Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - March 17, 2017

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2017 18:43

anupmisra wrote:Kaanspirashy theory number #1

Sirji
My Kaanspiracy theory is as follows:
1. Rule number one: All Pakistani Premiers except military dictators are RAA Agints. All civilians are scared of their fauj scheming against them and so turn to Indian intel for information on what went on. There is no love lost between the Civilians and the Faujis in Pakistan.
2. At least a few Crore kammandus are RAA agints, who pass on info about meetings to RAA for deposits in furrien banks.
3. Most Paki Fauji senior afsar corps are CIA Agints, and freely share intel with CIA guys, in return for many favours.
4. One can see that the civilians in Pakiland were very miffed with the fauj for the entire Kulbhushan Jadhav drama. Pakistani civilian government did not once say that what the fauj is saying is true. That in itself says a lot.
Further, Sartaj Aziz even went to the extent of saying that more proof is needed in Jadhav's case - that is as much as the civilians can say inside pakistan, without getting their heads chopped off by the ISI.
Everyone in Pakistan knows about the lies the fauj has dished out, and are in on it. They had a fun time watching the discomfiture of India. Now it is time for Karma to kick in.
5. The Pakistani civilians, including Nawaz Sharif didn't do much in this case. The court would have gone on and heard the case even in their absence and passed a judgement. The paki media is out with daggers drawn, that Nawaz allowed the case to be sent up to the ICJ and sent a lawyer - this is patently untrue.

6. There is an uneasy peace in Pakistan at the present time with a Pakjabi PM, a Qadiani COAS, and a possible Shia ISI Chief. Besides both the COAS and ISI chief are new at the job. The selections were made to ensure as minimum as possible interference so that Nawaz could be relelected.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 May 2017 18:48

Excerpts from the article posted by Anup Misra:

London-based Barrister Rashid Aslam says Pakistan was ill-prepared and did not utilise the 90 minutes it had to make its argument...but we wasted 40 minutes

Shame on UK-based Legal Type Rashid Alam to grumble about that other UK-based Legal Type, the bewigged Khawar Qureshi, given the oft repeated Pakistani conceit of one Mohammadden Pakistani being equal to 10 Hindu Indian’s which would result in the Islamic Republic Pakistan needing just 9 minutes of ICJ talk time to drive its point across rather than the 50 minutes the Islamic Republic actually used or the 90 minutes the Islamic Republic had available available

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Germany vs US 1982, Germans Karl-Heinz & Walter awarded death penalty. ICJ moved but US executed them

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan should be warned that any tactically brilliant moves like flouting the ICJ and executing Commander Jadhav will be dealt severely by India starting with the abrogation of the Indus Water Treaty and large scale storage dam building on the western rivers of the Indus System.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 May 2017 18:52

UN court stays Kulbhushan Jadhav hanging; Modi govt says will do everything to save him, Pakistan says ‘we don’t accept ICJ jurisdiction’

LIVE: UN court stays Kulbhushan Jadhav hanging; Modi govt says will do everything to save him, Pakistan says ‘we don’t accept ICJ jurisdiction’

The International Court of Justice said Pakistan cannot hang Kulbhushan Jadhav for now.

Presiding judge Ronny Abraham of France, center, reads the World Court's verdict in Kulbhushan Yadav case in The Hague, Netherlands.(AP Photo)

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) said on Thursday Pakistan cannot hang Kulbhushan Jadhav for now. The world court ordered Islamabad to give consular access to Jadhav.

“Pakistan shall take all measures to ensure that Jadhav is not hanged until a final decision by the court”, said ICJ judge Ronny Abraham.

“The circumstances of his arrest are in dispute... India should have been given consular access as per Vienna Convention”.

Pronouncing the court’s order, Abraham said the ICJ had jurisdiction in the matter.

Below are the live updates:

6.31pm: It’s a great vindication of India’s stand and the entire Indian team at The Hague deserves to be congratulated, says finance minister Arun Jaitley

6.09pm: Govt will do everything possible to save the life of Kulbhushan Jadhav, says ministry of external affairs

6.07pm: MEA hopes the ICJ provision order will hopefully address egregious violation of rights of Kulbhushan Jadhav in Pakistan.

6.05pm: ICJ order is unanimous and unambiguous, is essential first step in Kulbhshan Jadhav getting justice, says MEA at press briefing.

