You mean a S band Phased array?vinod wrote:Can we not create a dummy S-400 which sort of looks and quacks like it but just sends out signals mocking S-400?
There are two things in S400. Radar and SAM.
Which one do you want to replicate?
You mean a S band Phased array?vinod wrote:Can we not create a dummy S-400 which sort of looks and quacks like it but just sends out signals mocking S-400?
Easy solution is to buy the dummies from PRC HQ-whatevervinod wrote:Can we not create a dummy S-400 which sort of looks and quacks like it but just sends out signals mocking S-400?
mody wrote:News report claiming leak of Brahmos capability by DRDO employee to paki agents. Don't know how serious it is.
Sad i missed this for timely reply...anyway, i broached on this many times here and there are links in public domain. But a straight quote i can link here is from 2011 interview by ex SFC commander.pankajs wrote:I would be very interested to read more on SFC's view on the matter. They are after all the folks controlling the arsenal. Would welcome any link.Kanson wrote:
I see in this line of discussion many tall figures of this forum too have subscribed to this view.
So in this i'm deeply befuddled if not squarely to see officials who are/ were holding responsible position make statements that all Agni missiles can carry conventional warhead, even the latest Agni missile. And stumbled to see SFC that is supposed wage N war w Agni missiles echoes the same.
So, what you guys are missing?
And there are other discussions..where the use of conventional options were deliberated. Not without reason every Agni missile including latest Agni 5 is reported to carry both conventional & N payloads.http://www.asianage.com/interview-week/ ... t-back-484
Air Marshal T. M. Asthana (retd), a fighter pilot, was the first Commander-in-Chief of India’s Strategic Forces Command which operationalises the country’s nuclear arsenal. He tells Anand K. Sahay that if India faces a nuclear hit from terrorists in Pakistan — which he considers unlikely — it can retaliate with nuclear or conventional forces, and possesses the capability for a surgical strike.
Ramana hi...very much..just tells how much guidance & missile tech improved.ramana wrote:kanson, The Astra has a directional warhead and these very pages have cross section pictures of that.
DW can be programmed in whichever way we want. Single layer or multiple layers, all in single burst or each layer w delayed timmimg or any other way that suits our purpose or as needed.Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:
No, I’m sorry, you’ve misunderstood me, then.
I am familiar with directional warheads, and understand these are designed for missile interceptions at oblique angles; where the entire “directional warhead” explodes at the same time, sending a cloud of projectiles towards the target (one shot, one kill). This is not what I had in mind.
One thing that tipped the scale is the deployment of j20 near our border, as i see.sudeepj wrote:Is the S400 going to be customized with Indian radars? Is there any contribution by DRDO into the deployed systems such as seeker heads etc.? Will the IFF be customized to India?
I am at a loss to understand how we can have an adversarial relationship with China, yet share the same air defense system. Its a bit like buying the F16A back in the 80s or 90s.
https://in.linkedin.com/in/nishant-aggarwal-10760048Head of Hydraulics-Pneumatics and Warhead Integration (Production Department).
Managing a team of 40 Personnel including Systems Engineers, Technical Supervisors and Technicians.
Member of CSR and Technology R&D Group of BrahMos.
Supervising the new projects at BrahMos Nagpur and Pilani Sites.
Systems Engineer
BrahMos Aerospace
July 2013 – December 2016 3 years 6 months
Nagpur Area, India
Department of Hydraulics-Pneumatics and Warhead Integration
This is bad. Guess it is time to do through checks and constant vigilance now on everyone involved in critical technologies even PM cannot be barred. No one is above nationhood.Supratik wrote:X-post
Re:espionage
This is bad as propellants are one of the critical technologies in supersonic missiles.
Hopefully i live to see this day.mody wrote:We are going to get 5 squadrons, comprising of 10 firing units.
This is crucial. We will potentially have 10 deployed units and not just 5. We can even have 4 for the eastern border and 6 units for the western.
China has purchased 6 batteries of the S400 system. Don't know if a battery and firing unit are the same or not.
Maybe someone else can clarify.
However, one thing is for sure, there will be more then 5 sites where the S400 will be deployed.
Our Air defence network will have the following components, within the next 3-4 years:
1). Spyder + QRSAM for mobile air defence and last resort defence against planes and cruise missiles. Range upto 20 Kms
2). Akash MK-1 and MK-1S as short to medium range SAMs, primarily for fixed deployment for defending defence installations, like air bases etc. Range max 35 Kms for MK1S. Effective against planes and cruise missiles.
3). MRSAM/Barak-8 as a medium SAM, for fixed deployment for defending defence installations and high value assets. Hopefully in the future, we will get a Akash-MK2 to supplement the Barak-8. Range upto 70 Kms. Effective against planes and cruise missiles.
4). LRSAM/Barak-8-ER. Essentially Barak-8 with a solid rocket booster to enhance range upto 120 Kms. Will be used primarily for targets in the range of 30-120 Kms. Effective against planes and limited capability against SRBM and MRBMs.
