India-US relations: News and Discussions III

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Mar 2017 04:18

All this reminds me of the movie: Lock Up Your Daughters.

Judge:

No, we cannot dismiss the case.
If he actually raped her, then he must hang
If she lied about it, then she must hang.

Except here they are all lying.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 27 Mar 2017 09:35

Arjun wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: Indian citizens are being physically assaulted and murdered at a higher rate than the general population
Any data on this ?

Murder rate in the US is 5 per 100K - which should translate to around 200 murders of Indian Americans every year, if we assume the community is on par with others.

The husband of the dead woman is also the suspect in the NJ case, by the way.

It is the case though that the US is a far more dangerous place than India on this count - India murder rate is about half of that of the US.

Indian citizens who are being murdered, assaulted and harassed has gone up significantly since late last year. This is a group of people who engage in the least riskiest behavior. A group who is inherently risk averse.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 27 Mar 2017 20:17

India-U.S. civil nuclear pact likely to miss June deadline

More than two years after India and the U.S. announced that the civil nuclear deal was “done,” its actual operationalisation is in doubt over a number of developments that stretch from a “school scandal” in the Japanese parliament to the Cranberry, Pennsylvania headquarters of Westinghouse Electric, which is expected to file for bankruptcy this week.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2017 21:05

Dipanker wrote:India-U.S. civil nuclear pact likely to miss June deadline

More than two years after India and the U.S. announced that the civil nuclear deal was “done,” its actual operationalisation is in doubt over a number of developments that stretch from a “school scandal” in the Japanese parliament to the Cranberry, Pennsylvania headquarters of Westinghouse Electric, which is expected to file for bankruptcy this week.

Good riddance to poison pills in the IUCNA.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 27 Mar 2017 21:36

Dipanker wrote:
More than two years after India and the U.S. announced that the civil nuclear deal was “done,” its actual operationalisation is in doubt over a number of developments that stretch from a “school scandal” in the Japanese parliament to the Cranberry, Pennsylvania headquarters of Westinghouse Electric, which is expected to file for bankruptcy this week.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 28 Mar 2017 01:08

UlanBatori wrote:Gross waste of taxpayers' money.

Agreed. Not to mention TIME. Question remains whats really simmering/cooking on the back burner while everyone is busy and occupied with this saga

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Mar 2017 01:13

I didn't know Westinghouse was part of Toshiba!

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 28 Mar 2017 01:18

Deleted.
Don't do that again.

ramana

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Mar 2017 02:48

Sounds like a site done by someone who would be considered exceptionally sane - in Karachi.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 28 Mar 2017 21:12

UlanBatori wrote:Sounds like a site done by someone who would be considered exceptionally sane - in Karachi.

That was my knee jerk reaction as well. Apart from the site, the names and incidents are correct

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Mar 2017 22:34

Just being complimentary... Karachi is a great city - where the sewage from Mohenjodaro and Harappa flowed into the ocean.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 29 Mar 2017 04:47

^ Isee liey unki (suvvaron) soch aisi hai

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Mar 2017 07:05

India, US postpone defence trade and technology talks

Sources said the DTTI initiative has progressed well in the past under the Obama administration as the two sides have formed nine joint working groups on different-sectors of defence technology and trade for areas such as high-tech military helicopters and armoured vehicles.

More recently, the US proposed joint development and production of futuristic military helicopters as well as infantry combat vehicles in the programme.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Mar 2017 08:27

ET GBS 2017: Harvard economist Martin Feldstein foresees a decade of robust growth in US

The second leg of tax reform under Trump would be to bring in taxation on a territorial basis. This would mean that US subsidiaries in foreign jurisdictions would not have to pay additional tax in the US when they repatriate their profits back home. This, he expects, will boost American companies' incentive to invest abroad and India could be a huge beneficiary, especially as Chinese wages rise and companies there seek to relocate their production elsewhere.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Mar 2017 12:10

Nothing mentioned about single-engined fighters what?

