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saip wrote:
Singha wrote:
each englishman in india must have had 10-20 underlings at work and home on an average to "support" the sahib overcome the heat, dust and flies.
There used to be a guy called a 'pankah puller' who sat in the hot steamy veranda and kept pulling rope so that the gora sahib inside could have cool breeze. This continued even after the goras left so that the brown sahib could enjoy the breeze.
<offtopic>You guys seem to forget that the gora sahibs were merely copying the customs of the local natives. So brown sahibs were doing it first, well before gora sahibs landed up in India's shores and continued to do it alongside the gora sahibs too. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming,
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Seema Sirohi notes:
http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... mic-order/
If there is one person in the White House whose ‘to do’ list you want to avoid, it’s Peter Navarro. They call him the ‘most dangerous’ man for the global economic order. He is radical, determined and wields enormous influence on US President Donald Trump.

And India is in his sights. Navarro, director of the newly minted National Trade Council, doesn’t like the US trade deficit with India. Not one bit. And there could be some fireworks on the trade front for New Delhi. Navarro and his cohorts want to punish to make America great again.
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Washington’s permanent establishment derides Navarro’s ideas as ‘stupid economics’. But his boss, Trump, has faith in him. That matters. So, when Navarro announces a battle plan, it’s time to sit up. Last week, he outlined his trade agenda and blamed 16 countries for the large US trade deficit of $735 billion.

India was near the top of the list, after China, Japan, Mexico and Germany, accounting for $18 billion, while China was responsible for nearly half of that humongous figure. India’s sin may seem like a misdemeanour to Beijing’s felony, but Navarro is not discriminating.

He sounded the bugle in front of the National Association of Business Economists, a powerful elite club, on March 6, saying the persistent trade deficit of the US was a national security threat. It was allowing the country’s ‘net worth to be transferred abroad at an alarming rate’. His remedy: ‘free, fair and reciprocal’ trade. “If the US uses its leverage as the world’s largest market to persuade India to reduce its notoriously high tariffs and Japan to lower its formidable non-tariff barriers, we will surely sell more Washington apples, Florida oranges, California wine and Wisconsin cheese and Harley Davidson motorcycles,” said Navarro. Get the drift? The US’ enormous bargaining power is about to rain down.

Surplus countries such as Germany and China will feel maximum heat, but India will also feel the burn. If you thought the Obama administration was tough on trade issues, Navarro is in a league of his own.

His ideas have traction with some in the US Congress, so don’t expect anyone on Capitol Hill to blunt the edge for India. Combine that with the noise against H-1B visas to Indians and anger against the Modi government for targeting Christian NGOs and the US Congress doesn’t seem like friendly territory. Navarro wants to completely undermine multilateral trading rules and put in place bilateral free-trade deals based on ‘reciprocity’. Others in Trumpland have a different view. It’s unclear who will win the factional wars. But it’s best to be ready.
I'm not sure how that all works. As far as I know, in general under WTO rules, India must have the same tariff for all "Most Favored Nations". American goods will still have to compete with the rest of the world. So if India reduces the tariff on apples, say, India will certainly import more apples; but they might be New Zealand apples and not American apples.
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I have become a huge fan of this dude,

desis should fund him, and ensure civil rights and liberties are not violated by chops.

I thought you were one of those navy idiots. :rotfl:
only a gora can say that.

https://youtu.be/eMDGc12u3Hs
In another vid he runs after a white cop who aims a flashlight on his face saying, coward .. come back you little girl, don't run away now. 4:40-5:15

https://youtu.be/eJoki_pG8Fk

mitron, aise jaanbazon ki funding karo .. it will help citizens a lot reclaim their civil liberties.
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Guys, enough with the "joos" "juice" and all the rest of it. If we want to talk about these things, do it correctly, straight and in the right thread. Just as we cannot say "chinks" or any other such thing.

I'm strongly seconding Ramana's cautioning post here...
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>> Washington apples, Florida oranges, California wine and Wisconsin cheese ...

the P1 superpawa reduced to selling fruit, wheat, beef and wine? :D
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Trump sells silk ties made in China, no sharam-sharam just unabashed pursuit of $s.
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habal wrote:Trump sells silk ties made in China, no sharam-sharam just unabashed pursuit of $s.
He admitted as much on many occasions. Saying to the effect - "Everyone else makes their stuff there to make a profit and I am no different. But I am the only one who dislikes making my stuff in china. So, I want to bring the jobs back home".