6.03pm: Pakistan must inform ICJ of all measures taken to implement its order: MEA

5.56pm: “We do not accept the jurisdiction of the ICJ in matters related to the national security of the country,” Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria was quoted as saying by the Dunya TV.

5.49pm: “Pakistan must learn from its own mistakes,” says Dalbir Kaur, sister of Sarabjit Singh who died in a Pakistan jail

Friends of Kulbhushan Jadhav celebrate in Mumbai on Thursday. (AP)
5.38pm: India is desperately tried to divert the world’s attention by presenting Kulbhushan’s case from a humanitarian angle, says Pakistan foreign ministry spokesperson

5.36pm:

5.15pm: India has been “trying to hide its real face” by taking Jadhav’s case to ICJ, says Pakistan foreign office spokesperson.

5.13pm: “It is a victory for India and a big blow for Pakistan,” says former defence minister AK Antony.

5.12pm: Head of Pakistan’s delegation at the ICJ, Moazzam Ahmad Khan, terms the order staying Jadhav’s execution as a “basic ruling”.

5:00pm: Finance minister Arun Jaitley praises former solicitor general Harish Slave, who represented India at the ICJ

Complete Text of the for the ICJ Order

Cheers

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 May 2017 18:55

Bart S wrote:
Gagan wrote:They already pointed that out yesterday. One of the judges is a yindoo. Will find and post the relevant video
Not only that, on one of the channels that extremist jihadi Oreo ~~maqbool~~cookie Jaan was blaming Ronny Abraham for admitting the case and being biased since 'he is an Egyptian Christian and hates the Islamic Brotherhood'

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Higher than Himalayas, Deeper than Indian Ocean, Sweeter than Honey, Stronger than Steel, As Close to Lips as Teeth, Iron Brother Peoples Republic of China also had a national who was one of the ICJ Judges hearing this case but yet did not dissent with India's position

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 May 2017 19:07

Guys, I got up at 5 AM my time here in US to watch the verdict, and watched with satisfaction. But then on one of the channels was that puke Mani Shankar Aiyar once again spinning in favor of his TSP handlers. And usual, no need to chest thump yada yada.

I hope that TimesNow, republic, newsx, India Today etc will go berserk and humiliate TSP. I know those pukes intently watch our media, and hope they get as many thappads as we can deliver

. And more importantly, equal # of thappads to our own traitors. I am pretty sure there is pale and gloom among KMs in the valley that their sugar daddy lost.

Interestingly, both USA and its TSP munna are on the same page. Both got thappaded by ICJ and both ignored and thumbed their noses with impunity.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 May 2017 19:11

Kulbhushan Yadav Case at ICJ :

Composition of the Court :

The Court was composed as follows: President Abraham; Judges Owada, Cançado Trindade, Xue, Donoghue, Gaja, Sebutinde, Bhandari, Robinson, Crawford, Gevorgian; Registrar Couvreur.

Judge Cançado Trindade appends a separate opinion to the Order of the Court;
Judge Bhandari appends a declaration to the Order of the Court.

Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2017 19:17

Money chancre is most probably guilty of Pee Pee contact in Pakistan and the ISI has the relevant pictorial and audio-visual details

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 May 2017 19:18

ICJ VERDICT ON KULBHUSHAN YADAV

Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2017 19:24

It is a victory for the truth: Kulbhushan Jadhav's brother on ICJ verdict

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplWccSXaWU

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2017 19:29

Has bakistan clearly won any case against India in an international court?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2017 19:35

Waiting to hear the next allegation from paki talk show hosts - Khawar Qureshi is a qadiani.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2017 19:41

I don't think so. In all court cases, there is usually some little scrap thrown to these beggers in the judgement. They take that little scrap and tom tom it within their country as a great victory, while the rest of the world including India laughs at them !!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2017 19:44

anupmisra wrote:Waiting to hear the next allegation from paki talk show hosts - Khawar Qureshi is a qadiani.

One anchor has already said that they could have caught hold of any ingliss ispeeking kid from Pindi and given him a draft to read out at ICJ. Why spend so much. Another anchor said, that he looted 500,000 pounds from Pakistan, while the Indian wakil took one Rs 1.

