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The Rohingya Menace

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The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:17

The existing infestation of 40,000 Rohingya Muslims in India-- including Jammu & Kashmir-- presents a grave national security threat in its own right. I'm starting this thread because I believe it will soon reach proportions-- if it hasn't already-- that could nucleate an organized, consolidated pan-India jihad potentially supported by crores of indigenous radicalized Muslims.

Currently there is a multi-pronged effort by many forces in the international community to flood India with lakhs more Rohingyas. This needs to be looked at in more detail, because it has the potential to create the sort of problem for India that ISIS-infiltrated swarms of Syrian and North African refugees currently present in Europe.

The overarching context for all this is that there appears to be an internationally-driven project to undermine India with increasingly active Islamist insurgencies originating from the east, now that the Islamist threat from the western flank (Pakistan-based) has been deemed collaterally dangerous for Western interests as well.

The Hillary Clinton State Dept., during the UPA2 regime, insisted that Manmohan Singh support Khaleda Zia in a CIA-sponsored "colour revolution" against the Awami govt in Bangladesh. In a rare display of strategic independence, the UPA2 government refused to comply. Ever since then, problems for India on this front have begun to materialize through the vector of Rohingya influx. The 2012 rioting in Mumbai was a harbinger of this new assault, followed by reports of Rohingyas illegally infiltrating and settling in nearly every corner of India, including sensitive areas like the Northeast, Jammu, and AP/Telengana.

Today there is a concerted diplomatic campaign of "human-rights" blackmail directed against New Delhi's initiatives to repatriate the Rohingyas currently living in India. This type of blackmail is typically a precursor to the Western world shrugging its shoulders and saying "I told you so" once the bombings and fidayeen attacks start to claim Indian lives. At the same time, Rohingya terrorists are mounting a highly militarized insurrection against the Myanmar government, while the Western media has launched a propaganda offensive to portray Rohingyas as the wronged victims of Buddhist Myanmarese bigots. It has also been revealed that large numbers of ISI-trained Pakistani terrorists are involved in the Rohingya assaults on Myanmarese security forces.

Thousands of Rohingyas are flooding into Bangladesh under cover of this combined Western diplomatic and propaganda offensive; given what we know about the Mamta Bannerji government in West Bengal, how long will it take before they have crossed the highly porous border into Indian territory? Those who stay on in Bangladesh will undoubtedly join up with the JeI and BNP in an armed insurrection against Sheikh Hasina's government as well.

In a sense we are seeing a repeat of Robin Raphael's Hurriyat/JKLF gambit from the 1990s, executed in coordination with Pakistan's ISI, but this time sourcing its foot soldiers from a jihadi wellspring on our eastern border, and not localized to a single part of India.

In the United States, the intelligence agencies are in open revolt against the Trump government, leaking left and right in an effort to embarrass the White House; career officials at the State Department no doubt have their own long-standing agendas as well, regardless of any policies SOS Rex Tillerson may be seeking to pursue.

Is it far-fetched to imagine that Wilsonian CIA and SD officials, with their allies in the international media and with support from neoliberal non-US Western regimes (such as Canada and the EU), are pursuing a project to destabilize India that Hillary Clinton has had on the back-burner ever since Narendra Modi became PM and threatened to upend the existing milieu of Breaking-India nexuses? After all, even if the US can no longer wink-and-nod at LeT and JeM atrocities against India without looking like utter hypocrites, the ISI is too great an asset for them to lose influence with entirely, and it must be appeased; meanwhile, a rapidly growing and assertive India must be contained with new levers of sabotage. Even the Trump regime itself may be involved... let's remember that a "back channel" of US operatives, including Robin Raphael, has been set up to deal with Pakistan in the wake of Donald Trump's recent invectives against the duplicity of that country.

Regardless of what geopolitical machinations may be stoking the flames, the Rohingya menace is a clear and present danger to the Indian republic at many levels and across many fronts. Let's use this thread to discuss the many dimensions of this threat... internal as well as external, blatant as well as obscure... and evolve recommendations on how it can be eliminated.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:21

arun wrote:Illegal Mohammadden immigrants originating in Bangladesh and squatting in Myamar belonging to the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) which was previously known as Harakah al-Yaqin, attack Myanmarese securirty forces in Myanmar’s Rakhine State. 12 Myanmarese killed while 59 were despatched to probably either meet 72 Houris or 72 Raisins:

71 dead as Rohingya militants attack police, army base in Myanmar

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:22

Peregrine wrote:Mods : Cannot locate a Rohingya Thread. Please move this post to a Relative Thread - if any.

Detect and deport illegal immigrants, states told

NEW DELHI: Asserting that illegal immigrants like Rohingyas pose grave security concerns and infringe on the rights of Indian citizens, the Centre has written to states, asking them to detect and deport them.

In a communication to states on August 8, the home ministry said, "These illegal immigrants not only infringe on the rights of Indian citizens but also pose grave security challenges." It says the rise of terrorism in last few decades has become a serious concern for most nations as illegal migrants are more vulnerable to getting recruited by terrorist organisations.

Infiltration of (the Rohingyas) from Rakhine state of Myanmar into Indian Territory, especially in recent years, besides being burden on the limited resources of the country also aggravates security challenges posed to India, it said.

The MHA said: "Due to a variety of reasons, including political and economic turmoil in neighbouring countries, people from such countries often enter India. There are cultural and ethnic similarities, on many occasions such migration goes unnoticed and they settle in Indian territory."

The ministry has asked the state governments to set up a task force at the district level to identify and deport illegal immigrants.

The intelligence agencies have often expressed concern over a large number of Rohingyas crossing over to India as they feel that terror organisations in J&K and other parts may use them against India.

