Military Flight Safety

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 20 Sep 2018 21:14

Didn't see any news about this, was it a flying accident?

https://m.tribuneindia.com/article/kin- ... 655027/amp

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 20 Sep 2018 23:02

The name sounded familiar

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/ ... 077960.ece

Rest in peace, brother.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Sep 2018 02:43

Oh No! Not him. My condolences to his family.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 21 Sep 2018 08:06

Indranil wrote:The name sounded familiar

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/ ... 077960.ece

Rest in peace, brother.

Om Shanti

May his family have the strength to bear his loss

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 01 Oct 2018 13:13

ANI Reports that a Chetak (CH442) has crash-landed at Rajali base, Arakkonam, Tamil Nadu. Crew safe. Damage to main and tail rotors.
Link to the report

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 01 Oct 2018 14:20

Relief to hear that the crew is fine!

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 01 Oct 2018 16:24

Damn this thread. Never does my BP any good.

Relieved that the crew are fine.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 05 Oct 2018 10:58

On Twitter.

Microlight from Hindon crashes near Baghpat. Both Pilots are SAFE

Added: Looks like in-flight engine failure. The parachute recovery system got deployed.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 05 Oct 2018 13:01

Glad the pilots are safe.

Prithwiraj · Post by **Prithwiraj** » 05 Oct 2018 17:29

Pipistrel light aircraft --- one fatal incident was in Assam's Majoli river island. both senior pilots perished-

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 06 Oct 2018 10:05

Manish_P wrote:On Twitter.

Microlight from Hindon crashes near Baghpat. Both Pilots are SAFE

Added: Looks like in-flight engine failure. The parachute recovery system got deployed.

What are these little wasps used for? AOP duties? Any gyan will be welcome.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 06 Oct 2018 11:08

pushkar.bhat wrote:
Manish_P wrote:On Twitter.

Microlight from Hindon crashes near Baghpat. Both Pilots are SAFE

Added: Looks like in-flight engine failure. The parachute recovery system got deployed.

What are these little wasps used for? AOP duties? Any gyan will be welcome.

What is the rank of the pilot or is that the pilot in the back ground..

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 06 Oct 2018 11:21

^ Used by IAF, IN, and NCC for training, surveillance. Mostly training.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 06 Oct 2018 14:17

pushkar.bhat wrote:What are these little wasps used for? AOP duties? Any gyan will be welcome.

To maintain pilot proficiency

Typically if pilots flew the full complement of hours required to maintain proficiency, we would quickly exhaust airframe and engine TTL of Sukhois and Jaguars. Hence pilots occasionally fly micro lights.

The Indian Navy operates a large number of offshore patrol vessels for the same reason.

China does it better by manufacturing lots of less capable but useful J-10s and Su-27 copies.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 Oct 2018 01:05

tsarkar wrote:
China does it better by manufacturing lots of less capable but useful J-10s and Su-27 copies.

Their larger economy also permits them to use those much costlier (compared to microlights) jets.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Oct 2018 23:54

ks_sachin wrote:What is the rank of the pilot or is that the pilot in the back ground..

I believe Flight Lieutenant...picture is not very clear....

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Oct 2018 23:55

tsarkar wrote:Typically if pilots flew the full complement of hours required to maintain proficiency, we would quickly exhaust airframe and engine TTL of Sukhois and Jaguars. Hence pilots occasionally fly micro lights.

Is it true that Sukhoi, Mirage and Jaguar pilots would also fly MiG-21s as well to achieve the same result you described above?

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 10 Oct 2018 09:51

Rakesh wrote:
tsarkar wrote:Typically if pilots flew the full complement of hours required to maintain proficiency, we would quickly exhaust airframe and engine TTL of Sukhois and Jaguars. Hence pilots occasionally fly micro lights.
Is it true that Sukhoi, Mirage and Jaguar pilots would also fly MiG-21s as well to achieve the same result you described above?

Sukhoi squadrons initially also flew MiG-21 for the same reason. Mirage 2000 and Jaguar have good serviceability rates, so they didn't. Now with depleting airframes across all classes of aircraft, microlights are flown. Also helps the pilots earn flying bonus that is an important part of a pilot's salary

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galle ... 0.jpg.html

Check out the above photo. No 20 Sq inducted Su-30MKI in 2002 but also flew MiG-21 Bison 2004-5 for this very reason.