Westinghouse files for bankruptcy! Thank the Dear Lord we never entered into an agreement with the US. We now know why Snake-Oil Singh was so desperate to sign the N-deal,it was to save Westinghouse's bacon!

His C-17 order (when the IAF's priority was MMRCA fighters) extended production of that bird by a few years helping Boeing. Now prod. has closed and we can't get extra ones which we want and may have to turn back to good Old mother R. for salvation and IL-76-90s. Truly said Snake-Oil to Dubya Bush that "India loves you",meaning himself.The US has never had so loyal a (toothless) canine after mrs. T and one T.B.Liar,than Snake-Oil Singh.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 29 Mar 2017 18:31

Garooda wrote:Deleted.
Don't do that again.
ramana

Don't do what again? Don't post content? Post just the link?

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 29 Mar 2017 19:21

Indo_Us_Ties

For his part, Modi could highlight Indian investments in the US. Anand Mahindra announced last month he wants to double his bets here in the US. If Mahindra is serious, the timing could coincide with the visit, and Trump and Modi could ride into the sunset on a tractor. The photos would be eminently tweetable.

Would love to see Mahindra resume where they leftoff with their 4 cyl diesel pickup trucks. Booked one the last time they tried through Global Vehicles but Mahindra faced several issues

Their tractors and farm equipment seems to be doing good in US. Genze..seems to be doing good as well.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Mar 2017 19:35

The Bolero would be a great addition to compete with the Hummer: a REAL off-road vehicle, preferred by the Polis and Baboos who don't qualify to ride in the curtained Mercedes and Bimmers. IMO, the best value that one can get in a vehicle in India. Seriously. OK, a slightly more powerful engine would be nice.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Mar 2017 20:39

Garooda wrote:
Garooda wrote:Deleted.
Don't do that again.
ramana
Don't do what again? Don't post content? Post just the link?

neither.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 29 Mar 2017 21:27

ramana wrote:
Garooda wrote:Don't do what again? Don't post content? Post just the link?
neither.

I am assuming you are referring to the specific subject and context that was discussed back few posts ago else how else do we post excerpts from another website?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Mar 2017 01:22

That specific subject demonizes Indian immigrants and doesn't belong here.

We don't need it here.

Is that very difficult to comprehend?

Other admins would have give a warning also.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 18:38

ramana wrote:That specific subject demonizes Indian immigrants and doesn't belong here.

Ramana garu, I guess its a perception thing. The Subject isn't demonizing. I would agree that perhaps it was a bad reference website with listings of Indian Americans. We cant sweep things under the rug either while many might be generalizing and living under the false impression that we are squeaky clean and that its always a racial attack instead a case of domestic violence or legitimate homicide. We need to keep things honest upto certain extent for ourselves to fully understand the diaspora. The OCIs, PIOs and NRIs need to question themselves upto certain extent in a dynamic society to better understand the Indian American issues and relationships from Indian American point of view thriving in a foreign land IMO. Eitherway, your point taken as this is India and US Relations group.

Is that very difficult to comprehend?

No it isn't difficult. Just wanted to make sure as often times I have seen different warnings for different reasons by the mods not in line with the rules of the BR Forum. Thanks for the clarification.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Mar 2017 18:43

Trump: "Making America a great arms peddlar again!"
At this rate every state that wants arms will be able to buy from the US supermarket,including Pak. He will try and armtwist Mr.Modi to buy legacy antiques any which way. India must stand firm and choose what's best for it.If we support the LCA to the hilt,there would be little need for another line of a firang fighter.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... human-cost

Donald Trump chases arms sales – whatever the human cost
More salesman than statesman, the US president’s emerging pattern of peddling weapons around the globe is alarming
A US F-16 fighter aircraft
The Trump administration plans to approve a multibillion-dollar sale of F-16 fighter jets to Bahrain without human rights conditions. Photograph:
Simon Tisdall
Thursday 30 March 2017
The Trump administration’s decision to press ahead with a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Bahrain will dismay Shia opposition groups and international human rights campaigners critical of the Sunni-led Gulf state’s authoritarian regime.