Terror outfits like Indian Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Toiba have in the past expressed solidarity with Rohingyas. In fact, IM had carried out the July 7, 2013 blasts at Mahabodhi temple in Bodh Gaya to avenge the killing of Rohingyas in Myanmar. Similarly, LeT bomb-maker Abdul Karim Tunda had disclosed after his arrest in 2013 that he was trying to recruit Rohingya Muslims. Pakistan-based LeT chief Hafiz Saeed has often spoken in support of Rohingyas.

Union minister of state for home Kiren Rijiju said in Parliament last week that, according to available data, more than 14,000 Rohingyas, registered with the UNHCR, are presently staying in India.

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arun wrote:More confirmation that GOI is spot on in following a deporation policy regards illegal Bangladeshi origin Mohammadden migrants from Myanmar who have now illegally entered India.

AFP reports illegal Bangladeshi origin Mohammadden migrants massacare Hindu family including three children and a woman, in Myanmars Rakhine Province:

In Rakhine itself six members of a Hindu family have become the latest victims of the violence. Their bullet-riddled bodies-including three children and a woman-were discovered on Sunday and brought to a hospital in Maungdaw, the main town in northern Rakhine.

The victims had allegedly been shot dead by Rohingya militants on Saturday evening as they tried to flee to Maungdaw, a relative who lived in the town told AFP.

“We were still in contact with them yesterday by phone before they were killed. Now their dead bodies are in this hospital,” the distraught man told an AFP reporter.


Meanwhile Bangladesh, not withstanding shared Bengali ethnicity and and shared adherence to Mohammaddenism, has pushed back 70 illegal Bangladeshi origin Mohammadden migrants who had crossed over from Myanmar into Bangladesh:

Bangladesh detained and returned 70 Rohingyas to Myanmar, police said Sunday, just hours after Myanmarese troops on the other side of the border had opened fire on people fleeing the country.


From AFP via Bangaldeshi news paper Prothom Alo:

70 Rohingyas pushed back despite violence

Another report on the killing of Hindu’s by illegal Bangladeshi origin Mohammadden migrants residing in Myanmar:

Six Hindus massacred by Islamist militants in Arakan

Six persons belonged to two Hindu barber families were murdered by Islamist militants in Maungdaw on 26 August. The victims include four children, said a officer from the local police station.

“They were killed by the Bengali terrorists at Myo Thu Gyi Muslim village located at entry point of Maungdaw as they fled from Myin Lwat and U Daung villages following the terror attacks. Belonged to the barber community, the villagers were residents from southern Maungdaw locality,” added the police officer.

Their bodies were brought to the hospital by the police this morning for autopsy. Two other individuals of the group including one woman however survived the attack with senior injuries.

The victims were later identified as Nara Nar (35, son of Zaw Du Ram), Han Mawtaw (35, son of Mawno Rain), Khu Law Ni (5, daughter of Zaw Du Ram), Chunan Dar (5, son of Nara Nar), Shitar (5, son of Han Mawtaw) and Markuna Fee (3, daughter of Han Mawtaw).

Thawnar Yee (25, daughter of Nawnit Yar) with another Hindu male escaped the attack. They are presently admitted to the Buthidaung township hospital.

The State counselor office also admitted about the killing of six Hindu family members at Myothu Gyi village by the terrorists on Saturday.

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Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:23

Peregrine wrote:Rohingya Muslims flee as more than 2,600 houses burned in Myanmar's Rakhine

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COX‘S BAZAR, Bangladesh: More than 2,600 houses have been burned down in Rohingya-majority areas of Myanmar’s northwest in the last week, the government said on Saturday, in one of the deadliest bouts of violence involving the Muslim minority in decades.

About 58,600 Rohingya have fled into neighbouring Bangladesh from Myanmar, according to U.N. refugee agency UNHCR, as aid workers there struggle to cope.

Myanmar officials blamed the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) for the burning of the homes. The group claimed responsibility for coordinated attacks on security posts last week that prompted clashes and a large army counter-offensive.

But Rohingya fleeing to Bangladesh say a campaign of arson and killings by the Myanmar army is aimed at trying to force them out.

The treatment of Myanmar’s roughly 1.1 million Rohingya is the biggest challenge facing leader Aung San Suu Kyi, accused by Western critics of not speaking out for the Muslim minority that has long complained of persecution.

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Broken dishes can be seen in the burned out remains of a house in Myo Thu Gyi Muslim village where houses were burnt to the ground near Maungdaw town in northern Rakhine State on August 31, 2017.

Former colonial power Britain said on Saturday it hoped Suu Kyi would use her “remarkable qualities” to end the violence.

“Aung San Suu Kyi is rightly regarded as one of the most inspiring figures of our age, but the treatment of the Rohingya is, alas, besmirching the reputation of Burma,” foreign minister Boris Johnson said in a statement.

The clashes and army crackdown have killed nearly 400 people and more than 11,700 “ethnic residents” have been evacuated from the area, the government said, referring to the non-Muslim residents.

It marks a dramatic escalation of a conflict that has simmered since October, when a smaller Rohingya attack on security posts prompted a military response dogged by allegations of rights abuses.

“A total of 2,625 houses from Kotankauk, Myinlut and Kyikanpyin villages and two wards in Maungtaw were burned down by the ARSA extremist terrorists,” the state-run Global New Light of Myanmar said. The group has been declared a terrorist organisation by the government.

But Human Rights Watch, which analysed satellite imagery and accounts from Rohingya fleeing to Bangladesh, said the Myanmar security forces deliberately set the fires.“New satellite imagery shows the total destruction of a Muslim village, and prompts serious concerns that the level of devastation in northern Rakhine state may be far worse than originally thought,” said the group’s deputy Asia director, Phil Robertson.

