2+2 to establish India as major defence partner of United States
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Discussions are also expected on the Tomahawk cruise missile that can be used from ships and submarines against surface targets.
Discussions are also expected on the Tomahawk cruise missile that can be used from ships and submarines against surface targets.
They want to turn us into England lol.Rakesh wrote:So the upcoming 2+2 meeting is expected to include discussions on the Tomahawk cruise missile....
2+2 to establish India as major defence partner of United States
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 570031.cms
Discussions are also expected on the Tomahawk cruise missile that can be used from ships and submarines against surface targets.
Similar template as LRSAM/MRSAM. VL MICA with some DRDO developed components for the next 10 systems. Outright buy of 4 systems for Project 15B. 10 additional systems for 7 Project 17A and 3 Type 15A Kolkata class retrofit. With a large number of ongoing projects, DRDO didnt have the manpower or bandwidth to work on a new naval SRSAM system. Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri - a DRDO person - OK-ed the procurement.Karan M wrote:All depends on whether Make in India or Made in India for the 10 units. If Indian design and developed then wont be the Mica. If its merely to be assembled here.. err.. made here, then VL Mica it could be for the whole deal.John wrote:It will likely be Vl-MICA.
If we are up for Tomahawk why not kalabir? would also work on our submarines of russian vintage tooPratyush wrote:Regarding tomohawk, thanks but no thanks.
Because you will make Admiral Filipov very excited....He is a high "kalabir" individual when Ru equiment is concerned..ArjunPandit wrote:If we are up for Tomahawk why not kalabir? would also work on our submarines of russian vintage tooPratyush wrote:Regarding tomohawk, thanks but no thanks.
I would say that this junkyard stuff is not junk. This is work horse even for Khan. Do they possess anything better than T'hawk. Obviuosly version etc will be important. Khan will extract their price for all the things they have done like "Wassenar" support etc.RKumar wrote:lol ... USA is thinking to make us junkyard with offering/forcing us to buy obsolete systems. It will be much better if USA offers armed drones plus good army rifles along with automation machinery for the same.
Very basic stuff where we did not put enough efforts. Leaving aside expensive high tech stuff.
India is now a MTCR member. No violation.nam wrote:We had a successful last test. Must be waiting for the local engine before another test happens. Given the tomahawk talk, now it is confirmed we are making progress.
And why are outraging over a rumor. US will not sell tomahawks to anyone other than UK. It will be violation of MTCR and doing it will open up Russia selling their CM to every tom, dick & Iranians.
More over tomahawk need the famous "scene co-relation" thingi... obviously it will not co-relate google maps. Do people think Khan will give us the data during any punch up with our western neighbor?
This would assume that either the VL-Mica is superior in performance to the Barak-1 or cheaper then Barak-1. The Mica missile on its own is not cheap, so the second part would be doubtful.tsarkar wrote:Similar template as LRSAM/MRSAM. VL MICA with some DRDO developed components for the next 10 systems. Outright buy of 4 systems for Project 15B. 10 additional systems for 7 Project 17A and 3 Type 15A Kolkata class retrofit. With a large number of ongoing projects, DRDO didnt have the manpower or bandwidth to work on a new naval SRSAM system. Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri - a DRDO person - OK-ed the procurement.Karan M wrote:All depends on whether Make in India or Made in India for the 10 units. If Indian design and developed then wont be the Mica. If its merely to be assembled here.. err.. made here, then VL Mica it could be for the whole deal.
MTCR is not a technology sharing treaty, it is a denial regime.pravula wrote: India is now a MTCR member. No violation.
That information is highly incorrect, Yakhont is export version of Oniks and the range was always capped at 300 km to meet MTCR ( same with Klub and improved Moskit missile). In late 90s it was stuck in development purgatory due to lack of funding and Russian navy had no interest in Oniks since they were content with Uran and Moskit, however we simply didnt want to purchase a export AshM. We "wanted" to fund a new missile that is tweaked to meet India's requirement and technology from this can be applied to other missile programmes (for example the cold launch tech and canisterization). Hence Brahmos which was based on Oniks not Yakhont was choosen for this joint venture and similar cap of 300 km on the range was put in place. But i believe it was simply a limitation done on the software side (not sure if Yakhont 300 km limit is software or hardware based).nam wrote:MTCR is not a technology sharing treaty, it is a denial regime.
It is a group of countries who voluntarily agree not to sell missile above 300km to anyone.
