India - South & North Korea Thread

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Aug 2017 21:00

Fantastic opportunity for Dear Leader to test his mijjiles over Guam: all the AEGIS destroyers and other naval stuff of the "stupid running dogs of imperialist war-mongers" are on hold!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Aug 2017 23:35

ramana wrote:Ravi Rikhye has written a short note on China's aims in the Pacific Ocean and how it already has achieved the first part.
The piece will come in Swarajya magazine this weekend.

Here is link to the tweet:

https://twitter.com/ramana_brf/status/8 ... 1827203072

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Aug 2017 02:32

More on China Noise Nutwerks

North Korea will be a nuclear power. We need to accept that now

Isn't this one of the NonProllotullahs who used to scream at India?

The sheer idiocy of his OpEd is succinctly captured in the last para:

Meanwhile, we must devote all our energies to making sure that none of Kim's nukes fall into the hands of individuals or groups that no one can contain and who will have no restraints on their use.
Of course, each nuclear weapon, once exploded, leaves behind debris that carries quite a distinct "signature" that can immediately identify its country of origin. Kim must be made to understand that in such a case, the creator of the device will be punished as assuredly as whoever detonates it. Such is the new lexicon of MAD.

How exactly is that going to happen? The "10 million Seoul residents" won't count at that point? Why not punish NOW, BEFORE he and his sponsors give out any more nukes?

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 22 Aug 2017 20:29

I have noob pooch as to why NoKo hasnt gone paki and started asymetric war against the south? i dont have much knowledge about this issue?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Aug 2017 20:33

SoKo are not nice sdre ahimsa types. The main difference seems to be that NoKo shows off stationary artillery pieces that can pulverize Seoul if not pulverized by anti-artillery missiles b4. SoKo shows tanks firing on the move towards Pyongyang. Missiles. They use drones over the DMZ and mountains and their satellites do high-res imagery of all NoKo. You can read the "Made in China" labels on the NoKo shells as they are brought in, sitting in the high 70mm projection room in the Korean Aerospace Research Institute's Welcome Center. Real-time.
Exact quote:

"We put this up on display to kind-of let them know that we can see them clearly"

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 22 Aug 2017 21:22

Atmavik wrote:I have noob pooch as to why NoKo hasnt gone paki and started asymetric war against the south? i dont have much knowledge about this issue?

The NoKos are into quite paki in their behaviour though cant say it can be called asymetric warfare: -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kor ... th_Koreans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Aug 2017 23:04

that's what China wants, another nuclear-armed proxy for its eastern side!

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 23 Aug 2017 01:56

kit wrote:that's what China wants, another nuclear-armed proxy for its eastern side!

Exactly. When Noko can mate it's new clear with mijjiles their pakiness will grow exponentially

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 23 Aug 2017 05:25

Atmavik wrote:I have noob pooch as to why NoKo hasnt gone paki and started asymetric war against the south? i dont have much knowledge about this issue?

They used to do so with much alacrity and frequency. There used to be repeated "commando" raids and incursions aimed at killing SoKo soldiers and civilians. Kim Il Sung even send a 31 man team to assassinate Park Chung Hee. NoKo agents abducted SoKo and even Japanese citizens, set off bombs in the airliners and cities.

These have decreased over the years due to several reasons
1. A sinking NoKo economy, especially after the dissolution of USSR and the huge famine of 1994 and the arduous march that followed.
2. SoKo has become progressively richer, better equipped and the border has been completely sealed.
3. Since 1994, NoKo leadership has focussed not on the destruction of SoKo and "peaceful" reunion, but on survival. Pursuit of nukes was in this direction. SoKo are happy to let them be as long as the mad dogs stay north of the 38th parallel.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Aug 2017 05:51

abhik wrote:
Atmavik wrote:I have noob pooch as to why NoKo hasnt gone paki and started asymetric war against the south? i dont have much knowledge about this issue?
The NoKos are into quite paki in their behaviour though cant say it can be called asymetric warfare: -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kor ... th_Koreans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking