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New satellite imagery obtained by Human Rights Watch shows the complete destruction of the village of Chein Khar Li.

FULL CAPACITY

Near the Naf river separating Myanmar and Bangladesh, new arrivals in Bangladesh carrying their belongings in sacks set up crude tents or tried to squeeze into available shelters or homes of locals.

“The existing camps are near full capacity and numbers are swelling fast. In the coming days there needs to be more space,” said UNHCR regional spokeswoman Vivian Tan, adding more refugees were expected.

The Rohingya are denied citizenship in Myanmar and regarded as illegal immigrants, despite claiming roots that date back centuries. Bangladesh is also growing increasingly hostile to Rohingya, more than 400,000 of whom live in the poor South Asian country after fleeing Myanmar since the early 1990s.

Jalal Ahmed, 60, who arrived in Bangladesh on Friday with a group of about 3,000 after walking from Kyikanpyin for almost a week, said he believed the Rohingya were being pushed out of Myanmar.

“The military came with 200 people to the village and started fires...All the houses in my village are already destroyed. If we go back there and the army sees us, they will shoot,” he said.

Reuters could not independently verify these accounts as access for independent journalists to northern Rakhine has been restricted since security forces locked down the area in October.

Speaking to soldiers, government staff and Rakhine Buddhists affected by the conflict on Friday, army chief Min Aung Hlaing said there is no “oppression or intimidation” against the Muslim minority and “everything is within the framework of the law”.

“The Bengali problem was a long-standing one which has become an unfinished job,” he said, using a term used by many in Myanmar to refer to the Rohingya that suggests they come from Bangladesh.

Many aid programmes running in northern Rakhine prior to the outbreak of violence, including life-saving food assistance by the World Food Programme (WFP), have been suspended since the fighting broke out.

“Food security indicators and child malnutrition rates in Maungdaw were already above emergency thresholds before the violence broke out, and it is likely that they will now deteriorate even further,” said Pierre Peron, spokesman for the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in Myanmar.

More than 80,000 children may need treatment for malnutrition in northern Rakhine and many of them reported “extreme” food insecurity, WFP said in July.

In Bangladesh, Tan of UNHCR said more shelters and medical care were needed. “There’s a lot of pregnant women and lactating mothers and really young children, some of them born during the flight. They all need medical attention,” she said.

Among new arrivals, 22-year-old Tahara Begum gave birth to her second child in a forest on the way to Bangladesh.

“It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done,” she said.

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Map locating 700 buildings destroyed in August 2017 in the Rohingya-majority village of Chein Khar Li, Burma. (Human Rights Watch)

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:24

Singha wrote:http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/09/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists.html
The Rohingya Of Myanmar - Pawns In An Anglo-Chinese Proxy War Fought By Saudi Jihadists

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:24

arun wrote:The Myanmar press is also reporting that Hindu’s are being killed by the Mohammadden dominated Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) in Rakhine, Myanmar:

Dozens of Hindus Killed in Maungdaw: Relatives

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:24

Peregrine wrote:Mods : I think the Rohingyas Problem in India is going to be an EXPLOSIVE One. As such would request a "Rohingya" Dedicated Thread.

At the start it must be emphasized that there are Fifty and More Islamic Countries in our World. Why do Muslims Refugees from ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES and a few Non-Muslim Countries SEEK AND BE GRANTED REFUGE IN ISLAMIC MAJORITY COUNTRIES rather then burden the Non-Muslim Majority Countries? THESE MUSLIM REFUGEES ESPECIALLY FROM NON-MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES DEMAND SHARIA LAW AND ALL OTHER "ISLAMIC" FACILITIES. After all NO MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRY WILL GRANT REFUGE TO NON-MUSLIMS. IN ADDITION AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES KEEP ON PROSECUTING NON-MUSLIMS AND FORCE THEM TO EITHER CONVERT TO ISLAM OR GET OUT OF THE MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES. :evil: :x :(

Why India is refusing refuge to Rohingyas

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court has sought to know government's stand on a plea challenging its plan to deport Rohingya refugees. India has for decades sheltered people fleeing conflict and disaster, though it is not signatory to any pacts obligating it to offer refuge. Here, a look at the Rohingyas' desperate situation:

WHO ARE ROHINGYAS

1. Myanmar has not recognised the Rohingya among its 135 ethnic groups under a 1982 citizenship Act.
2. The Myanmar government terms them 'Bengali' to paint the Muslim minority in Rakhine state as recent migrants from Bangladesh.
3. In Myanmar, the word Rohingya is taboo.

ROHINGYAS IN NUMBERS

1. There are about 10 lakhs Rohingyas in Myanmar.
2. About 1.23 lakh have fled to Bangladesh since August 25.
3. There are abput 40,000 Rohingya in Jammu, Hyderabad, Delhi-NCR, Haryana, UP and Rajasthan.

INDIA HAS NO REFUGEE LAW

1. India is not a signatory to 1951 UN refugee convention, or its 1967 Protocol
2. The government decides asylum pleas on ad hoc and case-to-case basis
3. Asylum-seekers whose plea is okayed are given long-term visa (LTV) to be renewed annually
4. Long-term visa gives them right to work in private sector and access to education and banking

BUT, INDIA HAS OPENED ITS DOORS TO REFUGEES

1. Tibetans, the Chakmas of Bangladesh, Afghans and ethnic Tamil from Sri Lanka are among those given refuge in India.
2. Tibetans (about 1L) got asylum. Can take land on lease and seek jobs in the private sector
3. Tamil refugees, mostly in Tamil Nadu, numbering about a lakh get state government aid
4. In 2016, the Modi government allowed Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan to buy property for self-living, obtain driving licences, receive PAN and Aadhaar IDs, etc.

