Terroristan - 29 September 2017

[Gagan]

Z A Bhutto had 2 sons and 2 daughters. His wife Nusrat was Iranian Kurdish
1. Shahnawaz (died 1985)
2. Sanam (Still alive) - Not in politics
3. Murtaza (Died 1996)
4. Benazir (Died 2007)

After ZAB was hanged by Zia in 1979, both sons (Shahnawaz & Murtaza) married 2 afghan sisters from the Afghan royal family in Kabul, and lived in exile there. Both sons formed Al-Zulfiqar, which hijacked a Peshawar-Karachi flight and took it to kabul in 1981. Murtaza shot & killed a Major in the flight because he was in the Army. The hijacking was on for 13 days, and Zia had to release several PPP workers from jails to end the hijack.
The two brothers made several attempts to overthrow Zia during this period.

Shahnawaz was found dead in his house in Nice, France in 1985, his wife, Rehana, was the prime suspect per the french police. Murtaza divorced his wife as a result, as the two were sisters. Shahnawaz's wife was ultimately cleared by french police. Zia used the opportunity to blame Shahnawaz for dying due to alcoholism. Shahnawaz's funeral was held in Larkana Sindh, which was attended by 25,000 people. His wife and daughter, Sassi, moved to the US and live there still.

Murtaza married Ghinwa, a Lebanese-Syrian, when he was in exile in Syria - his 2nd marriage. Ghinwa was a ballet dancer and teacher prior to marriage.
Murtaza, returned from exile after BB became PM, and had a difficult relationship (36 ka aankada) with Asif Zardari. Muratza was very critical of Zardari and the Government. He was sought to be questioned by Karachi Police for inciting attacks on two CIA centers in Sept 1996. Murtaza remained defiant, stating that he will not be caught alive. He was killed in a shootout with the police outside his Clifton, Karachi residence. He and 6 party workers died in the shootout. When BB was dismissed, Zardari was arrested for being involvement in Murtaza's murder, but later released.
20 police officers involved in the shootout were cleared by courts.

Ghinwa lives in Karachi with Murtaza's son Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Junior, and step-daughter Fatima Bhutto. Ghinwa formed the PPP-SB [Pakistan Peoples Party (Shaheed Bhutto)] and ran for office in 2002. BB convinced Nusrat, her mother to stand against Ghinwa. But Ghinwa was not allowed to contest as she did not possess a University degree - as people might imagine there was no AXACT University then.
Fatima Bhutto - the daughter of Murtaza and his first wife, the Afghan Farzana, grew up in New York and studied there and in London. She is a writer, and is critical of BB and Zardari. She has resisted joining politics.

ZAB's grandsons are:
1. ZAB Jr
2. Bilawal Zardari Bhutto
3. 2 sons of Sanam Bhutto - who are not in politics

[schinnas]

Nawaz Joins Khalida Zia In Saudi "Corruption List"

Saudi’s anti-corruption drive: Khaleda Zia, 4 other high-profile foreigners named
Asian Age Online

Allegations of accumulating unlawfully earned money and assets have been brought against five high-profile foreign nationals including former prime minister of Bangladesh Begum Khaleda Zia, current Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Al Hariri and former prime minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif. Another two names were not revealed by the television channel. Reportedly these persons have amassed mammoth assets in Saudi Arabia and other parts of Middle East through money laundering, extortion, bribery and undue privileges by holding higher government posts in their respective countries.

Mian Sherif and Khaleeda Zia we're likely owned by other factions of Saudi royalty. Now they have to enter into a deal with MBS to save some of the wealth and to prevent bad news from destroying their political careers.

Double win for MBS. He now owns Ganja and Khaleeda Zia totally, leaders of major political parties of two of the most populous Sunni states. Additionally he gets to confiscate billions of their I'll gotten wealth to add to state treasury or his personal fund or a combination of both. He is relentless in improving the finances of Saudi govt ahead in order to execute his mega plans for economic transformation. Wealth of his prince breathern and that of other umma leaders is now running to about 100 Billion USD....enough to seed fund his new city project. Not bad.

[schinnas]

India needs to keep a very very close watch on MBS and his influence in Pakistan and Bangladesh. The man is very rash and unpredictable and has made all old assumptions and equations redundant. We need to cultivate some one in his circle of influence to understand his games better if not to influence him

[Falijee]

Punjab couple arrested for 'sex trafficking girls to Saudi Arabia'
The Express Tribune

The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) has claimed to have arrested a married couple, alleKged members of a human trafficking gang that sends girls from Punjab to Saudi Arabia to work as sex workers.Suspects Hasan Imtiaz and his wife Sameena were arrested in Toba Tek Singh on Friday for allegedly deceiving a family in sending their two young girls to the Kingdom as employees, Express News reported on Friday. The girls, however, were sold in Pakistan and later illegally trafficked to Saudi Arabia to work as prostitutes.

Sin # 1 : Sex Trafficking (AKA "prostitution) a sin in any religion which includes Malsi
Sin # 2 : "Sanctity of The "Land Of The Two Holy Mosques" violated by a non-kaffir
And then the Pakis- in light of the above - wonder why a biometrics contract to verify their credentials for a Saudi visa is given to an Indian Company based in ME

According to FIA officials, the suspects belonged to a six-member gang and raids were being carried out to nab the remaining associates of the sex trafficking ring.

