Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2017 07:17

The BAE Systems Inc - HAL Advanced Hawk close-up
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/828564675990319106

That cockpit shot of the above aircraft is nice...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 07:25

Cosmo_R wrote:
HAL is trying to stay relevant. This CH stuff is nice but given that IAF needs 200-300 fighters, this is a diversion in resource terms. They would be far better off showing how they are totally focused on getting the LCA out in numbers.

Have you seen the HAL products publicity?

No Tejas there. Only Dhruv, LCH, HTT 40 and Jaguar Darin 3

Tejas is not HALs baby

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 07 Feb 2017 08:17

sankum wrote:✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈ ‏@writetake · 7h7 hours ago
And, here is the artistic image of #IMRH released by HAL.

Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 07 Feb 2017 08:18

RoyG wrote:
sankum wrote:✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈ ‏@writetake · 7h7 hours ago
And, here is the artistic image of #IMRH released by HAL.

Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else. Maybe even the cougar

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 08:27

RoyG wrote:Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

Is that a problem?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Feb 2017 08:29

It looks like an early stage drawing. But am happy that not in too distant future Indian armed forces will have yet another domestic designed aircraft.

Wetdream just as the ALH resulted in LCH it should result in ah 64 class machine.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 07 Feb 2017 08:58

There is a hell thread for this discussion.

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 07 Feb 2017 16:27

HTT-40 2nd prototype to fly in March; innovations propel project
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ind ... -1.1712977

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 07 Feb 2017 20:20

Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.

I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 21:29

nirav wrote:
Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.
I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s

No No - he has written "hell" thread. Not Heli. Helos in hell thread. Maybe Himalayas on a foggy evening.

Like this

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 07 Feb 2017 21:52

Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 21:57

nirav wrote:Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

If I remember right there was only an Indian military aviation thread originally. Gradually threads proliferated as this thread got overloaded. But there is a lot of overlap. Some things can fit into many threads.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 07 Feb 2017 22:22

nirav wrote:
Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.
I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s

Classic Indian bureaucracy! Lots of little fiefdoms with little regard for each other. Each busy sending people to the other window for redressal.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 07 Feb 2017 23:04

RoyG wrote: Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

Artistic impression will change as it gets closer to implementation. Too early in the process. I hope they do start on it soon though.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 07 Feb 2017 23:51

nirav wrote:Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

There is an IAF specific thread now: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7294

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 08 Feb 2017 02:49

We now have threads for
IAF - General
Indian Military Aviation
Indian Air Force News & Discussions - 15 Dec 16
IAF Re-Equipment Schedule

IAF - In service
Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
LCA: News & Discussions Oct 16

IAF - Future
AMCA News and Discussions
VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
'Make in India' Single engined fighter
PAK-FA and FGFA Thread - June 2014

Indian Navy
Naval LCA - News and Discussion
Indian Naval Aviation

India - Non-Fighter streams
Transport Aircraft for IAF
AEW&C News & Discussion
Indian Military Helicopters
Helicopter Performance Analysis

Tech
Kaveri & aero-engine discussion
Military Flight Safety
Aircraft Recognition
Stealth in military aviation, pros and cons
UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Events
Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Other
International Aerospace Discussion
International Military Aviation - News and Discussion
Civil Aviation Development & Discussion
etc

I guess this thread is to debate the threads.

Updated: To serve as an Index

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 08 Feb 2017 04:53

We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Feb 2017 13:35

When is the MRH supposed to fly? The LUH was reported to have some engine issues,what's the latest? Plus,what's the latest on the desi AEW birds? New larger platforms were being looked at some time ago.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 08 Feb 2017 14:19

Philip wrote:When is the MRH supposed to fly? The LUH was reported to have some engine issues,what's the latest? Plus,what's the latest on the desi AEW birds? New larger platforms were being looked at some time ago.

On the desi AEW birds, http://forceindia.net/TriumphintheEnd.aspx

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 08 Feb 2017 17:52

Khalsa wrote:We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve

Deserve?

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 09 Feb 2017 01:54

deejay wrote:
Khalsa wrote:We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve

Deserve?

I am joking deejay

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 09 Feb 2017 20:23

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... um=twitter
BSF Air Wing inducts own pilots and crew

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 10 Feb 2017 01:49

IAI reveals export version of Heron TP

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has developed an export-specific version of its Heron TP medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned air vehicle, which will be displayed for the first time at this month's Aero India show in Bengaluru.

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IAI says the new Heron TP-XP "constitutes a multi-mission, multi-payload strategic aircraft" capable of operating in extreme weather conditions. IAI has previously supplied the Indian armed forces with its earlier, smaller Heron 1 UAV, and New Delhi had shown interest in also obtaining the TP model.

The Israeli company says it hopes to "further strengthen and deepen" its relationship with Indian partners, under the auspices of New Delhi's "Make in India" procurement policy. "Heron TP-XP is an important element in this ongoing co-operation," it says.

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RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 10 Feb 2017 09:52

shiv wrote:
RoyG wrote:Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.
Is that a problem?

No, is it a problem for you?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Feb 2017 12:49

RoyG wrote:
shiv wrote: Is that a problem?
No, is it a problem for you?

