Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 27 Apr 2017 17:28

Tata to supply 3,192 units of Safari Storme to Indian Army

http://www.team-bhp.com/news/tata-suppl ... ndian-army

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 28 Apr 2017 14:48

^^^ First day on the job

lol sorry couldnt resist

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 28 Apr 2017 15:10

^^ It's a function of tire pressure, tire type and torque. From the specs, seems like Storme has very good torque.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 28 Apr 2017 15:43

No sure where to put it so posting it here:

This app is apprently from Akshay Kumar..

Loving this app!Get this awesome app from: https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... aratkeveer

Hopefully the contribution will go miles and will give some satisfaction about contributing to worthy cause.

Esp CRPF who dont get covered under OROP.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Apr 2017 10:01

rkhanna wrote:^^^ First day on the job lol sorry couldnt resist

The Indian army selects vehicles for several good reasons - and ability to service "on the road" is one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNgixDty-0

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Apr 2017 10:14

ashish raval wrote:No sure where to put it so posting it here:

This app is apprently from Akshay Kumar..

Loving this app!Get this awesome app from: https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... aratkeveer

Hopefully the contribution will go miles and will give some satisfaction about contributing to worthy cause.

Esp CRPF who dont get covered under OROP.

The IA guys get to go home at 38 or so but the CRPF guys go on till much longer, closer to 60 I think. So their total take home over the longer period is much more.

They draw full pay and allowances for approx 22 years more than the IA guys.

That's quite a chunk of change.

This govt has shortchanged the Forces on the OROP front.

li and Modi have played fast and loose with various definitions of OROP, when there already exists a clear cut and accepted parliament of India definition of OROP.

They relied entirely on semantics to f(uk the soldiers, by illegally altering a parliament approved definition of OROP. They are currently fighting the forces in the SC, really the Modi govt has gone to the SC against it's own soldiers for the nth time, just like the previous govt also did numerous times.

Really good going from Modi on one of his prominent election promises.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 29 Apr 2017 14:03

shiv wrote:
rkhanna wrote:^^^ First day on the job lol sorry couldnt resist
The Indian army selects vehicles for several good reasons - and ability to service "on the road" is one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNgixDty-0

lol i was just making light of the picture nothing more sir. I read the post on IA selecting the Storme and saw the picture elsewhere on the same day and chuckled. Slow day at work.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 04 May 2017 20:26

They've shafted the military once again with the Pay Commission. Now bureaucrats can draw higher disability pensions than men in uniform. Jai Jawan indeed!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 May 2017 23:05

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... rmy-chief/

Strengthen military, look for new allies to tackle Pakistan, China: Army chief

NEW DELHI: The armed forces are not getting their due share of resources, Army chief General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday, pitching for increased defence spending to enhance India's strategic clout.Amid mounting tensions with Pakistan and China, Rawat insisted on the country looking for new friends and allies to deal with neighbours along the western and northern borders, apparently referring to the two nations.Pitching for investing more in strengthening India's armed forces, Rawat, addressing a defence think-tank, spoke of China to drive home the point that India's true potential will be realised only when both economic growth and might of the military go hand-in-hand."While we are developing our economy, the military is not getting its due share. I think here we need to draw a lesson from China," he said, adding military and economic growth should be "co-joint" as they are two tenets of national power.India's defence budget for 2017-18 was Rs 2.74 lakh crore which is 1.63 per cent of GDP. China's military spending for 2017 has been pegged at $152 billion, which is close to around three per cent of the country's GDP and three times higher than that of India's defence budget.
There has been a feeling among security experts and the defence establishment that the modernisation of armed forces is taking place at a very slow pace and that the government has not been allocating adequate funds for it.Talking about the evolving security situation in the region, General Rawat said India must have close ties with countries like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan considering the security matrix. He said such a policy will recreate the outreach India had before partition.The army chief said such a strategy will not only create a two-pronged dilemma for India's western neighbour Pakistan, but also help in tackling issues with the other difficult northern neighbour China."We have to start looking at how do we carry out counter-encirclement for our future adversaries. Developing alliances, developing friends to overcome the (current) deficiency is important. That must be part of our strategic thought process," he said.The army chief said that time has come for India to have a say in all major issues at the United Nations and the country must work hard to attain permanent membership of the UN Security Council."We must create alliances and friends also so that we find a rightful place at the UNSC. Time has come for India to have a say in all that happens in UN," he said.Referring to India's security challenges, General Rawat said the drafts of national military strategy and national security strategy were ready to deal with pressing issues coherently.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 05 May 2017 13:33

