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ramana wrote:KaranM, CSIR or DRDO have penchant for variety when trying ab initio new projects with lot of risk.

Would love to see the trade study that led to pusher for Saras?

Kalam once gave speech where he described the various trade studies to come up with AGNI TDS with its hybrid stages.
Absolutely agree. Instead of creating a clean and simple design which can be used a foundation bed for civilian airliw building they went for the most weird design to prove a point. The design itself has been tried by aircraft manufactures and it has not being commercially succesful. Every first time designer tries out lowest common demoninator first before moving on to more complex design. Saras could have really opened up the market for regional air transport in India. Actually HAL license produced Dornier and Hawker Siddley so they were not completely new to these
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Again, where's the evidence they wanted to make any point? It seems more like a JV which went south (Russians ran out of funding and we couldn't compensate) and later on, when we did get funding, we went back to them (https://www.livefistdefence.com/2010/05 ... alled.html). If NAL was truly seeking to make some profound point about its own capabilities, it would not have asked the Russians (the original design creators, I suspect) for their input but stuck to its guns for the sake of (misplaced) pride. It didn't and sought the right expertise. But again, all this required funding. The SARAS thread is a better place to restart this discussion.
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Sorry will carry on in that thread.
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Thanks Ramana sir!
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ramana wrote:KaranM, CSIR or DRDO have penchant for variety when trying ab initio new projects with lot of risk.

Would love to see the trade study that led to pusher for Saras?

Kalam once gave speech where he described the various trade studies to come up with AGNI TDS with its hybrid stages.
Their risk analysis is way off.

for any design organisation, the mundane is better than the exotic, as far as initial projects go. The expertise available in India, both in terms manufacturing and design would have been better suited to exploiting a good, sturdy, maintainable and simple conventional aircraft.

A high wing conventional design would have better payoffs in terms of operating from less than pristine grit contaminated runways that abound in the country, especially in regional and sparsely used mofussil airports.

will continue in the other thread.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/vkthakur/sta ... 4603072512

VKThakur says ZSU-23-4 upgrade by BEL is a potential replacement for AD Guns.
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Thakur_B wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/vkthakur/sta ... 4603072512

VKThakur says ZSU-23-4 upgrade by BEL is a potential replacement for AD Guns.
Same was said back in 2001 :twisted:
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Update from DRDO
Technology available for transfer..

Polymeric Light Structural Blocks (Artificial Wood)
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/95 ... _Wood).pdf

INDIUM ACTIVATED ALUMINIUM SACRIFICAL ANODES
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/94 ... R-IASA.pdf

Vibration Isolation Tile(VISH)
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/96 ... (VISH).pdf
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As MoD decides to make another 39 defence items non-core, allowing private sector to manufacture than under #MakeInIndia machinery worth Rs 93 crore will go idle, while more than 6,000 ordnance employees will need retraining to do something else | @writetake @TOIBengaluru
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shiv wrote:As MoD decides to make another 39 defence items non-core, allowing private sector to manufacture than under #MakeInIndia machinery worth Rs 93 crore will go idle, while more than 6,000 ordnance employees will need retraining to do something else | @writetake @TOIBengaluru
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTLNhi5UQAAZl7Y.jpg
India needs a lot more BMP-2 ICVs. There was a plan in the last decade for VFJ Jabalpur to make BMP-2 in addition to OFB Medak. But OFB Medak employees went on strike protesting against a fellow OFB. The plan was scrapped and OFB Jabalpur assembles Stallion trucks from Ashok Leyland. The same trucks could be bought more cheaply from Ashok Leyland directly. OFB exists only for employee welfare.

Look at the list of 39 articles. Even Munger gunsmiths, ex OFB & IA staff, draw brass cartridges and make AK-47. OFB employees need to focus on doing better stuff, like Dhanush, BMPs and more T-90/Arjuns.
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shiv wrote:As MoD decides to make another 39 defence items non-core, allowing private sector to manufacture than under #MakeInIndia machinery worth Rs 93 crore will go idle, while more than 6,000 ordnance employees will need retraining to do something else | @writetake @TOIBengaluru
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTLNhi5UQAAZl7Y.jpg

OFB Employees do this now anyway.

Those seven shells do they include 155mm shells?
That would lick the shell balloting issue that is the bane of OFB shells.
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tsarkar wrote: OFB employees need to focus on doing better stuff, like Dhanush, BMPs and more T-90/Arjuns.
It would be worth while investment to pay them to stay at home.

It is better they don't produce anything, than produce faulty products and kill our service men & woman.
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old one.. posting for records.