Professional speech writers can write stuff exactly what people want to hear..
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The Dems are such fools.
They should try to find out if Trump lied and cheated on his taxes and talk about that.
Instead they are complaining that he took legal deductions and writeoffs that every businessman takes.

One is a fool to pay more taxes than needed. Idiots.
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Status Quo

Legitimate attempt for NSG support or simply to keep it Roped under NSG (under London Supplies Group) ? :)
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The article is very one sided and gives Peter Navarro's arguments too much credit. There is the other side.

Trump’s Top China Expert Isn’t a China Expert

Also picking trade deficit for the sake of argument, is simply being selective with facts. How about ATC buying digital toll booths (i.e. cell phone towers) in India? Did not hear any national security concerns.
American Tower Corporation (ATC) emerged as the frontrunner to buy Idea Cellular’s telecom towers
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President Trump discussed his tweeted accusation that President Obama ordered "wires" at Trump Tower tapped during last year's presidential campaign in an exclusive interview with Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Wednesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -soon.html
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Over on the STFUP thread, I posted some information about Jonathan Bank, who was Islamabad CIA station chief until December 16, 2010, when he was named in Pakistani newspapers and had to leave the country. He then became head of the Iran division from the CIA's Langley headquarters. He was ousted in March 2014 for workplace issues. At the time of his ouster, this piece was published:
http://mebriefing.com/?p=580
"Larger Disputes behind Suspension of CIA’s Iran Division Chief"
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Sources have told MEB that the Bank suspension is part of a much deeper battle underway behind the scenes at the CIA’s Langley headquarters. A dozen years after the September 11, 2001 attacks, senior Agency officials are demanding a return to traditional intelligence operations, and a downgrading of the counter-insurgency mission that has come to dominate CIA activities in many parts of the world since 9/11.

These officials have argued that the CIA has failed to provide policy-makers with crucial intelligence on such trouble spots as Libya, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. By placing so much priority on the Global War on Terrorism, CIA case officers have been redirected to developing targets for the Obama Administration’s “kill lists” rather than the traditional missions of recruiting agents and agents-of-influence and providing in-depth profiles of the political conditions inside the target countries and regions.

CIA operators failed, for example, to provide an adequate warning to the President that the Al-Maliki government in Baghdad was launching harsh crackdowns against Sunni minorities, creating the conditions for a new internal conflict and a revival of Al Qaeda operations in the Anbar Province. Throughout his first term, President Obama neglected Iraq and turned his back on Al-Maliki, in stark contrast to President George W. Bush, who cultivated a close personal relationship to the Iraqi prime minister.

The U.S. has also been largely blindsided by the tumultuous events in Libya following the overthrow and killing of Qaddafi. According to one MEB source, the list of intelligence failures and gaps has now reached the point where an internal revolt has begun. One battleground in the ongoing internal war is over the CIA drone program. Among some senior Agency officials, there is a strong desire to end the program altogether and turn over the entire drone targeting effort to the Pentagon.
Why is this history from 2014 interesting today? It seems that these officials may have influenced Obama: an year later:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/27/politics/ ... ite-house/
"Obama to make new push to shift control of drones from CIA to Pentagon".

And now Trump has reversed that policy.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... ne-strikes
President Donald Trump has granted the CIA authority to conduct lethal drone strikes once again, according to a news report, rolling back the limits his predecessor Barack Obama imposed on the spy agency's paramilitary operations.
Perhaps time will tell whether doing drone strikes detracts from the CIA's intelligence mission.
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Anybody planning to do #AwardWapsi in US against Trump's Budget?

I was surprised that US has its own equivalent of Sahitya Akademi award., except more sophisticated!

In India, they have to write a poem on Sonia or a raga on RaGa to get a Sahitya Akademi Award. In US they have to do a art work or art contest on Obama's pet themes to get an equivalent Sahitya Akademi award!

But now with budget cuts and all that., the US sahitya Akademi awards are going to face budget issues and will there be #AwardWapsi? I think there should be and would like to see Eleven comment on rise of intolerance in US.
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Singha wrote:i have seen natgeo and discovery run +ve programs on india - whether it be culture, food, travel, wildlife while the real deep state agenda is run by CNN/NYT/Wapo the evil troika at the top.
NatGeo in print is totally evanjehadi and #AntiIndian and #AntiHindu.

Discovery is better.

