Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jun 2018 13:27

The January test of Agni-V was termed 'user-associate' test. I hope that this, coming so soon afterwards, is a complete 'user test'.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 03 Jun 2018 15:46

MoD Press Release :: Agni-5 missile Successfully Tested

Agni-5 missile is successfully flight tested today at 0945 hrs from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam Island (Wheeler Island). All the Radars, Electro Optical Tracking Stations and Telemetry Stations tracked the vehicle all through the course of the trajectory. All the mission objectives have been achieved. Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman has congratulated all the DRDO Scientists, Staff, Armed Forces and Industries for the success of A-5 Mission.

SRR/NAo/Nampi

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 03 Jun 2018 16:09

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 16:13

dinesha wrote:MoD Press Release

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/pmreleases.aspx?mincode=33

Agni-5 missile Successfully Tested

Agni-5 missile is successfully flight tested today at 0945 hrs from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam Island (Wheeler Island). All the Radars, Electro Optical Tracking Stations and Telemetry Stations tracked the vehicle all through the course of the trajectory. All the mission objectives have been achieved. Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman has congratulated all the DRDO Scientists, Staff, Armed Forces and Industries for the success of A-5 Mission.

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I am surprised. I was expecting an Agni III test flight given Kurups computation, based on NOTAM information, of a test flight distance a tad over 3,000 km:

kurup wrote:3000km range missile test from ITR on 3rd or 4th June ,

https://twitter.com/kurup89/status/1002538995656429568

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 03 Jun 2018 16:19

arun wrote:
dinesha wrote:MoD Press Release

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/pmreleases.aspx?mincode=33

Agni-5 missile Successfully Tested

Agni-5 missile is successfully flight tested today at 0945 hrs from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam Island (Wheeler Island). All the Radars, Electro Optical Tracking Stations and Telemetry Stations tracked the vehicle all through the course of the trajectory. All the mission objectives have been achieved. Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman has congratulated all the DRDO Scientists, Staff, Armed Forces and Industries for the success of A-5 Mission.

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I am surprised. I was expecting an Agni III test flight given Kurups computation, based on NOTAM information, of a test flight distance a tad over 3,000 km:

kurup wrote:3000km range missile test from ITR on 3rd or 4th June ,

https://twitter.com/kurup89/status/1002538995656429568

There was a separate NOTAM for this

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 16:46

^^^ I have seen no NAVAREA warning for a distance >3.000km barring the one posted by Kurup to which I have refered to.

If there is another NAVAREA warning aka NOTAM, please do post it here along with the computed distance in km.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Jun 2018 19:06

This test was from the rail launcher.Was the last test from a road mobile launcher or what?

Prithwiraj · Post by **Prithwiraj** » 03 Jun 2018 19:14

Does the livery of the missile signifies anything? Earlier ones used to be white ones while this one seem to be in camouflage

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 03 Jun 2018 19:16

prasannasimha wrote:

This was posted by me before .
Kurup had posted this pciture of the NOTAM

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 03 Jun 2018 19:18

Philip wrote:This test was from the rail launcher.Was the last test from a road mobile launcher or what?

There is a rail track but this is NOT from a rail launcher see the TCT-5 launcher which has tires !! The TEL wheels are running inbetween the tracked line
If you see carefully four pylon legs have come down to lift the TEL to stabilize it for launchnd you can see the penultimate wheel actually off the ground !!

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 19:20

Philip wrote:This test was from the rail launcher.Was the last test from a road mobile launcher or what?

Launch was from a mobile road launcher.

It just appears to be a rail launcher as the deatched road mobile trailer is parked in an area that has embedded rails.

Focus on the wheels, you will find they are rubber tyres and not steel wheels.

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 19:32

prasannasimha wrote:
prasannasimha wrote:

This was posted by me before .
Kurup had posted this pciture of the NOTAM

OK. So the NAVAREA indicated distance is a tad over 3,000km as I had intially assumed as the diagram and NAVAREA NOTAM, though posted by different persons namely Kurup and you, are still related to the same test event. That then makes it at the far end of the range capability for the Agni III and about a generous bit over middling for the Agni V.

Strange then an Agni V has been tested for what fot it is a piffling 3,000Km range

Have I densely missed something

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 03 Jun 2018 19:35

Livefist Verified account @livefist
Just in: India’s 8,000-km range Agni-V nuclear ballistic missile test-fired from Odisha coast at 9.50am.