Army should also draw a lesson from China and reduce their import craving. Everyone is big on giving lessons to tax payer.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 20 May 2017 18:33

Army wants its own 'mini Air Force', pitches for heavy-duty attack helicopters
[quote]NEW DELHI: The Army has now strongly revived its old quest for a "mini air force" of its own, in a move that has been bitterly opposed by the IAF in the past.

The force wants three squadrons of heavy-duty attack helicopters, among other choppers, for its three primary "strike" corps geared for rapid armoured thrusts into enemy territory.
For starters, the 1.3-million strong Army is seeking the government's approval for acquisition of 11 Apache attack helicopters from the US as "a follow-on contract" to the earlier Rs 13,952 crore deal inked for 22 such choppers for the IAF+ .

"The procurement proposal is likely to be considered by the defence acquisitions council (DAC) in its meeting to be chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday," said a defence ministry source.
The Army is in a hurry because the "50% repeat order option", with the same terms and conditions, can be exercised only till September 28 since the original contract was inked on that date in 2015.
One part of that "hybrid" deal had been inked with Boeing for the choppers, while the other for its weapons, radars and electronic warfare suites was signed with the US government. Apart from the 22 Apaches to be delivered to IAF from July 2019 onwards, the contract also involves acquisition of 812 AGM-114L-3 Hellfire Longbow missiles, 542 AGM-114R-3 Hellfire-II missiles, 245 Stinger Block I-92H missiles and 12 AN/APG-78 fire-control radars.

Even during the procurement process for the 22 Apaches, the Army had demanded their "ownership and control" because helicopter gunships are used as the "air manoeuvre arm" of ground forces to target enemy infantry and tanks the world over.
India inked Rs 8,048 crore deal for 15 Chinooks in Sept 2015. CH-47F Chinook is a heavy-lift helicopter, used for long-haul troop movements, logistics and recovery operations.
The Army believes it should have "full command and control" over "tactical air assets" for rapid deployment along with its strike corps, while the IAF should concentrate on its "larger strategic role".

The IAF, in turn, had contended it should retain all attack and medium-lift helicopters because it would be "very expensive" if the Army duplicated efforts and resources by getting its own "little air force".

Restrictions imposed in three areas of Srinagar
The then UPA government had ruled that the first 22 Apaches would go to IAF to add to its two existing, but ageing, squadrons of Russian-origin Mi-25/35 attack helicopters. But it also held "future" procurements of attack helicopters would be for the Army, granting "in principle approval" to its case for raising three squadrons (13 choppers each) for the strike formations - 1 Corps (Mathura), 2 Corps (Ambala) and 21 Corps (Bhopal).

"Army Aviation Corps, raised in 1986, has over 250 Chetak/Cheetah light choppers and Dhruv advanced light helicopters. It should also get attack helicopters now since their control by IAF is a sub-optimal arrangement," said a senior officer.
The Army's long-term plans include three helicopter squadrons (armed/attack, reconnaissance and tactical lift) each for all its 14 corps as well as "a flight" of five fixed-wing aircraft each for its six regional or operational commands.
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abhik · Post by **abhik** » 20 May 2017 22:45

China's military spending is not 3% of their GDP as stated, if you go by the official or even some unofficial numbers. In fact as per some sources our expenditure as a ration of GDP is more than China's.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 May 2017 07:05

Gyan wrote:Army should also draw a lesson from China and reduce their import craving. Everyone is big on giving lessons to tax payer.

You could pass this message on to the army chief next time you meet him no?