Pakistan is considered one of those countries that do not fully comply with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, where the numbers of people trafficked was significant or significantly increasing, according to the US State Department.Would be "interesting" to find out whether these "poor girls" are being offered to the Paki Aam Abduls working in Saudia or the "client base" is strictly restricted to Saudi residents !

[arun]

"TRACK THOO TALKS" IS ALIVE AND WELL AS PER THIS REPORT
"Chai-biskoot time in Bangkok " ! (weather must be good this time in Bang- Cock )

Mehr Tarar Retweeted
Jalil Abbas Jilani‏ @JalilJilani
23h23 hours ago

Jalil Abbas Jilani Retweeted Jinnah Institute

Happy to be part of Chaophraya Dialogue ( Pakistan India track 2) in Bangkok. Candid and Frank exchange of views among Pakistani and Indian participants made it interesting and productive

Under the auspices of the "DJinnah Institute" !


Jalil Abbas Jilani, Happymon Jacob, SenatorSherryRehman and 6 others

Apart from few, not sure who is who

The Indian Delegates (Not necessarily appearing in the photograph) are:

Prof. Amitabh Mattoo

Mr. Ashok Malik

Mr. Siddharth Varadarajan

Mr. Vivek Katju

Amb. G. Parthasarathy

Dr. Mohan Guruswamy

Mr. Baijayant Jay Panda

Lt. Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain

Prof. C. Rajamohan

Dr. Happymon Jacob

Dr. Mallika Joseph

Ms. Shoma Chaudhury

Dr. Meenakshi Gopinath

Prof. Gulshan Sachdeva

Prof. Shakil Romshoo

Aarti Tikoo

Roomana Hukil

Ishan Dhar

Iltija Javed

[SSridhar]

"TRACK THOO TALKS" IS ALIVE AND WELL AS PER THIS REPORT
"Chai-biskoot time in Bangkok " ! (weather must be good this time in Bang- Cock)

Jalil Abbas Jilani Retweeted Jinnah Institute

Happy to be part of Chaophraya Dialogue ( Pakistan India track 2) in Bangkok. Candid and Frank exchange of views among Pakistani and Indian participants made it interesting and productive

Under the auspices of the "DJinnah Institute !

No sir, not under the auspices of the Jinnah Institute. Under the auspices of the White House.

I recall my earlier post here on Oct 25. This is the result of the new South Asia policy after review by the Trump administration. This is one occasion where I am sad to be proven right.

One of the major goals of Rex T's visit to India is to kick-start the India-Pakistan peace dialogue. The US continues to believe, and that belief seems to have got more muscularity in the Trump administration, that the Af-Pak issue is really India-Pak issue and peace in Kabul is through New Delhi & Rawalpindi-Islamabad. It feels that the Afghan issues would evaporate the moment India & Pakistan resolve their disputes.

[Peregrine]

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

Opinion - Dr Farrukh Saleem

Capital suggestion: Reforms

Reform means the “improvement or amendment of what is wrong, corrupt or unsatisfactory”. Pakistan is at point A where there’s plenty that is ‘wrong’; corruption is rampant and governance is totally ‘unsatisfactory’. There are 193 member-states of the United Nations of which 123 are constitutional democracies. Of the 123 constitutional democracies, ours is one of the worst. Our political culture is all about ‘families’ whereby “several members of a family are involved in politics, particularly electoral politics. Members are related by blood or marriage; often several generations or multiple siblings are involved in politics.”

Dynastic politics and poverty coexist. Dynastic politics and illiteracy are correlated. Dynastic politics means reduced electoral competition among candidates as party tickets are awarded on the basis of loyalty rather than merit. What we need is competition in politics. What we need is merit in politics. We must move from Point A to Point B. How do we get from Point A to Point B?

To be certain, almost all institutions of the state have been captured – captured by a thousand families to extract private gains. The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) is a captured entity. The Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) is a captured entity. The Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) is a captured entity – captured to extract private gains. This is Point A. We must move as far away as possible from Point A. But, how do we move from Point A to Point B?

To be certain, our economy is dominated by cartels. We have a banking cartel, a cement cartel, a sugar cartel, an automobile cartel, a rental power cartel and an oil cartel. The banking cartel pays three to five percent to depositors but charges 8-24 percent on loans. The cement cartel has 21 members with annual sales approaching Rs100 billion. The CCP called it “anti-competitive behaviour” and cement manufacturers including DG Khan Cement, Lucky Cement and Maple Leaf as “habitual cartel offenders”.

Of the 41 sugar mills in Punjab, at least 20 are owned by politicians of the PML-N and PML-Q. No wonder the federal government has given a subsidy of Rs10.70 per kg. Our ex-president Zardari owns directly or directly Sakrand Sugar, Ansari Sugar, Mirza Sugar, Pangrio Sugar and Bachani Sugar. No wonder the Sindh government has announced an additional subsidy of Rs9.30 per kg. The automobile cartel that has sales of Rs130 billion there is massive “collusion and cartelization” (according to the CCP).

Yes, the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) was a captured entity – captured to safeguard private gains. To be sure, our current system of checks and balances has completely failed. Pakistan is at Point A. We must move as far away from Point A as possible.

Competition in politics. Subject specialists in governance. And autonomous, powerful institutions of accountability. This is point B. This is where we want to be. Food for thought: How will we move from Point A to Point B? Who will move us from Point A to Point B? Can we move from Point A to Point B by remaining within the confines of the constitution?

Cheers

[Kashi]

I was surprised to see Amb. G. Parthasarathy and Lt. Gen Hasnain among the delegates. I am aware the G. Parthasarathy has been involved in similar initiatives before, but as far as I understand, their views do not agree with those of the majority of the "Indian" delegation.