But the sale to Bahrain of 19 advanced Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets fits an emerging pattern since Donald Trump took office in January, indicating new US willingness to pump hi-tech weaponry into global trouble spots and fuel lucrative but destabilising regional arms races.

Barack Obama declined to approve the Bahrain deal last year amid concern over the latest crackdown on opposition leaders since the Shia uprising in 2011. Obama said Bahrain had failed to fulfil promises to improve its record, a verdict confirmed in Human Rights Watch’s latest report.

Trump’s decision reflects his priority of stronger ties with the Sunni monarchies of the Gulf in the fight against Islamic State and in their ongoing confrontation with Iran’s Shia theocracy.

Bahrain, which claims it faces Iranian-inspired subversion, is the home port of the US fifth fleet. Britain is building a new naval base there, while maintaining arms export sales worth £45m since 2011.

Trump administration drops human rights conditions to sell fighter jets to Bahrain

Once again overriding human rights concerns, Trump is also expected to give the go-ahead soon for an expanded new arms package for Saudi Arabia. The sale, which comprises $300m in precision-guided munitions, was also blocked by Obama over fears the weapons would be used in Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition is fighting Iranian-backed Houthi rebels.

Saudi forces, backed by expanding US drone operations, have been repeatedly accused of mounting airstrikes responsible for hundreds of Yemeni civilian deaths and injuries. The attacks in some cases “may amount to war crimes”, according to a UN report published in January.

Trump is not alone. Under fire over Yemen but sticking to its guns, the British government, too, has resisted pressure from parliament to curb its arms sales to Riyadh, Britain’s highest-spending client. The UN says the conflict, which will soon enter its third year, has led to the deaths of 10,000 civilians and pushed Yemen to the brink of famine.

Trump’s readiness to set aside human rights considerations while boosting arms exports may be seen again next month when Egypt’s presidential dictator, Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, visits Washington. Trump, who has expressed Putinesque admiration for Sisi’s strongman style of governance, is expected to cement bilateral counter-terrorism cooperation by expanding US military support for Egypt, already worth $1.3bn annually.

Trump may move to expand arms sales to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Photograph: Adem Altan/AFP/Getty Images
More alarming, from a European standpoint, is a possible Trump move to expand arms sales and cooperation with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey’s autocratic leader. Unusually, Germany suspended arms sales to Turkey, a fellow Nato member, because of the egregious repression that followed last July’s failed military coup. But Trump and his advisers want Turkey’s support in defeating Isis and as a buffer against Iran.

If Erdoğan wins next month’s national referendum on expanding his presidential powers, a red carpet White House visit will be on the cards – plus increased US weapons sales – which would be bad news for Turkish and Syrian Kurds who oppose Ankara.

Trump’s emerging emphasis on military solutions and military strength, as opposed to state department-style diplomacy, is already impacting other global troublespots and conflict zones. He lost no time in confirming the deployment in South Korea of an advanced missile defence system. The US says the missiles are intended to deter North Korea. Beijing objects, saying the deployment upsets a delicate strategic balance already under pressure from a regional arms race involving, among others, China’s old enemy, Japan.

China’s anger over the missiles will be nothing compared to its likely reaction if Trump goes ahead with another mooted arms sale – to Taiwan, which Beijing regards as a “renegade province”. The package could reportedly include rockets and anti-ship missiles specifically intended to deter future Chinese incursions. “The political desire is there to do a substantial sale,” an unnamed administration official said last week.

Trump’s global arms peddling is matched at home by his pledge to increase Pentagon military spending by $54bn, a prospective bonanza for US defence manufacturers who held a 33% share of the international arms trade in 2016, worth $38bn, and who dominate the domestic market.

