chola wrote:Dude, it's a first step! I said Tata will eventually get into design not immediately.
I don't just give the private sector their chance. The design teams will evolve organically in house.
If we don't have an ecosystem after 5 decades of HAL and ADA then it is time for a change. Seriously, except for Sukhoi and MiG, those on my list are all private firms in origin.
I am going to ignore that you made that asinine statement --> "The design teams will evolve organically in house"
Assume the above happens
and Tata now has a design bureau that can design fighters. So let's examine your scenario via a timeline. An agreement is signed in 2019 (at best). Factory is built and is ready by 2020 (at best). Training of production personnel is complete by 2020 (at best) as well. And for 100 fighters, let's say Tata completes them by 2025, at the rate of 20 aircraft per year.
By 2025, Tata will magically have a design bureau. Wow, who would have thought! Chola, you are so wise.
Now it takes a good chunk of time to design & develop a fighter and have it enter service. Let's take the F-35 example from Lockheed Martin. Conceptual design/studies started in 1993. The first production F-35 entered USMC in mid 2015. So a good 22 years.
Going by that yardstick, if Tata's MFDB (Magical & Fantasy Design Bureau) - with no prior real world experience in designing fighters - begins studies on a fighter in 2025...the first production variant should enter service in 2045. Right?
But wait, what did Tata build from 2020 - 2025? A
fourth generation F-16. So I am sure with that design knowledge, Tata will produce a fourth generation fighter in 2045. Who wants that? Even Fiji will not want it. Unless you believe that along with the
Organic MFDB, Tata will develop a magic wand as well. With you, anything is possible.
And with the Tata's magic wand, they will skip an entire generation and go straight from fourth generation to sixth generation, complete with lasers and photon torpedoes. And of course, warp speed and beaming technology...no ejection seat.
chola wrote:Please, people say exactly the same stuff about the LCA.
But guess what, I would be happy as a Paki in shit, if the LCA is sold around the world with the F404 and the Elta.
There is no way you can win this argument.
Yes folks say the same about the Tejas as well. But that does not take away from your statement that the Koreans designed the T-50 and it started from screwdrivergiri of the F-Solah. I have disproved that beyond doubt. You may not want to believe it, but that is a moot point.
chola wrote:BTW, I'm "trolling" when the GOI is putting out this single engine tender and F-16 is repeatedly mentioned as a heavy favorite? When the GOI instead of just setting up a HAL/Firangi hookup once more is explicitly calling for partnerships with India's private sector?
Sorry, Modi's team know exactly what it is doing.
The GoI loves the F-16, the IAF loves the Gripen E. And if the IAF has any say in this process, vaporware will win. The IAF wants nothing to do with the F-Solah. The only way that platform is coming, is if the GOI forces the IAF to do so. And going by how the GOI has pushed the final decision to 2019, shows how much ownership they have over the MII program.