Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016
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Not sure of IL-76 but An-32 must be routinely doing that much before C-130 entered service it was our workhorse
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These are very expensive Birds and when 2 have crashed in such a short time, do you want to throw good money over bad?Karan M wrote:Looks like the base design had issues and the Group Captain who is acknowledged as being an excellent pilot otherwise, hence had a mishap. Also, why don't we get more C-130 Js? Are we going to wait till they too are out of production?
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The second case is clearly not a design issue with the bird, so why try to spin it that way?? I accept that they are costly but the cost is due to their superlative capabilities which is a good value addition to the capabilities of the IAF and hence good investment..Aditya_V wrote:These are very expensive Birds and when 2 have crashed in such a short time, do you want to throw good money over bad?Karan M wrote:Looks like the base design had issues and the Group Captain who is acknowledged as being an excellent pilot otherwise, hence had a mishap. Also, why don't we get more C-130 Js? Are we going to wait till they too are out of production?
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The only way to not throw good money after bad is to have a domestic product.
If a domestic product dosenot exist. Take the best that's available and use it. Which is what IAF is doing. But 6 was a tiny number for the IAF. We need more.
If a domestic product dosenot exist. Take the best that's available and use it. Which is what IAF is doing. But 6 was a tiny number for the IAF. We need more.
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Gents i said airbase design had issues not design issues with the bird, which by all accounst seems great. AF is happy wth them. We just have too few.
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We are going to wait onlee. Babu efficiency must be maintainedKaran M wrote:Looks like the base design had issues and the Group Captain who is acknowledged as being an excellent pilot otherwise, hence had a mishap. Also, why don't we get more C-130 Js? Are we going to wait till they too are out of production?
On a totally different note, see below...
Attacked by monkeys, an IAF Wing Commander with the Acquisitions
Directorate at the MoD is injured after falling down a flight of stairs.
https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/8 ... 8265540608
Where the hell is Animal Control?
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At Aero India 2017, two MBDA missiles headed into Indian Air Force service.
The ASRAAM for the Jaguars and the Meteor for the Rafales.
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/833651566821376000
The ASRAAM for the Jaguars and the Meteor for the Rafales.
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/833651566821376000
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Join us on an unmissable ride as we get airborne on Made in India Tejas.
Coming soon!
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/8 ... 8727957504
Coming soon!
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/8 ... 8727957504
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Bah, gripen show, would have been better if it was Tejas.
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I think that the C-130 was probably attempting something new and different - which I believe also contributed to the earlier accident. We bought them for the new capability and the fact that a senior officer was on both flights suggests that he was leading from the frontAustin wrote:Not sure of IL-76 but An-32 must be routinely doing that much before C-130 entered service it was our workhorse
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C-130J crash was attributed to flying thru the wake turbulence of earlier aircraft at low-level.
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A little birdie told me that it was something more than that, details unknown to me, but anyway the aircraft was in a situation where it ended up crashingJTull wrote:C-130J crash was attributed to flying thru the wake turbulence of earlier aircraft at low-level.
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IAF to float tender for midair refuellers again after two failed attempts
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... kfOAN.html
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... kfOAN.html
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India prepares Israeli SPYDER air defence missile system for Pakistan border
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 93019.html
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 93019.html
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So help me understand something in the context of the C-17 Globemaster line has shut down.
What happens when natural attrition causes numbers of C-17s to drop in various air forces.
So my question is from two angles.
1. Angle of manufacturer.
Its the Year 2027 AD
Royal Australia has two less aircraft (due to whatever reason, these airframes can't fly)
Indian Air Force has three less
Royal New Zealand wants to buy two aircraft
Qatar wants to buy three
USAF is minus nine aircraft and wants two more squadrons.
Is there a time and number (demand) when the OEM will seek to reopen the line
Has that mfg_ing line been repurposed for something else
Does anyone know how this works usually and if Boeing made any statement about this (when they were closing down the line)
2. Angle of Operator
Its the Year 2027 AD
We have three less C-17s
We also have 4 less IL-76 and many more IL-76 rapidly showing age and heavy life capability is dropping fast.
Question 2A
What do we do because Boeing says the demand for more C-17 has not reached a minimum viable number, i.e they need a minimum demand of 100 aircraft before they will start manufacturing again
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
Question 2B
What do we do because Boeing says they will never open the C-17 line ever. They are now in planning and design phase for C-18. The son of C-17 and this aircraft is 20 years away.