Similarly, it is estimated that Trump’s demand that all Nato allies increase their annual defence spending to 2% of GDP would, if met, add $100bn to Europe’s yearly military expenditure, 20% of which would go on new weapons. For Trump, more salesman than statesman, and a born-again US military-industrial complex, these glittering prizes appear irresistible, whatever the human cost.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 19:05

Bangalore Iphone assembly to start within a month

Apple Inc will be ready to start asembling high-end iPhones in the city in less than a month to boost its chances of gaining a foothold in the fast growing Indian market,Karnataka IT Minister Priyank Khargesaid today.

"In less than a month, we will have something out - Apple will start assembling and making its high-end iPhones at its plant in the city. Taiwanese contract manufacturer Wistron Corp will help Apple in doing so," he told PTI here.

Kharge said making iPhones in India would help Apple lower prices, which will help it gain a foothold in the fast growing Indian market.

"Assembling and making of iPhones in Bengaluru will boost Apple's chances of gaining a foothold in the fast growing Indian market because it will allow the company to lower prices," he said.

Karnataka government has been in talks with the Centre for strengthening the ecosystem even as Apple is negotiating with it for its next level of production in India, he said.

Apple wants to bring its component manufacturers to India to make parts and export finished phones and is seeking tax concessions on import of key components. However the Indian government has rejected most of the demands of the US company.

Kharge said if the Centre was keen on taking on China, it should not give special treatment to Apple alone,but to other players, including Samsung and Lenova, if they aredesirous of opening a manufacturing units in India, especiallyKarnataka.

"My position with the central government has been don't give special treatment to Apple alone, but treat other players equally. Open the entire eco-system for high-end manufacturing of electoronics if you really want to compete with China and Taiwan," he said.
Kharge said government should also give companies, including Apple, certain timelines, subsidies and incentives to create a level-playing field for them.

"The government should give companies a timeline, say in 10 years they should be able to manufacture 100 per cent of phones and its components by procuring them from the local market. Such a timeline should be given because we don't have that environment now," he said.

"The government should also give companies subsidies andincentives to create a level-playing field for them to strengthen the Indian eco-system," Kharge said.

Asked about the Stayzilla case, whose co-founder Yogendra Vasupal was arrested for alleged non-payment of dues filed by a Chennai based advertisement agency, Kharge said it should be alearning curve for startups to work under the parameters ofthe Indian legal system.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 19:09

H1B system needs common sense

Indian-American Congressman Ro Khanna has said the US needs to "remain open" to immigrants who contribute to creating jobs and help shape the economy, as he called for "common sense" reforms in the H1B visa system.

Khanna, who represents the Silicon Valley where a large number of Indians and other immigrants work, said many Americans believe the H1B visa programme needs to be reformed.

"Of course, we have to end the abuses. We shouldn't have companies that have more than 50 per cent H-1B visas and we should make sure that they are paid the prevailing wage," Khanna, a first-time Congressman, told PTI in an interview.

"These are common sense reforms that even people like Venk Shukla (TiE Silicon Valley leader) and many Americans believe in, let's fix the system, end the abuses but make sure we recognise the role of immigrants in creating jobs," he said.

The H1B is a non-immigrant visa that allows American firms to employ foreign workers in occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise. It is highly popular among Indian techies and the technology companies depend on the programme to hire tens of thousands of employees each year.

Khanna, who was elected to the US House of Representatives last November and was sworn in as a Congressman this January, said, "We have to remain open to immigration, people coming here who can contribute jobs and help the economy."

Khanna also pushed for strong relations between India and the US, in particular the trade ties. "There's a strategic partnership in advancing market security interests. India provides a large export market for American products with a large growing middle class. That can help create jobs in the United States," he said.

"They both share values of democratic pluralism of a respect and tolerance for different faiths, a respect for dissent, a respect for robust journalism, a respect for spirituality. I think that there is the common values also," Khanna said, adding he looks forward to visit India soon.