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 21 May 2017 12:25

Thx will do!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 May 2017 13:04

anjan wrote:They've shafted the military once again with the Pay Commission. Now bureaucrats can draw higher disability pensions than men in uniform. Jai Jawan indeed!

post 2006 no bureaucrat gets *any* pension. please do not spread half-a$$ed rumours.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 22 May 2017 23:22

Major Gogoi, who tied Kashmiri local to jeep, awarded by Gen. Rawat

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 715_1.html

Major Leetul Gogoi, the Army officer who tied a man to the bonnet of a jeep as a 'human shield' against a stone-pelting mob in Jammu and Kashmir, has been awarded by Chief of Army Staff's (COAS) Commendation Card for his sustained distinguished service till now in counter-insurgency operations in the state.

He has been performing his counter insurgency duties for more than a year with the 53 Rashtriya Rifles Battalion in Jammu and Kashmir.

Gogoi belongs to the Army Supply Corps of the Indian Army.

The officer was awarded by Army chief Gen. Bipin Rawat during his recent visit to Jammu and Kashmir.

Major Gogoi was in the spotlight after a video shot during the April 9 Srinagar Lok Sabha by-polls, posted on the social media, showed a man tied on the bonnet of an Army jeep in Jammu and Kashmir's Badgam.

The video went viral and sparked a major controversy, with one faction condemning the Army's action while the other commended their ingenuity.

The Court of Inquiry regarding April 9 incident is under finalisation.

While awarding the officer, all factors including notable performance of the officer and overall emerging indicators of the Court of Inquiry have been well-considered.

(This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.)

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 May 2017 06:31

Major Gogoi ended a very tense and dangerous situation without firing a single shot. For this he deserves more than his Chief's commendation card but even the commendation card sends out a loud and clear message that for once we don't have a desh drohi Govt in charge.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 May 2017 16:56

punj llyod - IMI plant to make israeli small arms in malanpur, UP

https://www.facebook.com/cnbctv18india/ ... 993985028/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2017 20:52

Turns out the miscreant who was tied to the jeep was the ring leader for the local stone pelters.

Burkha bibi et al spread the lie that he was returning voter who had just voted.

No indelible marks on his hands!

gauravsh · Post by **gauravsh** » 23 May 2017 23:28

Somehow i don't feel comfortable with putting him in front of the cameras and giving explanation. It seems we are trying to give justification to something which was a purely operational necessity. If it had to be somebody, army spokesperson should have been the appropriate official.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 23 May 2017 23:37

gauravsh wrote: Somehow i don't feel comfortable with putting him in front of the cameras and giving explanation. It seems we are trying to give justification to something which was a purely operational necessity. If it had to be somebody, army spokesperson should have been the appropriate official.

True. Given what happened to Lt. Ummer Fayaz, any armyman in Kashmir appearing in front of a news camera should cover his face.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 24 May 2017 00:01

^^That's exactly what they want, and why we should be open like in that video. No Army man should have to cover his face out of such fear. Spl forces, of course are a different story.

gauravsh · Post by **gauravsh** » 24 May 2017 00:12

^^ My point was about trying to provide a justification. Its not the responsibility of the mentioned officer to justify his action to the media. He did his job. And its plain stupidity if our own officers have to cover themselves in their own country.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 24 May 2017 00:15

They are not covering themselves. It is sharing the story from the horse's mouth. We should get ready for a more open (save for operational secrecy needs) discourse about the incidents.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 24 May 2017 00:34

gauravsh wrote:^^ My point was about trying to provide a justification. Its not the responsibility of the mentioned officer to justify his action to the media. He did his job. And its plain stupidity if our own officers have to cover themselves in their own country.

+10 for the simple reason that India isn't a 'sanitized' country...

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 24 May 2017 00:56

ramana wrote:Turns out the miscreant who was tied to the jeep was the ring leader for the local stone pelters.

Burkha bibi et al spread the lie that he was returning voter who had just voted.

No indelible marks on his hands!

Resident of a town 20km away. Who gets a polling booth so far from home?

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 24 May 2017 03:02

arshyam wrote:^^That's exactly what they want, and why we should be open like in that video. No Army man should have to cover his face out of such fear. Spl forces, of course are a different story.

Nice
Never ever start this shite in the Republic of India.
Pakistanis should hide their faces when they front up to the cameras.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 24 May 2017 03:06

Also, this is the GOIs very open middle finger to the JNU and influence peddling crowd about how much their opinion matters. That the IA has the GOIs support and the state stands as one. Its a very powerful message to the IA rank and file as well, who have long been used to venal politicians.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 24 May 2017 04:00

gauravsh wrote: Somehow i don't feel comfortable with putting him in front of the cameras and giving explanation. It seems we are trying to give justification to something which was a purely operational necessity. If it had to be somebody, army spokesperson should have been the appropriate official.

