Understanding US thread-III

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 21:27

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama ... 9U.twitter

Obama mocks Trump, but has barred immigrants, many Muslim, 6 times

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 21:28

will never happen

Britain should follow Donald Trump's lead and introduce 'extreme vetting,' Nigel Farage says as he defends US President's immigration crackdown

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-ban.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Jan 2017 21:28

Typical British hypocrisy on show! Britain refuses to abide by EU"open borders" regime,which then resulted in "Brexit",but denounces Trump for a temp suspension of Muslims from certain terror infested states!

The best thing that could happen is for the Brit hyopcrites at Westminster to cancel Trump's state visit,which if he came would be marred by protests too, and for the so-called spl. relationship with Britain to be dumped into the Atlantic! Britain would then be totally adrift in the stormy waters of the N.Atlantic,sans empire,sans EU,sans sanity! We might then see Britain plead for us to admit them into the Indian Empire!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... t-against/

Live Donald Trump's ban on Muslims: Global backlash as ministers told to fight for British citizens' rights - but President is defiant

Rozina Sabur Steven Swinford, deputy political editor
29 JANUARY 2017 •
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Reaction and protests in pictures
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'The American dream is dead' - comment from Rob Crilly

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 29 Jan 2017 21:34

IndraD wrote:Ali case making splash in media

Ali worked for three years as an interpreter for the US Army and gained admittance to the US through a Special Immigrant Visa, reserved for Iraqi and Afghan nationals who face threats of violence for working for Americans during the conflicts there.
He now has a green card, and returned to Iraq for his father's funeral, only to be delayed for hours for questioning at Dulles.
"We are not terrorists. We are not bad people," said Ali. "It's so hard. I hope they will change their minds on this position."

IIRC, Barry Goldwater ,a famous politician of a previous era, said something like : "The govt. that can give you anything can also take away everything. "

Highly recommend anyone who is not a WASP elite to internalize that in massa.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 21:35

Benjamin Netanyahu ‏@netanyahu 1d1 day ago
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President Trump is right. I built a wall along Israel's southern border. It stopped all illegal immigration. Great success. Great idea

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jan 2017 21:40

IndraD wrote:Benjamin Netanyahu ‏@netanyahu 1d1 day ago
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President Trump is right. I built a wall along Israel's southern border. It stopped all illegal immigration. Great success. Great idea

Sharon built that wall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jan 2017 21:44

http://www.juancole.com/2017/01/astonis ... yahus.html

The Central Committee of the Jewish Community in Mexico issued a statement saying it “forcefully rejected” Netanyahu’s comment, while several prominent Mexicans of Jewish origin sharply criticized the Israeli leader on Twitter.

“So you like walls @netanyahu? Here you have a couple of nice designs,” said one, Mony de Swaan, a former head of the Mexican telecommunications regulator, posting images of walls commemorating Bergen-Belsen, the Nazi concentration camp where diarist Anne Frank died, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 21:53

so left liberals were quiet with walls like this but are not OK with one against Mexico? Why?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Jan 2017 22:00

This is really troubling (as though the rest is not?):

Trump puts Bannon on security council, dropping joint chiefs

I was wondering why, until ...........................

It is led by retired lieutenant-general Mike Flynn, who was one of Mr Trump's closest advisers and most ardent supporters during the campaign.

Flynn *really* cannot operate very well with JS, etc in the room. But, he can with Bannon. Trump has upended teh entire structure and has made this - and perhaps will continue to make other gov organizations - his personal pulpits.

However, I am very impressed with the set of lawyers Trump has assembled around him. As usual.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jan 2017 22:01

Smug we gotcha type language.

Foxnews.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement early Sunday saying that they plan on continuing to “enforce all of the president’s executive orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people.”

The DHS said the court order would not affect the overall implementation of the White House order and the court order affected a small number of travelers who were inconvenienced by security procedures upon their return.

“The president’s executive orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety,” the statement said.

A federal judge issued an emergency order Saturday night temporarily barring the U.S. from deporting people from nations subject to President Donald Trump's travel ban, saying travelers who had been detained had a strong argument that their legal rights had been violated.

