India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 01 Jun 2017 09:48

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/GXNeTx ... trike.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jun 2017 10:21

Paki do not know now where LOC starts or end and being caught Pig in head light.

Pathik · Post by **Pathik** » 01 Jun 2017 10:22

Thakur_B wrote:http://www.livemint.com/Politics/GXNeTx ... trike.html

cheers

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 01 Jun 2017 12:01

https://twitter.com/republic/status/870134949302607874 >># Entire top brass of Indian Army except the Vice Chief is in Srinagar today for a routine meeting

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Jun 2017 12:12

Prem wrote:Paki do not know now where LOC starts or end and being caught Pig in head light.

You shall be banned for life for insulting Pigs.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jun 2017 12:22

Amber G. wrote:https://twitter.com/republic/status/870134949302607874 >># Entire top brass of Indian Army except the Vice Chief is in Srinagar today for a routine meeting

Looks like another big jhappad on the way for the TSP-ians

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 01 Jun 2017 12:31

While the Army did not officially clarify this, it stated that assaults were part of a “routine exercise.”

“These are routine things. They keep happening. Things have not escalated because it’s part of a routine exercise,” Army spokesperson Ashok Narula said.

Entire top brass of Indian Army except the Vice Chief is in Srinagar today for a routine meeting

Soon the pakis will start shitting bricks when they hear the word "routine"

Make 'Routine' IA's 'Parfaarmans Naarmal'!!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jun 2017 13:09

^^Loving how IA is now openly putting out press statements that SF crossed over and killed uniformed TSPA as part of "pre-emption". And to rub it in, is calling it routinue.

TSPA is sure in for a lot of TLC from IA in the coming days as this turns the new normal

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Jun 2017 13:30

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Jun 2017 16:52

Same news but viewed from the terrorists' (and their ISI handlers') perspective):

Indian troops martyr two more Kashmiri youth in "IoK" (sic)

Kashmir Media Service...data issued by the Research Section of Kashmir Media Service...

Indian troops have martyred 28 Kashmiris during the last month of May

The killings rendered nine women widowed and 33 children orphaned

The troops also damaged 120 residential houses and disgraced 59 women during the month

Someone is working double shift to keep a tally. However, the analytical report does not mention that 2016 houris found new employment.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/20798 ... uth-in-IoK

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Jun 2017 16:55

Edit - wrong thread.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Jun 2017 16:57

Edit - wrong thread.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 01 Jun 2017 18:24

anumisra, Please keep to Border Watch (security and Operations) only in this thread. Plenty of other threads for these news. Thanks.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 01 Jun 2017 19:04

Republic‏ @republic
#BREAKING: Five Pak Soldiers killed, six injured by Indian Army in retaliatory firing along the LoC: Sources

Republic‏ @republic
#BREAKING: Indian Envoy summoned by Pakistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Deputy High Commissioner JP Singh summoned over LoC firing

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jun 2017 19:05

Is this a new scorecard or older one?

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 01 Jun 2017 19:12

^^ Seems like today's score..

There were news items referring to indiscriminate small arms and mortar fire from the pigs targeting Indian posts, they were probably retaliating for the painful dispatch of the BAT pigs.. Guess IA hit back and hit hard..

The SF boys and the gunners must be sporting a broad grin these days

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 01 Jun 2017 19:22

There's more

ABP News‏@abpnewstv
India guns down 5 Pakistan soldiers in Bimbar, Battal sector near LoC
http://www.abplive.in/live-tv

So 5 each in two different sectors.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Jun 2017 19:22

10 today then in total.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 01 Jun 2017 19:29

I am beginning to lose count

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 01 Jun 2017 19:40

Karthik S wrote:10 today then in total.

As I understand, yes. Because the first retaliatory firing was in Poonch sector where we lost 1 civilian from the General Reserve Engineering Force (GREF).

Apparently there was firing in Rajouri sector as well and Bhimber may have been our retaliation

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jun 2017 19:57

Security forces seem on overdrive last few days.
Read a report about 2 HM guys who threw a grenade yesterday and both hallaled today.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 01 Jun 2017 20:21

sum wrote:Security forces seem on overdrive last few days.
Read a report about 2 HM guys who threw a grenade yesterday and both hallaled today.