Coming to Desi MSM., when the high point of any desi journey is to be like Darkha Butt and report from the loins of White House., what more do you expect?
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At least one American vlogger backs India.
Seems to hate China's govt & military with an unusual passion however in his other video podcasts.

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U.S. Must Support India Against Pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40sduW8u1M
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India not stealing US jobs, but creating them: Prasad

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/inf ... 589637.ece
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Neshant wrote:At least one American vlogger backs India.
Seems to hate China's govt & military with an unusual passion however in his other video podcasts.

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U.S. Must Support India Against Pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40sduW8u1M
havent gone through his other vids but he's likely to be a vet who has served in af/pak region..neverthless he seems to be very shallow
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ranjan.rao wrote: havent gone through his other vids but he's likely to be a vet who has served in af/pak region..neverthless he seems to be very shallow
If even 10% of Americans think the way he does (which I doubt), US and China are headed for a war sometime down the line.
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true that, but going by US history, the war won't be fought by US, it would be fought by their munnas like Japan, SoKO and possibly us, with them doing doin profiteering during teh war
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ranjan.rao wrote:true that, but going by US history, the war won't be fought by US, it would be fought by their munnas like Japan, SoKO and possibly us, with them doing doin profiteering during teh war
Do you think Japan will take up arms in-spite of its constitution? Maybe, but I do not see India ever siding with the US in a war that is not fought on Indian soil. South Korea is not a player either, IMHO.
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Thing about US is that they are not afraid of putting their soldiers in the line of harm and don't go sissy with few body bags coming home so if there is a future war, for sure you will see USA participating in it to put potential threat of China in place.
India unless attacked by China will never participate in such a war not even if there is a opportunity to take back Aksai Chin, Cheen Occupied Kashmir and eventually Tibet.
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VikasRaina wrote:Thing about US is that they are not afraid of putting their soldiers in the line of harm and don't go sissy with few body bags coming home so if there is a future war, for sure you will see USA participating in it to put potential threat of China in place.
Not the USA that I am familiar with. Go back to 1945 -- when USA preferred use of nukes as opposed to an invasion of Japan. Go back to 2003, when Bush refused to put sufficient troops and preferred to rely on air power. Or the TSP -- the source of all terrorism. The USA has no intention to send troops into TSP.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... vfCOL.html

