Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jan 2017 18:05

^^^ So, therefore, all good news.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 18:08

Nisar takes notice of Indians’ arrival in Badin without clearance

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan has taken notice of arrival of six Indian nationals at Badin airbase without security clearance.According to information received by the minister from security institutions, the Indian nationals had come to Badin as an advance team of a dignitary from the United Arab Emirates coming to Pakistan for hunting.

(1) So, Indians ( not Pakistanis ) are employed by these Muslim Arab Sheikhs to do the nitty gritty in connection with the Houbara Hunt

(2) So, the sover-virginity of Pakistan is being violated ( by these Indian !) and the Pakis can't do a damn thing about it lest they annoy their "honoured guests" .

(3) Did the Arabs, as a courtesy matter informed the Paki hosts that their delegation may include citizens from their arch -enemy India !
(4) The invitation to hunt, came from no less a personage than the Prime Minister Of Pakistan, so Ch Nisar, can only "take notice", nothing else

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 05 Jan 2017 18:25

Falijee wrote:Blowback ( Continues) From UK Taxpayers' Handouts To Pakistan

Now we send extra £105 million foreign aid to Pakistan: Country is biggest recipient of handouts despite having its own space programme

Falijee :

Here is an Interesting and Breathtaking Article from around 09 June 2014 :

Corruption of over Rs3.8bn unearthed in BISP

Cwapistan thy other name is Corruption.

Cheers

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 05 Jan 2017 20:53

Falijee wrote:...
(1) So, Indians ( not Pakistanis ) are employed by these Muslim Arab Sheikhs to do the nitty gritty in connection with the Houbara Hunt
...

"Advance Party" in a place like Pakistan, as far as I can tell, sounds like Security Detail. So basically the sheiks have Indians on their payroll to manage Security. And these security folks are usually ex-faujis. No wonder Pakis are so pissed.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 05 Jan 2017 21:02

The Arabs cannot trust a Baki with his life, simple as that. If he starts saying "Arrah o snackbar", they don't know if its before shooting the bustard, or the b*stard is about to press the button on his soosai vest.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Jan 2017 21:11

Rishi Verma wrote:
Falijee wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1V1nifWEAAiFUH.jpg

Tarek Fateh's Talk On Baluchistan At The Calcutta Club Cancelled At The Urging Of The WB Govt !
This is very serious. Muslim lobby can decide who can or can't speak in Kolkata?

OT but this shows how in deep sh!t our WB is today.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 21:50

Peregrine wrote:
Falijee wrote:Blowback ( Continues) From UK Taxpayers' Handouts To Pakistan

Now we send extra £105 million foreign aid to Pakistan: Country is biggest recipient of handouts despite having its own space programme
Falijee :

Here is an Interesting and Breathtaking Article from around 09 June 2014 :

Corruption of over Rs3.8bn unearthed in BISP

Cwapistan thy other name is Corruption.

Cheers

PEREGRINE-JI:
Copy of the Dawn/Yawn article should be E mailed to the UK High Commissioner in Isoo, with a copy to Whitehall

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 22:05

Is the TTP making a comeback in Manghopir?

The Tehreek -e- Taliban -e- Pakistan (TTP) [unlike Tehreek E -Insaf ( Immy Party)] and the Balochistan Liberation Army ( BLA) are guerilla outfits ; they merge with other fishes in the ocean. They cannot be defeated by conventional means as the Amrikhans found out in Vietnam (Vietcong), unless the Paki Army is willing to "drain the swamp" - to borrow from DT- i.e. kill its own people (Pathans, Balochis ) to clean up the mess.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 22:16

West Bengal govt forces cancellation of Balochistan summit; Tarek Fatah asks if Mamata Banerjee is supporting Pakistan

New Delhi/Kolkata: The West Bengal government has allegedly forced a club in Kolkata to cancel an event about the restive Balochistan province.
The event called "The Saga of Balochistan, What the World Needs to Know" was scheduled to be held at the Calcutta Club on January 07.However, it now stands cancelled.According to Pakistan-born Canadian author Tarek Fatah, the club cancelled the event, in which he was to speak on Pakistan's atrocities in Balochistan, under the pressure of the Mamata Banerjee government.He further asked if the West Bengal Chief Minister was supporting Pakistan.quote]
Fatah posted a screenshot of an e-mail sent to him by the club. Apart from Fatah, Kashmir activist Sushil Pandit, Major General GD Bakshi and Baloch activist Brahamdagh Bugti were supposed to participate.The club said the event was called off in a bid 'to ensure cordial atmosphere'.In an e-mail sent on January 04 to the organisers, the club said it was not in a position to hold the event due to "unavoidable circumstances".
"The club submitted a letter day before yesterday (Tuesday) asking permission for the event but the very next day they informed the event has been cancelled. It is a decision of the club authority. They would be in a best position to say why the event got cancelled," Vineet Kumar Goyal, Additional Commissioner of Kolkata Police (I), said.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 22:38

Indian agents in Pakistani Air Base without security clearance

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Interior Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan ( and the defacto PM!) has taken a serious notice that prescribed rules and regulations are not being followed by the Sindh government regarding foreign guests coming to Pakistan for hunting.Interior Minister Ch. Nisar Ali Khan lashes out at Indian Interior Minister.In a statement, the Interior Ministry said it received information that six Indian nationals had landed at Badin Airbase without any advance security clearance and then they left for Thatta by road which is violation of rules.CPEC and Indian spying activities in Pakistan in diplomatic cover.The ministry sent a memorandum to all the provincial governments and Pakistani missions abroad to strictly follow the rules in this regard.