Stephen Miller, a senior adviser to the White House, said, "Nothing in the Brooklyn judge's order in anyway impedes or prevents the implementation of the president's executive order which remains in full, complete and total effect."

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jan 2017 22:05

IndraD wrote: so left liberals were quiet with walls like this but are not OK with one against Mexico? Why?

They were not quiet. Just Fox News and Brietbart didn't cover it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jan 2017 22:22

Morning has dawned on the pride rocks...

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Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world - a horrible mess!

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Somebody with aptitude and conviction should buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes and either run it correctly or let it fold with dignity!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jan 2017 22:48

Dang! Instead of DT and Bannon, if it had been HiC and Abedin, the entire ISIS refugee column from Mosul and Palmyra would be coming through JFK now..

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jan 2017 22:54

And please note: No one remembers the Great Wall of Mexico, the tax on German/Mexican goods etc. Great strategy. To make ppl forget about one atrocity, do something much worse. Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

zoverian · Post by **zoverian** » 29 Jan 2017 23:50

UlanBatori wrote:And please note: No one remembers the Great Wall of Mexico, the tax on German/Mexican goods etc. Great strategy. To make ppl forget about one atrocity, do something much worse. Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

+1

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 23:56

UlanBatori wrote:And please note: No one remembers the Great Wall of Mexico, the tax on German/Mexican goods etc. Great strategy. To make ppl forget about one atrocity, do something much worse. Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

+1

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jan 2017 23:59

Indian taxi drivers protesting Trump as well

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 30 Jan 2017 00:02

Could be a paki as well. Better keep Indians out of this fracas. Not our dog in this scuffle. Let's relish this movement of schadenfreude.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Jan 2017 00:03

US hints at extending visa ban to Pakistan http://tribune.com.pk/story/1310725/us- ... -pakistan/

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 30 Jan 2017 00:03

UlanBatori wrote:And please note: No one remembers the Great Wall of Mexico, the tax on German/Mexican goods etc. Great strategy. To make ppl forget about one atrocity, do something much worse. Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

as we have been saying - there is a loud distraction and then quietly something very serious and profound is sneaked in under the radar...

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Jan 2017 00:14

Green card holders are OK
A senior White House official said on Sunday that foreign nationals with legal permanent residence in the U.S. would not be affected by Friday’s executive order restricting entry of visa holders and refugees from seven Muslim-majority countries.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/green-card- ... 7?mod=e2tw

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 30 Jan 2017 01:24

Paul wrote:Could be a paki as well. Better keep Indians out of this fracas. Not our dog in this scuffle. Let's relish this movement of schadenfreude.

I myself know many Indian girls nyt drinkers for whom trump is Hitler reincarnated and Hilary is the best.... One wore black colour clothes the day he won.. She's not alone..

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Jan 2017 01:28

two of my colleagues (based in CA) are extremely gamgeen even since Trump got elected: wonder what makes them so left prone. One of them is berserk on wapp since Trump ordered ban on Muslim countries.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 30 Jan 2017 01:46

UlanBatori wrote: Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

The US military chain of command runs like this:

President-----> SecDef--------->Theater Commands i.e. CENTCOM, STRATCOM,PACOM etc. etc.

i.e. if a military strike is authorized by the President, it goes through the Secretary of Defence to the Commanders of the Specific Theaters. The Joint Chiefs have always been there in an advisory capacity. Neither the Chairman nor the other Chiefs are in the direct chain of command when it comes to responding or initiating military action. This is the way it has always been so no authority has been taken away because there was no authority there to begin with e.g. military action in the Middle East will flow from the President to the SecDef to the Commander of CENTCOM and then down to individual military units.

Maybe Trump feels that as he already has access to military advice via his NSA it is not critical to have the Joint Chiefs......as they are there in an advisory capacity in any event on the NSC.

komal · Post by **komal** » 30 Jan 2017 03:00

UlanBatori wrote:And please note: No one remembers the Great Wall of Mexico, the tax on German/Mexican goods etc. Great strategy. To make ppl forget about one atrocity, do something much worse. Toppling the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff happened without a whimper.