Condemning the recent hate crimes against Indian-Americans and Indians, he said the community has tremendously contributed to jobs, innovation, and service to the armed forces. "There's been an outpouring of support, both from Democrats and Republicans, to say that hate crimes and hate speech have no place in the United States," he said. Khanna is working with other Indian-American lawmakers Pramila Jayapal and Raja Krishnamoorthi, Ami Bera, and with Congressman Joe Crowley to make sure they have a federal task force that deals with hate crimes.

"We've had tremendous support in a coalition, republican and Democrat colleagues, from people like John Lewis, and from the Hispanic-American caucus. It's a broad coalition.From the Jewish-American community, there's concerns about anti-semitism. It's a broad coalition that believes that this country doesn't have any place for hate, or hate speech," he said.

The election of a record number of five Indian-Americans to the Congress for the first time, is giving the community a lot of confidence, he said. "A sense of inspiring young people to seek careers in public service, to go into the military, to go into foreign service.

It has really inspired, I think, many young folks to answer the call to service," Khanna said.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 19:20

UlanBatori wrote:The Bolero would be a great addition to compete with the Hummer: a REAL off-road vehicle, preferred by the Polis and Baboos who don't qualify to ride in the curtained Mercedes and Bimmers.

Concur. Its definitely made to handle the Indian roads so it should be able to handle US roads without any issues. Definitely a good value however the dealers in US will jack it up significantly. I would love to see Mahindra officially launch their lineup in US. I believe the US pickup truck industry was seriously concerned as their pickups are not cheap by any means and Mahindra offered an excellent alternative to big gas guzzlers and payload capacity in a small 4 cyl diesel pickup. It would have impacted the sales of US trucks upto a great extent without a doubt.

OK, a slightly more powerful engine would be nice.

I am always OK with more ponies

as that was another item on the wishlist of several independent assessors

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Mar 2017 19:33

Garooda,

Thanks.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 30 Mar 2017 19:37

Garooda wrote:Ramana garu, I guess its a perception thing. The Subject isn't demonizing. I would agree that perhaps it was a bad reference website with listings of Indian Americans. We cant sweep things under the rug either while many might be generalizing and living under the false impression that we are squeaky clean and that its always a racial attack instead a case of domestic violence or legitimate homicide. We need to keep things honest upto certain extent for ourselves to fully understand the diaspora. The OCIs, PIOs and NRIs need to question themselves upto certain extent in a dynamic society to better understand the Indian American issues and relationships from Indian American point of view thriving in a foreign land IMO. Eitherway, your point taken as this is India and US Relations group.
.

No ..what you posted is absolute trash which has no value anywhere in civilized debate - whether this thread or any other forum/discussion. Its amazing you dont understand it.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 19:54

kiranA wrote:No ..what you posted is absolute trash which has no value anywhere in civilized debate - whether this thread or any other forum/discussion. Its amazing you dont understand it.

I do understand. Where is the debate in the first place? You are entitled to your opinion just as much as everyone else. Anyway thanks for your expert insight. I have been notified by Ramana garu already.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 30 Mar 2017 21:06

Garooda wrote:Ramana garu, I guess its a perception thing. The Subject isn't demonizing. I would agree that perhaps it was a bad reference website with listings of Indian Americans. We cant sweep things under the rug either while many might be generalizing and living under the false impression that we are squeaky clean and that its always a racial attack instead a case of domestic violence or legitimate homicide. We need to keep things honest upto certain extent for ourselves to fully understand the diaspora. The OCIs, PIOs and NRIs need to question themselves upto certain extent in a dynamic society to better understand the Indian American issues and relationships from Indian American point of view thriving in a foreign land IMO. Eitherway, your point taken as this is India and US Relations group.