[SSridhar]

^ yes, I agree. Both these gentlemen are misfits in the grouping as far as their well-known views are concerned.

[Vips]

Thank God for small mercies we have Gen Ata Hasnain and Ambassador Parthsarathy in the group, otherwise the other jokers in the group would start doing everything to enable visa free travel to and from Lahore.

[Falijee]

Stark Message From Pakjab Goberment Officials To Christians : Embrace "Malsi" And Get Sparred (From Jail !)
So much so for "equal rights" for minorities

Karachi_Post Retweeted
Zia Ur Rehman‏Verified account @zalmayzia
18h18 hours ago
An ex-Christian MP claimed #Punjab's deputy attorney general has been offering 78 Christians who are in jail to convert to Islam and got released from the prison.

[Falijee]

Immy Khan ( In Pathan Garb ) "Demands" FATA Merger ASAP To Consolidate His Party's Power Base In KP Province

Imran warns of ‘march’ over Fata-KP merger delay

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan on Saturday threatened to march on Islamabad if the government did not take any positive step towards merger of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province by tomorrow (Monday). The Pashtuns of the FATA Tribal Agencies are opposing the Paki Govt's attempt to "mainstream" them by merger with KP Province ( and hence the "terrorist incidents" in Peshawar and Khyber Tribal Agency ) and are also opposing the Paki Govt attempt to fence the artificial Durand Line, which separates from their brethren in Afghanistan !

Speaking at his party’s Fata Youth Convention, Mr Khan said the PTI wanted to see the merger of Fata with KP taking place before the 2018 general elections as further delay in this regard could provide another opportunity to the terrorists ( one person's "terrorist" is another person's "freedom fighter" ) to “get hold of the area”.

The PTI chief said they would be meeting on Monday (tomorrow) to review the government’s actions in this regard, after which “we will give the call”.

Mr Khan hit out at two government allies — Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party president Mehmood Khan Achakzai — for “opposing the merger of Fata with KP”.“The whole assembly agrees on merger. Only [Maulana] Fazlur Rehman and [Mr] Achakzai are the hurdles,” he said amidst slogans “diesel, diesel” against the JUI-F chief. He regretted that Mr Achakzai was creating hurdles even though “he had nothing to do with the matter”. Some people have even questioned Imran's status as a full -blooded Pashtun . At best he is a pseudo Pashtun, and worst as a Mianwali Pakjabi

The PTI chief said that war-torn Fata needed development and reconstruction which was not possible without its merger with KP. He was of the view that if they failed to merge Fata and KP now then it would only be possible in 2023 and by that time it would be too late. He is power hungry and that is about it !

Another side of the coin from this veteran politician

‘Fata-KP merger will not be allowed against people’s wishes’

[Falijee]

"Paki Homos" Coming Out Of The Proverbial Closet Through "Back Door Entry" In Bartania

Thousands of Pakistani gays stranded in Britain after denied asylum

LONDON – The British authorities have refused nearly 70% of all asylum claims from people who cite sexual orientation as a reason, including those from countries where being gay can be punishable by death.According to Home Office figures released for the first time, there were a total of 3,535 claims where being gay was given as a reason or part of the basis for seeking asylum into the UK. This figure amounts to roughly 6% of the total 58, 761 asylum claims made between 1 July 2015 and 31 March 2017.

The figures show 20% of the 1,000 asylum claims from people from Pakistan gave being gay or bisexual as a reason, the highest figure of all the nationalities. Of the 1,000 claims, only 233 were granted asylum in the first instance, with 700 initially refused. Those rejected should not be discouraged . They can "look forward" to a Kannadian Vijja as that country has "liberal assylum" policies, under their newly minted PM, who is both Pro-Pakistani as well as Pro-Gay

Homosexuality is largely taboo in Pakistan and a number of influential clerics ( who, if media reports are to be believed, are themselves "caught in this UnIslamic practice of molesting young boys ) have called for punishments for same-sex relationships. Some cities like Karachi are opening up to the idea, and underground “sex clubs” are widely spoken of. However, in more rural areas where kangaroo courts rule, punishments can be rape and killing.

[Falijee]

Pakis Being "Hurt At The LOC" If You Read Between The Lines

Pakistan slams India for turning down peace message

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday accused India of turning down its "message for peace" by refusing to stop ceasefire violations. Foreign Office spokesman Mohammad Faisal claimed that Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif in a letter to his Indian counterpart Sushma Swaraj had urged for calm and respect for the 2003 ceasefire agreement. The language is very "toned down" !

"India has responded to the letter and instead of accepting our message for peace once again repeated old allegation of cross border incursions and refused to stop violations," the spokesperson said. Orwellian twist of words !

Faisal also said that India was not ready for independent verification of its allegations or accept Pakistan's proposal to give proper access to the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP).
India maintains that the UNMOGIP has outlived its utility and is irrelevant after the Simla Agreement and the consequent establishment of the Line of Control (LoC). The robust Indian (verbal and otherwise ) response needs no further eleboration !

[ArjunPandit]

Immy Khan ( In Pathan Garb ) "Demands" FATA Merger ASAP To Consolidate His Party's Power Base In KP Province

Doesnt the heart of Compassion International beat for these 'trapped souls' or their death will quicken their meeting with God?

[deejay]

^ yes, I agree. Both these gentlemen are misfits in the grouping as far as their well-known views are concerned.

