Small Arms Thread

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 01 Dec 2017 23:28

Late Brig RayC had similar comments on INSAS polymer magazines and he was a participant in that fight.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Viv S » 02 Dec 2017 01:35

Thakur_B wrote:US Army has officially cancelled intermediate calibre service rifle program.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... r-program/

Interim Combat Service Rifle. 7.62 x 51mm.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 02 Dec 2017 17:06

Thanks for correction.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 03 Dec 2017 15:11

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AK-103 in service with marcos.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby shiv » 03 Dec 2017 22:06

Thakur_B wrote:Image

AK-103 in service with marcos.

Are there Russians in that image?

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby nachiket » 03 Dec 2017 23:46

shiv wrote:Are there Russians in that image?

It's from the exercise Indra 2017. More pictures here: <haram link removed>
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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Aditya G » 04 Dec 2017 00:14

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Couldnt the INSAS LMG have a commando variant? Shorter barrel, box fed, folding stock, foregrip and oh, black colour :-)

:((

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Bart S » 04 Dec 2017 01:24

Self-deleted.

Nachiket Saar, please remove link from your quoted post as well.
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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby nachiket » 04 Dec 2017 01:42

Bart S wrote:
nachiket wrote:It's from the exercise Indra 2017. More pictures here: <haram link removed>


Wow, using Google Translate on that thread shows what looks to be an insane amount of racist crap being spewed on Indians. An eye-opener certainly. And yet most Indians are still delusional about Russians being some kind of eternal friend (and the only trusted one).

Sorry for the OT.

Thanks. I've removed the link to that site. No point in sending more traffic there. My mistake for not translating. I was only interested in the pics and didn't bother.
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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2017 07:06

nachiket wrote:
shiv wrote:Are there Russians in that image?

It's from the exercise Indra 2017. More pictures here: <haram link removed>

That might explain the AK-103s

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 04 Dec 2017 07:32

Aditya G wrote:Image

Couldnt the INSAS LMG have a commando variant? Shorter barrel, box fed, folding stock, foregrip and oh, black colour :-)

:((


Short barrel would be a disaster for INSAS LMG, which would take away it's most redeeming quality, accuracy It has been known to use INSAS LMG with scope in a DMR role. Rest sounds like a thicker barrel with Insas mk1c layout.
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INSAS already uses box magazines, now there are dubious sources on the internet that say INSAS can accept STANAG magazines, I doubt to see how that is possible because even if magazine dimensions are similar, INSAS magazine uses rock and lock system with latches on front and rear of magazine.
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Whereas STANAG magazines have notch on the left of the magazine for holding it in place. I have never had a look inside INSAS magwell, nor are there any pictures available to confirm the same.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Gyan » 04 Dec 2017 08:46

INSAS LMG and UBGL are two small arms which are being rapidly inducted into the Army in last 5 years at the rate of around 5000-8000 each per annum.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby rkhanna » 04 Dec 2017 15:31

shiv wrote:
nachiket wrote:It's from the exercise Indra 2017. More pictures here: <haram link removed>

That might explain the AK-103s


Ak103 has been in Marcos inventory for a long time now

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby nachiket » 04 Dec 2017 16:22

shiv wrote:
nachiket wrote:It's from the exercise Indra 2017. More pictures here: <haram link removed>

That might explain the AK-103s

The Russians seem to be using AK-74s. The 103s belong to Marcos.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Rakesh » 07 Dec 2017 05:25

https://twitter.com/sjha1618/status/938464207120375809 --> As far as OFB's R-2 7.62 × 51 mm assault rifle is concerned, the Army wants a prototype that can fire over 2000 rounds continuously without any stoppages. OFB says they'll be back soon.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 14 Dec 2017 10:29



History channel docu trailer on surgical strikes. Lots of gratuitous shots of upgraded AKs with Special Forces.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 14 Dec 2017 10:31

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JVPCs, Ghatak AKMs and Excalibur Mk-1 (not INSAS or Mk-1C) in production. Excalibur Mk-1 comes with a short picatinny rail where dovetail rail used to be. You can tell it is not Mk-1C because of the stamped steel construction instead of milled aluminium.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 16 Dec 2017 05:03

^^
Who are they producing these for? Has the army placed any orders?

