Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 06 Nov 2018 12:04

So it is the Elta 2052, at least till the Uttam is not matured.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Nov 2018 15:32

Kartik wrote:So it is the Elta 2052, at least till the Uttam is ~~not~~ matured.

Just a small negation.

Actual words are

Of course, whenever an indigenous radar is ready, we will be happy to integrate it.

Indic between the lines is

We are hoping to place the order very soon.

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 Nov 2018 17:04

HAL has to move MK1A forward. Even if they manage 16 per year from 2019, they will complete FOC delivery in 1.25 year.. i.e 2020! And other 16 should be on production line when these deliveries happen!

The lines may go idle by end of 2019/ early 2020.. if MK1A is not ready.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 07 Nov 2018 22:27

Stunning shot of a Tejas Mk1 taking off

LCA on a scramble..

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 08 Nov 2018 01:51

Kartik wrote:Is that landing with the arresting hook integrated? Seems like it could be, but the dust completely shrouds it.

the more I stared at that image (at work)
the more detail I could see

Reference to the right hand tyre.
Just above the tyre I spy a piece of equipment that looks like a specialist camera relegated to capturing the aircraft as it gets arrested.

Reference to the right hand tyre.
Just below the tyre I spy the cable for hooking and getting arrested. The aircraft seems to have just gone over it.

Just thought I would add this.
love the N-LCA.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 08 Nov 2018 01:55

Any pic from sulur afb

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 08 Nov 2018 02:10

3 production lines are fine but do they have another place to service the existing in-service Tejas fighters?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Nov 2018 04:02

IAF base repair depots.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 08 Nov 2018 09:34

I don’t think there would be any major work on the Tejas that requires it to go back to the assembly line for repairs currently. It should be mostly 1st line and flight line work currently with the second line work for any major issues in the base engineering hangar.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 08 Nov 2018 11:03

SBajwa wrote:3 production lines are fine but do they have another place to service the existing in-service Tejas fighters?

ramana wrote:IAF base repair depots.

Sulur is home to IAF No 5 BRD that would logically take up MRO of Tejas as it enters service. Presence of BRD one of the factors deciding basing at Sulur. The BRD folks are also building up their knowledge and skills.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 09 Nov 2018 20:03

AFS Sulur offers Flying Daggers envious environment to operate Tejas

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 09 Nov 2018 20:43

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 2585526272

Here goes the 2nd part of a #Tejas series that has gone live on @OnmanoramaLive yesterday | READ: https://bit.ly/2SZVzWA | AFS Sulur offers #FlyingDaggers envious environment to operate #Tejas
Part-1: https://bit.ly/2z15e6X
Tomorrow, Part-3: FOC update

The link has video of Tejas opetating from AFS Sulur

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 09 Nov 2018 21:08

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 09 Nov 2018 21:13

That takeoff roll was only about 1500 feet!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Nov 2018 21:40

Kakarat, you rock dude! The updates you post are awesome! Thanks Saar.

nam · Post by **nam** » 09 Nov 2018 21:45

That is a very very short take off!

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 09 Nov 2018 22:16

Rakesh wrote:Kakarat, you rock dude! The updates you post are awesome! Thanks Saar.

Most of us here in BR are like-minded people, News that make me happy will make many happy in BR so just sharing them as soon as I see them

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 09 Nov 2018 22:42

Awesome to see the bird go near vertical @ 16 sec wow wow !!!!

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 10 Nov 2018 13:19

Tejas ready for auto low-speed recovery trials

Bhaskar_T · Post by **Bhaskar_T** » 10 Nov 2018 13:29

Couldn't paste the entire text as the link is not allowing a good copying from mobile. Suggest someone can reproduce the entire text for future reference.

Below link suggests Tejas ready for ALSR trials. The Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) version of the Tejas (16 fighters) already automatically limits many of the aircraft parameters. The only parameter not limited automatically (by FBW) is low speed of aircraft which pilot needs to monitor manually. For FOC versions, this parameter will be made part of automatic control/monitor.

The other feature to be tested is Disorientation Recovery Function (DRF).

Tejas ready for auto low-speed recovery trials
https://english.manoramaonline.com/news ... rials.html

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 10 Nov 2018 13:31

This article is correct. Except that ALSR has already been cleared. In clean config it takes over at 100 knots. Wet refueling and small CEPs are correctly reported. Test pilots are currently pushing the 8G envelop. Have gone over a few times, safely. That limit might be revised upwards. SDR and Guns are not part of Mk1 FoC.If no new requirements arrive, Mk1 should recieve FOC by year end.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 10 Nov 2018 20:10

An Important news coming Tomorrow

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 9925499904

The #Tejas series on @OnmanoramaLive will get you last part tomorrow with focus on #HAL's production activities. Never in the past has the assembly line seen so many #LCAs raring to go
Part-1 https://bit.ly/2z15e6X
Part-2 https://bit.ly/2SZVzWA
Part-3 https://bit.ly/2QxYsMG

chola · Post by **chola** » 10 Nov 2018 20:26

Kakarat wrote:An Important news coming Tomorrow

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 9925499904

The #Tejas series on @OnmanoramaLive will get you last part tomorrow with focus on #HAL's production activities. Never in the past has the assembly line seen so many #LCAs raring to go
Part-1 https://bit.ly/2z15e6X
Part-2 https://bit.ly/2SZVzWA
Part-3 https://bit.ly/2QxYsMG

New orders? Third line confirmation? Exciting times!