WHY GOVT PLANS TO DEPORT ROHINGYAS

MoS Home Kiren Rijiju has said India wants to deport all illegal immigrants even those with UNHCR papers because...
1. Immigrants are susceptible to recruitment by "terror" groups
2. They "not only infringe on rights of Indian citizens but also pose grave security challenges"
3. Influx of migrants also leads to social, political and cultural problems
4. The idea to "ensure the demographic pattern of India is not disturbed"

THERE'S A PROBLEM IN DEPORTING ROHINGYAS

1. India has said it is talking with Bangladesh and Myanmar about deportation.
2. Myanmarese laws have rendered Rohingyas stateless, hence they are left with no 'home' to return to.

UN URGES INDIA TO FOLLOW 'CUSTOMARY LAW'

1. The 'principle of nonrefoulement' is binding on all states whether they have signed UN's refugee convention or not

2. The customary law says refugees cannot be forcibly returned to a place where they face persecution or threats to their life or freedom

SC TO HEAR PLEA ON DEPORTATION OF ROHINGYAS

The government's plan was challenged in SC, the next hearing is on September

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Postby Rudradev » 06 Sep 2017 22:36

Turkey getting into the act as well, under that selfless champion of international human (read Muslim) rights, Recip Tayyip Erdogand:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myan ... SKCN1BH1CC

BAKU (Reuters) - Turkey’s foreign minister called on Wednesday for a lasting solution to the plight of Myanmar’s Rohingya Muslims who he said had been living for years in “open prisons”, ahead of his visit to neighboring Bangladesh to discuss the crisis.

President Tayyip Erdogan, who leads Turkey’s Islamist-rooted AK Party, has been fiercely critical of Myanmar’s treatment of the Rohingyas, saying they have been subjected to genocide. :roll: :roll: Armenia anyone? How about Ankara's sponsorship of ISIS and Al-Nusra for more recent ventures?

The latest violence began on Aug. 25, when Rohingya insurgents attacked dozens of police posts and an army base. The ensuing clashes and a military counter-offensive have killed at least 400 people.

After Erdogan spoke to Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi on Tuesday, Turkey said it would deliver 1,000 tonnes of food, medicine and clothing to the afflicted northwestern region of Rakhine.

Around 150,000 Rohingyas have fled to Bangladesh, where Turkey’s Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu is due to arrive later for talks on Thursday about tackling the crisis.

Cavusoglu said he would visit the border region to assess the humanitarian needs there, adding that Turkey would also provide ambulances and other equipment.

“We will not leave these people alone here. However, we need to find a lasting solution to the problem in Rakhine,” he said. “There have been events and cruelties before as well, many people died or had to leave their homes.”

“I went to Rakhine two years ago as well, and they literally live in open prisons covered in mud. It is unacceptable for people to live under these conditions in this day and age.”

Suu Kyi has faced increasing pressure from countries with Muslim populations to halt the violence against Rohingya Muslims which has prompted their flight to Bangladesh.

Erdogan, whose wife and a son will accompany Cavusoglu to Bangladesh, said this week he had spoken to 20 world leaders about the issue, and would press for it to be discussed at the United Nations later this month.

Turkey has said its state aid agency TIKA would start the first foreign aid deliveries to Rakhine on Wednesday.


The Myanmarese need India's unstinting diplomatic and political support in eliminating the Rohingya terrorist threat.

Modi is standing with the Myanmar govt, and articulated his support ahead of his ongoing state visit to Yangon. The BBC has quickly broadcast an anti-India hit-piece tailored to the occasion:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41144884

Watch this space. This is the next J&K crisis brewing, even as the Modi government has finally given the security forces a free hand to crush terrorism in the valley.

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http://www.republicworld.com/s/6586/pri ... rs-rakhine

Prime Minister Narendra Modi Expressed His Concern Over “extremist Violence” In Myanmar’s Rakhine
September 6, 2017


Myanmar's State Counsellor Aung San Suu Kyi thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for taking a strong stand on the terror threat that Myanmar faced and assured India that 'terror would not be allowed to take roots in her country.'

"Together both countries will ensure that terror is not allowed to take roots in our country," de-facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi said.

"We would like to thank India for the strong stand that it has taken with regard to the terrorist threat that came to our country," says Aung San Suu Kyi, to which Prime Minister Narendra Modi responded that "India completely understands the challenges."
Suu Kyi said, "There are many areas in which we can cooperate. I would like to talk about the role India has played in capacity building because that is what our country is more in need of - to build up the capacity of our people that we may be able to construct truly safe and lasting federal democratic unions."

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"Your courageous leadership to the Myanmar peace process needs to be lauded," he said. Prime Minister Modi, on his part, said that India shares Myanmar's concern on extremist violence in the Rakhine state and that he hopes that all stakeholders can find a solution, in which the unity and the territorial integrity of the country is maintained, together. In a joint statement following the signing of agreements and Memoranda of Understanding (MoUs) between India and Myanmar, Prime Minister Modi said, "We share your concerns about extremist violence in the Rakhine state and violence against the security forces and how innocent lives have been affected."


http://www.republicworld.com/s/6558/aft ... -fake-news

Myanmar Leader Aung San Suu Kyi Blames Fake News
September 6, 2017

Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi blamed fake news and a misinformation campaign for fueling a crisis that the U.N. says :roll: has now pushed more than 125,000 minority Rohingya Muslims into Bangladesh with tales of atrocities at the hands of security forces. Suu Kyi told Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a phone call Tuesday that her government is defending “all the people” in western Rakhine state, according to a government statement. The violence and civilian suffering have prompted international condemnation and resonated particularly in many Muslim countries.

