Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jan 2017 20:24

in this din and yug, what is the real price differential between skilled manpower resources between India and Russia? may not be that large

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Jan 2017 22:17

IAF Su-30MKI with interesting weapon repertoire
https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/821183823073247232

link to larger sized image from the above link...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2VuUrvVIAE4g0e.jpg

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Jan 2017 22:31

Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30MKI: The Air Ambulance of The Nation
http://iadnews.in/2016/12/indian-air-fo ... he-nation/

Once at the Airport, the Indian Air Force (IAF), which had already been alerted, loaded the organs onto a Sukhoi Su 30MKI aircraft. One of the fastest aircraft with the IAF took off from Pune at 11.20 pm and reached Delhi at 40 minutes past midnight.

Total Flight Time - 1 hour and 20 minutes from Vimanagar AFS, Pune to Palam AFS, Delhi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jan 2017 01:44

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30MKI: The Air Ambulance of The Nation
http://iadnews.in/2016/12/indian-air-fo ... he-nation/

Once at the Airport, the Indian Air Force (IAF), which had already been alerted, loaded the organs onto a Sukhoi Su 30MKI aircraft. One of the fastest aircraft with the IAF took off from Pune at 11.20 pm and reached Delhi at 40 minutes past midnight.
Total Flight Time - 1 hour and 20 minutes from Vimanagar AFS, Pune to Palam AFS, Delhi.

I fell sorry for the ill but this is gross misuse of fighter planes meant for combat. I note the other organs were utilized locally.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Jan 2017 02:22

Wing Commander Sidharth Vishwas Munje - the only IAF pilot to have survived two Rambha crashes. There have been six so far.

2009 Crash: I swear by our dear dog, Ma, I am safe: officer on crashed Sukhoi
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/i ... oi/453217/

2014 Crash: Twice Lucky: Pilot In Yesterday’s Su-30 Crash Also Survived 1st MKI Crash In 2009
http://www.livefistdefence.com/2014/10/ ... su-30.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2017 08:15

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30MKI: The Air Ambulance of The Nation
http://iadnews.in/2016/12/indian-air-fo ... he-nation/

Once at the Airport, the Indian Air Force (IAF), which had already been alerted, loaded the organs onto a Sukhoi Su 30MKI aircraft. One of the fastest aircraft with the IAF took off from Pune at 11.20 pm and reached Delhi at 40 minutes past midnight.
Total Flight Time - 1 hour and 20 minutes from Vimanagar AFS, Pune to Palam AFS, Delhi.

Great job. Organs are hard to get if your son is dying from a failing vital organ

This was from the AFMC hospital to the Army hospital Delhi

The 45-year-old housewife had suffered a head injury in a road accident on July 18 and was admitted to Armed Forces Medical College and Command Hospital (Southern Command), Pune. On July 26, she was declared brain dead by an authorised panel of doctors, after which her son decided to donate her organs.

The organs, which included a liver and a kidney, were to be transplanted in two patients already admitted at the Army Hospital (R and R) in New Delhi. The liver was meant for an ex-serviceman and the kidney was to go to son of a serving Sergeant in IAF. According to an official release, the two patients at Delhi were in urgent need of transplants and in last stages of liver and kidney diseases.

nits · Post by **nits** » 24 Jan 2017 17:53

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30MKI: The Air Ambulance of The Nation
http://iadnews.in/2016/12/indian-air-fo ... he-nation/

Once at the Airport, the Indian Air Force (IAF), which had already been alerted, loaded the organs onto a Sukhoi Su 30MKI aircraft. One of the fastest aircraft with the IAF took off from Pune at 11.20 pm and reached Delhi at 40 minutes past midnight.
Total Flight Time - 1 hour and 20 minutes from Vimanagar AFS, Pune to Palam AFS, Delhi.

Something does not add up - the aerial distance from New Delhi to Pune is 1173 km and flight times was 80 minutes which means 880 KM / Hour speed and Sukhoi top speed is 2100Km/Hour so did it travelled at 40% of its speed capability ?