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 11 Nov 2018 11:14

Indranil wrote:This article is correct. Except that ALSR has already been cleared. In clean config it takes over at 100 knots. Wet refueling and small CEPs are correctly reported. Test pilots are currently pushing the 8G envelop. Have gone over a few times, safely. That limit might be revised upwards. SDR and Guns are not part of Mk1 FoC.If no new requirements arrive, Mk1 should recieve FOC by year end.

Wonderful. The mark of a 4th gen fighter, the ALSR and the Auto recovery mode is truly something very impressive from the perspective of making the jet fully carefree.

And with the panic button to recover from any disorienting situation, it should make the jet that much safer for pilots, especially when flying in the dark and over featureless terrain. I remember seeing this feature for the first time in a documentary on the Super Hornet, a long long time ago. The test pilot was testing the panic button and it’s auto recovery feature which would bring the SH to a level attitude from any attitude. Made the jet near impossible to put into a spin and was claimed to have made the pilot’s lives that much safer since pilot disorientation was one of the number one causes of fighter jet.
crashes.

Perhaps in the future they will work on the GCAS - Ground Collision Avoidance System.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 11 Nov 2018 13:44

Kakarat wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrpQJ-7U0AA9s7f.jpg

This pic is monochromatic but seems to indicate 8-9 LCA aircraft on the production floor

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 11 Nov 2018 15:42

My understanding of the pic is SP-10 & SP-11 (completed aircrafts) on the right and SP-12 could be the first one on the left with the one behind it could be SP-14

ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 11 Nov 2018 17:45

HAL ramps up Tejas production

SP-12, SP-14 and SP-16 are with the LCA Tejas Division, SP-13 and SP-15 are with the second production line at the Aircraft Division.

The SP-12 fighter is ready to undergo a full performance EGR (engine ground run) signalling that it will be ready to kiss the skies for the first time in a week.

HAL officials say that SP-13 and SP-15 will be ready for maiden flights in December. The Aircraft Division will hand over these two fighters to the Tejas Division after conducting the HSTT (high-speed taxi trials).

HAL is awaiting a major milestone when L&T Aerospace delivers the wings of Tejas. This it says will be a major step in Make in India and its partnership with a private industry. The last fighter in the IOC series SP-16 will be the first to be integrated with the wings from L&T.

HAL says that the first FOC fighter (SP-21) will fly out by October, 2019. It is hopeful of creating a new benchmark by delivering 16 aircraft during 2019-20 fiscal.

https://english.manoramaonline.com/news ... ssion=true

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 11 Nov 2018 18:34

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 8937722880

Final part of #Tejas series @OnmanoramaLive | #HAL ramps up Tejas production; 5 more fighters to fly out by March 2019 | https://bit.ly/2PPI6lG (Part-4)
Part-1 https://bit.ly/2z15e6X | Part-2 https://bit.ly/2SZVzWA
Part-3 https://bit.ly/2QxYsMG | Hope you enjoyed the series!

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 5412883456

#Tejas fighters from SP-12 to SP-16 from IOC block are all on the final equipping phase. While SP-12, SP-14 (in pic) and SP-16 are with the LCA Tejas Division, SP-13 and SP-15 are with the 2nd production line at the Aircraft Division.

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 1628901376

Energised review mechanism, delegation of responsibilities, increased interaction with vendors and fast-tracking of part supplies have propelled the #Tejas production plans at #HAL. https://bit.ly/2PPI6lG
#Avigeek @akananth | In pic SP-13 at Aircraft Division @OnmanoramaLive

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 6175740928

On FOC front, LCA Div has begun advanced stages of production of 10 sets of detail parts. The assembly of two sets of air fame have already started for SP-21 and SP-22. The parts for SP-23 and SP-24 will be up by the first week of Dec.

nam · Post by **nam** » 11 Nov 2018 18:45

Wonderful news. Things are moving slowly, but steadily. Looks like the full prod cycle for one LCA is 10 months. Hope they reduce it further.

Regarding getting plastered for under-performance driving changes in HAL, looks like plastering works. Fear of bad press seems to be the anecdote.

Just like fear of bad press resulted in a LCA with a wonderful safety record.

Hope there is progress on MK1A as well.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 11 Nov 2018 19:05

The article by writetake is a huge delight to read. Full of information, and to the point. No BS.