"official" range ?

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 03 Jun 2018 19:42

India successfully test fires 5000 km range nuke capable Agni-V off Odisha coast
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 23182.html

By Hemant Kumar RoutExpress News Service

BHUBANESWAR: India on Sunday successfully conducted a user associate trial of inter-continental range ballistic missile Agni-V from a defence base off Odisha coast inching closer towards its early
induction in the armed forces.

Indigenously developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the weapon system capable of delivering the nuclear warhead with high precision blasted off from a hermetically sealed canister at Abdul Kalam Island of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at about 9.50 am.

Defence sources said the missile was fired in full operational configuration and it covered over 4,800 km in 19 minutes. "The successful trial is a major boost to the defence capabilities of the country. The Made-in-India weapon system proved its robustness paving the way for an early induction," said an official.

As the missile is expected to be inducted in the armed forces soon, personnel of the Strategic Forces Command (SFC), specially raised to handle Agni-V, were present during the operations to get acquainted with the system and trained.

The mission team celebrated the moment as the missile pierced into the sky, spewing thick yellow and white smoke. This was the sixth test of the missile and the second this year. All the six missions have been successful.

The flight performance of the indigenously built missile has been tracked and monitored by radars, range stations and electro-optical tracking systems all through its trajectory. All objectives of the mission have been successfully met.

The missile, powered by three-stage solid rocket motors demonstrated a flawless spectacular launch in auto mode and followed its entire trajectory in the textbook manner, dropping the three motors at predefined stages into the Bay of Bengal.

"The test reaffirms the country’s indigenous missile capabilities and further strengthens our credible deterrence. It has now matured. The missile reached its destination and hit the bull's eye," the official added.

Agni-V is the country’s first intercontinental range ballistic missile which is capable of hitting targets in all Asian countries and parts of Africa and Europe. The 17-meter long, 2-meter wide, three-stage, solid-fuelled missile can carry a payload of 1.5 tonnes and weighs around 50 tonnes.

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman has congratulated all DRDO scientists, staff, armed forces and industries for the success of Agni-V mission.

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 19:50

Tested at 4,800 km per Hemant Kumar Rout.

However converting ground track based on information in the NAVAREA NOTAM gives a tad over 3,000km

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Jun 2018 20:20

Defence sources said the missile was fired in full operational configuration and it covered over 4,800 km in 19 minutes.

Looks like it travelled at 4,2 km/sec on average to cover that range , typical IRBM speed

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jun 2018 20:26

Hemanth Kumar Rout can only be believed if one assumes that India flew the Agni V for 1,800 km without giving any safety warning to Aircraft or Ships …………….

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 03 Jun 2018 21:45

This flex nozzles in all stages bit seems to suggest (just extrapolating) a K4 type 3d maneuvering trajectory to defeat Chinese ABMs. The SFDR development talks about a nozzle less booster on a SAM/AAM which demands it to be even more maneuverable.

The paint scheme I believe was last seen on Prithvis operated by SFC, maybe the canister also gets some similar paint scheme.

They probably surprised themselves by reducing the testing turnaround time to 6 months, the last test was in January 2018. Doklam effect?

And another observation, the MH370 search ended probably just a day before near the target zone. Now China seems to support the search if any new "leads" come up.

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 03 Jun 2018 22:28

Singha wrote:does akash. sa6, brahmos all have solid fuel booster inside the ramjet combustion chamber, which burns up to impart the necessary trigger velocity and then ramjet starts in the emptied chamber ?

Yes.
Eons ago I has almost finish an article on Brohmos to put up on earstwhile BR Missile section, showing and explaining its rocket stages.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Jun 2018 22:33

maybe 4800km is distance through air while 3000km is the ground track. Could be a high angle shot to test flying time but not max ground range

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Jun 2018 22:36

Looking at map only a 8000km kind of shot would safely clear the australia to south africa air and sea lanes. Ior is a gigantic place

3000km is parallel to indonesia

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 03 Jun 2018 23:05

vasu raya wrote:This flex nozzles in all stages bit seems to suggest (just extrapolating) a K4 type 3d maneuvering trajectory to defeat Chinese ABMs.