BEL THALES joint venture

http://bel-india.com/Documentviews.aspx ... 202016.pdf
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Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
08-January-2018 19:02 IST

Army Technology kumbh mela : 2018


http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=175469

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cannot figure out what kitab/slate/lollypo/bubble gum they are holding/ what it contains / where, say, general public can get to have them...phew,,,,,,,,,,,,heck with pibabus ,,
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https://swarajyamag.com/defence/come-up ... o-industry

Come Up With Indigenous Solutions For Modernisation Of Defence Forces: Sitharaman To Industry

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Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers (SIDM) shall facilitate the meeting of industries with the services, DRDO and the Defence Public Sector Undertakings. The Principal Adviser of CII has been asked to prepare a report on research and development projects of the academia (Indian Institutes of Technology and academic institutions like Amrita University and others) that could be potentially commercialised by the defence industry

The Defence Minister said that MSMEs can play a big role in providing solutions, and asked SIDM to
look at opportunities for MSME besides simplification of processes for the MSME to be able to contribute
meaningfully.

http://cii.in/ResourceDetails.aspx?enc= ... uEjXKDLR7Z


Lt Gen Subrata Saha, Director General, Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers (SIDM) & Principal Adviser, Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) in his welcome address spoke about the role SIDM will play for bringing technology into discourse, get them absorbed with appropriate enabler of transfer of technology. He also highlighted the need of transition from the prescriptive to a more predictive system.
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jaysimha wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/defence/come-up ... o-industry

Come Up With Indigenous Solutions For Modernisation Of Defence Forces: Sitharaman To Industry

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Easy to say that. What steps MoD has taken to simplify procurement and making it even remotely conducive..?
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jaysimha wrote: Come Up With Indigenous Solutions For Modernisation Of Defence Forces: Sitharaman To Industry
Numerous DM have come and all say the same thing.

And when it comes to order, there is nothing. What is the biggest defense order to a non-DPSU? BF had to take their gun to US for trial. Have we even changed that policy?

It has been six months since it was announced that FICV plans will be made public by July 31. There is nothing so far.

Point is RM & MoD Babus are sh**t scared of been painted as "corporate friendly" and don't want to give large orders to private entities. So it will all talk.
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I think RM means business.

Procurement policy critiques can be in the correct thread. Will transfer you post there.
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Via Visnu Som@twitter for Rafale offsets

Theres a significant transfer of highly sensitive technical know-how. This includes revival of the Kaveri jet engine, transfer of low-observable technology and transfer/sharing of infrared search and tracking systems (IRST). DRDO team was meant to be in France to choose.
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Karan M wrote:Via Visnu Som@twitter for Rafale offsets

Theres a significant transfer of highly sensitive technical know-how. This includes revival of the Kaveri jet engine, transfer of low-observable technology and transfer/sharing of infrared search and tracking systems (IRST). DRDO team was meant to be in France to choose.
Do Rafales have dedicated IRST? AFAIK, it uses MICA IR for that purpose.
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srai wrote:^^^
All DRDO vehicle bridges nowadays are rated MLC-70.
Some anti-Arjun people are still stuck with data from 20-year ago. No excuse.

To prove a point, DRDO demonstrated to all during Defense Expo ;)
posting for records.. some more bridges from DRDO/army

35m Mountain Foot bridge
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/II ... bridge.pdf

13.5m steel foot bridge
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/II ... bridge.pdf

The bridges that are lifelines for many in Jammu and Kashmir... will be glad to know the updated status
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/20 ... ay2016.pdf
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https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/II ... e_2010.pdf

old brochure i got when going through drdo website. Could not get updated one..

MBD-If-RP
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DRDO TOT update
Electronics for Near-field Acoustic Characterization System
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/72 ... ebsite.pdf
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i dont know wheather i have to :) or :cry:

this announcement is visible now..
the army seminar was held on 8th Jan.
why they cannot publish at least 1 month in advance?? :x

https://indianarmy.nic.in/makeinindia/ARTECH-2018.pdf

i think NIC is still under the clutches of some UPAvasi baboons.
I suspect, they must be doing their best to scuttle / delay /misinform / late inform the matter and DDM is doing their best to ignore/hide this from public.

Given the significance of the matter, these events should have been advertised/informed like, say, virat kohli engagement/marriage/honeymoon/itd./ itd./ itd....
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Desi Jugaad

https://www.facebook.com/DesiKheti/vide ... qqh6RMzGlI

Mods please move it to the appropriate thread.
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srai wrote:
Karan M wrote:Via Visnu Som@twitter for Rafale offsets

Theres a significant transfer of highly sensitive technical know-how. This includes revival of the Kaveri jet engine, transfer of low-observable technology and transfer/sharing of infrared search and tracking systems (IRST). DRDO team was meant to be in France to choose.
Do Rafales have dedicated IRST? AFAIK, it uses MICA IR for that purpose.
http://rafalemalaysia.com/wp-content/up ... page_1.jpg
It has a dedicated IRST with CCD as well. However, due to concerns over FPA obsolescence and cost of replacing it, FAF promptly started depending on the Mica-IR as a stop gap solution. For the IAF tender, the French would have committed to giving us a full fledged IRST solution.