Erdogan’s office in Ankara said that the Turkish leader told Suu Kyi that disproportionate use of force against the minority group should be avoided and maximum care is taken to avoid harming civilians. :roll: Suu Kyi’s office said that she told Erdogan that his deputy prime minister was a victim of fake news when he posted photos purportedly showing dead Rohingya that were not related to the crisis. The photos on Mehmet Simsek’s Twitter account had been taken down.

Suu Kyi said that such misinformation helps promote the interests of “terrorists,” a reference to Rohingya insurgents whose deadly attacks on Myanmar security posts Aug. 25 triggered the latest military crackdown and streams of refugees. The military has said nearly 400 people, most of them insurgents, have died in clashes. Security forces responded to the attacks with days of “clearance operations” the government says were aimed at rooting out insurgents it accuses of setting fire to Rohingya villages.


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Postby Rudradev » 07 Sep 2017 01:58

Falijee wrote:Hafiz Suar Behind Rohingyas Agitation :roll:

Pakistan, ISIS allegedly behind Rakhine imbroglio

Indian and Bangladesh intelligence officials say that they have intercepted three long duration calls between Hafiz Tohar, military wing chief of Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) on 23rd and 24th August that hold the key to why the militant group unleashed the pre-dawn offensive against Myanmar security forces. This is the other side of the "story", not publicized in the MSM. !

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Hafiz Tohar set up the Aqa Mul Mujahideen (AMM) and was trained in Pakistan by the dreaded Lashkar e Tayyaba (LET) after he was recruited by Abdul Qadoos Burmi, the chief of Harkat ul Jihad al Islami -Arakan (HUJI-A) from Kyauk Pyin Siek village of Maungdaw in 2014.He merged his group into the ARSA after it was formed in the summer of 2016 and is widely believed to be behind the deadly attacks on Myanmar security forces from October 9-10 last year and on Aug 25 this year. Meanwhile, Western media and "human rights" institutions are tightly coordinating their propaganda offensive in lock-step with this kinetic Pakistan-sponsored jihad. 1990s J&K situation all over again. -R

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Following the training of a few initial recruits of the AMM in Pakistan, new cadres were recruited from among Rohingya youth in Rakhine State and refugee camps in Bangladesh’s Cox’s Bazaar.They were then trained in camps set up on the Bangladesh-Myanmar border, specially one at Naikhongcherri in the Chittagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh.One "Major Salamat" of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, deputed for under cover operations with the LET,was responsible for these training during April-May 2016.

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63 JMB activists from Bangladesh responsible for the suicide bombings in that country and 88 ARSA activists were trained in the Naikhongcherri base in April-May 2016, according to information revealed by two top JMB activists when interrogated by Bangladesh intelligence.This base was recently raided by the Bangladesh army, and six JMB rebels were captured. During interrogation, they confirmed information about this base and the joint JMB-ARSA training stint conducted by ISI that Bangladesh intelligence had garnered from top JMB leader Abul Kashem.Kashem's information led to the raid on this hideout three months ago.

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They found contact numbers of one "Brigadier Ashfaq' and of 'Major Salamat' of ISI and one ISIS recruiter in Iraq.Bangladesh intelligence put these numbers on surveillance and also passed their numbers to Indian R&AW external intelligence agency which has superb Signals Intelligence capabilities with a regional reach.

These three calls simultaneously intercepted by Bangladesh and Indian intelligence makes it clear ARSA and their backers (ISIS and ISI) were determined to cause problems for the Aung San Suu Kyi government which had committed to set up an inter-ministerial committee to implement the recommendations made by Kofi Annan-led Rakhine Commission.It is nor clear whether Bangladesh or India raised a red flag with Myanmar to warn them of an impending attack.

That would explain why India and Bangladesh, mindful of their own security threats, have not bought into the narrative of 'genocide' as some in the West and many in the Islamic World have. Of course they have... there is a concerted, well-funded and many-pronged effort to deliberately boost and dispense this exact narrative, in the service of an obvious political agenda. -R "The ARSA is determined to thwart Daw Suu Kyi's good intentions to implement the Kofi Annan report. They want to brutalise the discourse in Rakhine and help re-militarise the area so that the narrative of torture and extra-judicial killings help them boost the level of jihad and find recruits," said a top Bangladesh intelligence official.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Rudradev » 07 Sep 2017 03:14

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/mya ... the-region

Myanmar's 'Bengali problem' threatens to embroil the region

Nirmal Ghosh September 6, 2017

Note: this article is mostly another Washington/London-directed pro-Muslim, anti-Dharmic propaganda hit-piece. But it can be mined for some useful nuggets of information.

The Rohingya tried and failed at militancy before through the vehicle of the Rohingya Solidarity Organisation (RSO). But now the new Harakah al-Yaqin (Faith Movement), which has switched to the English name Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army , has seized the initiative.

Arsa militants' first big attack against Myanmar security units came last October. The violence was "qualitatively different from anything in recent decades, seriously threatens the prospects of stability and development in the state, and has serious implications for Myanmar as a whole", the International Crisis Group (ICG) warned then.

Some 3,000 Buddhist Rakhine villagers fled to towns. Sounds like typical Ghazwa tactics were used by the ARSA jihadis: mass-murder of non-Muslims by the most visibly gruesome of methods, with the intent of clearing non-Muslims out of Muslim-majority areas and then "claiming" those territories for Islam. Further south, the state capital Sittwe remains stable. But the Myanmar security forces' reprisals were swift, driving many Rohingya across the border into Bangladesh, which officially complained about the influx.