Yes. In fact I was wondering if you were implying that the helo was a copy by ponting out a family resemblance.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 Feb 2017 13:59

IMRH has a clear family look shared with LUH and ALH. Thats a good thing.

aditp · Post by **aditp** » 11 Feb 2017 14:05

Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 11 Feb 2017 14:32

^^This is so cool. Probably the best news I have heard in some time. I wish them all the good luck and success. We truly need this...a player at the low end powerplant spectrum. If the engine development capability sorted out, cruise missiles, Reaper like UAVs, the applications are immense & diverse. I hope MoD/GoI encourages them by providing more funding. Also I hope some of these ITES companies like Quest, Tatas invest in these kind of ventures as well apart from shiny US/EU based OEM tie up ventures onlee.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Feb 2017 14:42

aditp wrote:Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........

Israel?

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 11 Feb 2017 18:13

Great development! Ddm never fails to amuse

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Feb 2017 18:29

shiv wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:
HAL is trying to stay relevant. This CH stuff is nice but given that IAF needs 200-300 fighters, this is a diversion in resource terms. They would be far better off showing how they are totally focused on getting the LCA out in numbers.
Have you seen the HAL products publicity?

No Tejas there. Only Dhruv, LCH, HTT 40 and Jaguar Darin 3

Tejas is not HALs baby

Is the CH HAL's baby? If the LCA is not their baby, why do we want to trust them with it since it is apparently a crucial element in the fighter stream? Nothing about Indian defense acquisition surprises me anymore. Just asking.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 Feb 2017 20:16

shiv wrote:
aditp wrote:Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........
Israel?

Israeli companies do have an effort in the area (since 2009 or so), perhaps not at this scale or for such a purpose.

Having said that this author has not been able to convey what he should have or wanted to convey.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Feb 2017 04:41

shiv wrote:
RoyG wrote:
No, is it a problem for you?
Yes. In fact I was wondering if you were implying that the helo was a copy by ponting out a family resemblance.

Well, then ask and you shall receive! Resemblance isn't indicative of copying all the time. Akash and Sa-6 are a good example.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 12 Feb 2017 07:25

Knock it off boys. This is completely unnecessary.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Feb 2017 19:30

IAF has a two-pronged plan for force accretion, reveals Air Chief

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 12 Feb 2017 19:53

Govt to set up panel for assessing viability of building stealth fighter with Russia

A multi-billion dollar Indian programme to co-develop a stealth fighter with Russia faces an uncertain fate with the government deciding to set up a committee to examine what the country gains from the project.

A top government source said the panel, to be headed by a three-star officer, would look into different aspects of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project and the technology it brings into the country to meet the air force’s future requirements.

The two countries have been discussing the project for several years but are yet to sign a $4-billion research and development (R&D) contract for the FGFA. India has already spent Rs 1,500 crore on the preliminary design stage (PDS) of the FGFA project. The PDS was completed in June 2013 on the basis of a contract inked with Russia in December 2010.

“Several things have been resolved but it is critical to assess how we benefit from the programme before making the next move. Design issues also have to be looked into,” the source said. The Indian Air Force wants the stealth fighter to have a more powerful engine as the existing one doesn’t give it super cruise capability.

A prototype called the T-50, built under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) project is undergoing tests in Russia. The first prototype flew its maiden sortie in January 2010.

India has a requirement for 120-130 such swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness.

The ability to super cruise or sustain supersonic speeds in combat configuration without kicking in fuel-guzzling afterburners is a key Indian requirement.

Former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha told HT that affordability is a key issue and “we have to take a call if we want the FGFA.”

The IAF does not have sufficient number of warplanes to tackle a combined threat from China and Pakistan. The count of IAF’s fighter squadrons has shrunk to 34 compared to a desirable strength of 42, a capability gap the air force is struggling to fill.

The existing fleet consists of 14 squadrons of ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters that will be retired in phases by 2024. Each fighter squadron consists of about 18 planes.

The IAF hopes to add more muscle with the induction of French-built Rafales, the indigenous light combat aircraft, more Sukhoi-30s, the FGFA and a medium-weight warplane to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign player.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 13 Feb 2017 02:31

The Hindustan Turbo Trainer-40 (HTT-40) in sporting colours for its first public display flights at Aero India 2016
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4W4w6NVUAEbLjb.jpg

Does TSR in the serial number (TSR001) of the HTT-40 stand for TS Raju? Just like Tejas has KH for Kota Harinarayana?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Feb 2017 02:46

>>“Several things have been resolved but it is critical to assess how we benefit from the programme before making the next move. Design issues also have to be looked into,” the source said. The Indian Air Force wants the stealth fighter to have a more powerful engine as the existing one doesn’t give it super cruise capability.\\

Good. LPI capabiity, all around stealth, supercruise - all things the IAF needs, even if the Russian's dont think it necessary. Days of hand me downs should be over.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 14 Feb 2017 00:15

Seen for the first time, an IAF Mirage-2000TI with a Popeye (reportedly Popeye II aka Crystal Haze) stand-off precision guided bunker busting munition.

It is also armed with MICA IR with a live seeker and a dummy booster on the portside outerwing station and another one with an inert seeker and active booster at the front portside fuselage station along with a LITENING 3 LDP on the front starboard side station and 2 RP-522 1300l supersonic drop tanks.

Credits - Angad Singh

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 14 Feb 2017 00:18

HAL's Light Utility Helicopter in a new desert splinter camo
Image credit- Tarmak FB page