Even US is facing the same problem with F-22 pilots also flying F-16. With F-16 retiring, they want to use the Light Attack for "seasoning" pilots
https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/L ... 437-1.html
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-b ... tion-20675

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 28 Nov 2018 22:17

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/i ... 53295.html

IAF's Trainee Aircraft Crashes in Telangana After Take-off, Pilot Shifted to Hospital
This is the second such accident within a week.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 02 Dec 2018 20:03

Haridas wrote:https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/i ... 53295.html

IAF's Trainee Aircraft Crashes in Telangana After Take-off, Pilot Shifted to Hospital
This is the second such accident within a week.

Sir first was a civil trainer aircraft.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Dec 2018 03:30

https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/sta ... 2332277761 ---> Since 1947, over 1000 IAF aircraft have been lost in “accidents & losses”. More than 80% of these losses are “non-battle” losses. I don’t know how many pilots have lost lives. MiG aircraft are called “flying coffins”. No one cares. Soldiers don’t matter. They are expendable.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 18 Dec 2018 06:11

Would somebody tweet him and ask, what is the accident rate of Migs? How does it compare to other aircraft?

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 18 Dec 2018 08:25

If we got rid of this thread qe would not hear depressing news.
It is nice to be an ostrich some of the time.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 28 Jan 2019 13:58

JUST IN: IAF Jaguar from Gorakhpur’s 27 Squadron (‘Flaming Arrows’) crashes, pilot safe.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 28 Jan 2019 15:36

"Pilot Safe"

Whew

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 28 Jan 2019 16:06

Indranil wrote:Would somebody tweet him and ask, what is the accident rate of Migs? How does it compare to other aircraft?

The screen shot is from Bharat Rakshak only. Database updated till 2015.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Datab ... isting.php

Here is list by Aircrafts
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Datab ... tcount.php

210 accidents of MiG21 listed. All Mig Accidents: 210 + 37 + 4 + 42 + 15 = 308

From another news Item from 2012.

The Rajya Sabha was informed that over the past 40 years, India had lost more than half of its MiG combat fleet of 872 aircraft. The minister disclosed that "482 MiG aircraft accidents took place till April 19, 2012".

The BR database lists 9 M2K losses..!! I was under impression we have lost only 3-4 till date. And 46 Jaguar losses.

But frankly, such loss numbers are there is history of every AF. I am reading a book on John Boyd. The trainee pilot losses on single Fighter Base, Nellis AFB used to be as high as 70 in single year during Korea War. On an avg one crash per week was the norm the book says. I am sure that had nothing to do with bad quality airplanes or ignorance for pilot lives. This matter needs more nuanced analysis than outrage or hyperventilation if the problem is to be solved.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 28 Jan 2019 16:53

JayS wrote:But frankly, such loss numbers are there is history of every AF. I am reading a book on John Boyd. The trainee pilot losses on single Fighter Base, Nellis AFB used to be as high as 70 in single year during Korea War. On an avg one crash per week was the norm the book says. I am sure that had nothing to do with bad quality airplanes or ignorance for pilot lives. This matter needs more nuanced analysis than outrage or hyperventilation if the problem is to be solved.

Sir ji your last line is the key to understanding this very important topic in military aviation. I am currently reading through the f104s tenure with the Luftwaffe and its beyond belief to say the least!

We also would need to properly understand the tempo of training opa conducted with hours of flying etc as well as nature of ops. Not to mention that data needs to be overplayed with numerous other considerations such as type of aircraft, locations and many other factors....just my 2 naiya paisa worth.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 Jan 2019 20:56

"The Rajya Sabha was informed that over the past 40 years, India had lost more than half of its MiG combat fleet of 872 aircraft. The minister disclosed that "482 MiG aircraft accidents took place till April 19, 2012".

What exactly does this statistic help prove? It only exposes the ignorance of whoever asked the question in RS. IAF operated five different types of "MiGs" over several decades. Some like the Mig-21 had several different subtypes with different engines and avionics. This is like somebody in US government asking what is the crash rate of the USAF Lockheed Martin fleet or MD fleet over the last several decades.