Terrorists killed in Sopore linked with Hizbul Mujahideen: J&K DGP

Srinagar: Two militants, who were killed by security forces in an encounter in Baramulla district's Sopore area on Thursday, belonged to Hizbul Mujahideen and were behind an attack on a police party.

"Yesterday, a grenade attack was carried out on a police deployment party in Sopore town in which four policemen were injured," Director General of Police, Jammu and Kashmir, SP Vaid told reporters here.

"The description of assailants and CCTV footage helped in identifying and arresting two persons, including one who had hurled the grenade at the police party," the DGP said.

Vaid said during interrogation, the arrested persons provided information about the hideout of the militants at whose behest they had carried out the attack.

"The security forces laid a cordon around the area. As they were closing in on the house where the militants were hiding, they opened fire. The security forces retaliated leading to death of the two militants," the DGP said.

He said both slain militants were locals and belonged to the Hizbul Mujahdieen.

"They have been identified as Aijaz and Basharat," he added.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 01 Jun 2017 20:40

What I find really interesting with current conditions is that just a few years back Hizbul was almost a dead group and most of the terrorists belonged to LeT. For some reason, LeT is now completely out of limelight , more so after it became JuD. Seems like most of it's infrastructure and personnel have been transferred to HM now.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Jun 2017 20:47

Kashi wrote:
Karthik S wrote:10 today then in total.
As I understand, yes. Because the first retaliatory firing was in Poonch sector where we lost 1 civilian from the General Reserve Engineering Force (GREF).

Apparently there was firing in Rajouri sector as well and Bhimber may have been our retaliation

Nice hunting, IIRC the count was 30 till today morning, so it's 40 over all uniformed and non-uniformed jihadis till now.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Jun 2017 20:53

TIMES NOW‏Verified account @TimesNow 3h3 hours ago
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) network busted in Bandipore district, Jammu & Kashmir; 5 operatives arrested, large cache of arms seized

We have gone over drive. This time 5 arrested, will be squeaking soon.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jun 2017 20:58

Guddu wrote:I am beginning to lose count

200 infiltrators are waiting to enter India as per India Today report. So plenty more to meet their 72. Plus the army & police have 12 people marked in J&K. J&K border is going to see activity.

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 01 Jun 2017 21:12

The speed at which we are neutralising means, we have good intel.
If its human intel its good. It will keep coming.
Also the politicos and hurriat are unable to protect their guys.
All good signs to destroy the terrorism.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 01 Jun 2017 21:32

Is there any reason why we cannot use the Garuda or Garuthma from well within our borders to take out these camps in pok? I would not call it an escalation just normal routine exercise. It will exponentially increase the cost of hiding these jihadis for pakistan.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Jun 2017 21:35

Had same wish, but Garuthmaa is not ready yet apparently.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jun 2017 21:39

Bheeshma wrote:Is there any reason why we cannot use the Garuda or Garuthma from well within our borders to take out these camps in pok? I would not call it an escalation just normal routine exercise. It will exponentially increase the cost of hiding these jihadis for pakistan.

Most of these camps are just a collection of huts - so it is a pointless exercise other than to cause some jingo celebration. No serious infrastructure that causes loss. Causing deaths is what is needed

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 01 Jun 2017 21:40

Has been discussed to death before. Camps are just small bases with minimal infrastructure which mostly remain empty. In order to inflict some pain on Pakis, we have to attack their regular military infrastructure. Bombing a few stone huts and empty land wouldn't make much difference.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2017 21:44

The camps are high up in the hills, usually away from the villages below. The pakis want the recruits to be able to cross all those hills, survive in the forest for a few days, before they can reach a safe house in the valley.
Infiltration is prolly a week long process from the launching point in PoK to a safe house in the valley

If a camp is know to be occupied, they can be visited by certain angels of mercy or fire raining down from the skies

The possibilities are endless.
It is only a matter of what the government is comfortable with.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2017 21:48

