2 conventional ? same or different ?Philip wrote:Titbit from the media.MDL is gearing itself up to have two lines to manufacture subs.What gives? Something is cooking.
makes economic sense to have similar lines
2 conventional ? same or different ?Philip wrote:Titbit from the media.MDL is gearing itself up to have two lines to manufacture subs.What gives? Something is cooking.
OT but then -Will wrote:Its criminal that the second sub line hasn't been finalised till date. On the defence front am really disappointed with this govt. Thought they would move faster on projects and increase the defence budget. At the very least follow on orders for the scorpenes should be placed with tweaks to mitigate the signature due to the leaks. Get the French to pay for that incident.
Is there physical space available? Something has to move out - maybe the ship assembly line?Philip wrote:Titbit from the media.MDL is gearing itself up to have two lines to manufacture subs.What gives? Something is cooking.
Makes sensedinesh_kimar wrote:^ Maybe one line for refit and maintenance of existing 209/ Scorpene so won't be parasitic of the new builds.
Last month, Mazagon Dock offered to construct three additional Scorpenes for the Indian Navy. The existing facilities at the dock will become idle by 2020 after the sixth and last Scorpene is built. There are compelling reasons why the navy would want three more submarines. The six next-generation conventional submarines of Project 75I, worth $10 billion, for which France's Naval Group that makes the Scorpenes is a contender, are at least a decade away. (It takes six years to build a submarine.) Mazagon Dock can deliver three more units at the rate of one a year after 2025. The French designer has agreed to make the 14 design changes in the three additional Scorpenes. "In the maritime domain, France has a number of things that we could use-design of a small nuclear reactor (Rubis class) for submarine and a larger reactor for carrier propulsion," says former navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash.
Again, “lack of orders” (or continuous orders) even when the needs are many! No private player would want to be part of this....
The decision is expected to sound a death knell for players like Larsen & Toubro (L&T) and Reliance whose shipyards at Kattupalli and Pipavav respectively are reeling under heavy losses on account of lack of orders from the Defence Ministry, sources said.
“The private shipyards have become loss-making units with a turnover of ₹1,000 crore or less. There were expectations that the P75(I) will come to the private players under the SP policy but it seems that the plan is now shelved,” said an industry representative, who refused to be identified.
As long as the French did not sign anything to that effect , they are free to do what they want.. having said that i would look into the kockums tech as a second option if the french refuse to part with pump propulsion tech and the reactorPhilip wrote:Handing everything to MDL is a recipe for delays.The Scorpene programe a shining example>Late and well-over budget.By not having a pvt. player as competition,the GOI/MOD is denying the nation a better result through competition. One line can be with the DPSU and the other with a pvt. player,where L&T are better equipped than the R co.Moreover,if we go for the French subs,they are the most expensive subs of all of western manufacturers and how do they account for their statement by the French OEM,NG,to Oz,that they would never sell India anything as good as what OZ was getting in their deal?
After the Scorpene leaks,is it wise to build another 3 Scorpenes whose performance parameters are now totally exposed? The jury s out with this one.
We already have the air wing of navy , the platform it operates from and the frigates which are Russian, i hope we keep them out at least from the 75i order or else 20 years down the line we will still be saying and reading that 70% of our defence equipment is Russian.We are better than our competitors in terms of knowledge, transfer of design technology and state of the art design technology for Indian industry.
You think? Iirc the Navy's specs sheet looked like it wants an SSN clothed in a diesel... You're right this ain't happening anytime soon..nachiket wrote:We need to decide what the new SSK's are to be primarily used for .
Between the Navys sky high demands, the MODs lackadaisical process of acquisitions, and the politician's insatiable appetite for brownie points from populist measures, the security situation can only remain dire for many years to come. A soldier's nightmare.nachiket wrote:IN is asking for something that does not exist. I realize that having a few SSKs which can fire Brahmos will be extremely useful. But we don't have the luxury of time here. The choice may well be between 6 AIP equipped U-214s/Scorpenes/Kilos within the next few years or holding our heads in our hands a decade+ from now with no decision and an even more desperate situation in our sub fleet.
If we had adequate numbers of submarines right now and this was for a future acquisition it would be great. But budget constraints and our messed up procurement means that whatever RFI's we send out are for stuff we needed yesterday. Even more applicable where submarines are concerned.