Aditya_V wrote:Rsangram-> We all want our land back, but to suggest we just walk in capture territory bit by bit is not practical and certainly not the cost our soldiers have to pay. At the LOC level Pakis are not puny. My anger is there at the whole system. The question is how do we handle it. The problem with the baggage of the past, LOC has got some sanctity in the minds of people and so called international people who all want a stick to beat us with and we are not yet strong enough to stick it to all of them.
What if we capture a few posts, Pakis will try to counterattack, this will escalate. We will first have to wipe out thier bases, road infrastructure leading to those posts. If we have to give back those posts due to international shenanigans then it is an absolute waste of soldiers lives. we will need to use Aircraft, artillery and whatever we got, that means it becomes a hot war and Pakis will shout Nuke threat and thier International friends and Termintes within India will force us to backdown. Hell many in this forum thought or still think Operation Parakram was a big failure completely ignoring Pakistani casualties. The Media has termed it a total failure. Forgetting the Pakis downhill skied and agreed for a Ceasefire after 15 years only because of thier casualties. J&K also got a respite as the Pakis took a few years to lick thier wounds. 10 Years after Parakram they are in a mood to escalate again. We need to carefully play our cards and hand them enough causualties and get our land back.
Aditya,
Read what you just wrote. "We are not yet strong enough to stick it to all of them". I think your ire is a little misdirected at people who EXPECT US TO BE STRONG ENOUGH BY NOW, to at least deal with Paki at all levels, if not with China or other powers. You are right, in that a) we are not strong enough, and 2) that given number 1, we cannot undertake a mission where we dont have much of a chance of success and will waste valuable lives, thereby treating our soldiers as fodder. But is it too much to expect that India be strong enough in 2017 or even in the past to be able to at least defend itself against Paki ? Think about it. Where is your outrage that we are not.
But where you are somewhat misplaced it is that you are not sympathetic to people to EXPECT US TO BE STRONG ENOUGH BY NOW. It is a very legitimate expectation and the fact that we are not, your ire should be directed at those, who are responsible for our weakness, not at someone suggesting that we should be strong enough by now. Also, where you are misplaced is that you think that just because some guys on this forum are demanding, even foolishly, if we accept your proposition for the sake of argument, that the Kleptocrats and thieves who run India will actually be compelled, propelled, prodded, goaded into action against Paki. You are giving too much credit to these Kleptos who rule India. These kleptos and thieves who rule India know that they have hollowed out the preparedness of Indian armed forces and will never embark in an adventure which they are sure to lose because then they risk their own positions. They will never risk their own positions otherwise, how will they continue their loot.
So our focus should not be, what we can immediately do, which I agree with you is not much.
Our focus should be, how we create a movement, in this forum and wherever we have influence, to single mindedly focus on creating ground conditions which will a) overthrow this system of kleptocracy that we have in place for the last 70 years - the rule of thieves which they thieves have convinced everyone that it is "Democracy" and b) how do we quickly start creating conditions for a medium and long term resurgence of our armed forces and restore them to their strength.
Focusing and dissing innocent citizens who may be ignorant but have the right instincts in terms of what we as Indians should do, is not the way to go.
For starters, WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE LIVING IN A KLEPTOCRACY - rule by thieves, which in the name of "democracy" is hollowing us out, militarily, economically, intellectually, emotionally, sociologically, societally, and in every other way, every minute of every day, of every week of every year of every decade or every century.
Then we can recognize like you do, that AT THE MOMENT OR IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE OR EVEN IN THE DISTANT FUTURE, IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS RULE OF THIEVES, WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION TO DEFEND OURSELVES, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE OUR LIVES, OUR TERRITORY, OUR SELF RESPECT.....
Then we can recognize the fact, that TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR US, AND THAT IF WE DONT OVERTHROW THIS SYSTEM OF KLPETOCRACY that we live under, pretty soon, in 50 to 100 years, India will become a MUSLIM MAJORITY country, and Muslim Majority invariably means, that within 10 to 20 years of any place becoming Muslim MAjority, the minority is either killed, converted or kicked out - so bye bye Hindu culture....