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- The Pakistanis have landed themselves into a Royal Mess ( no pun intended )
- The Visa Officer at the Paki Mission in UAE was obviously caught in a bind (refuse Visa to the Indian nationals (i.e. follow the rules), then he "annoys" the UAE Royals for their annual hunt and this could have "national consequences " for Pakistan i.e. no loans, no grants, no work visas for Pakistan . In the absence of no clear guidelines, the "poor guy" grants the visa and he lands into trouble with the defacto PM ( Ch. Nisar) who can only "take notice" as the invitation to the Royals , for the hunt, came from no less a person than the PM Sahib of Pakistan - Ganja Sharif ; someone at the UAE embassy ( and as per the farticle, someone from Sind Govt ) will obviously become the scapegoat and will be transferred/ demoted to a low position in Isloo and Karachi !
- If WWF ( World Wildlife Federation ) rules had been followed ( and Immy's suggestion had been implemented) , not to grant permission to hunt these endangered birds, Pakistan's sover-virginity would not have been violated by these "Indian Agents"
- But then the UAE Royals, would have been "royally annoyed"

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Jan 2017 22:56

PM Nawaz Sharif grills India over Kashmir issue

ISLAMABAD: (APP) Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif on Thursday said Kashmir cannot remain on the boil forever

Grill, boil- This Paki PM is obviously obsessed with food ! No wonder that he has a health/heart problem !

UK to raise Kashmir issue at international level UK to become the "new sugar daddy" of Pakistan ! See below

UK PM Theresa May backs aid to Pakistani families

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jan 2017 23:57

Falijee wrote:PM Nawaz Sharif grills India over Kashmir issue

Yes, about this farcical exercise in futility by the pakis. Seems to be an annual affair to cry and wail on each other's shoulders and pine for acchey days. But, it is also a humorous one as well. Take for example these utterances by ganja shareef and masood khan:

He termed Kashmir “an integral part of Pakistan’s identity” and said “our hearts beat in sync with Kashmiri brethren and we rejoice in their happiness and gloom”.

The Prime Minister said Pakistan desired peaceful relations with all (sic) neighbours.

Sardar Masood Khan also condemned the latest Indian move to grant non Kashmiris Hindus nativity status

Good timing, with Christmas and all. By the way, "yUK and European parliamentarians" also attended this seminar for chai biskoot and bon homie.

The AJK President also thanked members of UK and European parliaments including Lord Qurban Hussain, Lord Nazir Ahmed, MEP Muhammad Afzal Khan, MP Amjad Bashir and Yasmeen Dar for attending the seminar.

Take the source of the news with a pinch of salt:
https://timesofislamabad.com/pm-nawaz-s ... 017/01/05/
http://www.dailyparliamenttimes.com/ajk ... solutions/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 01:49

So this was not an European parliamentary *delegation* but some European parliamentarians in individual capacity. What a farce!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2017 04:33

LokeshC wrote:The Arabs cannot trust a Baki with his life, simple as that. If he starts saying "Arrah o snackbar", they don't know if its before shooting the bustard, or the b*stard is about to press the button on his soosai vest.

I was about post this noose on paki nature. Not only this, Gulf Royal money matters too are handled/ influenced by Indians. Paki are not allowed in their Kitchens either.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jan 2017 04:47

Take this with a Long Ton of Salt!

Most Pakistanis in favour of dialogue with India, reveals survey

Almost two-third Pakistanis believe talks with India will significantly decrease tensions between the two South Asian neighbours, a Gallup Pakistan survey has revealed.

The Gilani Research Foundation Survey questioned participants countrywide if they were in favour or against the talks between the two nuclear-armed arch rivals to decrease the growing tension and establish peace in Kashmir.

“In response, 68% people favoured a dialogue between the two countries; 31% opposed the idea and 1% chose not to respond,” the organisation said.

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Gilani Research Foundation is a not-for-profit public service project to provide social science research to students, academia, policymakers and citizens concerned in Pakistan and across the globe.

Relations between Islamabad and New Delhi have plummeted since a deadly attack on a military base in Indian-occupied-Kashmir in September 2016, which India blamed on Pakistan-based militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed. There have since been repeated outbreaks of cross-border firing, with both sides reporting deaths and injuries.

Kashmir has been divided between the two south Asian neighbours since the end of British colonial rule in 1947. Both claim the Himalayan territory in full and have fought two wars over the mountainous region.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2017 05:15

^^^ Run by Groper?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Jan 2017 07:04

Raheel Lured By Saudi Cash To Fight Dirty War In Yemen

All The King’s Men ( no horses ?)

Dr Hamid Hussain

POSTED IN FULL.

General Raheel Sharif in Saudi Arabia

We don’t do operations. We don’t know how. All we know how to do is write checks”. (A.K.A Money Diplomacy ) Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Turki al-Feisal to Mark Anderson, CIA Directorate of Operations, Near East Division (1)

Pakistani Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif retired on 29 November 2016 handing over command to General Qamar Javed Bajwa. Four weeks later, Saudi Arabia sent a special plane to Lahore to bring Raheel for a meeting in Saudi Arabia. Even before his retirement, rumors have been circulating that he will be given some role in ongoing conflict in Yemen. Saudi Arabia has cobbled together a thirty nine Muslim (all Sunni) nation coalition. This is mainly a paper organization with majority of member nations not even sleeping partners. All major military operations are conducted by Saudi Forces with sprinkling from Emirati and Egyptian forces.