I think even Mr. Baijayant Jay Panda is a misfit here. I may be wrong.

[Peregrine]

X Posted on the Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad Thread

Pakistani-origin 'sex gangs' target white girls in UK: Report

LONDON: Gangs of Pakistani-origin men lure white girls with alcohol and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them as they fail to integrate within British society due to their Asian heritage, an anti-extremism think-tank has said in a new report.

The study by UK-based Quilliam group calls for greater government support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern UK society.

"We began thinking we would debunk the media narrative that Asians are over-represented in this specific crime. But, when the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed. For both of us being of Pakistani heritage, this issue is deeply personal and deeply disturbing," said Muna Adil, one of two authors of the report called 'Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs'.

Quilliam looked at 58 cases of grooming gangs identified in the UK between 2005 and 2017, which led to 264 convictions.

They discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin and mostly of Pakistani heritage. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact that Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the study noted.

"There has been a lot of coverage of grooming gangs recently, ranging from the politically correct, who don't want to talk about it, and the bigots who want to use it for hate. Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away, and letting bigots hijack the debate creates further division in society. We as a society need to tackle this head on," noted Haras Rafiq, chief executive of Quilliam.

The study found that while girls from the Asian community were seen as "protected" because chastity was linked to "family honour", young white women were deemed "easy targets" and "open to sexual relationships with a little persuasion".

They also identified how men in the gangs had shared a common view of their sexual abuse, having collectively justified their behaviour, according to the new study quoted in the UK media.

"The notion that certain cultures are out of bounds when it comes to criticism is not just misguided and misinformed, but often allows the most vulnerable individuals from society to continue to be victimised and abused," the report notes.

Since 2011, groups of men - mostly of Pakistani origin - have been prosecuted for organised sex-grooming crimes against hundreds of girls across cities of England like Rochdale, Rotherham and Birmingham.

Cheers

[Falijee]

Sohail ( AVM) Appears To Be The New Tough Fauji

Democracy is not a solution to each country, says Air Chief Sohail Aman

ISLAMABAD (92 News) – Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman has said that democracy is not a solution to each country.Addressing the four-day Air Tech Conference on Thursday, he announced that they aremanufacturing assembling ( a far cry from "manufacturing" ) the fifth generation fighter jets and will not beg for it. “We have told the US that we will shoot the drones in case of any violation,” he declared.Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman said that they would not let anyone derail peace gained after rendering innumerable sacrifices.He said that Pakistan becoming an atomic power is a guarantee to peace. "We will not spare terrorists. Solidarity will be defended at all costs,” he said. Emboldened by the Islamic Bum !. Air Chief Marshall Sohail Aman said that the Kamra Airbase attack was regrettable. “We have repaired the destroyed jets on self-help basis,” no Chini help he said. He urged students to face each challenge with resolve, courage, knowledge and competence.

[anupmisra]

On this snowy yet sunny New York Sunday, I bring you this wholesome entertainment to remind us all to again thank Al-djinnah for his foresight and steadfastness: <Enjoy!>

[Falijee]

AFTER FAIZABAD !

The Squeeky Wheel Get The Oil ( Of Malsi)

[Falijee]

PEMRA SUPPRESSED PAKI ARMY SHENANIGANS !
Not reported in Paki MSM

Mohammad Taqi Retweeted
Allah Nazar Baloch‏ @DrAllahNizar
Dec 8
Pakistan Army has abducted my second sister Sher Khatoon with her daughter and 2 grandchildren, 3yrs old Beebagr and 6 months old girl Mahen from Peezg Raghai area of district Washuk and shifted them to Mashkay army camp.

[VinodTK]

Pakistani-origin 'sex gangs' target white girls in UK: Report

LONDON: Gangs of Pakistani-origin men lure white girls with alcohol and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them as they fail to integrate within British society due to their Asian heritage, an anti-extremism think-tank has said in a new report.

The study by UK-based Quilliam group calls for greater government support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern UK society.

"We began thinking we would debunk the media narrative that Asians are over-represented in this specific crime. But, when the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed. For both of us being of Pakistani heritage, this issue is deeply personal and deeply disturbing," said Muna Adil, one of two authors of the report called 'Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs'.

Quilliam looked at 58 cases of grooming gangs identified in the UK between 2005 and 2017, which led to 264 convictions.

They discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin and mostly of Pakistani heritage. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact that Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the study noted.

"There has been a lot of coverage of grooming gangs recently, ranging from the politically correct, who don't want to talk about it, and the bigots who want to use it for hate. Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away, and letting bigots hijack the debate creates further division in society. We as a society need to tackle this head on," noted Haras Rafiq, chief executive of Quilliam.

[VinodTK]

Pakistani-origin 'sex gangs' target white girls in UK: Report

LONDON: Gangs of Pakistani-origin men lure white girls with alcohol and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them as they fail to integrate within British society due to their Asian heritage, an anti-extremism think-tank has said in a new report.

The study by UK-based Quilliam group calls for greater government support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern UK society.

"We began thinking we would debunk the media narrative that Asians are over-represented in this specific crime. But, when the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed. For both of us being of Pakistani heritage, this issue is deeply personal and deeply disturbing," said Muna Adil, one of two authors of the report called 'Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs'.

Quilliam looked at 58 cases of grooming gangs identified in the UK between 2005 and 2017, which led to 264 convictions.

They discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin and mostly of Pakistani heritage. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact that Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the study noted.