They will come out with all daggers drawn at the topi wala ingliss ispeeking wakil and Nawaz Sharif now.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 May 2017 21:15

X Posted on the PESW Thread

Experts divided as Pakistan’s current account deficit balloons 205%

KARACHI: Pakistan’s current account deficit widened by a massive 205% in the first 10 months (July-April) of the ongoing fiscal year, standing at $7.25 billion compared to $2.38 billion in the same period of the previous year, according to data released by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Wednesday.

With the difference between exports and imports being the biggest determinant of the current account balance, a deficit or surplus reflects whether a country is a net borrower or net lender with respect to the rest of the world.

The enormous increase in the deficit suggests the government has been unable to manage the balance of payments position over the period.

“I warned the government last year about the phenomenal rise in the current account deficit, but they said I was creating despondency,” said Dr Ashfaque Hasan Khan, an Islamabad-based economist.

My numbers stand vindicated, said Khan, adding that in November he predicted a current account deficit of $7.5 billion that would now reach slightly over $8 billion by the end of June 2017.

“I was not destabilising the government. Rather, I was presenting the true picture of the economy,” he stressed.

Analysts say the deficit is growing due to heavy debt servicing, recovering oil prices and weak exports.

However, according to some experts, there are many positives in the present situation as Pakistan’s economy is being led by investment instead of consumption.

The country is experiencing more outflows than inflows in the wake of the ongoing construction phase of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which needs heavy and sophisticated machinery for swift work.

Some experts believe the situation is expected to change once CPEC starts producing positive returns for the economy. Pakistan’s current account deficit in fiscal year 2015-16 stood at $3.39 billion. As a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP), the deficit rose to 2.7% in the first 10 months of 2016-17 as opposed to 1% in the same period of previous year.

Between July and April of fiscal year 2016-17, Pakistan exported goods worth $17.91 billion compared to exports valuing $18.15 billion in the comparable period of 2015-16, reflecting a year-on-year decrease of 1.3%.

However, total imports were valued at $37.85 billion as opposed to $32.76 billion in the comparable period of 2015-16, a significant increase of 15.5%.

Balance of trade in both goods and services at the end of first 10 months was recorded at a negative $22.25 billion compared with a deficit of $16.86 billion in the same period of the previous fiscal year.

Worker remittances amounted to $15.60 billion in Jul-Apr of 2016-17, down 2.8% from the same period of previous year, when they totalled $16.05 billion.

Remittances make up almost half of the import bill of Pakistan and cover the deficit in trade of goods account. Some experts believe that the slowdown in remittances is another worrying sign for the country.

Moreover, Pakistan has also been facing low levels of foreign direct investment (FDI) in recent years.

According to the Board of Investment, Pakistan received a record high FDI of $5.4 billion in fiscal year 2008, but since then the country has been struggling to touch even half of the milestone.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2017 21:23

gakakkad wrote:who is that joker pakee lawyer? why is he wearing that hideous wig ?

He is a hyena in sheep's wig.

Taking 500,000 pounds a legal fees from bankrupt Pakistan is only a hyena would do.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 18 May 2017 21:26

Indian lawyer takes Rs 1, and that colonial residue takes half a million pounds.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 May 2017 21:28

Govt faces backlash after ICJ stays Jadhav execution

Opposition parties on Thursday expressed their disapproval of the decision announced by the International Court of Justice in Kulbhushan Jadhav case, saying the government was not prepared to present the case.The International Court of Justice on Thursday ordered Pakistan not to execute Jadhav, an Indian naval officer convicted of espionage and terrorism.“Our lawyers weren’t prepared to defend the case,” said Shireen Mazari, chief whip of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI). “This whole game started when Jindal visited Pakistan. Everything was pre-planned,” (scoring political points to de-fame Nawaz's PML !)she added.Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) leader Sherry Rahman said the government did not raised the matter with the United Nations “despite PPP’s repeated demands”.The UN court ruled unanimously that Pakistan shouldn’t carry out the death penalty on Jadhav pending the outcome of a case filed by India alleging that Pakistan breached Jadhav’s right to consular assistance following his arrest last year. Jadhav was convicted in Pakistan and sentenced to death on April 10.“Pakistan shall take all measures at its disposal to ensure that Mr Jadhav is not executed,” court President Ronny Abraham said at a hearing in the ornate, wood-paneled Great Hall of Justice in The Hague.India’s External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj tweeted that the “ICJ order has come as a huge relief to the family of Kulbhushan Jadhav and people of India.” Every politician and the Aam Abduls and Ayeshas in Pakiland is blaming Ganja Sharif 's civilian Govt for the "defeat at ICJ". No one has the guts to blame the Paki Deep State and the Paki fauj for this disaster as they were "in control of Jadhav file "from A to Z