The camps are around Muzzafarabad, like 30-40 kms from the LoC.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Jun 2017 21:48

If we have intel that certain camps or huts house dozen or so jihadis, it's better option to use garuthmaa or UCAV than sending commandos. Do we really want to send our commandos 40 KMs inside enemy territory or wait for jihadis to reach near PoK or worse cross it.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jun 2017 22:11

Karthik S wrote:If we have intel that certain camps or huts house dozen or so jihadis, it's better option to use garuthmaa or UCAV than sending commandos. Do we really want to send our commandos 40 KMs inside enemy territory or wait for jihadis to reach near PoK or worse cross it.

There is no single solution.

If you look at reality "a dozen or more" jihadis in one place and realtime intelligence about them would be a rare occasion. Out of 50 camps - maybe one will have such a collection. There may be a dozen other camps with 2-3 jihadis together in one of half a dozen or more huts. And if just one PGM eliminates 12-13 - they will learn fast and never collect together like that again - they are not stupid. Sending commandos is not the only other choice - but that is one of them. Artillery bombardment is another option. A combination of all these methods will likely be used, if at all.

But a solution like Garuthma or Brahmos would be great if a senior army advisor was known to be present in a room in a camp. The problem of course is realtime intel. That guy will not spend 2 days in the room. He will be there for a few hours - maybe giving a pep talk. In those few hours the exact location has to be known to our intel and passed to the IAF or whatever and a decision made to attack within a time gap of 30-60 minutes. A miss by 50 meters is not good enough. If it is successful Pakis will immediately know that there an insider passing info or tapping of electronic comm. Both will be addressed.

10-12 deaths here and there is not good enough - like useless timepass American Predator attacks that make virtually no difference to a war.They have to be attacked and hit heavily on a sustained basis for months

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 02 Jun 2017 01:23

Karthik S wrote:
Kashi wrote:
As I understand, yes. Because the first retaliatory firing was in Poonch sector where we lost 1 civilian from the General Reserve Engineering Force (GREF).

Apparently there was firing in Rajouri sector as well and Bhimber may have been our retaliation
Nice hunting, IIRC the count was 30 till today morning, so it's 40 over all uniformed and non-uniformed jihadis till now.

Uniformed Jihadis ?
Sorry Karthik I know you are trying to create a distinction but my father wore a uniform.
Someone's husband wore a uniform
Someone's son wore a uniform.

A Terrorist/ Jihadist never wore a uniform.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 02 Jun 2017 02:19

Indian UAV or UCAV will be hunted down easily by Op Points directing PAF or Light AD regiments.
No thanks....

Keep faith in the light infrantry (special or conventional)
AND CARRY ON

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Jun 2017 02:36

Another option would be to wait patiently at the safe house; and as soon as the visitors arrive take them to their 72s. However it probably is impossible to identify the safe houses. The sheer mind boggling impractical nature of finding and monitoring the safe house - was it ever attempted?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 02 Jun 2017 05:30

Khalsa wrote:
Karthik S wrote:
Nice hunting, IIRC the count was 30 till today morning, so it's 40 over all uniformed and non-uniformed jihadis till now.
Uniformed Jihadis ?
Sorry Karthik I know you are trying to create a distinction but my father wore a uniform.
Someone's husband wore a uniform
Someone's son wore a uniform.

A Terrorist/ Jihadist never wore a uniform.

I believe Karthik S was solely referring to Pak army, who are no different from terrorists/jihadist, except that they wear a uniform. The lines are blurred to that extent.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 02 Jun 2017 05:33

SwamyG wrote:Another option would be to wait patiently at the safe house; and as soon as the visitors arrive take them to their 72s. However it probably is impossible to identify the safe houses. The sheer mind boggling impractical nature of finding and monitoring the safe house - was it ever attempted?

As per the reports, our surgical strikes last year specifically targetted jihadis huddled in safe houses and launch pads that appeared no different from regular "civilian" huts in the area. That would have required some serious intelligence gathering and planning.

Of course, mapping every safe house, every launchpad would be impossibly difficult.