On the morning of Aug 25 came a bigger attack with Arsa militants killing 10 policemen, one soldier and an immigration officer. Regional security sources told The Straits Times about 200 militants, including a smattering of foreigners, may have crossed over from Bangladesh for the attack.


"There are several credible reports of Indonesian fighters especially from Aceh, and Filipinos, fighting with Arsa but the majority of the outsiders are Pakistanis - that is established beyond doubt," said a regional security source.

Details are murky, but this time some Hindus - a small minority in Rakhine state - also claimed to have been attacked


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There were mass evacuations of Buddhist and Hindu civilians, and this time even wider reprisals from Myanmar's security forces against the Rohingya.

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"In the squalid refugee camps in Bangladesh, joining the Arsa is now becoming 'farj' - a religious obligation," Professor Zachary Abuza at the National War College in Washington, DC wrote last week, in a commentary for Radio Free Asia.

Arsa's chief on the ground is Ata Ullah or Hafiz Atharullah, Pakistan-born and raised in Saudi Arabia. According to sources, Ata Ullah has also spent time in Mae Sot in Thailand. The militants are thought to have trained in Bangladesh under Afghan war veterans, some of them Rohingya. The Arsa has also been killing Rohingya they suspect of being government informers. It may also have eliminated members of the RSO who did not agree with armed struggle.

Importantly, Ata Ullah has disavowed international terrorist linkages. Of course: a Saudi-raised Paki swine training anti-Myanmar terrorists in Bangladesh has "disavowed" international terrorist linkages. :roll: But intelligence circles worry about what relationship there may be, now or in the future, between the Arsa and Bangladeshi extremist organisations like the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, Hifazat-e-Islam Bangladesh and Ansarullah Bangla Team, some of which dream of a greater Islamic Bangladesh, including parts of north-eastern India and Rakhine state. Again, don't lose sight of the fact that this is what power centers in the US, UK, and possibly other Western nations are aiming to inflict upon India and her neighbourhood through their diplomatic and political support for this jihad. It is no exaggeration to say this could turn into something worse than J&K in the near future.

"Now that (Arsa) has established its legitimacy and capability with attacks, it is unlikely to face funding constraints," the ICG presciently said in December last year. "It seems to be receiving funds from the Rohingya diaspora and major private donors in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. It may also attract the attention of international groups interested in more than funding."


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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Guddu » 07 Sep 2017 03:23

Why is the Indian Supreme Court getting involved with this ?...How did we end up with 40,000 Rohingayas ?.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Sep 2017 03:30

RDji,
This is very interesting. Pakis have realized that their game of terrorism in Kashmir has been significantly choked, because they can't go beyond a boiling point without consequences and below that can be managed well by India. So now they are opening another front where they will be juggling and using internal security to make india look inwards while using western sympathy.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Sep 2017 03:39


Did you notice the writer of this article?
Subir Bhaumik is a Kolkata based independent journalist and commentator.

I searched the article, it seemed very different in tone and tenor as compared to most of his prior articles. Possibly a lifafa article or an outsourced one.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Manish_Sharma » 07 Sep 2017 05:32

Guddu wrote:Why is the Indian Supreme Court getting involved with this ?...How did we end up with 40,000 Rohingayas ?.


It was a joint venture of gulam nabi fai's agent Harsh Mandar, shabnam azmi,. Ahmad Patel-antonia & yechury.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby anupmisra » 07 Sep 2017 05:59

After Muslim Rohingyas, Hindus from Myanmar seek refuge in Bangladesh

Hindus from Myanmar have joined streams of Muslim Rohingyas to seek refuge in Bangladesh after the killing of 86 people from their community in the ethnic violence in the neighbouring Buddhist-majority country.
"A total of 414 Hindus from (Myanmar's) Rakhine state took refuge at a Hindu village in Cox's Bazar," a Bangladeshi official told PTI on condition of anonymity.
"According to the Hindu refugees, unidentified masked people in black attires attacked their homes killing 86 people on 27 and 28 August at different places in Myanmar's Mangdu district"


http://www.firstpost.com/world/after-mu ... 08439.html

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby anupmisra » 07 Sep 2017 06:05

Dozens of Hindus Killed in Maungdaw: Relatives

SITTWE, Rakhine State – Eight-year-old Muni is one of the sole survivors in her Hindu family, after eight of her relatives were reportedly killed by Muslim militants one week ago in Kha Mauk Seik village, some 40 miles from downtown Maungdaw, in northern Rakhine State.


https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/do ... tives.html

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 07 Sep 2017 08:36

Why don't Hindus come here? We need to try to get them in, what good will happen in BD to them.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gus » 07 Sep 2017 08:43

how did we end up with 40K? how much of it was through refugee channel and illegal channels?

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Karthik S » 07 Sep 2017 11:18

2 crore illegal immigrants in India: Nation faces security threat, change in demographic pattern
There are over 2 crore illegal immigrants in India. While the Centre has stated that many pose a security threat, the other concern is that these persons are sourcing ration, Aadhaar and voter identity cards. This will change the demographic pattern in the country, senior officials in the Home Ministry say.

Home Ministry estimates suggest that there are nearly 40,000 Rohingya Muslims across India. The highest number is found in Jammu and Kashmir and as per records 11,000 are registered with the UNHCR. Data also suggests that there are nearly 2 crore illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and in its submission to the Supreme Court, the centre would say that it intends to deport all of them.
Most of the illegal immigrants had take shelter in Haryana, Jammu, Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi, the Centre says.
The Supreme Court while hearing a petition filed by two Rohingya Muslims had sought the Centre's stand on the issue of deportation. The Centre will submit its reply on September 11 when the court hears the matter. In its submission the Centre will not only provide data, but is also likely to elaborate on the security threat that the illegal immigrants pose.


http://www.oneindia.com/india/2-crore-i ... 38115.html

Very difficult task, but very necessary step.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby KLNMurthy » 07 Sep 2017 12:08

ArjunPandit wrote:

Did you notice the writer of this article?
Subir Bhaumik is a Kolkata based independent journalist and commentator.