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 May 2017 21:33

Kulbhushan Yadav case: Pakistan Foreign Office official response surfaces

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Foreign Office official response has surfaced in the Kulbhushan Yadav case verdict in the ICJ.Pakistan does not accept the International Court of Justice's jurisdiction in matters related to national security, Foreign Office said after the UN court stayed the execution of Indian national Kulbhushan Yadav.

Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria also hit out at India, saying the country has been "trying to hide its real face" by taking the case of Yadav to ICJ.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2017 21:42

anupmisra wrote:Rising influence of Daesh in Balochistan,Sindh real challenge: CTD

One of Sindh’s top counter-terrorism institutions termed ultra extremist terrorist group — Islamic State (IS), commonly known as Daesh — a serious security challenge for the province, a real threat to Karachi in particular
“We term Sindh a ‘fertile growth area’ for IS. To nip this evil in the bud, we are raising a special security force to counter Daesh — over 1, 500 personnel are being trained by the military”
New Anti-IS (Daesh) policy came out as a result of a study where 14 jet-black terrorists who took part in the Safoora Goth bus attack, Karachi Airport attack and Mehran Airbase attack
They said, “We will join IS (Daesh) in Syria”
The CTD Sindh arrested some 373 jet-black terrorists who had affiliation with the banned outfits where some two dozen had enjoyed contact with the IS. “All [two dozen] were inspired by the IS — this network was getting stronger in the port city”
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/205107 ... llenge-CTD

So what is this new fad of jet black terrorists in TFTA Pakistan?

S Sridhar any insights?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2017 21:49

JE Menon wrote:I actually kind of feel sad for the Pakistanis. I really mean that. Most of them, while they have a visceral dislike for non-Muslims in general and hate for Hindus and Jews in particular, don't have a clue about what is going on around them, in neighbouring cities and provinces, let alone neighbouring countries and internationally. Note that I say "most" - not all. There are millions, perhaps between 10 and 20, who have a good idea of what is happening. But they are primarily of the group that have bought into the military dispensed koolaid. Net net, well over 80% of the population are being led down a path they are not ready for, they do not know if they want to take, and may reject if the implications are known. It is quite tragic to witness, in real-time, how a country can by systematically undermined and destroyed by its own leaders and state managers. In any case, whatever the leadership is dreaming of when they go through with this, a wake-up call is coming sooner or later. Probably sooner.

Jeez people, if this does not highlight the virtue of democracy - however flawed it may be - nothing does. Just read that Dawn leak again, line by line. It reads almost like a silent plea for help from the world.

Don't feel sad for the Pakistanis. They are utterly racists and deserve to be utterly defeated and destroyed.

Its a classic case of Koran based racism motivated behavior.

I have been reading tomes on US Civil War and realized that Atlanta, Georgia was the real center of the Southern Racism even though it was South Carolina that fired the first shot.

Gen Sherman burnt Atlanta to the ground to show the Southern planters that they are totally defeated.
The Soviets razed Berlin to show the Nazis the meaning of defeat.

I wait for the day when Indian Army burns Lahore for that is the center of Pakjabi arrogance in order to free the Pakistanis.

Leniency based on Pakistanis are people just like us has no place.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2017 21:50

Gagan, I think the Chinese GPS stations are to monitor the Pakis as China doesn't trust them.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 18 May 2017 22:16

Just a thought.
I think Pakis today are the crazy Pakis as we know them because Hindus exist. If the Arabs had managed to convert every Indian to Islam, then we would all be Muslims, so today's Pakis might not need to display their TFTA-ness like they feel they need to now. They would have toned down their crazy behavior somewhat.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 May 2017 22:29

KJo wrote:Just a thought.
I think Pakis today are the crazy Pakis as we know them because Hindus exist. If the Arabs had managed to convert every Indian to Islam, then we would all be Muslims, so today's Pakis might not need to display their TFTA-ness like they feel they need to now. They would have toned down their crazy behavior somewhat.

they have recognized Hindu resistance almost from the inception of islam itself.

their hatred of the Hindus is genetic.