May be the organs cant sustain high degree of G-Force and hence the lower speed

Schmidt · Post by **Schmidt** » 24 Jan 2017 18:04

Rakesh wrote:Wing Commander Sidharth Vishwas Munje - the only IAF pilot to have survived two Rambha crashes. There have been six so far.

2009 Crash: I swear by our dear dog, Ma, I am safe: officer on crashed Sukhoi
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/i ... oi/453217/

2014 Crash: Twice Lucky: Pilot In Yesterday’s Su-30 Crash Also Survived 1st MKI Crash In 2009
http://www.livefistdefence.com/2014/10/ ... su-30.html

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Great job on crashing a 100 mil worth of stuff - and the guy still gets to keep his job

Wonder how many Rafales our jocks would crash in the years to come

nits · Post by **nits** » 24 Jan 2017 18:40

Schmidt wrote:^^^^
Great job on crashing a 100 mil worth of stuff - and the guy still gets to keep his job

Wonder how many Rafales our jocks would crash in the years to come

Are you serious with this comment or it was Humor? if this was humor then not in a good taste IMHO

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 24 Jan 2017 18:43

nits wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30MKI: The Air Ambulance of The Nation
http://iadnews.in/2016/12/indian-air-fo ... he-nation/

Total Flight Time - 1 hour and 20 minutes from Vimanagar AFS, Pune to Palam AFS, Delhi.
Something does not add up - the aerial distance from New Delhi to Pune is 1173 km and flight times was 80 minutes which means 880 KM / Hour speed and Sukhoi top speed is 2100Km/Hour so did it travelled at 40% of its speed capability ?

May be the organs cant sustain high degree of G-Force and hence the lower speed

No regular fighter aircraft like the Sukhoi fly at max speed (typically achieved with use of afterburners) throughout the flight. Afterburners guzzle fuel at a tremendous rate and it's use is therefore usually limited to seconds.

The flight was a regular straight forward one. The Sukhoi didn't have to evade enemy fighters or air defences. There would be no need for any high G turns.

nits · Post by **nits** » 24 Jan 2017 19:02

understand - Thanks Manish...

Commercials flights take 2 hour + the formalities at Airport so it was really time saving in such critical time

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2017 20:03

Schmidt wrote: Wonder how many Rafales our jocks would crash in the years to come

Ah the proud Indian..

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Jan 2017 20:49

shiv wrote:Great job. Organs are hard to get if your son is dying from a failing vital organ.

I agree Shiv. A great job indeed by the IAF. Hope to see more of this in the future.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2017 21:36

Incidentally - but OT
Norwegian fighter jet helps save dying patient

Quick-thinking medical staff in Norway saved a patient’s life by calling in a fighter jet to whisk live-saving medical equipment from another hospital.
The dying patient urgently needed a special lung and heart procedure called extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, but the hospital in the town of Bodø in central Norway had neither the equipment nor the skills to carry it out.

However, a hospital in Trondheim, about 280 miles (450km) south, did have a machine available, and staff contacted the air force on 4 April for help in transporting the equipment. The request reportedly came just as two F-16 fighter jets were preparing to take off from an airbase nearby.

“They didn’t ask any questions, except for what size the machine was,” Anders Wetting Carlsen, chief doctor at Trondheim’s Saint Olaf hospital, told AFP.

In a further stroke of good luck, one of the fighter jets was equipped with an external hold that allowed it to transport equipment. The machine was loaded on to the aircraft, which made for Bodø at top speed.

“Usually we cover that distance in 35 minutes,” air squadron head Borge Kleppe told the Norwegian daily Verdens Gang. “But given the special nature of the cargo, the pilot stepped on it and arrived at the destination less than 25 minutes later.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Jan 2017 21:40

Shiv...check this out....

Why not use IAF's fighter fleet for organ transport?
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/why-n ... 160816.htm

By Group Captain Murli Menon (retd).

By undertaking medical mercy missions, the Indian Air Force will win immense political and national goodwill.

Then again, can you imagine the diplomatic pay off, of an Indian heart being flown to Karachi or Dhaka or Colombo in an IAF fighter to save a life in one of these countries?

The psy-ops!!!!