He has put the cart before the horse. His Nehruvian Economic Policies will result in Nehruvian economic growth. The abuse of the of 'black/brown' untermenschen at airports would have been ideal distraction when the people in Alabama realize that abusing companies on Twitter and laughing at people who drive BMWs doesn't create any jobs.

And when they realize that it was Obamacare that was covering Junior's STD treatments -- and they have to cover those costs now.

Seeing the brown turned away at immigration counters would have been a pleasant distraction to these Tump voters for 30 minutes.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 03:43

what will all these protests in massaland.

if only these protests were directed against muslim countries embassies in usa with less than half strenghth ,more awareness and actions would have resulted in better outcomes to liberals and muslims.

but but it is always non muslims who are at fault.

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terrorism has no religion but because of ban on some countries , more terrorism will emerge in those countries ironically these terrorists magically will have no religion.

amazing.

komal · Post by **komal** » 30 Jan 2017 03:47

krisna wrote:what will all these protests in massaland.

if only these protests were directed against muslim countries embassies in usa with less than half strenghth ,more awareness and actions would have resulted in better outcomes to liberals and muslims.

but but it is always non muslims who are at fault.

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terrorism has no religion but because of ban on some countries , more terrorism will emerge in those countries ironically these terrorists magically will have no religion.

amazing.

That he excluded Pakistan and KSA demonstrates that this has nothing to with terror but more about abusing the black/brown for the amusement of his vote bank.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 03:51

^^^^
cool down please.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 04:06

truth is stranger than fiction---

many want to disregard the facts to post their pet peeves.

when mind goes emotional , eyes goes blind (corruption of "love is blind")

ombaba banned 7 times muslim nations at different times in his presidency. he destroyed ME despite his nobull piece prixe.

trump only tightened the screws all at once based on ombaba administration policies.

NO liberal or an enlightened muslim wants to chnage the situation at home countries in ME. But want murica to do the heavy lifting.

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All the named 7 countries per ombaba have no proper govt- lawlessness is rife. many people do not have proper identification process.

Hence with limited coopertaion of the said govts in the named countries - usa can only do so much within its limits of power.

KSA and tsp have some accountability and do rule large parts of their country with much authority at least on paper.

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since 9/11 no muslims have tried to change the course of their religion. only more repression and more victimhood , blame the non muslim.

libreals of all parties have played into the muslims by getting huge sums of money form muslim countries/org etc.

It is estimated KSA pumped into large sums of monies in to ivy legaue universities and other fields to sanitise islam from negativity. it is estimated ~70 billion dollars. and many more.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 30 Jan 2017 04:24

I have come across more Paki taxi drivers in NYC than Indian.

Also, I doubt Indian taxi drivers would be so brazen as to hold a 'Kutta' sign for people in authority. That photo, most likely, is of a group of Pakis.

komal · Post by **komal** » 30 Jan 2017 04:44

Kakkaji wrote:I have come across more Paki taxi drivers in NYC than Indian.

Also, I doubt Indian taxi drivers would be so brazen as to hold a 'Kutta' sign for people in authority. That photo, most likely, is of a group of Pakis.

In Chicago, taxi drivers are never from Pakistan -- they all claim to be from "India Pakistan"

komal · Post by **komal** » 30 Jan 2017 04:46

krisna wrote:truth is stranger than fiction---

many want to disregard the facts to post their pet peeves.

when mind goes emotional , eyes goes blind (corruption of "love is blind")

ombaba banned 7 times muslim nations at different times in his presidency. he destroyed ME despite his nobull piece prixe.

trump only tightened the screws all at once based on ombaba administration policies.

NO liberal or an enlightened muslim wants to chnage the situation at home countries in ME. But want murica to do the heavy lifting.

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All the named 7 countries per ombaba have no proper govt- lawlessness is rife. many people do not have proper identification process.

Hence with limited coopertaion of the said govts in the named countries - usa can only do so much within its limits of power.

KSA and tsp have some accountability and do rule large parts of their country with much authority at least on paper.

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since 9/11 no muslims have tried to change the course of their religion. only more repression and more victimhood , blame the non muslim.

libreals of all parties have played into the muslims by getting huge sums of money form muslim countries/org etc.

It is estimated KSA pumped into large sums of monies in to ivy legaue universities and other fields to sanitise islam from negativity. it is estimated ~70 billion dollars. and many more.