Sir, they are the real baap since they have actually invaded the presidential house ( not the parliament) and even attempted 2 assasinations ( where in one case, the presidents wife was killed by the bullet)
Blue House raid

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 23 Aug 2017 06:06

Kashi wrote:
Atmavik wrote:I have noob pooch as to why NoKo hasnt gone paki and started asymetric war against the south? i dont have much knowledge about this issue?
They used to do so with much alacrity and frequency. There used to be repeated "commando" raids and incursions aimed at killing SoKo soldiers and civilians. Kim Il Sung even send a 31 man team to assassinate Park Chung Hee. NoKo agents abducted SoKo and even Japanese citizens, set off bombs in the airliners and cities.

These have decreased over the years due to several reasons
1. A sinking NoKo economy, especially after the dissolution of USSR and the huge famine of 1994 and the arduous march that followed.
2. SoKo has become progressively richer, better equipped and the border has been completely sealed.
3. Since 1994, NoKo leadership has focussed not on the destruction of SoKo and "peaceful" reunion, but on survival. Pursuit of nukes was in this direction. SoKo are happy to let them be as long as the mad dogs stay north of the 38th parallel.

Thanks for the explanation.

Aman ki tamasha types who peddle "Save Pakistan" BS need to study these points

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Aug 2017 06:32

Admiring new cheen mijjiles

Crucial statement:

Could be used in submarine-launched missiles

I still predict that a NoKo sub is going to be halal'ed. USN has suffered way too much damage to H&D (7th Fleet commander canned, 3 destroyers grounded, 1 fighter plane and 1 or 2 V-22s/other transports crashed, some 30+ dead, many wounded.. numerous court-martialed..)

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Aug 2017 06:38

SoKo's bigger fear is the expected flood of destitute starving refugees from NoKo.

kit · Post by **kit** » 24 Aug 2017 23:56

UlanBatori wrote:SoKo's bigger fear is the expected flood of destitute starving refugees from NoKo.

so what .. if the Germany s could be unified so can the Koreas , it's not as if the S Korea is destitute

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 25 Aug 2017 00:54

kit wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:SoKo's bigger fear is the expected flood of destitute starving refugees from NoKo.
so what .. if the Germany s could be unified so can the Koreas , it's not as if the S Korea is destitute

Also the NK population is 100% literate and actually reasonably well educated sort of like Cuba. Not the same nightmare scenario as a merger with Pakistan would be for us.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Aug 2017 01:23

SoKo has high urban unemployment, IIRC. So it will create tensions.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 25 Aug 2017 06:39

kit wrote:so what .. if the Germany s could be unified so can the Koreas , it's not as if the S Korea is destitute

There have been lots of studies on the economic ramifications of a reunion. The gap between SoKo and NoKo is much higher than the gap that existed between FDR and GDR in 1990- to this day many Germans Wessi and Ossie grumble about the costs and the aftermath of reunion.

The two Koreas have had a further 30 years of separation, in which time NoKo economy has gone from worse to worst. To this day many NoKo defectors who are resettled in SoKo are unable to fully settle in- NoKos believe that Southerners discriminate against them and make fun of them for their accent among other things, they are unable to fully adapt to living in a capitalist society.

Southerners believe that the Northerners get a free pass at many things- NoKo defectors do receive considerable resettlement allowances and state support for five years that can include tution fee waiver should they attend a university, while SoKo youngsters slog through petty jobs to pay off educational loans; Southerners also believe that Northerners are lazy, unwilling to adapt, less mindful of rules and regulations and are often involved in drug trade and petty crime.

A lot of this defection and resettlement business actively involves EJs who view the 27 million impoverished Northerners as captive soul harvests. This starts as early as when the defectors cross the Yalu river into Dandong and Liasoning province- the area is crawling with SoKo missionaries and churches of every denomination. It's these EJs who assist the defectors in hiding amongst the ethnic Korean population and then make their way down South.