Hi Garooda, I would agree with you that we need to keep things honest and not all cases of violence on NRIs may be due to racism. There have been more than enough number of cases of domestic intra-family violence or non-racial thug violence in order for any sane person to jump conclusively towards racism as being the only cause.

Having said that, the list you shared doesn't mean anything. What does mean something however is that Indian Americans likely have one of the lowest incarceration rates of any community in the US. While we don't have precise statistics on incarceration rates for Indian Americans - we do have those for Asian Americans. Asian Americans form 1.5% of federal prisons while being close to 5% of the population. This is definitely the lowest proportion of any major community in the US including whites. Even this figure is skewed upwards due to SE Asian Americans (from Laos Cambodia etc boat people) - and the figure for Indian Americans would be very low compared to any other community (with the possible exception of Chinese Americans).

A listing of a few undoubted blacksheep doesn't mean much. For a community as large as IAs are - what is surprising is how small the incarceration rate is.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Mar 2017 21:31

Arjun wrote: A listing of a few undoubted blacksheep doesn't mean much. For a community as large as IAs are - what is surprising is how small the incarceration rate is.

Agreed but the rates that you indicated are enough to make us think otherwise instead of 'horse with blinders' is my point

Anyway, I would rather not discuss this topic on this dhaaga. Perhaps a different thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Mar 2017 00:26

OK. No more on that topic here.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 01 Apr 2017 11:38

Did not know about the 'asiatic exclusion league' and 'Chinese exclusion act'. I only knew about the Bellingham (WA) riots.

The History Of Discriminatory Immigration Laws That Kept Indians Out Of The US For 40 Years - Shefali K. Chandan, Swarajya
Read the full article at Swarajya's site.

“Every steamer from the orient brings a load of these highly undesirable people, most of whom are quite likely to become a public burden. They do not fit into the domestic or social economy of this country. As labourers they are inferior, and any severity of climate incapacitates them from work. “They are, in fact, the product of generations of lazy life under the tropics. We do not know how or why these people have been induced to come to California. We can understand that certain powerful influences which desire to introduce the cheapest kind of labour may have been brought to bear, but now that public attention has been directed to the influx by the Call, it may be hoped that some means may be found to stop it. The Hindus are not wanted in California. They are not wanted in any part of the United States. It is a cruel kindness to bring these unfortunate people to this country. They are wholly unfitted for the strenuous life of the temperate zone, and they are further handicapped by silly notions about caste and the special preparation of food in accord with caste rules. They are brought here to serve a selfish purpose, and they die off like flies in the cold season. We have more Asiatics now in this country than is desirable, and the Hindus are the least useful and the most inefficient of them. They are dirty and quarrelsome as well as worthless in the field of labour.” San Francisco Call, 1 February 1910. “Turn Back the Hindu Invasion”.

“Get out of my country” is what the white, Navy veteran Adam Purinton is alleged to have said before shooting and killing Indian Srinivas Kuchibhotla and wounding Alok Madasani in Austin’s Bar and Grill in Olathe, Kansas, on the evening of February 22.

A Sikh victim of a shooting on Friday, March 3, was also told to “go back to your country”. In the past two weeks, four Indians have been shot at, two fatally, sending shock waves through the Indian American community. The 3.3 million Indian Americans have come to relish their reputation as a “model minority”. In 2014, the Smithsonian Museum feted the community through a special exhibit - “Beyond Bollywood: Indian Americans Shape the Nation”, highlighting the breadth and diversity of accomplishments of Indian Americans. The Indian American story is a success story, and desis and Americans alike flaunt it. It’s been easy to believe that America’s doors would always remain open to deserving desis.

However, Indians are unaware that race and labour have coalesced many times in the past to influence and alter the nation’s immigration laws. Hostility toward “Hindu” immigrants was rampant at the turn of the century and immigration laws passed as an outcome of this hostility, stripped Indians of US citizenship and kept Indians out of the United States for 40 years.