Flex nozzle based booting phase manuvering could somewhat help mask spacebased sensors by reducing their accuracy of estimated azimuth and elevation. That is first key to cue abm radars to narrow down the search volume. But that is not much of an handicap to abm systems during warlike condition.
What all stage flex nozzles do offer is greatly reduce weight of velocity correction package on the RV / mirv bus. IOW better nail to tail ratio of warhead.

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 03 Jun 2018 23:10

^^^ add to above, all flex stages also enable testing all flight stages on shorter test range without using classic depressed trajectory . But that is side benifit.

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 03 Jun 2018 23:22

Congrats to all those involved with Agni-V induction into SFC, we have entered into a new era with a clear statement to join big boys.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 04 Jun 2018 00:40

Would the operationalization of A5 be very different from 3 or 4??

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 04 Jun 2018 01:28

This is the second A5 test within 165 days of he last one. Seems government wants a missile group commissioned to induct this missile in operational role ASAP.The norm till now was 3-4 successful development and user trials before the A series missiles were inducted. After 6 successful tests of A-5 i hope the trial launches are now over. All efforts should now be towards the next logical step for India (A-6) with MIRV

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Jun 2018 03:28

Agni IP, Shourya - Pakistan

Agni V, VI - China

Prithvi, Agni II/III/IV out?

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 04 Jun 2018 03:59

Did India ever issued warning for more than 3000KM?

Is there any traffic that for south ?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Jun 2018 04:02

Many tx. for the clarification.But any possibility of a rail Launch?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Jun 2018 08:15

Aus to sa ie cape of good hope route is south of equator but beyond that roaring forties and furious fifties. Only landmass is french squatting on kerguelen island. Sea is miles deep

Only round the world racing yachts and perhaps deep sea fishing ships venture into this region and supply ships to antarctica

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 04 Jun 2018 10:59

Katare wrote:Did India ever issued warning for more than 3000KM?

Is there any traffic that for south ?

There have been 4k + warnings for 'agony' tests

Plotting it on maps gave some interesting 'boxes'

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 04 Jun 2018 11:15

I think this was the NAVAREA warning. Posting for records.
http://www.hydrobharat.gov.in/downloads ... _force.pdf
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DTG 011001Z/JUN 18
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR TO NAVAREA VIII – 432
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NE INDIAN OCEAN AND BAY OF BENGAL (.) CHARTS 31 33 351 INT 71 (.) EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR ON 03, 04 JUN 18 FROM 0300-0700 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY
20-48.36N 087-02.58E,
19-03.39N 086-26.3E,
08-10.5S 087-05.29E,
07-46.62S 091-55.3E,
19-11.29N 088-02.33E,
20-48.76N 087-07.4E

2. CANCEL NAVAREA 429/18 AND THIS MSG 040800 UTC JUN 18

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 04 Jun 2018 12:00

RoyG wrote:Agni IP, Shourya - Pakistan

Agni V, VI - China

Prithvi, Agni II/III/IV out?

Agni-4 will stay as guerentee delivery vehicle for most unconvinced Chinese war mongers, with its unitary heavy FBF.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Jun 2018 14:33

prasannasimha wrote:

Are we sure this is SFC A5?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jun 2018 15:15

SaiK wrote:Are we sure this is SFC A5?

This is certainly not DRDO A-5 because then it would have had the familiar band pattern running through.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 04 Jun 2018 16:01

i dont remember seeing this olive green type color scheme earlier ..and somehow the missile seems slender than earlier fatter pencil shape.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 04 Jun 2018 16:14

arun wrote:Hemanth Kumar Rout can only be believed if one assumes that India flew the Agni V for 1,800 km without giving any safety warning to Aircraft or Ships …………….

Why do you think to test 5000km you have to travel 5000 km horizontally?

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 04 Jun 2018 16:17

Question for gurus. Do we have any antiship missile which can fight wars in littloral seas? <= 120km range? If so which one it is ? If not do we hqve anything in development?

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 04 Jun 2018 16:22

ashish raval wrote:
arun wrote:Hemanth Kumar Rout can only be believed if one assumes that India flew the Agni V for 1,800 km without giving any safety warning to Aircraft or Ships …………….
Why do you think to test 5000km you have to travel 5000 km horizontally?

i hope you dont mean the length of trajectory

kit · Post by **kit** » 04 Jun 2018 16:31

some reports say MIRVs tested ?