I searched the article, it seemed very different in tone and tenor as compared to most of his prior articles. Possibly a lifafa article or an outsourced one.

He consistently refers to the Rohingyas aa "India's Rohingya population." Nice verbal sleight of hand.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 07 Sep 2017 19:38

Great, we are importing another oriental-muzzie fight from Burma to India. As if the Beedees illegals riling up Naga- and Bodo-lands are not enough.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 07 Sep 2017 19:40

Should have left the IA in western Bangladesh in '71 and created a true fvcking buffer zone.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 07 Sep 2017 21:45

Thanks to Rudradev-ji for bringing this up. Already they have begun targeting the Hindus of Rakhine.

Hindus are <1% of Rakhine; so they are not a factor at all in the conflict. However, Rohingya terrorists deliberately targeted them, killing many & expelling thousands, some of whom are being sheltered in Burma & others in current Bangladesh.

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar ... 55520.html

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/th ... khine.html

Both these articles identify the attackers of the Hindus of Rakhine as Islamist terrorists, aided by local Rohingyas. However, Indian papers have conveniently left out the identity of the attackers of the Hindus.

This is going to be spun in two different ways in the coming days. First, it is going to be spun as `Burmese terrorist army is attacking all non-Buddhists of Rakhine, including HIndus, so Rohingyas should not be deported.' Already Hindustan times is at work, airbrushing them, pretending that it is an attack on Hindus by unidentified terrorists. (Shades of Kashmir here again, no? Remember how the Nadigram, Chittisinghpura, Wandhama massacres were supposedly perpetrated by Indian army and/or unidentified terrorists?). See this article by Hindustan Times.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... PKcKI.html

In parallel, it is going to be spun as `Rohingya reaction to Hindu persecution of Rohingyas in India' & `Rohingya desperation against their impending deportation to their deaths', so we should shelter the Rohingyas against Buddhists, or they will, in desperation, slaughter the Hindus of Rakhine.

The Wire went one step further. It created `Hindu Rohingyas' (I have never heard of any Hindu Rohingyas at any time, so if there are any, please let me know who & what they are).

https://thewire.in/173972/hindus-myanma ... angladesh/

So the game is set for a Jihad vs the Dharmics (these might join hands with the EJ terrorists of the NE & EJ terrorists of Burma for the time being, too, as it is quite possible for them to co-exist at the time, with their spheres of influence being in different areas currently). What we are going to see is the hotting up of the border.

Does this have a strategic angle? Possibly - Sittwe is in Rakhine & the West may want to deny the use of the pipelines from Sittwe to China. This also has the potential to ruin our Look East policy, since the NE EJs & Rohingyas sit astride all our routes across the NE border.

Do think it over.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 07 Sep 2017 21:53

chola wrote:Should have left the IA in western Bangladesh in '71 and created a true fvcking buffer zone.


Hindus+Buddhists+Animists were ~25% of Bangladesh in 1971. We should have taken 25% of BD as Dharmic territory & left the rest to rot with Pakistan. The Madhumati line in the south west was the real Hindu territory - the districts of (E Pak part of) Nadia, Jessore & Khulna, giving us the solid riverine border to defend against. In North, we should have taken the Hindu majority parts of Jalpaiguri given to E Pak for contiguity purposes (Patgram, Tetulia, etc). In SE, we should have taken the whole of Chittagong Hill Tracts. This would have reduced E Pak into an uncontrollable mess with Chittagong within our artillery range & no other port of significance to hold it from from West Pak. Instead, we got the Hindus & Buddhists killed, & ended up subsidising their Jihad against us, & make it more efficient, since we rid them of the Pakistan problem.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Gyan » 07 Sep 2017 22:29

In 1971 we should have retained the North Bangladesh to widen the chicken neck and Chittagong hills which has non-Muslim character.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 07 Sep 2017 22:33

Gyan wrote:In 1971 we should have retained the North Bangladesh to widen the chicken neck and Chittagong hills which has non-Muslim character.


Widening the chicken's neck is what retaining Tetulia, Patgram, etc would have done. It was also Hindu majority in 1947, BTW & was given to E Pak for contiguity purposes (no one knew which country the Raja of Koch Behar would join).

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 07 Sep 2017 23:30

Violence could lead to exodus of 300,000 Rohingya: UN
Refugee number could double with 146,000 of the persecuted Muslim minority already fleeing Myanmar's security forces.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/v ... 58023.html

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 07 Sep 2017 23:32

Al Jaz, ME Eye , BBC and usual suspects are asking for Suu Ki's noble prize to be taken away as she has not spoken yet on the crisis and not internalising Rohingya.
media houses are being given back on SM with Burmese asking them to take away their fraud prizes but no compromise will be met.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby chola » 08 Sep 2017 00:00

Shanmukh wrote:
chola wrote:Should have left the IA in western Bangladesh in '71 and created a true fvcking buffer zone.


Hindus+Buddhists+Animists were ~25% of Bangladesh in 1971. We should have taken 25% of BD as Dharmic territory & left the rest to rot with Pakistan. The Madhumati line in the south west was the real Hindu territory - the districts of (E Pak part of) Nadia, Jessore & Khulna, giving us the solid riverine border to defend against. In North, we should have taken the Hindu majority parts of Jalpaiguri given to E Pak for contiguity purposes (Patgram, Tetulia, etc). In SE, we should have taken the whole of Chittagong Hill Tracts. This would have reduced E Pak into an uncontrollable mess with Chittagong within our artillery range & no other port of significance to hold it from from West Pak. Instead, we got the Hindus & Buddhists killed, & ended up subsidising their Jihad against us, & make it more efficient, since we rid them of the Pakistan problem.