Ghazwa-e-Hind refers to an indoctrinated view of a final apocalyptic war in which India will be conquered by a jihadi army. All soldiers of this army are guaranteed a place in heaven.
This term is freely used in jihadi circles and on the web, but is considered bizarre by others.

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 18 May 2017 23:07

Gagan wrote:Pakistani terrorists have been wanting to ditch GPS for ages, because massa passes on all information from their terrorists GPS sets to India, and these are used as evidence in a court of law. Like in 26/11, FBI, got the GPS and the Sat phones decoded from their offices in the USA.

Pakistan army must be looking to use Beidu ever since, to do terrorism.

That is a worrisome development. It is not if but when these pig turds show up with Chinese GPS units. What's the antidote to this?

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 18 May 2017 23:11

la.khan wrote:
Gagan wrote:Pakistani terrorists have been wanting to ditch GPS for ages, because massa passes on all information from their terrorists GPS sets to India, and these are used as evidence in a court of law. Like in 26/11, FBI, got the GPS and the Sat phones decoded from their offices in the USA.

Pakistan army must be looking to use Beidu ever since, to do terrorism.
That is a worrisome development. It is not if but when these pig turds show up with Chinese GPS units. What's the antidote to this?

Presence of GPS units mostly just has PR value. With Chinese GPS units (which only they and the Chinese use) they will just be painting a bigger target on their backs with the Chinese involvement becoming openly visible as a bonus for us to exploit.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 18 May 2017 23:13

KJo wrote:Just a thought.
I think Pakis today are the crazy Pakis as we know them because Hindus exist. If the Arabs had managed to convert every Indian to Islam, then we would all be Muslims, so today's Pakis might not need to display their TFTA-ness like they feel they need to now. They would have toned down their crazy behavior somewhat.

Then they would have moved to kill themselves.
Had what you're saying true, '71 would not have happened. Porkistan would have been the most peaceful place and middle east would have been been one giant country

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 18 May 2017 23:22

ArjunPandit wrote:
KJo wrote:Just a thought.
I think Pakis today are the crazy Pakis as we know them because Hindus exist. If the Arabs had managed to convert every Indian to Islam, then we would all be Muslims, so today's Pakis might not need to display their TFTA-ness like they feel they need to now. They would have toned down their crazy behavior somewhat.
Then they would have moved to kill themselves.
Had what you're saying true, '71 would not have happened. Porkistan would have been the most peaceful place and middle east would have been been one giant country

nor the extermination of Ahmadiyas and Shias.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 May 2017 23:27

gakakkad wrote:who is that joker pakee lawyer? why is he wearing that hideous wig ?

ramana wrote:He is a hyena in sheep's wig.

Taking 500,000 pounds a legal fees from bankrupt Pakistan is only a hyena would do.

ramana Ji :

Seemingly Khawar Qureshi works out of McNair Chambers QFC in Qatar :

McNair Chambers QFC – International Commercial Lawyers
Address: 5th Floor, Tatweer Tower, Diplomatic Area, West Bay, P.O.Box: 23939,
Doha - Qatar
Head of Chambers: Khawar Qureshi QC
T: +974 4491 1404
F: +974 4491 1407
E-mail: office@mcnairchambers.com

You have E-Mail.

Cheers

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 18 May 2017 23:36

Bart S wrote:
la.khan wrote: That is a worrisome development. It is not if but when these pig turds show up with Chinese GPS units. What's the antidote to this?
Presence of GPS units mostly just has PR value. With Chinese GPS units (which only they and the Chinese use) they will just be painting a bigger target on their backs with the Chinese involvement becoming openly visible as a bonus for us to exploit.

Ok. But how do we decode/decrypt these Chinese handheld units? We cannot expect any Chinese help in this regard; this will protect their munna.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 May 2017 00:02

by La.khan Gagan wrote:
Pakistani terrorists have been wanting to ditch GPS for ages, because massa passes on all information from their terrorists GPS sets to India, and these are used as evidence in a court of law. Like in 26/11, FBI, got the GPS and the Sat phones decoded from their offices in the USA.

Pakistan army must be looking to use Beidu ever since, to do terrorism.

That is a worrisome development. It is not if but when these pig turds show up with Chinese GPS units. What's the antidote to this?