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
The Govt of India is still struggling to make the MTA fly off the whiteboard and the C-130 cannot perform the role of C-17s in terms of equipment haulage.
Thoughts Folks ?
What happens when natural attrition causes numbers of C-17s to drop in various air forces.
So my question is from two angles.
1. Angle of manufacturer.
Its the Year 2027 AD
Royal Australia has two less aircraft (due to whatever reason, these airframes can't fly)
Indian Air Force has three less
Royal New Zealand wants to buy two aircraft
Qatar wants to buy three
USAF is minus nine aircraft and wants two more squadrons.
Is there a time and number (demand) when the OEM will seek to reopen the line
Has that mfg_ing line been repurposed for something else
Does anyone know how this works usually and if Boeing made any statement about this (when they were closing down the line)
2. Angle of Operator
Its the Year 2027 AD
We have three less C-17s
We also have 4 less IL-76 and many more IL-76 rapidly showing age and heavy life capability is dropping fast.
Question 2A
What do we do because Boeing says the demand for more C-17 has not reached a minimum viable number, i.e they need a minimum demand of 100 aircraft before they will start manufacturing again
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
Question 2B
What do we do because Boeing says they will never open the C-17 line ever. They are now in planning and design phase for C-18. The son of C-17 and this aircraft is 20 years away.
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
The Govt of India is still struggling to make the MTA fly off the whiteboard and the C-130 cannot perform the role of C-17s in terms of equipment haulage.
Thoughts Folks ?
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wasn't there a report of a tie up by reliance with Ukraine for a MTA ..maybe this is what they are targeting !Khalsa wrote:So help me understand something in the context of the C-17 Globemaster line has shut down.
What happens when natural attrition causes numbers of C-17s to drop in various air forces.
So my question is from two angles.
1. Angle of manufacturer.
Its the Year 2027 AD
Royal Australia has two less aircraft (due to whatever reason, these airframes can't fly)
Indian Air Force has three less
Royal New Zealand wants to buy two aircraft
Qatar wants to buy three
USAF is minus nine aircraft and wants two more squadrons.
Is there a time and number (demand) when the OEM will seek to reopen the line
Has that mfg_ing line been repurposed for something else
Does anyone know how this works usually and if Boeing made any statement about this (when they were closing down the line)
2. Angle of Operator
Its the Year 2027 AD
We have three less C-17s
We also have 4 less IL-76 and many more IL-76 rapidly showing age and heavy life capability is dropping fast.
Question 2A
What do we do because Boeing says the demand for more C-17 has not reached a minimum viable number, i.e they need a minimum demand of 100 aircraft before they will start manufacturing again
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
Question 2B
What do we do because Boeing says they will never open the C-17 line ever. They are now in planning and design phase for C-18. The son of C-17 and this aircraft is 20 years away.
Meanwhile Russian Il-76 line is also not humming and has been quiet for many years
The Govt of India is still struggling to make the MTA fly off the whiteboard and the C-130 cannot perform the role of C-17s in terms of equipment haulage.
Thoughts Folks ?
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Hull losses cannot be replaced unless you have spare ones in the boneyard. But spare parts manufacturing continues as long as it makes economic sense to manufacture them.
And that is what I was saying in MII thread. Assembling a foreign fighter in India does not give much independence or know how. The parts for new aircraft and spares for the old aircraft all will continue to come from abroad.
There is no alternative but to put time, money and effort to build up local manufacturing capability and capacity.
And that is what I was saying in MII thread. Assembling a foreign fighter in India does not give much independence or know how. The parts for new aircraft and spares for the old aircraft all will continue to come from abroad.
There is no alternative but to put time, money and effort to build up local manufacturing capability and capacity.
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Ha ha, and then we think building end of life F-16 is somehow a solution! Sorry, OT.
But, coming to the concern above, we have IL-76, which are also not in production despite all Russian claims. Even the new Phalcon frames are being pulled out from storage. And, what of all our Migs, Jags and M2Ks?
Having so many operators is actually a good reason why we know that parts will be available for long time. Being the only operator puts us in a difficult position.
But, coming to the concern above, we have IL-76, which are also not in production despite all Russian claims. Even the new Phalcon frames are being pulled out from storage. And, what of all our Migs, Jags and M2Ks?
Having so many operators is actually a good reason why we know that parts will be available for long time. Being the only operator puts us in a difficult position.