Rakesh, since you are maintaining the delivery list I think, can we please pick up some planned key dates from here and put in the first post of the thread under a separate head with something like " Planned future milestones"..? Would be a good reminder of dates. The forum keeps forgeting this all the time and we keep running into circles even with factual info. Would be good to have ready reference.

PS - This Diwali has brought quite a lot of good news from Desi Defense establishment. LCA, HTT40, couple of missile tests and so on.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Nov 2018 19:07

Excellent idea JayS. Let me compile a list and then folks in here can verify and then I will post in first page.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 11 Nov 2018 20:22

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 4422517760

They are trainers. 30 months from DAL

This is the answer for @Pfaff_JTull asking "What about SP-17 to SP-20?"

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Nov 2018 21:48

JayS wrote:Rakesh, since you are maintaining the delivery list I think, can we please pick up some planned key dates from here and put in the first post of the thread under a separate head with something like " Planned future milestones"..? Would be a good reminder of dates. The forum keeps forgeting this all the time and we keep running into circles even with factual info. Would be good to have ready reference.

JayS, how is this?

Planned Future Milestones in 2018, 2019 and 2020

- SP-12 to SP-16 (five birds in all) are are all on the final equipping phase.
- SP-12, SP-14 and SP-16 are with the LCA Tejas Division (Line 1)
- SP-13 and SP-15 are with the second production line at the Aircraft Division (Line 2)
- As of 11 Nov 2018, SP-12 is ready to undergo a full performance EGR (engine ground run), with first flight in a week's time.
- SP-13 and SP-15 will be ready for maiden flights in December 2018.
- SP-16 will have its wings from a private manufacturer - Larsen & Tubro. (who is making the wings now?)
- 16 Tejas aircraft are to be delivered in 2019-20 fiscal year. (All FOC variants?)
- SP-21 (FOC variant) is expected to have a first flight in October 2019.
- The assembly of two sets of air fame have already started for SP-21 and SP-22.
- The parts for SP-23 and SP-24 will be up by the first week of December 2018.

Kakarat wrote:https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 4422517760

They are trainers. 30 months from DAL
This is the answer for @Pfaff_JTull asking "What about SP-17 to SP-20?"

Saar, can you elaborate more? What is DAL? Or did Anantha mean HAL?

Is 30 months the timeframe to deliver the four trainers? I doubt that.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Nov 2018 21:57

Relocation to Sulur AFS is a fantastic move. Sulur offers clear skies and freedom from the congested Bangalore air space.

Flying Daggers, do your magic. You are the pioneers, the torch bearers and will light the path for future Tejas squadrons.

History will be generous to you and will speak of you in glowing terms. Jai Hind!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Nov 2018 22:02

Rakesh Good idea.
When milestones are achieved just note next to the aircraft.
Dont edit with new date.
That way we have data on schedule performance.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Nov 2018 22:05

Ramana-ji, that was JayS idea, not mine. Kudos to him for proposing this. I like it.

ramana wrote:When milestones are achieved just note next to the aircraft.
Dont edit with new date.
That way we have data on schedule performance.

10-4. For sure. I will do that. Thanks.

I just need everyone to confirm the above list and also answer the questions I asked in red and blue. Then I will post on first page.

ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 11 Nov 2018 22:26

Sir, Sorry to say but expected dates are from HAL.. and on previous occasions they didn't meet those promises.

So, lets wait for SP12 to make first flight.. just a week.

sankum · Post by **sankum** » 11 Nov 2018 23:18

It is expected that the DAL(Drawing Applicability List) or the build-standard of eight trainers in the FOC version will be now be ready by February 2019 and the first plane will be likely available to IAF by September, 2021.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 12 Nov 2018 00:03

The time for fitting out the aircraft after the structure is ready has been discussed as anything from 3 months to 9 months. So, Flight of SP16 By March 2019 will be touch & go.

Does AAR continue to be a requirement of FOC or has it been shifted to MK1A?

How many IAF version 2 seater are flying? One or two? Is there any plans to fit AAR probe on it?

It seems production of ten FOC aircraft will be started (has started) without waiting for FOC and balance ten will be built after Formal FOC clearance. I think if FOC of single seater does not come by March 2019 then there will be Gap in production

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Nov 2018 01:08

adding to JayS idea, (if possible), the first post could be sticky to all pages.
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The prod ramp up per year:
2015-16 : 1
2017 : 2
2018 : 5
2019 : 8 [projected]
2020 : 16 [vision]

^someone can put these in a spreadsheet.

and the key driving points:

The 1,000-plus workforce of LCA Tejas Division probably is aware that the future of HAL is currently hinged on to their performances. A plane not wanted by many till recently has suddenly become the hope for a company, its user and the nation.

The upgraded versions of Tejas set to fly out in the future will be a testimony to the belief that making is better than buying.