The logical next step is to test a destruction of an enemy satellite in space. Do we have any such projects? Any Mumbai type raid using Chinese GPS should lead us to destruction of Chinese GPS satellite in space.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 19 May 2017 00:03

Bart S wrote:Presence of GPS units mostly just has PR value. With Chinese GPS units (which only they and the Chinese use) they will just be painting a bigger target on their backs with the Chinese involvement becoming openly visible as a bonus for us to exploit.

la.khan wrote:Ok. But how do we decode/decrypt these Chinese handheld units? We cannot expect any Chinese help in this regard; this will protect their munna.

la.khan Ji :
One could always try the Taiwanese.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 May 2017 00:17

KJo wrote:Just a thought.
I think Pakis today are the crazy Pakis as we know them because Hindus exist. If the Arabs had managed to convert every Indian to Islam, then we would all be Muslims, so today's Pakis might not need to display their TFTA-ness like they feel they need to now. They would have toned down their crazy behavior somewhat.

Please don't post such thoughts in the Strat Forum.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 May 2017 00:40

Some reality is sinking in after the loss. Analyst says that there are whispers that we took his confession by coercion, and the ICJ didn't take the confession video into account
Further, that nawaz sharif signed some document with the UN / ICJ a week before the case was filed, bringing this under ICJs purview

https://youtu.be/tU2RObzcGr4

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 19 May 2017 00:53

Pakistan will accept ICJ's decision on Kulbhushan Jadhav, says Punjab minister

LAHORE: Pakistan's Punjab province Law Minister Rana Sanaullah today said Islamabad would accept the decision of the International Court of Justice on the Indian prisoner on death row Kulbhushan Jadhav.

His statement was in conflict with that of the foreign office which said Pakistan does not accept ICJ's jurisdiction in matters related to the national security.

"We will accept the decision of ICJ on Kulbhushan," Sanaullah told reporters at the Punjab Assembly.

"Although Kulbhushan's case does not fall in the jurisdiction of the ICJ but Pakistan accepts its decision," he said.

The minister further said Pakistan has strong evidence of Kulbhushan's involvement in espionage.

Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had said India has been "trying to hide its real face" by taking the case of Jadhav to ICJ.

"The real face of India will be exposed before the world," he told the state-run Pakistan Television.

Jadhav, 46, has confessed his crimes of sabotage, terrorism and subversion activities not only once but twice, he said.

Zakaria said Pakistan has already informed the ICJ that it does not accept its jurisdiction in matters related to the national security.

On the other hand, opposition parties in Pakistan blamed Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for securing 'relief' to alleged Indian spy Jadhav.

"Indian industrialist Sajjan Jandil's secret meeting with Sharif in Murree (a hill resort near Islamabad) paid off. It was outcome of post-Jindal visit. The game of Sharifs-India was on. We could have withdrawn our consent to automatic acceptance of ICJ jurisdiction," Imran Khan's Pakistan Tahreek Insaf senior leader ~~Shireen Mazari~~ Madam Jalebi said.

"We did not explain our appeal and review system to show there was no urgency - we simply said Kulbhushan would be executed in August 2017. We did not prepare our case at all once. We decided to go before ICJ so we lost on each point raised by India including urgency of matter," she said.

~~Mizari~~ Jalebi said more shocking part is that Pakistan's case was actually argued by Director General South Asia of MFA Dr Muhammad Faisal despite presence of lawyers. Methinks he is the one in the Video with a Sheep on his head.

Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 May 2017 00:56

Pakistanis need to tell the truth to their countrymen:
1. About the jurisdiction of the ICJ.
They have jurisdiction, & if Pakistan had not sent in their advocate there, the case would still have been heard in their absence.
If it were as easy as sending a letter to the ICJ and telling them that they won't attend or that they question ICJs jurisdiction, then the ICJ would have shut shop a long time ago. One of the parties in every dispute can easily write a letter to the ICJ refusing to attend or to allow them to hear the matter.