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Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar to be the next Deputy Chief
of Air Staff of Indian Air Force. He takes over on March 1.
https://twitter.com/writetake/status/836608623430127616
of Air Staff of Indian Air Force. He takes over on March 1.
https://twitter.com/writetake/status/836608623430127616
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India mulls Illyushin airlifter and tanker upgrades
http://idrw.org/india-mulls-ilyushin-ai ... ore-126470
http://idrw.org/india-mulls-ilyushin-ai ... ore-126470
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IAF seeks 54 acres to expand runway at Tambaram
https://twitter.com/satbasani/status/837847100184543232
https://twitter.com/satbasani/status/837847100184543232
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Russian Aerostats Radar to be Backbone of Indian Border Defense
https://sputniknews.com/military/201703 ... r-defense/'
https://sputniknews.com/military/201703 ... r-defense/'
“The EL/M 2083 will provide elevated view with the Russian Aerostats, thus enhancing the range for scanning threats. This will be linked to the SPYDER SR through the command center providing early warning thus facilitating Lock on Before Launch (LOBL) for the missile,” says Brigadier Rahul Bhonsle, a retired Indian Army brigadier and defense analyst.
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New C-130J Squadron Complex Inaugurated in West Bengal's Panagarh
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/new-c-13 ... rh-1667206
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/new-c-13 ... rh-1667206
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Once expanded, Tambaram Air Force Station runway can serve Chennai during natural calamitiesRakesh wrote:IAF seeks 54 acres to expand runway at Tambaram
https://twitter.com/satbasani/status/837847100184543232
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 450893.cms
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Two Front War – IAF’s Options and Strategy
http://www.defstrat.com/current-issues/ ... d-strategy
http://www.defstrat.com/current-issues/ ... d-strategy
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That made for an interesting read..Rakesh wrote:Two Front War – IAF’s Options and Strategy
http://www.defstrat.com/current-issues/ ... d-strategy
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314 SU30MKI ordered till now? So did we add another 40?
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^^^
Some numbers are off--Su-30MKI, LCA and AEW&C (planned).
Some numbers are off--Su-30MKI, LCA and AEW&C (planned).
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Interesting but quite incomplete. Totally missed the advances in IAF ADS, which has undergone a sea change over the last decade. Not to mention game changing acquisitions like the Barak8, Akash, Spider and now, s400 Sam's. These will make very big difference in a two front war.Rakesh wrote:Two Front War – IAF’s Options and Strategy
http://www.defstrat.com/current-issues/ ... d-strategy
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Assault choppers to remain with IAF
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 782463.cms
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 782463.cms
“On induction of attack helicopters by the Army, the IAF has maintained that, it has no objection to any internal restructuring within the Army as long as this does not pre-suppose the transfer of assets of the Air Force or impinge on the enunciated role of the IAF.
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In a first, IAF heads for drills to Israel
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 782373.cms
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 782373.cms
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Indian Air Force to participate in air combat exercise in Israel
http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... el/599913/
http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... el/599913/
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Indian Air Force to acquire at least 60 Airbus C-295 transport aircraft
http://indianewengland.com/2017/03/indi ... -aircraft/
http://indianewengland.com/2017/03/indi ... -aircraft/
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http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 83308.html
From the above link:
From the above link:
Hope this is true.Another six such systems are reported to have been ordered, with the IAF’s total requirement in this category projected at 20 platfroms.
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JT,The Il-76MD-90A is very much in full-scale production from a new plant in Russia unlike earlier when it was built in Uzbekistan. The IN has already ordered two more platforms for the Phalcon AWACS system and new IL-78 tankers are possible due to the v.high costs of Airbus aircraft.IL476-90 unit cost is around $60M. The new IIL-76-90s are supposed to have a full glass cockpit,smaller crew of 3,plus more powerful engines,paylaod,range and endurance,A few quotes.
Il-76MD-90A
It was announced in 2010 that the production of a modernized Il-76, the Il-76MD-90A (also known as project Il-476 during the design stage), would begin; a proposed new production line would be located in Aviastar's facility in Ulyanovsk, Russia, and be operated in cooperation with the Tashkent works.At that point, the construction of two Il-76MD-90A prototypes had begun at the Ulyanovsk facility.The 1st serial production Il-76MD-90A was rolled out at Aviastar's Ulyanovsk plant on 16 June 2014.[10] On 29 April 2015, it was reported that the Russian Air Force received the first Il-76MD-90A built at the Ulyanovsk plant "Aviastar-SP" from the 2012 contract for 39 aircraft.