There have been reports that those who have resisted the EJ offers to "see the enlightenment" are often ratted out to Chinese authorities or the NoKo Ministry of State security (MSS) agents that trawl through the local communities looking for defectors. The defectors who are caught, end up being deported to NoKo as a matter of Chinese official policy. To prevent this, the desperate defectors are willing to do anything and it's often the women who bear the brunt of it in terms of sexual exploitation and trafficking.

Indeed, many defectors end up "finding the Lord" once they come down South and among the things (Money, clothes, electronics, digital media) they send back to their families still in NoKo, are Bibles and Bible verses in digital format in NoKo dialect.

SoKo does not have the luxury of a captive EU market to absorb the full costs of reunion. Most young Southerners would be happy to let things be as long as the NoKo mad dogs stay north of the 38th parallel. They couldn't care less about reunification.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Aug 2017 07:21

^^ Perfect summary of the situation, Kashi-sir

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 25 Aug 2017 08:10

Thank you very much sumji..

Please no sir for me

kit · Post by **kit** » 25 Aug 2017 22:53

A unified Korea might be worth it despite the short term costs, long term it could mean the emergence of a major power in South Asia enough to rival China.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Aug 2017 01:04

Kashi wrote: There have been lots of studies on the economic ramifications of a reunion. The gap between SoKo and NoKo is much higher than the gap that existed between FDR and GDR in 1990- to this day many Germans Wessi and Ossie grumble about the costs and the aftermath of reunion. <snipped some excellent information>
...

Is there a link to an article or blog where you have put these thoughts down? It would come in handy. TIA.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 26 Aug 2017 12:51

NoKo back at it again. Three missile tests. Apparently all failed as pet American reports.

BBC

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2017 03:44

UlanBatori wrote:ramana, so u r saying that a test that overflies Japan on the way to Guam vicinity, is as good as declaring war on Japan. Interesting problem: test of US and Japanese resolve.

Just one hour ago at 5:58 AM JST NoKo launched a missile which overflew Japan. Range 2700 km and apogees 550km.

Twitter has animation of flight path.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2017 03:47

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/902287236586229764

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2017 04:44

So sdre Japanese Running Dogs and TFTA Evil Stupid Imperialists did nothing at all as herrowic NoKo mijjile overflew Japan. Three mijjile cruisers kaput through bad driving/ chinese-hacked steering/lookout systems, so no way to shoot it down? What about the vaunted Japanese Air Defense system? Stood there open-mouthed

"We have to say that this morning's launch by the North is the most serious and grave threat ever to us, as the missile seems to have passed through our airspace," Suga told reporters at a news conference, according to Japan's NHK public broadcaster. "It could endanger peace and security in the Asia-Pacific region. It is also very dangerous and problematic in terms of the traffic safety of planes and ships. The launch is an obvious violation of UN resolutions. We cannot tolerate these repeated provocations by the North. We condemn this in the strongest possible way." Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe spoke to reporters early Tuesday, after reports emerged of North Korea's launch, saying: "We'll immediately gather information and analyze it, and take all possible measures to ensure people's safety," NHK reported.

Chicken, chicken! Trump is paper tiger. You gotta hand it to NoKim. Next thing: China declares Japanese airspace to be "disputed territory", patrolled regularly by NoKo.

Chinmay · Post by **Chinmay** » 29 Aug 2017 06:19

Noob pooch. How high above the surface is a country's sovereign airspace? Wiki chacha says that it could range from 30-160 km, but no legally defined limit. If a missile overflies at ~500 km above a country, it wont be a violation of the sovereign airspace, yes?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2017 06:34

500km is far into Space. Space Law allows overflight. Generally controlled airspace ends at ~18km. Below about 100km is still atmosphere (Von Karman Limit). From Wikipurana:

The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has established the Kármán line, at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi), as the boundary between the Earth's atmosphere and outer space, while the United States considers anyone who has flown above 50 miles (80 km) to be an astronaut; indeed descending space shuttles have flown closer than 80 km (50 mi) over other nations, such as Canada, without requesting permission first.[4] Nonetheless both the Kármán line and the U.S. definition are merely working benchmarks, without any real legal authority over matters of national sovereignty.
The boundary between public airspace and private air rights is defined by national or local law.