2. Kulbhushan Jadav was kidnapped by the Taliban / Kidnapping ring of robbers / ransom gang, and sold to the ISI. The ISI then proceeded to try and embarass India and do some cheap point scoring on the issue. They were trying to use KJ as a bargaining chip. Counsellar access was being denied for two reasons - to hide the fact that the poor man has been badly tortured, and to prevent their concocted story from leaking out.
Even now, the ISI will try and prevent their concocted lie from leaking out

The civilian govt in Pakistan was against this, because they were dropping hints that this cock and bull story being spinned by the fauj & ISPR won't sell. That is why Sartaj Aziz said that there needed to be more proof, and Nawaz reluctantly agreed to have the dossier delivered to the UN Secy Gen's office, so that people could be fooled into keeping quiet. What was the secy gen going to do with that dossier hain ji? He can't do anything with it - all tamasha for domestic consumption!

3. Pakistanis need to repeat after me, " All pakistani Army Chiefs are big fools and bring nothing but trouble to their country with their misadventures"
These fools have dragged pakistan from one disaster to the next with their actions. If the people of Pakistan don't neuter their Army, they will lose their nation.
The current problem is Raheel Sharif's creation. He has set this thing in motion without thinking it through and now is retired and cooling his heels with a cushy overseas job, minting millions. Meanwhile Pakistan is being shamed in every news outlet in the world.

Mark my words
The chinese will eat pakistan alive! I am not joking. Pakistan will be under so much debt, that the poverty they see around them now will seem like paradise. They will all become malnourished like north korea, and their Army along with China will impose a martial law like situation on them to control them. The little freedoms they have now will come to an end, they will have three swords hanging over their heads - that of rabid islamism, the pakistani army and the chinese nation and their army

Heed my advise all you pak lurkers, your future is really at stake here !

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 19 May 2017 02:39

la.khan wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Presence of GPS units mostly just has PR value. With Chinese GPS units (which only they and the Chinese use) they will just be painting a bigger target on their backs with the Chinese involvement becoming openly visible as a bonus for us to exploit.
Ok. But how do we decode/decrypt these Chinese handheld units? We cannot expect any Chinese help in this regard; this will protect their munna.

What do we get by decrypting it? Perhapse we learn about infiltration routes, but other than that, what? We already know where they came from and who sent them. And having or not having the GPS trail isn't going to make the US or anybody else openly take our side the way that we want. So really it is inconsequential in the bigger scheme of things, and there is a possibility to use it to our advantage. As I mentioned, it will just result in bad PR for the Chinese and more importantly will help convince at least a small portion of our gullible aam janta who read and watch media run by JNU 'intellectuals' of the reality of the Chinese threat.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 May 2017 02:45

Very true,
But the law of the land needs these legal proofs to convict.
These also give us coordinates of safe houses, terror training camps, collusion with Pak Fauj etc, quite important from the legal standpoint if u look at it that way.

One way to deter pakistan is to threaten annihalation by all out war. But individuals in the ISI and Pak Army all of them hope to travel and settle internationally post retirement. If one can link hard evidence against any such person, they will be left to rot in Pakistan.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 19 May 2017 02:45

Gagan wrote:Some reality is sinking in after the loss. Analyst says that there are whispers that we took his confession by coercion, and the ICJ didn't take the confession video into account

Pakis of all hues truly live in a delusional mind space given that most of the think that Jadhav's 'confession' is credible proof that can convict him in anything other than a kangaroo court. Police confessions by a person without access to a lawyer or fair and open hearing is likely to be rejected by virtually any justice system in a civilized country.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 May 2017 02:47

For example, the Pak Army personnel involved in 26/11.
These guys are identified, and won't step outside Pakistan, for fear of being arrested and tried internationally or worse assasinated.
They are like rats, trapped with their families inside Pakistan

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 19 May 2017 02:52

Peregrine wrote:Pakistan will accept ICJ's decision on Kulbhushan Jadhav, says Punjab minister

Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had said India has been "trying to hide its real face" by taking the case of Jadhav to ICJ.

"The real face of India will be exposed before the world," he told the state-run Pakistan Television.

Jadhav, 46, has confessed his crimes of sabotage, terrorism and subversion activities not only once but twice, he said.

Zakaria said Pakistan has already informed the ICJ that it does not accept its jurisdiction in matters related to the national security.

On the other hand, opposition parties in Pakistan blamed Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for securing 'relief' to alleged Indian spy Jadhav.

By that logic it should be equally credible if the denied it twice, and if he denied it 3 times he should be acquitted. The idiots having lived in their own bubble for so long think that the rest of the world would believe such rubbish without any fricking evidence being shown.