5). S400 - LRSAM and Anti Ballistic missile system for SRBM and MRBM systems. Range max upto 400 Kms.
6). 2-Tier BMD consisting of AAD/PDV missiles for taking care of SRBM, MRBM and IRBM upto 2,000 Km range missiles.
From here:Rosoboronexport: Contract with India for S-400 Missile Systems – Biggest-ever Deal in Company History
On October 5, 2018, in Delhi Rosoboronexport (part of the Rostec State Corporation) signed a contract to supply India with the S-400 Triumph long-range air defense missile systems (ADMS).
"The S-400 supply agreement with India is a new landmark in the history of military-technical cooperation between our countries. The deal demonstrates the highest level of trust and understanding between India and Russia. I am sure that this agreement will also be a new impulse for strengthening and deepening our cooperation in civil industry." said the Head of Rostec State Corporation Sergey Chemezov.
The main advantage of the S-400 lies in its versatility. The system is able to engage both all types of aerodynamic targets and ballistic missiles, up to intermediate-range ballistic missiles. The Triumph is far superior to its foreign counterparts in maximum engagement range and minimum engagement altitude, emplacement/displacement time, as well as in a number of other key characteristics.
“The contract for the supply of S-400 Triumph air defense missile systems to India is the biggest for the entire period of military-technical cooperation between Russia and India and the largest in history of Rosoboronexport. Today we begin to execute it” said the Head of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev.
Regular meetings between the leaders of Russia and India give strong impetus to the development of relations between the countries and play an important role in expanding and strengthening military-technical cooperation, which has been underway since 1960. Since then, exports of Russian military products to India have exceeded $65 billion.
“Rosoboronexport is ready to cooperate with India in any areas. At the moment, a number of other major contracts for the supply of Russian weapons to India are in the final stages of preparation and we hope they will be signed soon,” Alexander Mikheev said.
How will they copy the algorithms/software part?Prithwiraj wrote:no.. These are strategic acquisitions --- Does China have something similar ?? They will copy it anyways
Not offset for this deal. Cabinet decision. Would have cost us 30% more.Katare wrote:Is there offsets in this deal? I have not seen any mention of it anywhere so far!
Let us also not forget the ISRO Nambi Narayanan case before reaching any conclusion. Enemy agencies like CIA can sabotage/manipulate our suspicions/investigations in ways that are unthinkable.Karan M wrote:Innocent till proven guilty
https://in.linkedin.com/in/nishant-aggarwal-10760048Head of Hydraulics-Pneumatics and Warhead Integration (Production Department).
Managing a team of 40 Personnel including Systems Engineers, Technical Supervisors and Technicians.
Member of CSR and Technology R&D Group of BrahMos.
Supervising the new projects at BrahMos Nagpur and Pilani Sites.
Systems Engineer
BrahMos Aerospace
July 2013 – December 2016 3 years 6 months
Nagpur Area, India
Department of Hydraulics-Pneumatics and Warhead Integration
Looks like stuff like what warheads are on our Brahmos, i.e. its exact role, plus funda about production numbers etc. Also, hydraulics pneumatics means he'll know structural details about its performance. Not good.
They are never reverse engineered as claimed by Russia, lot of tech was handed to China under the table for lots of $$ (some reports have it is tens of billions of dollars) not reported to the public. Some of the money went back to Russia defense industry others pocketed by Kremlin politicians or for pet projects (see Sochi).darshhan wrote:How will they copy the algorithms/software part?Prithwiraj wrote:no.. These are strategic acquisitions --- Does China have something similar ?? They will copy it anyways
Ok, I suspected so.nam wrote:Not offset for this deal. Cabinet decision. Would have cost us 30% more.Katare wrote:Is there offsets in this deal? I have not seen any mention of it anywhere so far!
If the Indian intelligence has not gamed this earlier, they have only themselves to blame. It was just a matter of timemody wrote:News report claiming leak of Brahmos capability by DRDO employee to paki agents. Don't know how serious it is.
as with all Indo Russian arms deals, only some details are public, the S400 looks like a juicy red balloon to mask a bunch of contracts and subcontractsKashi wrote:Biggest ever deal? Is it bigger than the Chinese acquisition?
just to make things interesting for any enemy SEADabhik wrote:Yes, a true League of Nations SAM inventory
Yes there is definitely some daal mein vodka going on. Russian nomenclature is designed for obfuscation, who knows what is meant by battery, division, regiment, squadron..... My guess is that more things were acquired and not mentioned as mody has alluded to above. There is no reason why it should cost so much more than chini s400.kit wrote:as with all Indo Russian arms deals, only some details are public, the S400 looks like a juicy red balloon to mask a bunch of contracts and subcontractsKashi wrote:Biggest ever deal? Is it bigger than the Chinese acquisition?