This is why even Yakhnot is technically not sold to us. It is a joint venture of a missile named "Brahmos" under 300km and India "upgraded" it to 450. Russia did not sell us 450KM Brahmos ( they don't have any missile called Brahmos), there by not breaking the treaty.
I may have got the version incorrect, however the joint development company was one way to get around MTCR, because we wanted the tech as well. The range is software limited, by restricting the height it can fly. The russians did not built a custom short ranged missile for us. They gave us the whole thing along with the tech, there by technically breaking the treaty.John wrote: That information is highly incorrect, Yakhont is export version of Oniks
If the members can share, China would have been the first to join and get atleast european tech.Trikaal wrote:^MTCR is focussed on 'limiting' the proliferation of missile technology. It means that the members can sell missile tech above certain limitations only to other members. Since India is a member now, selling Tomahawk tech to India is not a violation of MTCR.
That is a specific deal and they are NATO countries. Even the Trident sharing was part of some of these treaty.Trikaal wrote:^Tomahawk is a good example of US giving UK a missile that violates MTCR guidelines. MTCR is invoked only for tech denial since it does not facilitate tech sharing. However, if a member wants to sell tech to a non-member, they have to check it with MTCR first. That was how Russia was stopped from selling cryogenic engine tech to India in the 90's.
European missiles sold to South Korea is an oft-cited example. Another example could be US JASSM sale to Australia.nam wrote:Do we have an example of a tech transfer between countries within MTCR (non-NATO) which violates such restriction? I would be happy to be corrected.
Godrej Aerospace on Friday handed over the first of the 100 orders for the airframes for the air-launched version of the BrahMos missile systems to Defence Research Development Laboratories.
Sudhir Mishra, Distinguished Scientist and Director General (BrahMos), DRDO, and MD & CEO, BrahMos Aerospace, feels the achievement is bigger than being able to make even the most advanced weapon systems in the world.
Godrej has already started working on missile boosters for the BrahMoS, and BrahMoS Aerospace has already given it a development order to make the boosters in India. Indian boosters will also start coming within a year, Godrej said. The booster is another major subsystem similar to fuel management.
“The manufacturing of this fuel management system is much more complicated than the development and manufacturing of any weapon or aero-system in the world,” Mishra told BusinessLine in an interview.
The airframe also acts as a fuel management system, responsible for managing the liquid propellent and controlled flow combustion of fuel to fire the missile towards its target.
“Today, if there is one company that can manufacture an aerospace engine, it is just Godrej because they have the experience of making this fuel management system,” Mishra added.
In December 2017, Godrej Aerospace had won an order for 100 sets of airframe assemblies for the air-launched version. Godrej has already supplied 100 sets of the land version of the missile to BrahMos Aerospace.
Working with DRDO on the BrahMos missile has helped Godrej Aerospace turn profitable after nearly 20 years of operations. Godrej is also helping BrahMos Aerospace achieve indigenisation levels of 85 per cent.
“This fuel management system comprises more than 2,500 different materials. All these materials are indigenously developed and sourced. The company (Godrej) created a manufacturing ecosystem which can develop defence equipment,” Mishra said.
The division is profitable because it does a variety of things including exports, said Jamshyd Godrej, Chairman and MD of Godrej & Boyce, the parent of Godrej Aerospace. “It has been 20 years of investment. It was certainly not profitable from day one, but currently it is. The aerospace division works on both the defence side and the space side. And all this together has helped us turn profitable.”
Sure fair enough, Brahmos achieves additional range over 300 km by not flying higher. Ramjet efficiency drops significantly over 15km but by altering/reducing it's terminal phase ( this however does make the missile easier to detect and shoot down).nam wrote:I may have got the version incorrect, however the joint development company was one way to get around MTCR, because we wanted the tech as well. The range is software limited, by restricting the height it can fly. The russians did not built a custom short ranged missile for us. They gave us the whole thing along with the tech, there by technically breaking the treaty.John wrote: That information is highly incorrect, Yakhont is export version of Oniks
Now when we made it 450km, Russian can say Indians learnt to built their Brahmos software, we haven't given them anything special. We just gave them 290km tech!
The same development facade is used by the Chinese "selling" Babur to the Paks.
9,200 / 7 ~= 1,300 cr per ship.The company has entered into contracts worth about Rs 9,200 crore with Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) to supply LRSAM systems,” BEL said in a September 5 statement. “This is the highest-ever single value order bagged by BEL.” The LRSAM systems will be installed aboard seven surface warfare ships of the Indian Navy.