The KSA/TSP apologists are amazing. I guess that they are unaware that TSP actually funds, trains, and plans terror attacks.

And Obama never banned lawful holders of Color of the Religion of Peace Cards from entering the USA.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 30 Jan 2017 04:47

Controversial Trump aide Bannon elevated to WH security council
by AFP

Washington (AFP) – Donald Trump’s controversial senior adviser Steve Bannon will have a permanent seat at White House National Security Council (NSC) meetings, solidifying his role as one of the most powerful members of the president’s inner circle.In an executive memorandum signed on Saturday, Trump elevated Bannon, while downgrading the status of the Director of National Intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the security council’s principals committee. The DNI and Joint Chiefs chairman now will only be present at meetings “where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed,” the memorandum said.

Bannon had a blue-collar upbringing, but he quickly became part of the very establishment he rails against. He began his career as a Goldman Sachs banker, then became a producer in Hollywood before taking over the Breitbart news platform. Bannon is currently on leave from Breitbart while working for Trump.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 04:48

viewtopic.php?p=2108117#p2108117

adding some in this article

All the countries falling under Trump’s ban — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — have small but significant Christian minorities. Though some communities arose in separate enclaves, often Christians are integrated within larger urban centers.

Often they are physically indistinguishable from their non-Christian compatriots. Names are of little help; only some, like Mohammad, Ahmad and Mustafa (all names of the prophet Muhammad) clearly mark a person as a Muslim. Others give no clue.

And while they have been specifically targeted in a number of regions where they dominate, such as areas of Iraq and Syria, Christians often suffer the same fate as their Muslim neighbors who are the primary victims of the extremist groups rampaging in Syria, Iraq and Libya.

In recent years, Christians’ homes and businesses have been confiscated by the jihadists, who daubed the letter N in Arabic (for “Nasrani,” a term meaning “Christian,” which some consider a pejorative) under a sign reading “Property of Islamic State.”

Some Christians were kidnapped by jihadists, who often used them as bargaining chips or as hostages to be used for ransom.

“I know in general the [Nusra Front] believes the pope will buy Christian hostages out of captivity. They are quite certain about this,” said Theo Padnos, an American journalist captured by Nusra in 2012 and imprisoned for two years.

guess liberals and muslims dont want anything to be done in their own countries.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 04:51

komal wrote: <snip>

The KSA/TSP apologists are amazing. I guess that they are unaware that TSP actually funds, trains, and plans terror attacks.

And Obama never banned lawful holders of Color of the Religion of Peace Cards from entering the USA.

Please komal, am unable to understand your stance.

bliss to explain in more detail.

komal · Post by **komal** » 30 Jan 2017 05:07

DT did not ban anyone from KSA and TSP. The TSP/KSA apologists see no problem with this. The KSA/TSP apologists say Obama also banned people from the same countries.

Except that he didn't ban people who have green cards for decades from entering the USA.

DT is following the standard GOP strategy of talking loudly while carrying a little stick. If he was serious about protecting American lives, he would send cruise missiles into ISI HQ.

amritk · Post by **amritk** » 30 Jan 2017 06:19

krisna, the logic you justify is applied selectively by the USG. There are countries not on the list that are worse, viewed through the very lens, than at least one of the countries that is on the list.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 30 Jan 2017 06:55

'let the lawyers in' shouted protestors at airports

Only DT can make lawyers likeable.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jan 2017 07:12

ET has a article on some leaked drafts of future exec orders that usa msm has obtained

Reversing the extention of opt period that obama had signed

Site visits by agents of L1 employing workspaces

Reversal of the obama policy allowing spouses of h1 visa holders to work when gc is near

Now we know some spouses have always illegally worked in desi businesses on cash basis....and about the l1 h1 many bodyshops are economical with laws and dots on t

Chances of desis being marched off in cuffs by gotcha immi agents is high once these new orders come in effect

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2017 07:16

amritk wrote:krisna, the logic you justify is applied selectively by the USG. There are countries not on the list that are worse, viewed through the very lens, than at least one of the countries that is on the list.

agree with the above which is well known.
some of those countries are close allies of uncle.