Might as well ask combined crash rate of "Dassault" fleet over last 50 years and add up crashes of Ouragans, Mysteres and M2k's together. I'm sure the M2k will become the flying coffin next.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 28 Jan 2019 21:27

I think there's more to this crash thing, here's my CT
1. self flagellation
2. opportunities for more western imported stuff (read money for corrupt stakeholders)
3. lifafas in different forms to be received by journos. That's why these things get highlighted.
Of course no one talks about the details, but it is more surprising that very few talked about even a comparison with any other AF, be it US.

On a related not a story to tell. I had a colleague whose brother ejected out of a crashing Mig 23 in my pre BRF days. Once i ranted like most guys about IAF and she bluntly asked me to 1. shut up at that time, 2. research 3. and then speak about it. Such is the pride among these folks. My humiliation from that simple and usually calm lady led me to BRF. Before that I only used to read the news headings and the BRF monitor that would figure in the google search. Her brother now flies transport aircraft, much against his dream of flying fighter jet.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 31 Jan 2019 04:26

Bala Vignesh wrote:JUST IN: IAF Jaguar from Gorakhpur’s 27 Squadron (‘Flaming Arrows’) crashes, pilot safe.

As per this tweet, this is the pilot from the Jaguar crash...

https://twitter.com/ojhaRN/status/1089897791357243397 ---> Super Saver is The Pilot..Salute.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 31 Jan 2019 04:29

I googled the name of the Jaguar pilot. Full name is Wing Commander Rohit Katoch. Below is a link of a video of the pilot, after the crash. His service record on BR's IAF website does not list much ---> http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/27218

https://twitter.com/ajitkdubey/status/1 ... 7462372357 --> Every time a crash happens, villagers rush to help the pilots. Same help was provided to Wing Commander Katoch when his Jaguar crashed in Kushinagar due to technical defect. Jai Hind, Jai Hind Ki Sena and Jai Hind ke Log!

gaurav.p · Post by **gaurav.p** » 01 Feb 2019 11:06

https://twitter.com/imparthppatel/statu ... 04901?s=20

Flight crashed at HAL Airport Yemlur this morning, pilots ejected safely!
@HALHQBLR

The amount of birds is scary enough! Let's hope it is not the radiance.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 01 Feb 2019 11:07

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 3553329152

#JUST In
Fighter crash at HAL airport. Suspected to be Mirage?? Details awaited

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1091205735080476673

Sources say it was a Mirage 2000. Not confirmed yet. Please await details and a confirmation.

ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 01 Feb 2019 11:29

Kakarat wrote:https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 3553329152
#JUST In
Fighter crash at HAL airport. Suspected to be Mirage?? Details awaited
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1091205735080476673
Sources say it was a Mirage 2000. Not confirmed yet. Please await details and a confirmation.

Mirage 2000 trainer fighter aircraft of HAL crashes at HAL Airport in Bengaluru, one pilot dead. https://t.co/jteJ0ZS45K

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Feb 2019 11:36

This is really bad. May the surviving pilot recover well, and the martyr get moksha.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Feb 2019 11:36

It was a Mirage 2000 trainer.

https://twitter.com/followmkp/status/10 ... 3836987392 ---> Mirage 2000 while take off, developed a technical snag and couldn't take off and hit the wall near LCA gate at Yemalur. Pilots injured and taken to hospital for further treatment. Sqn Ldr Negi and Sqn Ldr Abrol evacuated to hospital with injuries.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Feb 2019 11:38

Apparently one of the pilots landed on the wreckage after ejection.

Also, general note for posters, please don't mimic the toxic world of Facebook and Twitter and start blaming HAL for the crash. We don't know what happened. Videos of the crash site show a lot of kites circling around though.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 01 Feb 2019 11:44

Damn. Sad to hear about the tragic loss. May his family find the strength to go through the pain

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Feb 2019 11:49

https://twitter.com/sudhiranjansen/stat ... 3610747905 ---> Two IAF fighter pilots dead in a Mirage 2000 trainer crash in Bengaluru. The aircraft was upgraded by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and was going acceptance trial/test.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Feb 2019 11:50

https://twitter.com/followmkp/status/10 ... 8564998144 ---> 2 pilots died in Mirage 2000 crash. One fatal - Sqn Ldr Negi died on the spot and Sqn Ldr Abrol evacuated to hospital with injuries, but died.