From the Japanese

it appears that the mijjile may have streaked through below 18km (controlled airspace)

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2017 06:48

In all fairness, how does a prolific missile-tester nation such as NoKo test its fine products without overflying Japan, hain? Surely not overfly Ivan-stan? That might be very seriously foolish... They COULD overfly SoKo I suppose, but again, not a good idea. Only other option is to aim for the Gobi desert.... or Tibet.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Aug 2017 12:35

If you look at NKorea as independant from China it is aa big mistake. N Korea Missile activities and Nuke Testing are meant to humliate S. Korea, Japan and USA. For China's domestic population there is a Huge H7D impact from showing these 3 countries as paper tigers.

tandav · Post by **tandav** » 29 Aug 2017 17:11

Time for Japan to go Nuclear themselves.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Sep 2017 18:14

Is Trump's "wag the dog" moment of truth around the corner? Media reports suggest that US strike on NoKo are imminent as N-subs are being rushed to the region. Bashing Young L:eader Kim would go down very well in the US and wetsern world,as even the Brits want to throw their two pence into the ring. watch this space...!

Nuclear submarines rushed to North Korea as US ‘prepares to strike’
DONALD Trump has reportedly agreed to send a nuclear armada to fight Kim Jong-un on his own turf.
By Jamie Micklethwaite / Published 1st September 2017
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-n ... ted-states

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-n ... ][b]Russia warns North Korea and US bound for ‘DANGEROUS’ clash as Trump preps to hammer Kim[/b]
RUSSIA has warned the US and North Korea are heading for a “dangerous” confrontation as tensions reach breaking point between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un.
By Henry Holloway / Published 31st August 2017
North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un and Vladimir PutinGETTY
NORTH KOREA: Russia has said Trump and Kim are heading for a 'dangerous' confrontation
Vladimir Putin’s right-hand man foreign minister Sergey Lavrov warned Washington to be weary of taking further action on Pyongyang.

It comes as the US President took to Twitter and demanded the talking is “not the answer” to the growing crisis with North Korea.
US bombers blasted over South Korea after Kim launched a missile over the northern-most island of Japan.
Russia has repeatedly called for calm in the region as they share a border with North Korea.

“It would be counterproductive and dangerous”
Lavrov
Putin's top diplomat Lavrov spoke to US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson by phone as the US considers further sanctions on North Korea.
Plans are on the the table for Washington to call for more restrictions on trade and oil to be imposed in Kim.
The action would attempt to strangle North Korea until it is left with no choice but to give up its quest for nuclear-tipped ICBMs.

KIM JONG-UN: North Korea believes securing nuclear weapons will save them
Expert says North Korea's missile tests due to fear of invasion
DIPLOMATS: Sergey Lavrov shared a phone call with Rex Tillerson about North Korea
Lavrov condemned the missile test, but urged the US to do everything they can to avoid war with Kim.
He also said any new sanctions on North Korea would be “counterproductive and dangerous” and called for diplomatic talks.
This week, Russia staged an evacuation drill in their city closest to North Korea amid fears of a strike by the Trump

.[/quote]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-n ... Army-Tanks

'Get ready for IMMINENT WAR’ North Korea orders troops to prepare for US showdown
NORTH Korea has ordered its soldiers to get ready for an “imminent war” as tensions reach breaking point with the US.

By Henry Holloway / Published 1st September 2017
Kim Jong-unGETTY
NORTH KOREA: Kim Jong-un has ordered his soldiers ready for an 'imminent war' with the US
Kim Jong-un’s generals have told their soldiers to get ready for battle as US bombers fly war drills over the Korean Peninsula.