<snip>

The ruling was devastating to Indians, and worse was applied retroactively. Indians who had managed to become naturalised before the judgment now saw their citizenship rescinded. In California, where most Indians resided then, only citizens could own property and as a result of which many Indians - mostly farmers - lost their property. A good number returned home, and the number of Indians in the US dwindled to a few thousand.

The recent Presidential elections are only the beginning of the pushback on immigrants. Quotas under family reunification provisions are bound to be tightened, and H1-B visas curtailed. The 3 million Indians who call America home, remain destined to be, as they have been, a micro-minority. The Hart-Celler Act of 1965, has heard its death knell.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 01 Apr 2017 11:43

From today's paper (link).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Apr 2017 15:40

Well i guess the united states of andhra plan which some elements here speak of will be tough to implement with just the 3 mil headcount and perhaps 1.5 to 2 fertility rate.
Indics cannot emulate radical preachers in eu who have 8 kids and milk state support deftly.

Second gen may marry indic to an extent but by 3rd gen its game over

I tend to believe another brophet here who says the career choices and wealth of pios will become a more normal distribution from 3rd gen onward ie tend to the broad gora mean than a elite outlier

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 01 Apr 2017 16:16

^^^united states of Andhra will happen, despite the resistance, the more you apply pressure, the more will be the reaction.

They failed to create violence between Andhrollu and Telangana muddu biddalu, despite heavy spending of money., Because for telugus the goal is US of A, it's pretty to fight amongst us.

The CIA plot to destroy erstwhile andhra has spectacularly backfired. That's the reason why they don't want H1B's. The more you wanna stop telugus the more immigration there will be from.

There is no plan, the is no strategy, there is only one aim. We will succeed.

vina · Post by **vina** » 01 Apr 2017 17:22

TKiran wrote:^^^united states of Andhra will happen, despite the resistance, the more you apply pressure, the more will be the reaction.

They failed to create violence between Andhrollu and Telangana muddu biddalu, despite heavy spending of money., Because for telugus the goal is US of A, it's pretty to fight amongst us.

What if US of A is "yesterday" and what if the future is different ?

The CIA plot to destroy erstwhile andhra has spectacularly backfired. That's the reason why they don't want H1B's. The more you wanna stop telugus the more immigration there will be from.

There is no plan, the is no strategy, there is only one aim. We will succeed.

How about actually building a prosperous and glorious Andhra & Telengana and indeed India as a whole , instead of an easy way out of going to US, by hook or crook , with multiple methods ranging from lily white clean to borderline shady to outright scam ? How about running clean , world beating industries of unimpeachable integrity, instead of scam ridden low quality businesses based around land (of all stripes) and infra (and IT and Pharma ) and the attendant thuggery and corruption ?

Of course go anywhere you want by all means, but Andhra is not like Greece or someplace where you can export 1/3 rd of the population to North America, 1/3rd to Australia , and out of the remaining 1/3 rd, disperse 1/2 to all W. European countries and the left over 1/6 th gets into EU and hangs in there, despite getting kicked all around. That model sure can't work for Andhra. Look how far it got Kerala with a huge population in the Gulf.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Apr 2017 17:40

Bahmini Biriyani tradition overtaken by Vijayanagaram Dosas again? (sorry, probably a bit geographically challenged..) Right now it looks like Bahnini Sultanate of TGA vs. yindoo/converted Andhra. Recently the Consultate-e-Yindoostan in Ulan Bator was scammed for a lot of dinars by the so-called TGA folks to conduct a "Bijnej" function. Actually they did not bother to get any serious momeen representation: function was all 400% yindoo onlee.