“The newer machine differs in having greater payload, and longer range. State-of-the-art onboard systems allow for a wider spectrum of missions to be performed. The accuracy of parachute dropping and touchdown in adverse weather conditions is much improved. These and other qualities shall ease the pilot workload and enable the crew solve assigned tasks more efficiently, including in wartime.” With a gross weight of 463,000 pounds and four Perm Motors PS-90A76 turbofans, the Il-76MD-90A can transport a payload of 114,000 pounds for 2,700 nm.
Aviastar CEO Sergei Dementiev told AIN, “We are ready to produce up to 190 Ilyushins within the next fifteen years. To do that, we are refitting our final assembly facility, so that our annual production rate shall rise to 18 aircraft. The financial model we developed for the type runs through to 2030.”
India Might Acquire Russian Il-78M-90A Aerial Tankers
By ITARTASS -August 2, 2016
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has canceled the tender worth USD2 billion for six A330 MRTT (Multi-Role Tanker Transport) aerial tankers, according to a source in the Indian Ministry of Defense (MoD).
“The MoD has terminated the program to acquire six A330 MRTT aerial tankers from the Airbus Defense and Space Company. We are planning to re-launch the relevant tender. The Ministry will consider other options, for instance, KC-767 by Boeing or Il-78M-90A by Ilyushin together with A330 MRTT,” the source said.
He pointed out that the Indian MoD had selected A330 MRTT over Il-78M (NATO reporting name: Midas) in 2012. “We suppose that the aforementioned aircraft could hardly be compared. A330 MRTT made its maiden flight in 2007, while Il-78M in 1988,” the source added.
The Indian MoD has revealed its interest in the acquisition of the Il-78M-90A aerial tankers developed by the Ilyushin Company (a subsidiary of the United Aircraft Corporation, OAK) on the base of the Il-76MD-90A heavy military transport aircraft. “The Il-78/Il-78M aircraft are rapidly ageing. I suppose that the newest Il-78M-90A aerial tanker meets the Indian MoD’s requirements to full extent.”
At the same time, Russia has been deeply upgrading the Il-78M aircraft to extend their service life by 15-20 years. The Ministry is also interested in such aerial tanker designated as Il-78M2.
“We are planning to consider the option of Il-78M-90A or Il-78M2 acquisition. These planes are supposed to have the best cost-effectiveness ratio. The Indian Air Force (IAF) operates several Il-78MKI tankers delivered in 2003-2006 that could be upgraded to the Il-78M2 level,” the source said.
However, the Russian option will be reviewed on a regular basis. “The MoD is re-launching the tender in order to supply the IAF with the state-of-the-art aerial tankers, not to acquire Russian aircraft,” he said.
The IAF operates six Il-78MKI aerial tankers delivered by Russia. The planes have been issued to the 78th squadron. According to open sources, only two aerial tankers are in flyaway condition. Four remaining aircraft are grounded due to the lack of spare parts.
The Il-78M-90A aerial tanker is developed by the Ilyushin Company. The specifications of the aircraft are classified.
The Il-78M aerial tanker was developed in the 1980s. It has a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 210 t, a maximum speed of 830 km/h, a cruise speed of 750 km/h, an operational range of 4,000 km, and a service ceiling of 11,230 m.
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PS:We had 272 MKIs ordered with around 250 reportedly delivered. Then there were reports about another 42 being ordered If you add 272 and 42 you get the magic fig of 314. That is a huge no. of MKIs and when all are upgraded to Super Sukhoi std.,capable of carrying BMos,BMos-M (in future) and LR AAMs,a very potent strike force. If the IAF allow the IN to take over most of the A&N theatre duties with their MIG-29Ks,etc.,they could relocate at least one more sqd. of MKIs to the Chinese front.
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Everything you always wanted to know about Indian air power but were afraid to ask: In conversation with Shiv Aroor
https://hushkit.net/2017/03/29/everythi ... hiv-aroor/
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India keen to buy MiG-29 aircraft from Malaysia: Malaysian Prime Minister
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Would not be a bad move to arrest no.s (even though not to a great extent), consideringashishvikas wrote:India keen to buy MiG-29 aircraft from Malaysia: Malaysian Prime Minister
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 031600.cms
1. it's already there in our stable
2. should come cheap
3. ensures sales of indian spares for Su-30
If not anything else, it might free few frames for mating kaveri and testing it
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There was report about IAF ordering a large number of LGBs.
I couldn't find it again.
Please post here.
I couldn't find it again.
Please post here.