Fears of nuclear war were renewed as the brazen dictator fired a missile over the northern-most island of Japan.
Air raid sirens rung out as people were warned to take cover, before the rocket passed overhead, broke apart, and crashed into the Pacific.
North Korea has said this launch was a preparation for a “real war” and it was feared to be a test flight for a potential strike near US bases in Guam.
Sources have revealed North Korean soldiers have been told to get war ready and steal food and resources from Kim’s own citizens, reports Daily NK.

Commandos to KILL Kim Jong-un ‘within weeks’ unless North Korea backs down
NORTH Korea faces a plan to kill or capture Kim Jong-un “within weeks” should the rogue state “cross the line”.
By Henry Holloway / Published 1st September 2017
Kim Jong-unGETTY
NORTH KOREA: Kim Jong-un is the target of a military plan being drawn up by South Korea
Pyongyang will be target of a “deep offensive operation” using paratroopers and marines to take out the leadership of North Korea.

Kim has reignited nuclear war fears this week as fired a missile over Japan before it crash landed into the Pacific.

South Korea is reportedly drawing-up plans for a “fully-fledged war” as tensions stretch to breaking point with the North.
More than 1,000 key targets will be identified and wiped out using airstrikes and cruise missiles, reports Seoul newspaper Chosun Ilbo.
The operation is designed to end any conflict “within weeks” without having to wait for reinforcements from the US.

“In case North Korea stages a provocation that crosses the line or attacks the capital region”
President Moon Jae-in
North Korea would be wiped away in a rapid war spearheaded by special forces with the mission to take out the regime’s leaders in Pyongyang.

Kim is understood to be the prime target of the operation.
A military source told the paper: “The plan is the mobilisation of airborne troops and Marines to infiltrate Pyongyang to quickly bring down the North Korean regime."
President Moon Jae-in was briefed on the operation on Monday as he vowed form "aggressive wartime action plan”.

He said: "Push for reform of the military structure to meet the requirements of modern warfare so that it can quickly switch to an offensive posture in case North Korea stages a provocation that crosses the line or attacks the capital region."

The president said his military must focus on countering Kim’s nuclear weapons without having to develop nukes of their own.
PREPARING FOR WAR? America and South Korea prepare to defend against the North
US and South Korea forces have been staging a massive war games in the Korean Peninsula.

North Korea claims the military drills are carried out as a prelude to an invasion.
Kim has ramped up his missile test this year as he believes securing an ICBM capable of striking the US will secure his rule.

The two nations – which remain technically at war – are separated by a huge wasteland known as the DMZ.
Earlier this week, South Korean bombers practiced airstrikes following the North’s missile launch over Japan

chola · Post by **chola** » 01 Sep 2017 18:57

Is this thing going to kick off for real?

I need the market to go to the bears for a bit. I've been shorting it for two years now but the fvcking thing keeps going up.

War!

Please.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Sep 2017 10:30

Last one hour China, SoKo, and US announcs two earthquakes in NoKo. 6.3 and 4.6
Depth close to surface.

New full nuclear power.
Also NoKo released pic of their warhead.
NPA will have a fit.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 03 Sep 2017 10:59

Rumoured One Megaton Test

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Sep 2017 12:00

By an, China last tests were of this Richter scale.

I think one big one and the primary 8 minutes later.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Sep 2017 12:04

The "artificial quake" in North Korea Sunday, thought to be its sixth nuclear test, was 9.8 times more powerful than the tremor from Pyongyang's fifth test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported citing the state weather agency.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Sep 2017 12:05

Will usa be a impotent loudmouth as usual or give more concessions to peking to manage noko lol

The world watches and laughs

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 03 Sep 2017 12:07

OK, so what now? NK has shown the sign to all powers. Will Japan do an Israel on them? I am not sure the US and Japan would just not do anything. Their longest range missile can apparently reach pacific states as well.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Sep 2017 12:07

tandav wrote:Time for Japan to go Nuclear themselves.

Another impotent sheep country . If they could they would have long ago. They should shut up and not expect any sympathy

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Sep 2017 12:10

Usa is fine but soko and japan are up s*** creek with no
Paddle unless they go nuclear

My ct is usa wants them both to go nuclear