"There has been a lot of coverage of grooming gangs recently, ranging from the politically correct, who don't want to talk about it, and the bigots who want to use it for hate. Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away, and letting bigots hijack the debate creates further division in society. We as a society need to tackle this head on," noted Haras Rafiq, chief executive of Quilliam.

The study found that while girls from the Asian community were seen as "protected" because chastity was linked to "family honour", young white women were deemed "easy targets" and "open to sexual relationships with a little persuasion".

They also identified how men in the gangs had shared a common view of their sexual abuse, having collectively justified their behaviour, according to the new study quoted in the UK media.

"The notion that certain cultures are out of bounds when it comes to criticism is not just misguided and misinformed, but often allows the most vulnerable individuals from society to continue to be victimised and abused," the report notes.

Since 2011, groups of men - mostly of Pakistani origin - have been prosecuted for organised sex-grooming crimes against hundreds of girls across cities of England like Rochdale, Rotherham and Birmingham.

[Vips]

^^^
Gangs of Pakistani-origin men lure white girls with alcohol and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them as they fail to integrate within British society due to their Asian heritage, an anti-extremism think-tank has said in a new report.( So the excuse is because the pakistanis did not integrate they are raping and sexually abusing white girls. Of course it is not pakistanis to be blamed if they are not integrating. It is not heir fault!!!!! )

The study by UK-based Quilliam group calls for greater government support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern UK society. ( So the Pakistani NGO's will get more funds to enjoy from the UK Government

Who is authoring the report - Muna Adil and Haras Rafiq , both Pakis and hence doing Taqiyya to soft peddle the issue and at the same time get UK Pounds to supposedly fight it.

[periaswamy]

Pakis working on creating terrorists out of Rohingyas (LeT Reaches out to Rohingyas)

Abdul Rehman, an Islamic Centre official on the run and a cleric handling finances arriving from the large Rohingya diaspora in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, was responsible for knitting together ARSA’s assault plans, the sources said. He, in turn, drew in a Karachi-based jihadist who used the name “Umar Farooq”.

[Falijee]

Wife Sugar-Daddy # 1 is Still More Important Than New Wife # 2

The relationship with US matters whether we like it or not
Raza Rumi

Despite the tough posturing by the United States and Pakistan, following the announcement of Trump’s South Asia strategy, both countries have resumed diplomatic engagement in recent weeks. The latest was the visit of US Defence Secretary James Mattis to Pakistan.

The limits of US leverage over Pakistan have been clear for some time. But this year Islamabad’s China card, at least symbolically, indicates a measure of confidence in Pakistan’s approach to the tangled relationships with Afghanistan and the US. Truth be told, it is US , through its institutions is propping Pakistan financially !

Pakistan’s security calculations have undergone some revision.

Second, the US is no longer shy of courting India and it is clear that the latter is its long-term partner in the region. Therefore, New Delhi has a role in Afghanistan whether Pakistan likes it or not. The early inauguration of Chahbahar port and Indo-Iranian cooperation are hard facts to ignore. Pakistan is looking for a new suitor, and is courting Russia also !

A certain measure of resetting the strategy has also taken place within American policy circles. Many observers in Washington hold that Pakistan – despite its ‘perfidy’ – is needed to secure US interests in Afghanistan. And while India maybe the destination for US firms and necessary to balance regional power vis-à-vis China, it is Pakistan that can deliver on some if not all the goods when it comes to Afghanistan. Given the increased gulf between Washington and Tehran, once again Pakistan is key to finding a regional solution to the Taliban who are now assisted by Iran as well. Increase in "Paki Market Value"

Pakistan’s refusal to play ball regarding US concerns has been made public by Gen John Nicholson, commander of US forces in Afghanistan. Days before Gen Mattis’ trip here – he told a Senate hearing that Islamabad had not acted upon the ‘clear’ demands made by Washington. Similarly, CIA chief Mike Pompeo suggested that the US will do ‘everything it can’ to destroy ‘safe heavens’ if we don’t follow through on American demands. Tough talk by senior Washington officials on the eve of Secretary Mattis’ visit increased pressure on Pakistan.

For Pakistan, however, the stakes are perhaps much higher. Despite the propaganda that China is there to save us – the relationship with the US matters. It cannot be underestimated regardless of the hawkish (and sometimes sponsored) narratives that find their way into the media. There is a large Pakistani diaspora that transfers remittances, knowledge and technologies back ‘home’. ‘The US remains a big market for our goods and let’s not forget that we are still borrowing from international financial institutions such as the World Bank. Washington influences their policies and lending decisions, as Pakistani bureaucrats know rather well. All rhetoric of disengagement is meaningless unless this country’s elites reform the rotten tax structure, civil service and divert resources towards human development. The country's elites do not believe in income or any other tax . In this context , the shenanigans of Ganja Sharif, Dus Percent Zardari and Taliban supporter Imran Khan , are there for all to see

The larger question that should inform policy debate is how long are we willing to bank on violent extremists as tools of security. Especially when their brethren have wreaked havoc in Pakistan. And continue to do so. A larger and more real ‘Afghanistan’ exists beyond the Taliban prism. US pressure or not – it is in our long-term interest to move on. Instead of abandoning extremist policies, Paki Establishment is continuing its earlier policies and now is preparing to mainstream the radical Islamists as well !!