NSA Ajit Doval to go on four-day US tour to discuss on terrorism
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval will leave for a four-day tour to Washington this week to discuss the stability of the Afghanistan-Pakistan region in the backdrop of a Taliban resurgence and rise of the Islamic State in Nangarhar province as well as to share notes on developments in China and West Asia.Doval will be away from Tuesday to Sunday, with Thursday and Friday scheduled for official engagements. South Block officials said Doval will meet his US counterpart HR McMaster for the first time as well as defence secretary James Mattis, with a possibility of President Donald Trump dropping by during official meetings at the White House. The NSA’s visit and meeting with his US counterpart were fixed when foreign secretary S Jaishankar visited Washington earlier this month.After Doval, minister for defence and finance Arun Jaitley is expected to attend the IMF-World Bank spring meetings in Washington from April 21 to 23. US secretary of state Rex Tilerson will be in India for a bilateral strategic and commercial dialogue along with other ministers from the Trump administration.Dates are being discussed for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with President Trump in Washington. Modi will meet Trump at a G20 meeting in Hamburg on July 7-8, after which he will embark on his maiden two-day visit to Israel.
South Block sources said Doval will call for the US to enhance its military presence in Afghanistan, with China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran foreseeing a larger role for the Taliban to take on the rise of the Islamic State. Last month, Afghanistan and India were at odds with the China-led group as both felt the Taliban was detrimental to the stability of the regime in Kabul.New Delhi feels the Islamic State of Wilayat Khorasan is being propped up by Pakistan and Iran’s agencies to accord credibility to the Taliban. Other West Asian nations are worried about Iran’s role in the region and in Afghanistan, a fact conveyed to Doval by his counterparts during a visit to Kuwait last week.With both Mattis and McMaster having battlefield experience in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, Doval will discuss the recent spate of terrorist attacks in the region, with Pakistan’s Punjab emerging as the new theatre of terror. India is worried about Islamabad, with terror groups such as Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan taking on the Pakistani Army and hitting at soft targets in Punjab and Sindh.The role of China in pushing for an economic corridor to the Gwadar port as well as its ever-expanding interests in South Asia, particularly Sri Lanka and Maldives, will also be in sharp focus during the meetings.
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g.sarkar wrote:
ranjan.rao wrote:true that, but going by US history, the war won't be fought by US, it would be fought by their munnas like Japan, SoKO and possibly us, with them doing doin profiteering during teh war
Do you think Japan will take up arms in-spite of its constitution? Maybe, but I do not see India ever siding with the US in a war that is not fought on Indian soil. South Korea is not a player either, IMHO.
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I am afraid sadly that will be the case(war being fought on our territory)
1. Constitution will get changed in next 10-15 years, Japanese are no appeasers to let china step on their feet. They will not wait ,like us, for a highway to be discovered or take fait accompli when china takes over senkaku islands, like us when GB is declared a province. China being china will not stop, so Japanese will not stop either. They are waiting for china to bare its fangs
2. Agreed south korea is not a player, by that definition neither is Singapore, Taiwan and Vietnam.
VikasRaina wrote:
Thing about US is that they are not afraid of putting their soldiers in the line of harm and don't go sissy with few body bags coming home so if there is a future war, for sure you will see USA participating in it to put potential threat of China in place.
Vikas Sir,
On the contrary, I think US is happy to provide air and naval services but likes to outsource the dirty business of boots on ground to others. The bodybags are not what the sentaors want(unless of course it is a WW type situation) In majority of wars they have provided their air and naval might but when it came to providing boots on ground. They have dithered and havent demonstrated teh same will of WW2. Even in WW2 they joined late unless Japanese literally came to their door and knocked with a bazooka. Gulf War 2, Afghan war, 3. ISIS Var, 4. Vietnam war have demonstrated their lack of will to sustain casualties over long durations. What lies in future is anybody's guess, so here is my guess (which is as good as yours, unless you prove me wrong off course) that US and CHina would operate on the cold war template and avoid direct confrontation. Wars will be fought by and in other countries for power demonstration or for influence. Yes they will provide resources: equipment and active military advisers like Migs and Mig Honchos in Korean war by USSR and Chuck Yeager and F86/F104 in '71. US would sell us wares and LM/Boeing would make good profits.
If everything goes according to the plan China loses and fairy tale ends and some hollywood movies get shot in India showcasing how brave freedom loving americans saved the day for corrupt poor lazy Indians and reinvigorated them with values of honesty bravery. Anil Kapoor may get the role of protagonist and who knows there may be an item no. of DP and PC in the movie along with Salman and SRK.
Meanwhile the poor bravehearts who gave their lives and won the war will continue to languish like Mary Kom while PC/DP will make more money than the bravehearts ever did
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BS Unless you mean it will be fought in PoK. IA is geared towards taking the war into Aksai chin and inside Tibet. There is no NFU with china and they now it. Inside PoK we will need to fight both paki and chini troops.In either case US will not enter into direct conflict. Japan will soon start militarizing and I won't be surprized to see 2500-3000 km range missiles in their arsenal soon.
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next war will be a naval war fought far from our shores, mainly concerning access to maritime sea routes.
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Yes and it will be in Indo china sea. Hopefully India expands corporation with vietnam
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The US has been eyeing Indian boots on the ground for a really long long time now. It takes just one muddle headed Indian PM succumbing to the lure of the nobel to land India in a mess that it would find very very hard to extricate itself from.

US war, US problem, US body bags.

Bush tried very hard to enmesh Indian troops in eyraq and didn't he almost make it??
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No he didn't. India offered troops in Afghanistan Iraq was never on the table.
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chetak wrote:The US has been eyeing Indian boots on the ground for a really long long time now. It takes just one muddle headed Indian PM succumbing to the lure of the nobel to land India in a mess that it would find very very hard to extricate itself from.

US war, US problem, US body bags.

Bush tried very hard to enmesh Indian troops in eyraq and didn't he almost make it??
Yes, it was Iraq. When Advani was in a meeting in The White House with Condi Rice to discuss the possibility of Indian troops for Iraq war, George Bush "dropped in" to the meeting hoping that Indians have weakness for such symbolic gestures and hence would fall for it. And it seems to have worked. Advani did give some kind of assurance to the Americans regarding Indian troops. Oh did I mention that Bush told Advani he would do some "blunt talking" to Pakistan about cross border terrorism? :rotfl:
Anyway, it was PM Vajpayee who made sure the attempts to send Indian troops to Iraq were unsuccessful by some clever political maneuvering in Delhi. When I read about this, my respect to Vajpayee increased. I am glad Vajpayee was the PM and not Advani.
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Another hate crime involving an Indian man Ankur Mehta. He was physically assaulted in a bar in Pitts in Nov.

http://www.newsgram.com/another-racial- ... assaulted/
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Bheeshma wrote:There is no NFU with china and they now it.
Is there anything to support this, I am seeing this for the first time. I am very surprised with this hypothesis as you are assuming Indian leadership will have guts to nuke first.