. Paki newspapers give the impression that the so-called coalition is to fight Daesh/ISIS

In summary, Yemen crisis emerged when in a fracturing state, Shia backed Houthi rebels took control of large swaths of the territory and finally overran the capital. This was a disastrous move by a Zaidi Shia minority in a country divided along several lines. This coincided with the death of Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz and installation of a new King and re-alignments within the Saudi royal family (inner competition and rivalries among Royal family members is a whole different arena and I have done some work a while ago on the subject). Saudi Arabia was already involved in Syria where majority Sunni rebel forces of all colors are fighting the minority Shia Alawi regime of President Bashar Asad. In Yemen, a change of power dynamics on their doorsteps with Shia rebel forces getting an upper hand rattled new Saudi regime. King Salman bin Abdul Aziz’s favorite son, Deputy Crown Prince and Defence Minister Muhammad bin Salman was the architect of the new aggressive posture and fully supported by Crown Prince and Interior Minister Muhammad bin Nayaf. This resulted in an aggressive air campaign that devastated large swaths of urban centers. Criticism from mounting civilian casualties and no end in sight resulted in second thoughts. Operations were dialed down and Muhammad bin Salman made the right decision of quickly getting out of the limelight.

In my view, in the absence of direct channels of communications, Tehran and Riyadh usually overreact to each other’s moves. This was one such case where Saudis over-reacted and embarked on a dangerous escalation (Naval blockade, air campaign and ground offensives mainly by Saudi and Emirati forces is a separate story). Now, Saudi Arabia has two choices in Yemen. The less risky approach is to accept a de facto partition of the country resulting in support of Yemeni partisans and less direct involvement of Saudi forces. The high risk approach is to double down and try to push opposition through direct military means that entails increased involvement of Saudi forces. Saudis are mulling over their options and have not yet made the final decision. In my view, for a variety of internal, regional and international factors, Saudis will likely go for former option and conflict will be a protracted one. On top of that falling oil prices, defeat of their ally (ISIS ) in Syria and the defeat of their candidate in the US election (Hilary) has further complicated the situation !

Now the equation of multiple conflicts in Middle East is squarely along sectarian lines. Saudi Arabia and Iran are fully engaged in an all out proxy war spanning over a number of countries (the sectarian poison now reaching to the very souls of some communities is another little noticed dirty secret). Both countries are equally responsible for a dangerous course without realizing extreme vulnerability of their own societies. Iran and Saudi Arabia are presiding over fairly oppressive regimes in their own countries. On both sides, it started from deep suspicion followed by deep mistrust and now leading to outright hatred. In this environment, genuine security interests get distorted at cognitive level resulting in flawed decision making. One of the major factors in Saudi decision making process was the fear that if Shia Houthi rebels are able to consolidate, then Iran will deploy long range missiles on Yemeni soil. This will give Iran a foothold on Arabian Peninsula for the first time and able to directly target major Saudi cities. This is just one example of the real dilemma for Tehran and Riyadh. Now both regimes are presenting themselves as guardians of their respective sects and bulwark against the encroaching ‘other’ to resist any change at home.

In such a complex and potentially volatile situation what are the re-percussions of appointment of a former Pakistan army chief in any capacity on Saudi soil with a lucrative benefit package underwritten by Saudi government? General Raheel Sharif is the only Pakistani army chief who left office with very high approval ratings. There is genuine respect and admiration for his conduct among all segments of the society. In army, he is respected for giving the final go ahead for North Waziristan operation and civilians give him the credit of taking back the initiative from terrorists. Targeting criminal elements of political Mafiosi in the port city of Karachi was also lauded by general public. If he decides to join the Saudi led coalition efforts many questions will be raised including taking a second look at his decisions while he was in office. On the other hand, if he decides to join the Saudi led coalition, "someone" may confer on him the coveted title of Field Marshall [/quote]
- Serving and retired Pakistani army officers work in United Nations framework in different conflict zones. It is a well recognized and properly regulated role under the auspices of army’s General Head Quarters (GHQ). Anything outside this framework is an unchartered territory. There is also history of serving Pakistani officers working in Saudi Arabia in the framework of bilateral agreements and process was directly controlled by GHQ. When Raheel was army chief, it was the collective decision of army and civilian government that Pakistan will not join Saudi led coalition. This was in line with general public opinion where all major political parties and independent media strongly advocated for staying away from the fires of Middle East. In my view this almost general consensus of the society was the main factor that forced government to stay neutral despite very close personal and family relations of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif with Saudi royal family. Saudis were furious but later calmed down. If he joins now then he will be working directly against the stated policy of his own country and army that was taken under his own command. He has to explain what has changed now that he wants to be part of Saudi coalition. I don't see any "lucrative" employment opportunities in Pakistan , therefore he should go in for the Saudi cash and forget about the consequences !
The question will be raised about the motivation. We all know that Raheel is not of religious bent and has no sectarian bias. The only reason will be a very lucrative package offered by Saudi Arabia. This will be linked with his decision not to push for his own extension as COAS (although many still believe that he tried to get one). It will be fair to ask that rather than retiring on a grade 22 pension, he wants an executive package even if offered by foreigners. Debt ridden poor Pakistani nation pays a very lucrative severance package to its army chief including prime residential, commercial and agricultural lands that is suffice to support him in his retirement and his next one or two generations. It is more than adequate compensation for their services especially when it is compared with the benefit package offered to the army chiefs of neighboring India and Bangladesh.
The next question will be did he enter in this discussion about his future role with Saudi government while he was COAS and if yes did he inform his government?