The great forgotten tragedy of the Partition and our subsequent wars with the TFTA. They fought with a clarity of religious conviction while we fought with a muddle of secular fairness. I say that even though I see myself as a secular.

The Pakees and the muzzies we saved from the pakees are allowed to annihilate their Hindus, their Xtians and their Buddhists. We on the other hand reserve seats in government, education and employment for the same group that wanted partition based on creed.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Sep 2017 01:04

So I think UBCN is spot-on in predicting that an Indian counter-insurgency force is essential in central/north Myanmar to protect democracy and the human rights of the gentle oppressed Buddhists. Right up to the Kunming border...

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 08 Sep 2017 01:36

UB-saar,
Indo-Burmese collaboration on counter-terror is vital, yes & it will be great if we can build a strong anti-terror force, but I don't think anyone is going to thank us for it - may be not even the Burmese. They are also worried about what we intend in this destabilised areas as they have very little control in the areas that are affected.

The problem is that the Indo-Burmese & Sino-Burmese borders (on the Indian, Chinese & Burmese sides) are all overrun by Jihadis & EJs due to large scale proselytisation. It would greatly suit the West if these EJs & Jihadis carved out a series of small states from Chittagong to Kunming. This way, they get what they want (disrupt all communications in this vital area) & in fact, as a bonus, get tiny, volatile, barely viable EJ & Jihadi states that are easily controllable from the West. China is also fine playing the EJ card against the Burmese (see how they have already supported anti-Burma rebels on China-Burma border) http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/curfew ... der/689281 & often support other Leftist rebels against Burma.

The greater problem, UB-saar, is demographic. All the minority groups in our NE & N Burma (all the way from Chin to Shan states) are getting converted to Christianity, often rabid forms of Chirstianity & want their own little EJ state. Unless one can reverse this EJ-isation, one cannot have a really peaceful place. And the Jihadis have just joined in the fun in a big way. All in all, very interesting times coming up .....

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby sunnyP » 08 Sep 2017 01:59

Why are the Burmese trying to kick out Rohingyas who have lived in Myanmar for over 100 years? Sure they were immigrants from Bengal once but are the Burmese really expecting Bangladesh, India etc to house these people in 2017? It's in India's interests to keep them where they are.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Shanmukh » 08 Sep 2017 02:57

sunnyP wrote:Why are the Burmese trying to kick out Rohingyas who have lived in Myanmar for over 100 years? Sure they were immigrants from Bengal once but are the Burmese really expecting Bangladesh, India etc to house these people in 2017? It's in India's interests to keep them where they are.


There are also lakhs of Bangladeshi illegals in Rakhine. Just like our NE. And they have begun Jihad in a big way now that they de facto dominate Rakhine.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 08 Sep 2017 03:49

Shanmukh please xpost significant tweets here.

Thanks.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby ramana » 08 Sep 2017 03:51

sunnyP wrote:Why are the Burmese trying to kick out Rohingyas who have lived in Myanmar for over 100 years? Sure they were immigrants from Bengal once but are the Burmese really expecting Bangladesh, India etc to house these people in 2017? It's in India's interests to keep them where they are.


A Pakistani born and Saudi raised Ataullah has created #ARSA which is wreaking havoc. Please get informed on Twitter. And don't believe BBC bs.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Singha » 08 Sep 2017 11:55

https://twitter.com/TiranaHassan/status ... 7666956288

posted on sept6 - beach in BD. the boats are highly crescent shaped like oversized venice gondolas.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby Sachin » 08 Sep 2017 12:02

Looks like every one is not an idiot, and there seems to be a movement coming up against Rohingyas. Another PIL is getting filed, this time by a trust in Chennai (May be "The Chindu" can now start tarnishing the image of this trust)
Deport Rohingya Muslims, Chennai trust tells SC
Chennai trust moves SC for deportation of Rohingyas
The trust has sought the apex court’s permission to implead in a petition filed by two Rohingya refugees challenging the Centre’s plan to deport them. The application has said Rohingyas were “denied citizenship under the 1982 Burmese citizenship law, after which they migrated to nearby countries like Bangladesh and India. As of today, around 40,000 and more Rohingyas are residing in India and are identified as illegal immigrants by the government.
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There was also another report which explained the legal point put by the trust. India has not signed the UN charter/treaty regarding accepting refugees, so she is NOT bound to accept any group of refugees. UN can do diddly-squat on that part.

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby arun » 08 Sep 2017 12:45

Sachin wrote:India has not signed the UN charter/treaty regarding accepting refugees, so she is NOT bound to accept any group of refugees. UN can do diddly-squat on that part.


800% correct.

India is not a signatory of the 1951 UN Refugee Convention nor for that matter is it a signatory of the 1967 Protocol. Neither for that matter are the other parties who may have a direct interest in the matter namely Bangladesh and Myanmar.

India is thus not bound by principle of “non‑refoulement” which requires following the practice of not forcing refugees or asylum seekers to return to a country in which they are liable to be subjected to persecution.

I said the same when Deputy Spokesman for the UN Secretary-General, Farhan Haq, who is from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, tried to peddle the line that India was bound by the principle of “non‑refoulement”, here on BRF:

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Re: The Rohingya Menace

Postby IndraD » 08 Sep 2017 14:05

https://twitter.com/rose_k01/status/905556626827968512
Rohingya attacking Buddhists in Rakhine


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