Another confirmation of Tech assistance etc.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 2gIqN.html

AM Dhanoa

On technology transfer, he said, “Technology may not be going to the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) but it is coming to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and then to a lot of Indians”.
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International Conferences on Military Science and Technology (ICMST)

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/egate/FICM ... y_2018.pdf

The International Conferences on Military Science & Technology (ICMST) covers upcoming international conferences, seminars, workshops, events, and exhibitions on the topics like Aeronautics, Armaments, Combat Vehicles, Computer Science, Electronics, Life Sciences, Management, Materials Science, Military Science, Missiles, Naval Science and other topics related to DRDO. The ICMST also provides information on S&T Awards & Fellowship programs. The information provided in ICMST has been collected and compiled from open sources subscribed by DESIDOC and from the Internet. Limited events have been covered in the document to remain relevant to our objective. We hope this document will be useful to all b.r.f. members.

Some notable events in India...

(4)Combat Vehicles India- Conference & Exhibition
Date: 20-21 Aug 2018
Place: New Delhi

(5) 20th Asian Security Conference (ASC) - India and China in Asia: Making of a New Equilibrium
Date: 6-8 March, 2018
Place: New Delhi

(6) India Defence & Aerospace Symposium (IDAS)
Date: 14 June 2018 ??? to be checked
Place: Bangalore

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FORTHCOMING DRDO CONFERENCES
(1) 5th National Symposium on Shock Waves (NSSW-2018)
Date: 28 February- 2 March 2018
Place: TBRL, Chandigarh

(2) National Technical Seminar on “Future Technologies for Combat Vehicle Electronics”
Date: 23 February 2018
Place: Avadi, Chennai

(3) International Conference on ACODS –Advances in control and optimization of Dynamical systems
Date: 18-22 February 2018
Place: Hyderabad

(4) International Conference on Sonar Systems & Sensors (ICONS 2018)
Date: Feb 22-24, 2018
Place: Kochi, Kerala, India
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https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfo ... 18_web.pdf


ALUMINIUM ALLOY TECHNOLOGIES FOR ADVANCED DEFENCE SYSTEMS
January-February 2018 DRDO tech focus
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American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Confers Associate Fellowship to
Dr PC Jain Scientist DRDL Hyderabad

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http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... hip/350652
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Profile of Dr. Prakash Chand Jain
Scientist DRDL Hyderabad, India

Scientist


Email: jainpcj@yahoo.com


Qualifications

2009 Ph.D., Indian Institute of Technology, Structures, India

1991 M.E., Indian Institute of Technology, Structural Dynamics, India

1989 B.E., Indore University, Civil Engineering, India

https://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedI ... sonID=8600
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there is no better / bigger proof that Indianarmy/MOD keeps a close eye on BRF.

they have duly published what we were all wanting to have.

COMPENDIUM OF PROBLEM DEFINITION STATEMENTS - VOLUME III (2018)
Published by Army design BUREAU


https://indianarmy.nic.in/makeinindia/C ... 202018.pdf
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jaysimha wrote:American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Confers Associate Fellowship to
Dr PC Jain Scientist DRDL Hyderabad

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http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... hip/350652
Although I am all for academic exchanges, I am not comfortable with scientists working on material science in our premium r&d centers been send across to US so openly.

We have a risk of leakage.

When was the last time a American scientist working in premier r&d entity was granted fellowship in India?
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Anjani Technoplast makes nitrogen equipped containers for storing Akash for 20 years; Army to place orders
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Date: 12 Jan 2018
CURTAIN RAISER CEREMONY FOR DEFCOM 2018

A Curtain Raiser Ceremony for DEFCOM 2018 was held at India Habitat Centre, New Delhi on 10 January 2018 wherein a Brochure on the theme, ‘Information and Communication Technology (ICT) for improved Communication support to Forward Edges of Tactical Battle Area (TBA)’, was released by Lt Gen Ashish Ranjan Prasad, Signal Officer-in-Chief and Senior Colonel Commandant, Corps of Signals.

DEFCOM Seminar provides a platform for informed interaction on Information and Communication Technology (ICT) requirements of Defence Forces amongst the Officers of the Armed Forces as well as luminaries of Indian Industry, Academia and R&D organisations. Addressing on the occasion, Lt Gen Ashish Ranjan Prasad highlighted the need for effective indigenous communication technology solutions which provide trusted security and enhance self-reliance in defence procurements.

Lt Gen Subrata Saha (Retd), Principle Advisor CII and Director General Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers (SIDM) also addressed the gathering on the occasion.