- What can be his role? He will be hired and paid by Saudi Arabia and not any neutral entity or a party that has no direct conflict of interest with the outcome. His role will be essentially promoting and implementing official Saudi policy. This leads to next question of whether he will be involved on military or diplomatic front or both. Let’s dissect that. If he will be involved on military front, obviously he will not be wearing Saudi army uniform. His role could only be that of a military advisor. What qualifications he has to fulfill this military advisor role? He is an infantry officer who saw his force take back large swath of territory captured by militants in a totally different strategic and operational environment. Success was due to combination of factors including a re-organized and re-trained army led by highly motivated junior and mid-level officers, highly professional input from senior commanders and planning by an excellent General Staff branch led by one of the most respected officer. Raheel deserves the credit for some of his bold decisions. Pakistani experience has no semblance with events on ground in Yemen. He is not known for his intellectual brilliance where a scholar soldier can think beyond his own horizons and can give strategic insight in a different conflict. Military operations are conducted by Saudi forces with their own chain of command. They are not bound to follow recommendations of a non-Saudi advisor. There is very high likelihood of friction between a foreign advisor and host government as well as local military commanders. In such cases, advisor gets frustrated as no one is listening to his advice. On the other hand, if anything goes wrong i.e. large scale civilian casualties, the advisor will share the blame even if no one is heeding to his advice. If it does not hurt his ego that the Saudis are just going to "use his famous name " and will not listen to his advice, then he should just close his eyes and only think about the cash that will be coming in !
If he is assigned a role on diplomatic front what can he offer? He is a retired general with no special skills for any diplomatic task. As he will be employee of Saudi government, therefore he can only project his employer’s national interest and not as a mediator. If he is tasked by United Nations or Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) then he can have some credibility to act as a mediator. In any case, we must remember that Pakistan army chiefs make on the list of influential persons of Time magazine only because they hold the baton. Once you hand over the baton, you have no regional or international role. My suggestion is that after hanging boots, Pakistani generals should focus on improving their golf game rather than venturing into unknown territories. This Pakistani author does not seem to have a very high opinion of Pakistani COAS
- It is no secret that Pakistani civilians have been fighting on the killing fields of Iraq and Syria on both sides of the conflict. Iran and Saudi Arabia have recruited Pakistani youths to be sacrificed on the altar of sectarianism. As no serious research has been done therefore we don’t know the numbers. Even if numbers are small it adds fuel to the sectarian fire inside Pakistan. A former Pakistan army chief joining one party no matter in what capacity will invariably arouse anger among other partisans. If this door is opened, then will Pakistan also accept the notion that a Shia Lieutenant General who retires as Corps Commander and four weeks later hired by Iranian government as its defense advisor in Syria. Food for thought.From the name, it appears that the Pakistani author is a shia and therefore he does not look kindly to a Sunni Ex COAS, serving as a "servant of the Saudis"
How Pakistan army brass will see Raheel’s appointment? It is stated policy of Pakistan and collective decision of Pakistan army that Pakistan should stay away from the Yemen conflict. This means that he will have no support from Pakistan and his role will be essentially as an employee of Saudi Arabia. My own feeling is that Raheel’s visit was planned early but was delayed so that new army chief can have some input about the issue. It is a known fact that Bajwa was not Raheel’s choice just as Raheel was not Kayani’s choice. Bajwa brought in his own team quickly. Bajwa was busy taking control of his institution and bringing his own team therefore Raheel issue was down the list. Bajwa visited Saudi Arabia and although we don’t know what transpired between him and Saudi royal family but one can assume that Raheel’s role came up for discussion. If Bajwa has vetoed this proposal for a variety of reasons then Saudis will re-think. They will listen to a Pakistani army chief with baton rather than the one without it. In this case, Saudis may modify their proposal and offer Raheel such a deal that he cannot accept it and everything fades away. The other possibility is that they give him a consolation prize with an office, chauffer driven car and even a Gulfstream jet to fly around for one or two years but no real role in the game. That will not be a good position for Raheel to get into. One the other hand, after listening to the Saudi position and expectations, Raheel may himself decide that it is not good for him or his country and walks away. This will be the best case scenario. At the present, Raheel is "mulling" over his options ; the Saudis however "want" him badly ( private plane to La-Whore, private audience with King, Umra wish etc etc )
- In recent past, there has been lot of resentment among junior army officers where senior army officers immediately after hanging the boots take a flight abroad and stay for extended period of time in some cases courtesy of foreign rulers. It is fair to ask the question that in what capacity they are working especially after serving at very high and sensitive positions where they are privy to state secrets? This matter is more serious than the so called Memo Gate scandal when an ambassador was dragged on coals for his alleged indiscretions. The author is insinuating that Raheel cannot be "trusted" to keep Paki Fauj secrets !
Pakistan needs friendly relations with Saudi Arabia in view of economic and other interests. In view of trouble on both eastern and western borders, Pakistan also needs a working relationship with Iran. It is not in Pakistan’s interest to have troubled relations with either Saudi Arabia or Iran. Pakistan has to walk on a delicate line so that they are not entangled in Saudi Arabia-Iran rivalry as it is not good for Pakistan’s health. The ‘bang’ part of Saudi led operations is completed and now it has entered in a stalemate and ‘dirty’ phase. Any involvement of a senior retired army officer from a foreign country at this stage will only soil his own clothes. In summary, if Raheel accepts Saudi offer, the only benefit is a generous personal financial package with no meaningful contribution towards Yemen crisis and a lot of uncomfortable questions rising about him as well as complications for Pakistan and its army. He retired on a very high note and he will be remembered by history how he faded away and not by balance in his bank account. Before rejecting this Saudi offer, Raheel should consult his extended family ; if he is willing to maintain a low profile and make do with whatever "ill-gotten" gains that he has accumulated, during his tenure as COAS, he should reject the offer; if he is willing to "swallow his ego" for the sake of Saudi cash, then he should accept the offer