[Falijee]

"Fire Chat" And Pearls Of Wisdom Bull Shit By Kammandu Mush

‘Pakistan should have sided with Saudi Arabia and UAE against Qatar’, says Pervez Musharraf

DUBAI: Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf continues to make headlines with his outspoken views. He is publicity hungry !. At 74, the former army chief, who lives with his mother and wife in a tastefully decorated apartment in downtown Dubai, Source of funds to purchase the flat still unknown, unless you factor the "gift" of $2 Million or so, by late Saudi Monarch King Abdullah

In an exclusive interview with Arab News, ( this "frequent flyer" is somehow restricted to Dubai these days , as he is finding it hard to get his Paki passport renewed ) he spoke about various issues facing Pakistan and beyond.

. Some of the BS is as under :

Jerusalem
Musharraf described President Donald Trump’s decision to move the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem as “disastrous.”

“Maybe in this multipolar world we (Muslim countries) need to use China and Russia to counter this decision. We can only do this through diplomacy.”

English speaking Paki Diplomats at your service. There appears to be no takers at the present time .

Qatar

Musharraf criticized the Pakistani government for not siding with the Anti-Terror Quartet (ATQ) — comprising Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain — against Qatar. This was expected for two reasons. Raheel, his "best friend" is serving the Saudi cause . And UAE , where he is "sitting" cannot afford to annoy the Saudis !!!

Kashmir

Musharraf’s words and deeds on Kashmir continue to be an area of interest for most observers and stakeholders. No Paki can stop forgetting this "so-called unfinished business of partition". Mush is no exception

Kargil

Musharraf described Kargil — an armed conflict between India and Pakistan between May and July 1999 — as a successful operation militarily even though it failed politically. “We failed politically because (then-Prime Minister) Nawaz Sharif’s government came under US and Indian pressure, because of which we had to withdraw,” Musharraf said. Some earlier reports suggested that it was Mush who requested the civilian govt's help to involve the US

Indian Army

“There’s no doubt that India has a bigger army compared to us. We mustn’t underplay that,” Musharraf said.

Maintaining such a large army is not easy for India, he said.

Siachen, for example, is a liability because of communications and logistics issues,” he said.

“From our side, approaching Siachen is much easier.

All belong to the category of for which he is "famous"
Trump administration

“We should stop blaming Trump” for the state of US-Pakistani relations, Musharraf said

“If we allow India, or for that matter any other country, to influence Trump, it’s our failure. We shouldn’t blame others for that,” he added. Because, he is not in power, Paki Diplomacy is flawed !

China

Musharraf rejected the notion that Pakistan is over-romanticizing the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and Chinese investment in the port city of Gwadar.

“In today’s world, geo-economics will determine geopolitics and geo-strategies. CPEC gives us an excellent opportunity to use our strategic location to our favor,” he said. So, he agrees with the "selling" of Gawadar to the Chinis !

Lashkar-e-Taiba

The governments of former Pakistani Prime Ministers “Benazir Bhutto and Sharif supported LeT and its involvement in the Kashmir struggle,” Musharraf said.“When I came to power, I continued supporting it. I always believe that mujahideen aren’t terrorists,” he said.
“Unlike Al-Qaeda and Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), LeT has never been involved in any terrorist activities in Pakistan,” he said. "The good terrorist" and the "bad terrorist" classification of the Paki Deep State.

He added that it is unfair to question his secular image because he supports a religious organization’s welfare work. “I’m very secular. I’m proud of that. My parents are secular. My family is secular. I have best friends from other faiths,” he said. Zia -ul- Haq's favourite actor was Shatragun Sinha , a Hindu from India. Does that make Zia a secularist

Pakistan’s religious social fabric

To understand Pakistan, one needs to understand its religious environment,

Mush considers himself as a moderate
Party’s future

He is delusional if he is "optimistic about his party's future !!

[arun]

Indian Express reports that Mani Shankar Aiyar did indeed host on December 6th a dinner for the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s former foreign affairs minister, Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri .

Our former COAS General Deepak Kapoor (Retd) has confirmed on record that he attended the dinner party.

Other of our countrymen at the dinner fraternising with those from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan besides Aiyar include our former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, our former Vice President Hamid Ansari, former foreign minister K Natwar Singh, and former diplomats Salman Haidar, TCA Raghavan, Sharat Sabharwal, K Shankar Bajpai and Chinmaya Gharekhan, among others. Bajpai, Raghavan and Sabharwal had served as Indian High Commissioners to Pakistan.

Seems that all the politician and bureaucrat turned politician types attending ie: our Former PM Manmohan Singh, our Former VP Hamid Ansari, Mani Shankar Aiyar, K Natwar Singh and Salman Haider are linked to the Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty controlled Congress Party.

Greatly disappointed at this fraternisation with the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic republic of Pakistan by senior members of the out of power Nehru Gandhi Dynasty led Congress Party and thus see some recompense if some of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s and the BJP’s rather far-fetched mudslinging that this soireee had a domestic Gujarat election dimension following what Mani Shankar Aiyar subsequently said, sticks to the Congress:

At Mani Shankar Aiyar’s dinner: Former army chief, ex-diplomats : The dinner meeting was held on December 6 at Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar’s residence in Delhi during the visit of Pakistan’s former foreign affairs minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri to India.

[srin]

We need our own Logan Act.

[yensoy]

Kasuri should not have been invited. He could have called in on Skype. Old Paki establishment types are the enemy here. We have Mush spouting his venom on camera, and the repeated invitations he keeps getting from the Lutyens gangs. That rascal should come to India only in handcuffs.

Having invited Kasuri, we should have ensured that he ate dinner in the confines of his hotel room and nowhere else. Rolling out the red carpet for these vermin is not in the national interest. We are giving them a podium to expound on the virtues of peace, a peace they have no belief in, and allowing them to grandstand.