Last-minute scheduling; desperate hunt for email address of ppl to invite. Even yuwars truly got invited and went of course, licking chops about a good hot-hot meal. Total of like 3 non-TGA types came (all in urs truly's yakmobile) besides the Consultanate mantris , and the TGA types enjoyed a social evening with dance and food and all. I had to leave after getting only samosas though

because no sign of real food way past sundown. Consultans got mightily mad, (not to mention more than a bit tipsy), sat around muttering then cursing louder, and stalked out midway through the lone super-boring PPT presentation by a Dean of Mgmt from some dump there (hope they made it home without getting nicked for DUI). TGA rep in Consultanate rumored to be feeling heat on musharraf, started trying to bully others who had used Consultan's dinars much better - making Consul much madder still.

All in all, par for the course per vinaji's post above. A rich tradition of scamistan. Oh, and BTW, not a single A type showed up. Apparently all is not so lovey-dovey between TGA and A.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 01 Apr 2017 19:03

vina wrote: What if US of A is "yesterday" and what if the future is different ?

That's called defiance, that is also called irrationality..... All irrational thinking starts making sense when a certain pleasant outcome comes about.....

How about actually building a prosperous and glorious Andhra & Telengana and indeed India as a whole , instead of an easy way out of going to US, by hook or crook , with multiple methods ranging from lily white clean to borderline shady to outright scam ? That is because Telugus are unapolegetic of their desire to make US of A their second home away from home, than any other subgroup of SDRE'S
How about running clean , world beating industries of unimpeachable integrity, instead of scam ridden low quality businesses based around land (of all stripes) and infra (and IT and Pharma ) and the attendant thuggery and corruption ?

It makes absolutely irrational to duplicate the things that are already available in the land of honey and milk. Did I say irrational?? all Telugu engineers are already getting trained for US of A economy.

That model sure can't work for Andhra. Look how far it got Kerala with a huge population in the Gulf.

Disagree with you, this model is already working very well for Andhra. Show me a single musquito in any tier III city in Andhra. Zeezzzz can't sit in lawn in Koramangala. Musquitoes after 5 PM.

And what's wrong with Kerala, I mean economy wise what's wrong with Karela? One of the most prosperous places in India. Ask yak herder in pheonix, he would love herd yaks in the scenic beauty of Malabar hills

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 01 Apr 2017 19:23

Balbir Punj's open letter to US lawmakers is very similar to previous letter to US lawmakers regarding Modi visa, albeit with bonafide intent. There is mistaken belief in the SDRE thinking that appealing to people who are in forefront pushing "conversions" as their raison deter, will somehow make them abandon and turn a new leaf. It is by design a feature to 'spread the word' by hook or crook, and not an anomaly or bug in the system.
So, the best case outcome will be the US lawmakers will give zero phucks to it and throw into the trash can.
The worst case outcome will be some of the US lawmakers will use the information to figure out how to improve the 'spread the word' by studying all the details provided in the letter. a.k.a fortify conversion process and probe any chinks in the victims.

The collusion of the vatican with islamics is happening on a large scale. From SDRE view point it is very poignant to look at the forces that are colluding and everyone of them has plans for the SDREs. While this nexus is taken to next level, there are many things happening in background, and some in foreground. The taqqia of promoting hijab by the liberals, while promoting atrocity literature and coverage by entities such as Reza Aslan of CNN, to co-opting of Jewish controlled media and academia willfully promoting anti-SDRE studies. There has been consistent promotion of "Scientific white trash" academic output with regards to tyrants like Aurangzeb all ably led by "so called professors" of friendly "jewish origin".

Many a sleeper cells like Tufail Ahmed, within the SDRE fraternity are all forced to truly reveal themselves when SDREs have just started to realize the plot. It is going to be a long haul, the nexus of chirslamic+commies+conditional jewish fraternity providing covering fire, the SDREs are going to be facing interesting times soon.

http://yournewswire.com/pope-trump-christian-islamic/

The readings and prayer came as Pope Francis met with Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Vatican City, a gathering designed to promote peace in the Middle East.

The Vatican also broadcasted a live feed of the event to viewers across the world.

(Straight from teaparty too: https://www.teapartycommunity.com/blog/ ... -readings/)