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2017 07:13

Falijee Please x-post in the West Asia Yemen thread.....

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2017 09:28

Iran must be very 'Happy" with Raheel joining Saudi King's Harem Eunuch Team. How can Paki balance Saudi while working for their enemies in Syrian conflict and VV?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Jan 2017 13:08

Paki Ex Fauji ( Major A.H. Amin ) Debunks Martial Race Theory

Martial Races Theory. Myths and Consequences
Martial races theory and its consequences; myths and misconceptions of Indo-pak history
Major Agha H Amin (retired)

The sepoy war of 1857 gave birth to a new theory in India. A theory was floated in the late nineteenth century that the races living in the north west part of India i.e. present northern regions of Pakistan and parts of Indian Punjab were the “Martial Races of India”! This theory was partly based on “Punjab and Frontier” loyalty factor of 1857. Its most serious proponent was Lord Roberts, the British C-in-C in India (563).

When I joined the army in 1981 I observed that many of the officers and soldiers serving in Pakistan Army were convinced that the races or castes living in the area between Chenab and Indus Rivers were especially "martial". Some Pathans originating from the NWFP were also regarded as junior partners of these martial races! Most of the invasions of India took place originating from areas north of Khyber Pass or west of Quetta i.e. Persia etc. Then the Mughals after 1526 recruited from Hindu Rajputs, Muslim Pathans, Muslim Rajputs, some Muslim Punjabis and Muslim Baloch, but the preference was given to trans-Indus races, mostly Pathans or Persian speaking, or to Hindu Rajputs. The EEIC since it made its entry from the east had no choice but to recruit from Oudh, parts of Bihar, North West Provinces Madras Bombay Central India etc. In the earlier part of this work we have seen that using a predominantly Hindu army recruited from the Gangetic plain and led by British officers, the pre-1857 Bengal Army defeated all races of India, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan etc. The Bombay Army of Hindu Mahrattas quickly made Persia behave! A couple of Bengal Army Regiments reinforced by an odd European regiment successfully defended Kandahar and Jallalabad against vastly superior forces. The rebellion of 1857 changed British perceptions about Indian people and keeping in view the political reliability as well as the administrative convenience factor the British decided to recruit mostly from the north west i.e. Punjab and Frontier provinces of India plus the Gurkhas from Nepal. This change started from 1857 but became significant only around 1895. But reliability was not the only factor, because the Madras and Bombay Armies had also stayed loyal. Still, based on personal bias felt by Lord Roberts and under his influence by some other British senior officers, the recruitment policy was changed.

This myth was largely disproved in 1965 when despite having more sophisticated equipment, numerical preponderance in tanks and the element of surprise the Pakistan Armoured Division miserably failed at Khem Karn merely due to poor and irresolute leadership at the brigade and divisional level to a complete extent and even regimental level to a partial extent. Meanwhile the army employment in Baluchistan in 1950s made the Baluch think that little if any had changed since 1947. The officer from Potohar with limited grey matter perceived the Muslim Baloch as a foreigner as much as the British pre-1947 officer had thought. This was not the fault of the Punjabis as such, but the result of a British policy introduced during the period Usurping of power while leading the largely Punjabi based army by Ayub Khan increased the East-West divide. Things in Pakistani politics were then judged on ethnic lines. The on ground realities were different. Ayub was not a Punjabi but later in 1971 the Bengali Muslims blamed the Punjabis for all their maladies! In reality the Punjabis being leaderless were manipulated by both Ayub and Yahya! Bhutto who played a major role in persuading Yahya to launch the military action was a Sindhi!

The disease started in 1857 when the British reaped the harvest of the policy of divide and rule when they employed the Gurkha against Indian, and within India the Punjabi (whether Sikh or Muslim) against the Hindustani

Once Pakistan was created in 1947 an endeavour at the official level was made to advance and prove a theory that Hindus and Muslims were two nations ever since the first Muslim conqueror landed in India in 711 A.D. I feel that the creation of Pakistan as an independent Muslim state in 1947 was the result of a conscious realisation among the Muslims of Indo-Pak sub-continent mostly in the post-1937 period about the necessity for an independent Muslim state in India. (plus in the post world war 2 era, DJinnah agreed to serve as a convenient condom for the west, and therefore was "given" his moth-eaten Pakistan by the Brits )

The Britishers are very intelligent and brave people but their approach towards other nations is highly cynical and Machiavellian.