Watching this video sort of reminds me of the commentary after a successful PSLV launch- this is 'Parfamance naarmal'.

The fact that the major was allowed to speak directly to the media indicates his actions have full support of IA and GOI; and future stone pelters know what's coming for them. It is rare for a serving soldier (who is not a PR officeer or a senior officer) allowed to address media directly.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 May 2017 04:06

SriKumar wrote:
gauravsh wrote: Somehow i don't feel comfortable with putting him in front of the cameras and giving explanation. It seems we are trying to give justification to something which was a purely operational necessity. If it had to be somebody, army spokesperson should have been the appropriate official.
Watching this video sort of reminds me of the commentary after a successful PSLV launch- this is 'Parfamance naarmal'.

The fact that the major was allowed to speak directly to the media indicates his actions have full support of IA and GOI; and future stone pelters know what's coming for them. It is rare for a serving soldier (who is not a PR officeer or a senior officer) allowed to address media directly.

Good to see Indian Army still trains its officers to have the right stuff. Jai Hind to the young major.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 May 2017 04:09

Singha wrote:punj llyod - IMI plant to make israeli small arms in malanpur, UP

https://www.facebook.com/cnbctv18india/ ... 993985028/

MII or Philips head?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 May 2017 06:37

gauravsh wrote:^^ My point was about trying to provide a justification. Its not the responsibility of the mentioned officer to justify his action to the media. He did his job. And its plain stupidity if our own officers have to cover themselves in their own country.

In general I agree. But in this case it was a propaganda coup and I expect opponents to be squirming like cockroaches do seconds after you spray them with "Baygon Cockroach Vanishior"

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 24 May 2017 09:43

speaking of Coup. here is coupta's take on it.

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account
@ShekharGupta

Unprecedented & welcome, the Army letting Maj Gogoi give his story. Can't discount a young officer caught in a do-or-die-or-massacre fix

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 May 2017 11:34

Is it lost on the people here that officer is from north-east? That's a bigger middle finger to every d1ck-head out there.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 24 May 2017 13:28

Lt. Gen. Hasnain and many others have advocated the need for IA to become agile in information warfare. A soldier in 2017 is expected to be a super(man/woman), who is as soft as a mother to her children, as ferocious as a tiger hunting for food, as secretive as a submarine but as clever in marketing as FMCG. One wrong step and there is a barrage for decisive action against the error.

No amount of Raksha Mantri speeches or PM speeches would have discredited the stonepelter mobs in the country better than this person presenting his story while doing his duty. How many can imagine going through such life and death situation as part of their daily job (probably police, medicos are some exceptions)?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 May 2017 15:10

rohitvats wrote:Is it lost on the people here that officer is from north-east? That's a bigger middle finger to every d1ck-head out there.

ofcourse i could make out from the surname but chose not to mention it. they all serve the nation equally, wherever they may hail from.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 24 May 2017 15:19

prahaar wrote:
No amount of Raksha Mantri speeches or PM speeches would have discredited the stonepelter mobs in the country better than this person presenting his story while doing his duty. How many can imagine going through such life and death situation as part of their daily job (probably police, medicos are some exceptions)?

Indeed. There's a mob of several hundred people surrounding an office, armed with stones and petrol bombs and a call comes and you are expected to go in and extract several civilians and police from the middle of this mob. He said he went in with 4 (5?) of his boys to tackle the situation. To catch the person of interest, they had to step out of the protection of their vehicle (and face the wrath of the crowd).

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 24 May 2017 19:17

so far the critics haven't provided what was the alternate choice in those circumstances

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 24 May 2017 23:19

rohitvats wrote:Is it lost on the people here that officer is from north-east? That's a bigger middle finger to every d1ck-head out there.

Not only that, he came up thru the ranks to become an officer. A big FU to the elitist wine sipping libtards like Sagarika, Burkha and A-Dhoti.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 May 2017 00:34

And Suhasini Haider chilling in balmy Chennai