The H&D of the PAF would be in shreds in a Rambha lands at Jinnah Intl Airport in Karachi with a life saving organ.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2017 21:55

For Pakistan a dead donkey's organ will do - it should be put in a football and kicked across the border by a star soccer player..just sayin

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Jan 2017 22:04

Great job on crashing a 100 mil worth of stuff - and the guy still gets to keep his job

Wonder how many Rafales our jocks would crash in the years to come

and nobody has ever told you that flying jet a/c in various situations is inherently dangerous?

and the crash was all the pilots fault,eh?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Jan 2017 22:06

TSJones: Neither crash was the Wg Cdr`s fault. If he had bothered to read the links, he would have figured that out. He is just trolling. Why respond to a troll?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 26 Jan 2017 23:47

Russia and India negotiating Su-30 combat jet support deal
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... pport-deal

However, placement of a logistics center for the Su-30MKI at Bangalore in southern India is a curious choice, said one Russian aerospace export specialist, “given that the Su-30MKIs are license-assembled at the HAL facility in Nasik and not in Bangalore.” Nasik is almost 700 miles north of Bangalore. But those familiar with the condition of the various HAL facilities located in India argue that Bangalore would be more accessible than Nasik and is also the premier high-technology hub of the Indian economy. Creation of a support facility for the Su-30MKI in Bangalore “would be not unlike the approach of Russian industry of having initial, new-production aircraft manufactured in one location and using a second location for the overhaul and modernization of the same model of aircraft,” the Russian specialist said.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 01 Feb 2017 06:08

Ex-IAF Su-30K destined for Angola makes its first flight after restoration

A Sukhoi Su-30K fighter jets which was previously operated by the Indian Air Force made its first flight after undergoing overhaul in Belarus.

The Indian Air Force received the Su-30Ks between May 1997 and December 1999, and has returned them to Russia after placing an order for more than 200 Sukhoi Su-30MKI jets that will be delivered in batches.

Angola is due to receive 12 (18 according to some sources) Su-30Ks to become the third operator of the Sukhoi Su-30 series twin-seat fighter jets in Africa after Uganda, which received six new Su-30MK2s from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur factory in 2011, and Alergia, which operates 40 Su-30MKA multirole fighter delivered new from Irkut in two batches.

The Su-30Ks which were originally destined for the Belarus air force are undergoing a major overhaul and repair work by Sukhoi at the Aircraft Repair Plant no. 558 in Baranovichi, Belarus.
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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Feb 2017 13:28

More Pics of ex IAF Su-30K for Angola AF

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2407863.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Feb 2017 13:30

ANALYSIS: India acts to maintain air power edge

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ge-433336/

As the machinations in New Delhi continue around new types, the Su-30MKI remains the backbone of the air force, with an estimated 230 examples in service. Despite reliability issues, the thrust-vectored multirole platform has provided quality and quantity to an ageing fleet.

The first orders were placed in November 1996, for eight Su-30K and 32 upgraded Su-30MK multirole fighters. This was followed by orders in December 1998, October 2000 and December 2012 for licensed production of 40, 140 and 42 Su-30MKIs, respectively, by HAL at its Nashik facility. HAL has now produced 188 Su-30MKIs in addition to the aircraft that were directly procured and the last aircraft is slated for delivery in 2020.

With the type now approaching two decades in air force service, there appears to be increased momentum for the long-awaited Su-30MKI upgrade programme.

“Within the next three to six months there will be an official announcement that HAL will be the lead for the SU-30MKI upgrade,” says Raju.

If the upgrade goes forward, the fleet will get new displays, avionics and an AESA radar, with costs running at $12-20 million per aircraft. To improve serviceability rates of the Su-30MKI, which are below the 75% availability rate mandated for peacetime, Raju says that HAL is now looking at a follow-on contract for maintenance support to assure aircraft availability.

“We are in the last phase of technical discussions, following which commercial negotiations will take place and we are close to concluding a contract,” he says. HAL’s Nashik overhaul facility for the Su-30MKI completed work on two aircraft last year and six overhauled aircraft will be delivered in 2017. The facility has the capability to overhaul 15 Su-30MKIs annually.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 02 Feb 2017 14:44

With su-30mki production to close soon, it makes sense to order at least 2 squadrons more. Eventually this lone should be utilized to make FGFA

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 03 Feb 2017 01:45

elaborate on that ?
MKI production to close in India or Russia ?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 03 Feb 2017 03:05

Khalsa wrote:elaborate on that ?
MKI production to close in India or Russia ?