A dispassionate analysis of Punjab history convincingly proves that the most redeeming and reassuring part of Punjab history was the Sikh Guerrilla war against the Mughals and Afghans and the subsequent establishment of Punjab as a strong state by Ranjit Singh.

Dangerous and highly erroneous conclusions have been drawn from the British Indian military history in Indo-Pak in general and Pakistan in particular! The latter was witnessed in the writers personal insignificant capacity! The Pakistan Army is the best army in the world! In the two world wars the Indian Army consisting of mostly Muslim Punjabi troops from Jhelum and Chakwal saved the British Empire! The ISI is the best intelligence agency in the world! The fact that it failed to discover location of the Indian Armoured Division in 1965 and the fact that Indians came 35 miles inside our territory in 1984 without the intelligence finding it out and which they still occupy today are perhaps regarded as feathers in the cap of the intelligence bosses! The fact that Afghanistan has landed into the biggest chaos in its history due to our pedantic intelligence agency is an event which posterity shall remember with reverence and respect! Ethnic nationalities who demand constitutional
rights are Indian agents! Human rights activists are Jewish agents! Anyone who questions the ruling Junta or the army or its quixotic intelligence agencies is a “terrorist”! The patriots are only in certain Martial Doabs and nowhere else! In the favoured Doabs also only obscurantists believing in certain medieval theories are in favour. The rest is fiction, a RAW agent or a Zionist agent etc. etc.

This "retired" Ex Fauji is now a "consultant" employed by the Amreekhans; he is based in Massaland and because of his native knowledge and contacts - makes occasional forays in Afghanistan and reports back to the Americans !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Jan 2017 13:14

As per suggestions, post transferred to BALUCHISTAN thread

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 06 Jan 2017 13:42

Falijee wrote:Paki Ex Fauji ( Major A.H. Amin ) Debunks Martial Race Theory

This "retired" Ex Fauji is now a "consultant" employed by the Amreekhans; he is based in Massaland and because of his native knowledge and contacts - makes occasional forays in Afghanistan and reports back to the Americans ![/color]

It's amazing how much clarity in thought process is induced when a green card is in the field of vision. There are dozens of these ex-Paki strongmen in US burning the bridge that got them there, after having spent a lifetime on the devil's mission. With their kids settled in Amrika, better sense has suddenly dawned on them. Note, they all write in English because their audience is the Amrikans and assorted Wagah types rather than anyone back home.

amit · Post by **amit** » 06 Jan 2017 13:42

Falijee wrote:Maj-Gen Bakshi Criticizes W.B. Govt For Stiffling Discussion On Balochistan

Boss can I suggest you crosspost this in the Politics thread? It will get lost here.

Thanks

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 13:46

^
Even when the discussion was on Baluchistan, the politics that generated this post is internal to India. It should never have been posted here.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 13:53

Another thing I have noticed on this thread is that for every thing that happens in Bakiland we immediately put up a comparison with India. On some subjects that is OK but on majority of the subjects that is unwarranted, IMHO.

By comparing Bakiland to India on ALL things we are in effect endorsing Bakiland == India that the Bakis keep pushing. Do we compare Bangladesh, Nepal, Butan or Sri Lanka statistics with India's?

/ Enough of the rant

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2017 14:12

I agree with ^. We neither need comparisons nor do we need to post insignificant things happening in Pakistan. They bring down the seriousness of discussion.

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 06 Jan 2017 15:15

Falijee wrote:Maj-Gen Bakshi Criticizes W.B. Govt For Stiffling Discussion On Balochistan

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Maj. Gen. G. D. Bakshi asks in the letter "is J&K not an integral part of india". First he should have asked "isn't Kolkata an integral part of India"... With Mamata and Kejri getting so licentious in public... Their offspring will surely look -and behave like Laltopi.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jan 2017 15:35

Fully Posted on the IWT Thread

World Bank to set up Court of Arbitration, neutral expert

NEW DELHI: India asked the World Bank not to rush into broker a deal on its dispute with Pakistan over Kishenganga and Ratle projects, asserting that the differences can be resolved bilaterally or through a neutral expert.

Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2017 16:19

Peregrine wrote:Fully Posted on the IWT Thread

World Bank to set up Court of Arbitration, neutral expert

The Paki newspaper headline gives an impression that the WB has 'taken' a decision. That is not true, The WB representative is here still exploring options. The decision to setup both a CoA & NE was an old one, to which India objected strongly as a result of which the WB paused it.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 16:34

Under the treaty both process cannot be run in parallel. The Bakis will have to back off the CoA stuff or the treaty will be on *pause* even without a WB pause. All India has to do is keep insisting in NA and not back off.

The Bakis tried to pull a fast one on India by directly asking for CoA, their preferred mechanism. World bank has no discretionary power in picking a process.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 16:54

Here is a bit to chew ... why Bakis may wish to bypass a Neutral Expert ... if they think that a competent NE will rule in India's favor on technical matters and a determination once made, on a technical issue, cannot be over turned at a later stage by a CoA.

http://mea.gov.in/bilateral-documents.h ... 6439/Indus [Indus Waters Treaty - September 19, 1960]

ANNEXURE F-NEUTRAL EXPERT (Article IX (2))

Point 11 > The decision of the Neutral Expert on all matters within his competence shall be final and binding, in respect of the particular matter on which the decision is made, upon the Parties and ~upon any Court of Arbitration established under the provisions of Article IX (5).