Bheeshma wrote:BS ...... Japan will soon start militarizing and I won't be surprized to see 2500-3000 km range missiles in their arsenal soon.
This is very similar to what i said, not exactly though. So why do you think it is BS? I agree I overdramatized it so apologies for that.
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Bheeshma wrote:BS Unless you mean it will be fought in PoK. IA is geared towards taking the war into Aksai chin and inside Tibet. There is no NFU with china and they now it. Inside PoK we will need to fight both paki and chini troops.In either case US will not enter into direct conflict. Japan will soon start militarizing and I won't be surprized to see 2500-3000 km range missiles in their arsenal soon.
So good to read this. Along the same lines/same probability I am going to win the next PowerBall Lottery (870 million) and buy a whole chocolate factory and a pakistan to go with it, :mrgreen:
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Why not a whole Akula-II load of mithai's? :rotfl: . While you wait for the next developments in Indo china sea.
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partha wrote: Anyway, it was PM Vajpayee who made sure the attempts to send Indian troops to Iraq were unsuccessful by some clever political maneuvering in Delhi. When I read about this, my respect to Vajpayee increased. I am glad Vajpayee was the PM and not Advani.
He put it to vote in parliament and parliament voted against sending Indian troops to Iraq. Some on this forum (moi included to some extent) were in favour of sending troops to Iraq in exchange for economic opportunties for Indian firms. It was soon evident that would have been a blunder. Vajpayee gets criticized too much on this forum and else where. They compare him to Modi but he did what he could with a coalition govt.
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Prem wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... vfCOL.html

NSA Ajit Doval to go on four-day US tour to discuss on terrorism
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval will leave for a four-day tour to Washington this week to discuss the stability of the Afghanistan-Pakistan region in the backdrop of a Taliban resurgence and rise of the Islamic State in Nangarhar province as well as to share notes on developments in China and West Asia.Doval will be away from Tuesday to Sunday, with Thursday and Friday scheduled for official engagements. South Block officials said Doval will meet his US counterpart HR McMaster for the first time as well as defence secretary James Mattis, with a possibility of President Donald Trump dropping by during official meetings at the White House. The NSA’s visit and meeting with his US counterpart were fixed when foreign secretary S Jaishankar visited Washington earlier this month.After Doval, minister for defence and finance Arun Jaitley is expected to attend the IMF-World Bank spring meetings in Washington from April 21 to 23. US secretary of state Rex Tilerson will be in India for a bilateral strategic and commercial dialogue along with other ministers from the Trump administration.Dates are being discussed for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with President Trump in Washington. Modi will meet Trump at a G20 meeting in Hamburg on July 7-8, after which he will embark on his maiden two-day visit to Israel.
South Block sources said Doval will call for the US to enhance its military presence in Afghanistan, with China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran foreseeing a larger role for the Taliban to take on the rise of the Islamic State. Last month, Afghanistan and India were at odds with the China-led group as both felt the Taliban was detrimental to the stability of the regime in Kabul.New Delhi feels the Islamic State of Wilayat Khorasan is being propped up by Pakistan and Iran’s agencies to accord credibility to the Taliban. Other West Asian nations are worried about Iran’s role in the region and in Afghanistan, a fact conveyed to Doval by his counterparts during a visit to Kuwait last week.With both Mattis and McMaster having battlefield experience in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, Doval will discuss the recent spate of terrorist attacks in the region, with Pakistan’s Punjab emerging as the new theatre of terror. India is worried about Islamabad, with terror groups such as Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan taking on the Pakistani Army and hitting at soft targets in Punjab and Sindh.The role of China in pushing for an economic corridor to the Gwadar port as well as its ever-expanding interests in South Asia, particularly Sri Lanka and Maldives, will also be in sharp focus during the meetings.
Seems like a mischevious article, putting words in the mouth of Doval and India's foreign policy establishment, especially the bit about Iran. Runs completely counter to what India's interests and alliances are.
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