[periaswamy]

Given the track thoo stuff that happened in Thailand recently, this seems to be congress's own tr ack-thoo negotiations. Apparently, congress wants to meet with foreign governments all by themselves, just like they met the chinese during the recent doklam standoff.

[SSridhar]

It is so disappointing that the circle of attendees was much larger than the usual suspects and renowned personalities also attended the dinner. Very appalling. Why was Kasuri given a visa in the first place? Why do we need Pakistanis to come here? This is morale-sapping. GoI is succumbing like all other previous governments whom we had correctly blamed before for inconsistent policies and listening to the US. Waiting for a Chankian-type justification.

[yensoy]

Actually I feel that meeting 3rd parties for track-2 would be normally okay except if these countries are Pak and China, and for entirely different reasons:
1. Pakis are liars (tauqqiya?) and look for all opportunities to impress the audience with sweet words, shayri and inane stuff only to revert to their merry ways when they return to Terroristan. If you aren't trained to look right through the Paki exterior, be totally unimpressed by the overt displays of culture and eloquence and dig right into the hard questions, then it's best that you don't talk to the Pakis.

2. Chinese just don't understand the concept of nuanced or differing opinions. Any admission of weakness to the Chinese by anyone, even someone with absolutely no official authority, will be used against you. To the Chinese there is only one viewpoint and everyone must speak the same language - any lack of adherence to the script only means that you don't have a unified view and/or evidence; and that will be used by the Chinese mouthpieces to harangue and undermine you till you give up. If you aren't trained to think like the Chinese, best you don't deal with them.

Track-2 is perfectly fine with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Russia, USA, etc, etc...

[chetak]

It is so disappointing that the circle of attendees was much larger than the usual suspects and renowned personalities also attended the dinner. Very appalling. Why was Kasuri given a visa in the first place? Why do we need Pakistanis to come here? This is morale-sapping. GoI is succumbing like all other previous governments whom we had correctly blamed before for inconsistent policies and listening to the US. Waiting for a Chankian-type justification.

kasuri and other paki vermin like him have been given multiple entry long term SAARC visas for India. The same goes for many poisonous journos from other SAARC countries, including India who have reciprocating facilities.

Its high time that such visas be reviewed and pruned drastically.

bimbos like meher tarar of the shampoo man fame also fall into this category, IIRC.

vardarajan is two faced and one wonders who his true masters are??

ansari representing eyeranian and other extra territorial interests?? Simply goes to show how much khujli Modi's rise has caused in the entire region.

what's with the recently retired P and VP?? Do they have to do the things that both of them are doing these days??

Its high time that the BJP cut these two down to their proper size and exposed their longstanding "pristine" personalities, no??.

[Falijee]

THE BELOW TWO "F- ARTICLES" BELONG TO THE "FAKE NEWS" GENRE . MANUFACTURED IN SIALKOT. SOLD IN SLUMBAD :mrgreen:

Tehran won't allow India to use Chabahar port to undermine Pakistan, say Iranian diplomats
The Express Tribune

Some gems from the "two novels":

This was no coincidence, as Hasil Bizenjo was asked to stand next to Rowhani in a carefully choreographed move

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it would not allow India or any other country to use Chabahar against Pakistan, said a senior Iranian diplomat, who requested not to be named so that he could speak freely on the subject.

Pakistan, according to official sources, has given firm assurances to Iran that Islamabad would not become part of an initiative that targets the Islamic Republic. Raheel's nefarious role in Saudia

But the Iranian diplomat played down the India hype as ‘psychological warfare.’ He said the Iranian president has already mentioned that Chabahar and Gwadar ports would complement each other in the future and that a memorandum of understanding ( hush - hush ) to this effect has already been signed.

This unprecedented bonhomie did not happen overnight but after months of rigorous efforts from both sides. The visit of army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa was the culmination of those efforts.

Is Pakistan really snatching IT jobs from India?

The Express Tribune

KARACHI: An Indian magazine recently published an article that said Pakistan was now gradually taking over low-end information technology (IT) jobs from India.

According to Indian magazine Outlook India, on November 1, a US-based IT company shifted its 125 remote jobs from Indian city Noida to Islamabad.

Pakistan is a budding IT industry when compared with that of India. ( Obviously, he is not "talking" about the other IT, where Pakistan is the undisputed leader ) Indian IT industry’s size is 51 times bigger than that of Pakistan and is worth $154 billion including $38 billion in domestic sales and $117 billion in exports.

Pakistan is also getting foreign investment in the IT sector. Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba is going to invest $400 million in Pakistan while China Telecom Global (CTG) is planning to upgrade Pakistan’s optical fibre network in partnership with Pakistan Telecommunication Company, which will greatly help in the growth of IT sector in the country. CPEC Zindabad

Ironically, Pakistan’s government does not provide needed support for its technology sector, restricting its rapid growth. What about the NR Pakistanis in the news every day, promoting the cause of IT ( International Terrorism ). I guess the Pakis are "satisfied" to get the "crumbs of IT jobs" which other countries reject outright

[Falijee]

Pakistan "Gate Crashing" Under The Banner Of IOC To Curry Favour With The Arabs? Who's Who Of Paki Politico Off To Turkee

PM Shahid Khaqan, CM Shahbaz Sharif to leave for Turkey to attend OIC conference on Jerusalem

[SSridhar]

kasuri and other paki vermin like him have been given multiple entry long term SAARC visas for India. The same goes for many poisonous journos from other SAARC countries, including India who have reciprocating facilities.