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 16 Dec 2017 06:53

JVPC - CG and MP police
Ghatak- ITBP
Ex mk 1 - not sure

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 16 Dec 2017 06:58

Thanks

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby dinesh_kimar » 21 Dec 2017 19:47

^ OFB has a pic of 5.56 MG, apparently INSAS based. Looks different from the belt fed 7.62 mm MAG version.

http://ofb.gov.in/download/make_in_indi ... Weapon.pdf

Thakur ji, your analysis please.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 22 Dec 2017 07:02

^^ Looks like the link is currently down. Can't access it.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 22 Dec 2017 13:52

dinesh_kimar wrote:^ OFB has a pic of 5.56 MG, apparently INSAS based. Looks different from the belt fed 7.62 mm MAG version.

http://ofb.gov.in/download/make_in_indi ... Weapon.pdf

Thakur ji, your analysis please.


That is just a representative image.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 22 Dec 2017 14:01

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From INDRA page:

Types of Modern Helmets in India
(1) Viper P2 Helmets : In service with SG , Navy , Patna ATS and similar will be issued to officers & commanders
(2) Advance Combat Helmet ACH of CAPFs issued by MHA
(3) TATA made ACH of PARA SF with more protection at the back side
(4) Highcut ACH of PARA SF used in special missions
(5) MKU Mukut ACH : 1.5 L ordered 50000 of them will have communication , rails & NVG mount
(6) Isreali Orlite Helmet of Para commandos
(7) PASGT helmet
(8) LWH ( Light Weight Helmet ) of CAPFs they bought few years back
(9) SRG Company made ACH with Attached rails in service with NSG

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 29 Dec 2017 08:25

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MKU mukut helmet percolating in the field.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 29 Dec 2017 08:31

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Denel NTW-20 with HE round.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby shiv » 29 Dec 2017 18:27

^^^ :shock: :shock:
Looks da-aaaangerous!

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 30 Dec 2017 05:00

Thakur_B wrote:MKU mukut helmet percolating in the field.


Finally! 8)

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 30 Dec 2017 12:12

^^ Quite accurate too. But at 30+ kgs so heavy to carry and the recoil is almost a shoulder cracker to the inexperienced.

The Croatians with their lighter single shot RT-20, tried to solve the recoil issue by adding a counter-recoil reactive tube above the gun barrel, to funnels gasses from the cartridge out the back end. It didn't solve the problem entirely.. and IMHO made it ergonomically worse for the shooter.

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Link to video on Youtube here

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 30 Dec 2017 19:21

^^ Before the 84 mm Charlie-g, the swedes had a 20 mm recoilless rifle, m42, again from M/s Carl Gustaf, which was reasonably successful. The rifle pushed the boundaries of recoil and carry weight was around 11 kgs. It used ammunition closer to 23 mm Soviet cannon round, but most of the gases exited through the venturi tube at the rear. I think the idea deserves a rethink today.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 31 Dec 2017 08:50

The rifle pushed the boundaries of recoil and carry weight was around 11 kgs


Wow. Could you share some links please. Would like to see the construct and material used.

And you are right. Definitely worth a relook. The nature of today's asymmetrical conflicts do afford a place for older simpler and economical weapons.
(I think Shiv saar had started a thread on the same as well)

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 09:44

Manish_P wrote:
The rifle pushed the boundaries of recoil and carry weight was around 11 kgs


Wow. Could you share some links please. Would like to see the construct and material used.

And you are right. Definitely worth a relook. The nature of today's asymmetrical conflicts do afford a place for older simpler and economical weapons.
(I think Shiv saar had started a thread on the same as well)


https://www.forgottenweapons.com/carl-gustav-m42-a-20mm-recoilless-antitank-rifle/

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:08

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=171391
MKU has purchased the production license of DRDO's bullet proof jacket .
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Meanwhile, good news on procurement of BPJ, all three Indian firms competing for the tender have qualified, whereas last time around, all had failed forcing army to go for emergency procurement of 50,000 jackets that were not GSQR compliant. The delivery of those jackets has been completed.
http://www.theweek.in/news/india/armys-new-bullet-proof-jackets-clear-trials-set-to-be-finalised.html

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:38

Pistol caliber conversion of M4 carbine in service with Telangana police.
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^^ This seems like a wasteful expenditure. Buying M4 for SWAT roles seems alright, but there are cheaper alternates to cost of M4 + 9 mm conversion kit.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:42

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Manipur police with captured Romanian RPK.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:46

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Chattisgarh Police with older Excalibur.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:48

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BEL Passive Night Sights for AKM and INSAS.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 11:53

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In the grand tradition of if there is a good weapon out there, we got to have it, Steyr Aug in service with CRPF :|

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 31 Dec 2017 11:54



Thanks. Shoulder fired single shot with a huge cartridge shell for anti-armor.

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Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 31 Dec 2017 14:34

MP-5SD, integrally suppressed version. In service with Mumbai police SWAT and NSG
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Suppressed M4 in service with PARA SF
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