A lay man's reading > Any decision that is made by a *competent NE*, especially on technical matters like Dam design/Spillover design/Gate design/Flushing mechanism is binding not only on the Bakis BUT also on the CoA. Hows that!

It is logical if you think why bakis would rather go to a panel mostly consisting of lawyers than a technical expert. With a bunch of lawyers you can bring extraneous arguments, cite international *norms*, etc and insert the latest worldwide concerns like global warming to argue for an expansion of the treaty terms meant for the protection of the lower riparian.

A Neutral expert has much less leeway when dealing with a technical question.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Jan 2017 18:40

Chinese Nuclear Submarine At Karachi Could Have Spied On India's Warships

New Delhi:
Hours after NDTV reported that a Chinese nuclear submarine had been placed, through a satellite image, at Karachi last year, top sources in the Indian navy said that the submarine is from the most advanced and latest class built by China.The Type 093 Shang submarine, docked at the Karachi harbor, is likely being used to scrutinize the movements of Indian warships far more closely than ever before at a time when China is competing with India for domination of the Indian Ocean.

Over the last decade, Pakistan has strengthened its naval links with China, its biggest international partner. In August last year, Pakistan State Radio announced a deal to acquire eight Chinese conventional diesel-electric powered submarines. The first four submarines are expected to be delivered by the end of 2023, while the others will be assembled in Karachi by 2028. Perhaps most significantly, China has access to Pakistan's strategic Gwadar port, central to the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) that is under development, in addition to its own recently constructed naval base in Djibouti situation in the Horn of Africa.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Jan 2017 18:47

Iran Uses Pakistani Man In Germany To Spy On Israel !
Pakistani man indicted for spying on German-Israeli group for Iran

BERLIN — German prosecutors have indicted a Pakistani man accused of spying on a group that promotes German-Israeli relations for an Iranian intelligence agency.

Federal prosecutors said Monday that the 31-year-old, identified only as Syed Mustufa H. due to German privacy rules, was in contact with the unnamed spy agency since 2011.In a statement, prosecutors said the man began spying on the former head of the German-Israeli Society, and handed over information to Iran in October.He is alleged to have received money in return for passing on information obtained about the society

The suspect faces up to five years imprisonment if convicted of espionage.

Pakis for sale to the highest bidder

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jan 2017 19:14

X Posted on the Baluchistan : The Story of another Pakistani Military Genocide Thread

Falijee wrote:Paki Ex Fauji ( Major A.H. Amin ) Debunks Martial Race Theory

This "retired" Ex Fauji is now a "consultant" employed by the Amreekhans; he is based in Massaland and because of his native knowledge and contacts - makes occasional forays in Afghanistan and reports back to the Americans !

It's amazing how much clarity in thought process is induced when a green card is in the field of vision. There are dozens of these ex-Paki strongmen in US burning the bridge that got them there, after having spent a lifetime on the devil's mission. With their kids settled in Amrika, better sense has suddenly dawned on them. Note, they all write in English because their audience is the Amrikans and assorted Wagah types rather than anyone back home.[/quote]

Here is an old Article by Major A. H. Amin (Retd) of 01-06-2013 - Old but quite pertinent with a "Warning" :

Pakistani Generals are Phd in Destroying Pakistan

The last territorial addition to Pakistan was Gwadar under Feroz Khan Noon in 1958 and Chamb under ZAB at Simla Accord. The last loss that Pakistan suffered was Siachen under the usurper Zia in 1983-84 and the next losses that Pakistan suffers will be in its western areas in 2013-18. There is no bad luck or good luck in history but consequences and what Pakistan will suffer would be foolish consequences of Pakistan´s generals .

The separation of East Pakistan can be directly linked to extreme discrimination in Ayub military junta era. The causes for insurgency in Balochistan and FATA are irrevocably linked to military faux pas starting from 1958.

A recent visit to Quetta was an eye opener.

It is a mystery why Balochistan has a Khattak corps commander and a Khattak IG FC . A more deadly combination could not be imagined.

I saw Major Alam Khattak as a bachelor major in 14 FF in 1985-88 . 14 FF was our brigade unit and Alam Khattak was not outstanding. Obaidullah Khattak was my company mate in the PMA and was an average cadet .

I asked an IB officer,” what is the role of IB ? ” “Sir it is to make one tribe fight another” , he replied.

Till the 1980s the Baloch regarded the Pashtuns as their elder brothers. However, since the 1990s, Pakistans estabishment has admirably succeeded in dividing Baloch and Pashtuns. Just like Zia divided Sindh in 1983 by creating MQM after people protested in Dadu with their tools erect and donkeys all around when Zia visited Dadu in 1983.

However Balochistans Baloch are condemned to suffer since 2010-11.

FC checkposts are set up in Baloch areas by design and no Baloch worth his salt would like to travel from Sariab Road to Jinnah Road the main market area. This is because he would be searched in a most degrading manner in front of his wife and children , if he is not a Pashtun ?

Crude FC sepoys from Karak and Kohat etc would talk to him as if the Baloch is a stray dog. His car´s papers would be checked by this crude FC soldier because a Punjabi chief justice who became a judge because of Balochistan domiscile does not like the fact that a Baloch can drive a car or jeep !

You drive from Quetta to Duki , a Pashtun area, and FC will not stop you but you drive from Duk to Kolhu and Maiwand , Baloch areas , every vehicle would be stopped and every Baloch passenger degraded like a pariah dog .

