump. Asra Q. Nomani, a former Georgetown journalism professor and Wall Street Journal reporter, wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post Nov. 10 explaining why she, as a Muslim woman and “long-time liberal,” voted for Trump. “I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change,” Nomani wrote. “But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare.”
Its our Chrsitine Fair btw incase folks didnt get who the Georgetown Univ Prof was. The article has more rants on the kind of language Fair has unloaded on the ex-Prof.

Looks like C Christine Fair has opted to put a Burka on her Twitter account after being called out for making her customary obnoxious comments

. Her Tweets are now “Protected”:

https://twitter.com/cchristinefair?lang=en

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Dec 2016 17:42

Hitesh wrote:Very true and the sacrifices that the Democrats made for the nation would be proven by history.

Reminds me of the slogans of "sacrifices" prominently displayed outside INC offices dotting the length and breadth of this country.

One example

Maa bete ka yeh balidaan, yaad rakhega Hindustan

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Dec 2016 19:32

From the New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ ... first-term

Shlapak said that in the spring of 2014, after Russia seized Crimea, “the question surfaced: What could Russia do to NATO, if it was inclined to?” To test the proposition, RAND organized a series of war games, sponsored by the Pentagon, involving military officers, strategists, and others, to examine what would happen if Russia attacked the three most vulnerable NATO nations—the Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia.

To his surprise, the simulated Russian forces reached the outskirts of the Estonian and Latvian capitals in as little as thirty-six hours. The larger shock was the depth of destruction. American forces, which would deploy from Germany, Italy, and elsewhere, are not heavily armored. “In twelve hours, more Americans die than in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined, in sixteen years,” Shlapak said. “In twelve hours, the U.S. Air Force loses more airplanes than it’s lost in every engagement since Vietnam, combined.” He went on, “In our base case, the Russians bring about four hundred and fifty tanks to the fight, and NATO brings none. So it turns into a fight of steel against flesh.” (Based on the games, RAND recommended that NATO assign three heavily armored brigades to the Baltic states.)

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Dec 2016 20:17

Nandan Nelikani states that global trade us nearly dead, manufacturing will not create jobs (because of over capacity in China), so India will have to depend on services sector that too within the nation.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7280&start=5760#p2094165

So, there you go.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Dec 2016 20:18

From the same New Yorker article:

If Trump followed through on tariffs, the effects could be larger still. Mark Zandi, a centrist economist who has advised Republicans and Democrats and is now the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, a research firm, forecasts that Trump’s trade plan could trigger a trade war that would put roughly four million Americans out of work, and cost the economy three million jobs that would have been created in Trump’s absence.

But Trump would not need to take any of those steps to have an abrupt effect on the economy. His belief in the power of the threat, which he has used in private business, takes on another meaning if he is the leader of a country with national-debt obligations. In May, Trump, whose businesses have declared bankruptcy four times, said, “I’ve borrowed knowing that you can pay back with discounts,” and “if the economy crashed you could make a deal.” The notion that he might try to make creditors accept less than full payment on U.S. government debt caused an outcry. Under criticism, he clarified, to the Wall Street Journal, that U.S. “bonds are absolutely sacred,” but the incident left an enduring impression on the financial community.

Anthony Karydakis, the chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak, an asset manager, told me that a Trump victory is now generally regarded as “a major destabilizing development for financial markets.” He went on, “If he ever even alludes to renegotiating the debt, we will have a downgrade of U.S. debt, and that event will cause a massive exodus of foreign investors from the U.S. Treasury market.” In 2011, when feuding in Congress delayed raising the debt limit, the stock market fell seventeen per cent. This would be a far larger event. “The rating agencies could not ignore the comment,” he said. “The cornerstone of the right to raise sovereign debt is the willingness and ability of the government to service it normally and fully.” He added, “The markets have no patience for stupidity or ignorance. They get scared.”

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 28 Dec 2016 21:06

why is it that there are constant warnings that if the US does something about the $366 billion dollar china trade deficit that it will destroy us?

I'll tell you why......its because the global elitists said so, that's why.

but TSJ is off his rocker because everybody knows the problem is automation not globalism?

really? China is that much better at automation than the US?"

i'm having "cognitive dissonance" at that idea. my BS detect o' meter is pinging like crazy at that assertion.

the bottom line is that US trade imbalance with Asia is political in its creation and execution and therefore its SOLUTION.

it was started as a cold war concept to make foreign governments be more "democratic" and morphed into a power elite tool for enrichment.

IT CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE IT HAS BEEN OR ELSE.

I support import-export corporate income tax "border adjustments".

it will never happen though because the globalists will get a WTO ruling against it. walmart will have a conniption fit because everything they sell is imported from china..

failing that, then a vat tax should be implemented where exports are not taxed. Now that, the WTO cannot stop.

komal · Post by **komal** » 28 Dec 2016 21:08

NRao wrote:
that allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians and other non-whites
Until Jimmy Carter we were "White". A data point.

Not true. Indians were first declared a minority for federal contracting rules in 1978.

komal · Post by **komal** » 28 Dec 2016 21:11

Kashi wrote:
Hitesh wrote:Very true and the sacrifices that the Democrats made for the nation would be proven by history.
Reminds me of the slogans of "sacrifices" prominently displayed outside INC offices dotting the length and breadth of this country.

One example

Maa bete ka yeh balidaan, yaad rakhega Hindustan

I don't speak Hindi so don't fully understand your quote. But only the GOP disputes the role the Democrats played in expanding civil and economic rights to African Americans. The Democratic vote bank was the racist vote bank and they could be milking it today. They chose not do so. And Indian immigration to the USA is one benefit.

If you believe that the modern day GOP would have passed the 1967 Immigration Act, you are mistaken.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Dec 2016 21:43

NRao wrote:
Apology. False news (in honor of my President-elect)(or sitting President?).

Should have been at one restaurant.
.

thanks - philly is as third world a city you can get in US - and unions are powerful so would be surprised if any automation was done here

plus I use it all the time and see no difference.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 28 Dec 2016 22:19

komal wrote:
If you believe that the modern day GOP would have passed the 1967 Immigration Act, you are mistaken.

Modern day Republicans actually want to make "America great again" by implementing the alt-right strategy of "peaceful ethnic cleansing" as advocated by the alt-right proponent Richard Spencer.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Dec 2016 22:34

komal wrote:
Austin wrote:Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Failed President Obama

The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure.

The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency.
Democrats also lost the Presidency for much of forty years for supporting civil rights and enabling the immigration bill that allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians and other non-whites to migrate to the USA.

Not true. From 1960-2016, the presidency has been divided evenly between both parties. In the same time period, the US congress has been mostly in the hands of the Democratic Party. No doubt many Republicans are racists, but it was under GWB that India-US relations began to really improve. Today's Democratic Party has become an anti-national party and have successfully been labeled as such. Governors in some 33 states are now Republican with a Republican controlled state assemblies. Things can change and until the Democratic Party drop their anti-national agenda, they will continue to lose.