Its high time that such visas be reviewed and pruned drastically.

Visas do not mean automatic entry into a country. That's only determined at the port of entry. We cannot take refuge under the rubric of earlier regime for every misfortune or violation. Kasuri could have been stopped at Wagah or New Delhi or Mumbai, wherever he entered, if we had really wanted to.

If we had decided, as we were told to believe, that a holistic approach against Pakistan would be taken to isolate it (and frequent claims of isolation working too), then, I am at a loss to know how the Kasuris are entering India. One can only surmise from a number of events, such as re-starting medical visas for Pakistanis, appointment of an interlocutor for J&K, Track-II in Bangkok, allowing Kasuri & the Pakistani HC to hold private meetings etc. Kasuri was an important interlocutor during Musharraf's days and he has claimed that Man Mohan Singh & Musharraf had come very close to a deal. He is being activated now and the presence of an otherwise reticent Man Mohan Singh in the dinner seems to confirm the suspicion.

The only explanation is that there is now a change in GoI's approach and we mere mortals do not know what prompted that. Is there less terror? is there less border firing? Is Pakistan taking action against their terrorists who attacked us? Has Pakistan turned in some of the most wanted terrorists who have been given refuge in their country? Has Pakistan lessened its support for terrorist groups within our country? Has fake currency printing ceased? No. The only conclusion therefore is that there is an external pressure.

[Falijee]

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[chetak]

kasuri and other paki vermin like him have been given multiple entry long term SAARC visas for India. The same goes for many poisonous journos from other SAARC countries, including India who have reciprocating facilities.

Its high time that such visas be reviewed and pruned drastically.

Visas do not mean automatic entry into a country. That's only determined at the port of entry. We cannot take refuge under the rubric of earlier regime for every misfortune or violation. Kasuri could have been stopped at Wagah or New Delhi or Mumbai, wherever he entered, if we had really wanted to.

If we had decided, as we were told to believe, that a holistic approach against Pakistan would be taken to isolate it (and frequent claims of isolation working too), then, I am at a loss to know how the Kasuris are entering India. One can only surmise from a number of events, such as re-starting medical visas for Pakistanis, appointment of an interlocutor for J&K, Track-II in Bangkok, allowing Kasuri & the Pakistani HC to hold private meetings etc. Kasuri was an important interlocutor during Musharraf's days and he has claimed that Man Mohan Singh & Musharraf had come very close to a deal. He is being activated now and the presence of an otherwise reticent Man Mohan Singh in the dinner seems to confirm the suspicion.

The only explanation is that there is now a change in GoI's approach and we mere mortals do not know what prompted that. Is there less terror? is there less border firing? Is Pakistan taking action against their terrorists who attacked us? Has Pakistan turned in some of the most wanted terrorists who have been given refuge in their country? Has Pakistan lessened its support for terrorist groups within our country? Has fake currency printing ceased? No. The only conclusion therefore is that there is an external pressure.

people like kasuri and some hyped up paki journos and persons of note etc travel with paki diplomatic passports. These can often be purchased in pakiland by paying off the right guys

While I do agree that visas alone do not guarantee entry to a country and the immigration officer at the port of entry gets to make the final call, such scum are rarely stopped unless there is a clearcut instruction.

The amrekis are of the considered opinion that peace in kabul emanates from dilli. It is their selfish interests that are at play here. The pakis have driven a hard bargain. The insidious India paki hyphenation is back again.

India, as usual, will be left holding it's d**k in it's hands.

Using the SAARC visas, the number of pakis entering India at any given time is huge and in spite of IA and other Indian security personnel casualties on the border, we don't seem to care. So much for a nationalist govt. We have the clear upper hand but seem to have, like good Hindus, given it all away for zilch.

But what discussions can the pakis, including their HC have with the opposition parties in India?? Why are the congis meeting with the hans and the pakis without the GoI?? Unless amreki instructions err, orders have compelled them??

Would we dare do a similar thing in pakiland?? without the meeting receiving an additional guest in the form of a smartly dressed paki gent wearing the sartorially famed hafiz saeed vest making his grand entry with a bang??

[Peregrine]

Pak meddling charges: Manmohan Singh responds to PM Modi, says 'deeply pained by falsehoods'

NEW DELHI: Former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday lashed out at PM Narendra Modi for allegedly spreading "falsehood and canards" to "score political points in a lost cause."

"I am deeply pained and anguished by the falsehood and canards being spread to score political points in a lost cause by none less than PM Shri Narendra Modi. Fearing imminent defeat in Gujarat, desperation of Prime Minister to hurl every abuse and latch on to every straw is palpable," read a statement by the former PM.

Singh was responding to PM Modi's accusation that Congress leaders had secretly met the Pakistani foreign minister and its envoy before Mani Shankar Aiyar had called him a "neech" person. I believe this might be connected with the "DO" at the one's place who wants continuous and continuously as well as uninterrupted and Uninterruptible Terroristani Ishtiqlal and Ishtiqbal

He had alleged that the "three-hour secret meeting" was attended by Pakistan's high commissioner, its former foreign minister, former PM Manmohan Singh, and former Vice-President Hamid Ansari.

The Congress, too, had earlier today hit out at PM Modi for his "highly irresponsible comments," clarifying that the meeting was actually a social event attended by top dignitaries, diplomats and even the former Army chief.

Cheers