There is only 2-3 years of production left in India for Su-30MKI

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 03 Feb 2017 04:55

Aditya G wrote:
Khalsa wrote:elaborate on that ?
MKI production to close in India or Russia ?
There is only 2-3 years of production left in India for Su-30MKI

Ah
Thanks Aditya.
Make sense. Agreed. Better to make extra and hold them as attrition WWR as well.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Feb 2017 14:31

Aditya G wrote:
Khalsa wrote:elaborate on that ?
MKI production to close in India or Russia ?
There is only 2-3 years of production left in India for Su-30MKI

They are suppose to complete the MKI production schedule in a compressed time scale by 2018 for 272 aircraft , Post that they would be busy upgrading the MKI , I think they would still have some bandwidth to make atleast 6 new MKI per year along with upgrading 6 MKI to Super MKI Standard

A nice video of Su-34 Ground Loading stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNdlDe3VG98

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 03 Feb 2017 18:35

Has the engine reliability improved with -31FM1/2 series? Also with increased thrust and improvements in SFC, it would probably makes sense to do an engine upgrade as well. I think money would be an issue though...may be IAF feels like engine upgrade may be reserved for another MLU later on.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Feb 2017 15:10

Su-30MKI in the company of the Indian state association Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Nashik, 2013. (c) Hindustan Aeronautics Limited http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2413227.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Feb 2017 08:03

Deleted. Useless.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 06 Feb 2017 08:13

dude why posting that garbage? its not like it has even some journalistic cover

unecessary hits

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Feb 2017 16:02

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170210/1487636624.html

About 40 Su-30MKI fighters, manufactured in India under license from Russia, left to put the local Air Force, told RIA Novosti on Friday, the press service of the corporation "Irkut".

"Su-30MKI - the basis of combat aircraft in India Ordered more than 270 aircraft, taken into service about 230." - Said the press service.
HAL Corporation currently continues to produce new aircraft and overhaul fighter first game, added in the "Irkut

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 10 Feb 2017 16:17

Usage of IAF fighter jets for transporting organs for military families/patients is a potential minefield with scope for huge controversy.
If they are doing it regularly, they should keep it under wraps and not let it out in the press.

As things currently stand, aam admi does not have access to the fighters for organ transport in time sensitive situations.
It's only a matter of time before someone notices and objects it. The govt then would be obligated to roll out this facility to the whole population or disallow it for the forces.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Feb 2017 16:40

nirav wrote:Usage of IAF fighter jets for transporting organs for military families/patients is a potential minefield with scope for huge controversy.
If they are doing it regularly, they should keep it under wraps and not let it out in the press.

As things currently stand, aam admi does not have access to the fighters for organ transport in time sensitive situations.
It's only a matter of time before someone notices and objects it. The govt then would be obligated to roll out this facility to the whole population or disallow it for the forces.

The IAF is regularly used for humanitarian work. Helicopters are used to supply food and drink to villages in the north and north east. A one off flight should not be given too much attention lest presstitutes ejaculate their stuff all over it. It would be an extraordinarily rare scenario of a brain dead donor to be in one military hospital and a matching donor in another military hospital and both in cities with airports.

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 10 Feb 2017 16:55

I agree.
For a one off case it's alright.
I'm just highlighting the possibility of trouble if the fighter jets are pressed into regular service for organ transport only for military families.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Feb 2017 00:06

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 12 Feb 2017 00:26

Is it taken over Assam?

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Feb 2017 00:39

AFIK IAF has regular training sorties and sometimes they go cross country. It is not that uncommon for using IAF planes for 'personal' errands in the guise of training sorties.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Feb 2017 01:27

The most infamous one was when a 2 seater jag crashed as it took a birthday gift in the back seat. That restricted the the movement of the throttle resulting in plane loss.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 14 Feb 2017 15:41

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