DEFCOM 2018, an annual seminar organised jointly by Corps of Signals of Indian Army and Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) is scheduled to be held on 15 and 16 March 2018 at India Habitat Centre, New Delhi.
Please block your calendar and request to attend.
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Huge kumbh mela in chennai.

A Vendor Development Meet is going on in Chennai ( 18th and 19th Jan, 2018) .

MRM inaugurated the Meet. This Meet is jointly organized by DPSUs and OFB under aegis of Dept. of Defence Production, Ministry of Defence. DRDO Labs are also taking part in the Meet. Almost all from major PSUs, OFBs , Army, Navy & AF are camping to tap the potential of the MSMEs.

http://www.financialexpress.com/economy ... g/1021035/

Defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman taps start-ups, small industries for equipment making.


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Burners (under the seats) have been turned on & ache din from tomorrow.........

Sitharaman also formally launched a Defense Investor Cell being set up by department of defense which will facilitate the investment in the defense production sector. The Defense Investor Cell will directly interact with all the interested investors with regard to potential investment, as well as queries related to policy and the projects handled by the defense ministry.
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Print ReleasePrint , Press Information Bureau Government of India Ministry of Defence
18-January-2018 18:36 IST
Defence Industry Development Meet

Forging new partnership with industry for defence production

The two day ‘Defence Industry Development Meet’ organised by Department of Defence Production, Ministry of Defence (MoD) was inaugurated by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman in the august presence of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Shri Edappadi K. Palaniswami at KalaivanarArangam in Chennai today.

The objective of the Meet is to forge new partnerships with private industry with the aim to achieve self-reliance in defence production under the overarching ‘Make in India’ initiative of the Union Government.

The meet will focus on indigenisation, import substitution and technology infusion. The event is part of the Ministry’s initiative to encourage and facilitate participation of private industries especially MSMEs in Defence Manufacturing.

The event will provide private firms/companies especially vendors from Tamil Nadu region an overview of the existing defence procurement policy, indigenisation and outsourcing procedures of DPSUs/OFB and update them on the recent Government policy initiatives to promote indigenisation and outsourcing and the opportunities thereon.

Speaking on the occasion, SmtSitharaman announced that the next Defence Expo would be organised in Chennai between April 11 and 14, 2018.

Senior Officials from Ministry of Defence, State Government, Services, Chairman OFB, CMDs of DPSUs, senior executives of DPSUs/OFB and private industries attended the inaugural function. Governor of Tamil Nadu Shri BanwarilalPurohitand RakshaRajyaMantri Dr Subhash Bhamre will attend the valedictory function scheduled on January 19, 2018.

Highlights of Event on 18 January, 2018

The Department of Defence Production presented policy initiatives for supporting Indian vendors especially MSME in the field of Defence Production.
Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) showcased the technologies, which are available for the private sector for commercial exploitation. RakshaMantri handed over three representative Transfer of Technology agreements of DRDO to Industry – one each for the Army, Navy and the Air force.
HAL, BEL, BEML, BDL, MIDHANI showcased over 50 products for indigenisation by the industry.
OFB offered more than 20 products to vendors for indigenisation.
MDL, GRSE, GSL showcased vendor development opportunities.
RakshaMantri released the simplified ‘Make-II’ procedure, which stipulates relaxed eligibility criteria, minimal documentation, provisions for suo-motu proposals from individuals/industry, particularly for innovative solutions and relaxed eligibility criteria for start-ups. This procedure envisages for assurance of order on successful development of prototype.
RakshaMantri launched Defence Investor Cell being set up by Department of Defence Production, which will facilitate the investment in defence production sector. The Defence Investor Cell will directly interact with all interested investors with regard to potential investment and the queries related to policy and the projects handled by the MoD.
More than 1,000 vendors are participating in the two day event.
The Indian Army, Navy and the Air Force are projecting their requirements, especially related to MSMEs, for indigenisation.
Ministry of MSME presented the policy initiatives to support MSME.
Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion brought out the initiatives taken by the Government for ‘ease of doing business’ processes and issues related to licensing of defence products.
Ministry of Home Affairs presented their requirement for police and paramilitary forces.
The Meet will not only strengthen the existing partnership but also provide scope for new collaborations during the two-day event.
DPSUs/OFB are providing facility for on-the-spot vendor registration for prospective vendors for supplying defence needs.
This event has brought all defence related vendors and suppliers of Tamil Nadu and other parts under one roof and will facilitate creation of an aerospace &defence ecosystem in the region.
RakshaMantri also highlighted the recent policy initiatives including ‘Make-II’ procedure released by the government on January 16, 2018, Defence Innovation Hub for Coimbatore, CODDISSIA and Defence Investor Cell. She said more initiatives to promote ‘Make in India’ in defence would be taken up.


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