It is a guiness book mystery that in three Baloch majority constiuencies in south Quetta two Pashtuns and one Hazara candidate have won. I was in Quetta on election day and can understand how this happened.

FC huns deployed on election duty cracked Baloch skulls with rifle butts and looked the other way when Pashtun voters jumped over walls of polling stations in PB 3, 4 and 5. FC managed to turn Baloch in three constituencies into a minority. Petitions have been filed but have no chance with Punjabi and Pashtun judges.

The worst case was Kolhu Dera Bugti where the winning candidate Naseebullah Marri, Son of Nur Marri lost against Changez Marri. Mysteriously Tadhri had 1000 votes polled where a man who has visited Tadhri knows that this is impossible.

Kahan which is a no go area where you cannot even find a dog had 1400 votes. The idea possibly is to have a PML N candidate who can hijack the Baloch nationalists.

Heavy rigging was carried out all over Balochistan to bring Pashtun nationalists who are apology of nationalists and mild Makrani politicians who can be manipulated by the establishment. The Sher Jawans of FC, who take great pride in harassing Baloch on Sariab road, disappear after 2300 hours at night and Quetta is a terrorists paradise. No citizen dares to leave his house in Baloch areas after 1800 hours.The road from Quetta to Karachi is like a graveyard.

The million dollar question is that if Punjabis are being inducted in FC Balochistan why not Hazaras ? If the Pakistani state can give employment to Baloch youth it can save more money than what it spends on FC to police Balcochistan ! But it appears that it may be too late now !

If we go back in history Mr Jinnah had two Bengali battlions raised but Ayub Khan who despised the Bengalis and when Yahya Khan took over in 1969 there were just three Bengali battalions ? Yahya raised more Bengali units after 1969 but it was in vain since all rebelled or were near disbanded if in west Pakistan in 1971.

One credit which Baloch give to general Musharraf is that no one was killed although many were picked but released after an year or two . In the Zardari Kiani era maximum Baloch were killed and dumped on roads.

I asked an ISI civilian operative to sum up the situation in December 2011 and he said: “Sir we have killed Baloch in large numbers but have failed to kill the idea of independence from their hearts ! “

Quetta's Baloch part is like Warsaw in 1942, and Quetta's non Baloch part is like peaceful Berlin in 1940 ! The FC behaves like Kaminski and Dirlewanger Brigades ?

I asked a Baloch mir whether sir Zardari is a Baloch. He replied , that ” disgrace is a juttt , a camel bearer and not Baloch.”

The scene is set for diasaster and Balochistan will be a test case !

In the end Pakistany analysts would say it was a US or India conspiracy but for a man who understands, it was a Pakistani conspiracy. The Pakistani establishment regards Baloch as sub-humans just like SS commanders in the Ukraine in 1942. All they need is Balochistan´s oil and gas and it´s people are expendable. This Policy may not work.

Cheers

Naidu · Post by **Naidu** » 06 Jan 2017 20:40

UK's Prime Minister Theresa May defended the scheme it supports in Pakistan - the Benazir Income Support Programme - saying it helps the poorest families there, Belfast Telegraph. But a Daily Mail investigation found Pakistani families withdrawing money with cashpoint cards they obtained by actually paying kickbacks to officials.

This BENIS Programme is quite a scheme to drain the UQ exchequer. UQ's mandarin's haven't learnt their lessons.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2017 20:45

Who knows but that some in the UQ side may be getting a cut too from the Baki cut.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Jan 2017 22:02

It seems that Raw@heel Sharif and other retired paki officers and soldiers of the sunni persuasions are now officially available as soldiers-for-hire. Now that the coalition funding has dried up, here's another source for income generation for the paki nation. I wonder what EyeRan thinks about this?

Where one door closes...

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 06 Jan 2017 22:06

Peregrine wrote:Till the 1980s the Baloch regarded the Pashtuns as their elder brothers. However, since the 1990s, Pakistans estabishment has admirably succeeded in dividing Baloch and Pashtuns. Just like Zia divided Sindh in 1983 by creating MQM after people protested in Dadu with their tools erect and donkeys all around when Zia visited Dadu in 1983.

This is so BENIS material, of course their tools were erect with so many uncovered donkeys around.
Maybe Zia rode a donkey or a donkey rode him

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Jan 2017 22:36

How did you miss this earth shattering event?

Dossier on Indian terrorism in Pakistan handed over to UN

Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi Friday delivered a dossier on India’s interference and terrorism in Pakistan to the UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres along with a letter from Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz.

The dossier contains additional information and proof of Indian RAW interference in Pakistan and involvement in terrorism particularly in Balochistan, FATA and Karachi.

This is a follow up to the three dossiers which were shared with the United Nations in October 2015

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/17723 ... over-to-UN

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2017 22:59

anupmisra wrote:How did you miss this earth shattering event?

Dossier on Indian terrorism in Pakistan handed over to UN
Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi Friday delivered a dossier on India’s interference and terrorism in Pakistan to the UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres along with a letter from Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz.
The dossier contains additional information and proof of Indian RAW interference in Pakistan and involvement in terrorism particularly in

Since new UN Secretary General is from Portugal , Paki are hoping that unlike BK Moon he will have anti India attitude becuase of India taking back Goa. Portugal and Paki have history of collaboration in anti India activities.