Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Misra · Post by **Misra** » 12 Nov 2018 00:34

Sachin wrote: The biggest mistake which has been happening is that trying to define Hinduism as an organised religion like X'ianity or Islam. This is a fundamental mistake. And the british introduced governance & judicial systems are unable to comprehend that. So we should not try to bring comparison stories in case of Sabari Mala, it would back fire.

yep. that is exactly what allows statements like the following to be made in articles like the one from scroll linked above:

The element of equality in religion is enforced not by ascertaining what the majority of the believers want, but by ensuring that even a minority within the faith is not excluded arbitrarily.

the whole article rests upon straitjacketing hinduism as a monolith. i’d imagine that the devotees of ayyappa are using the prescribed sadhana for very specific reasons. in my view, non devotees, even if ‘hindu’ otherwise, really don’t have any business being at the shrine

i wonder how/whether the constitution deals with the issue of ishta (personal) devtas or kula (family/clan) devtas. after all anyone who knows how can literally manufacture a god/deity and use it for his/her specific purpose (usually some aspect connected to personal liberation). the whole process of ‘consecration’ of an object (like an idol) or space (like a temple) seems to be just that. willful desecration of a consecrated idol/temple is such an incredible waste at so many levels

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Nov 2018 01:38

539 women register on Online Portal among 300,000 devotees. What eej Rahul Easwar saying about "Ladies' Sabarimala"?
This sounds like less than the usual proportion of 404. Definitely not a "Wave". Wonder if anyone has statistics on how many women are turned away in an average year? (Pre-2018)
This is plan propaganda. One has understand desh like we Mongolians do.
I assume this portal is "free". They should charge 5 rs, refundable at the top of the steps to use to pay for using the Comrade Pinnarayi Vijayan Luxury Potty Fajility. THEN see how many sign up.

When my Evil 6th Coujin tried to teach a GIAN course at EyeEyeTea, 1,732,670 ishtudantz registered since it was "free" and there were no particular prerequisites. Then on the day b4, E6C, inspired by this mass turnout, posted Assignment 1.

4ppl showed up.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 12 Nov 2018 06:59

On the season, there used to be thousands of women turned away, mostly by the advice of other swamys, and some by the checkpost. Mostly Telugu folk. It is very important that the message should be spread well in those lands.

The DB now going all flip-flop about the stance at the SC tomorrow, primarily because they fear litigation on themselves for violation of their oath of office (and possible removal from the position). Poor folk are literally between the Devil and Sea.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Nov 2018 11:46

My sister is visting Shabarimalai this year. She is about 58. She is taking her Adhar Card etc with her as age proof. How are the arrangements there at the Temple and other places?

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 12 Nov 2018 12:35

There are no 'arrangements'. The infra and facilities are reportedly very bad. You need to take KSRTC from Nilackal to Pampa. There are no facilities at Pampa, as everything got washed away in the flood. Even at Sannidhanam, the facilities are reportedly very bad. Expect delays everywhere.

Please.... DO NOT put money in Hundi anywhere. Just put one rupee coin. DO NOT buy Appam/Aravana. The DB is using the money to hire 1 Lakh per hour lawyer to argue against the Temple.

If you get the opportunity, go to the Melsanthi's/thantri's room, take his blessing and make your donation there. It goes to him directly, with no share to DB. Be free to give Dakshina to the priests of various shrines. They are not greedy people, and they will not even expect you to pay. Make them happy.

Now, to potential security issues:
If the 'malikappuram' looks the age, no one is going to bother her. If she looks young, then people may ask questions. Just say "Fifty Eight Years" and show the aadhar card. Most of keralites do not understand Hindi numbers, so use only English numbers. Please dress in black non-fancy cotton, and carry the 'irumudi' on the head (or shoulder). Stop dyeing the hair well in advance

Needless to say, situation awareness is very important. Some NOT TO DOs:

1. Do not try to argue/confront. People may not fully understand what you are saying, due to language issues.
2. Never mention "court order", unless you are already in a friendly conversation with someone who is in agreement with you

May lord Ayyappa bless her with a comfortable trip and darshan.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 12:44

Sabarimala: Devaswom board to submit report in SC. And we really don't know what the stance is going to be. TDB has been changing colours faster than a chameleon, and I have lost track of U turns made by them.
Won’t take police pass for Sabarimala pilgrims’ vehicle: MT Ramesh. The BJP leader is right on this. This vehicle pass only offers one benefit. Parking facility at Nilakkal base camp. The police expects that it would help them figure out the number of people coming in, and whether they are Sanghies or not. The last time the temple opened, BJP & RSS folks all landed up using public transport, or the vehicles which dropped them parked else where.
Sabarimala situation highly critical: Special Commissioner. The temple already has security threats, and if the GoKL makes even a single faulty move, repurcussions would be huge.

UlanBatori wrote:This is plan propaganda. One has understand desh like we Mongolians do.

Yes. It is a section of Malayalam main stream media which is taking the lead here. 550 women at a place where around 5 crore men comes visiting. No body knows if these names were entered by the women or some one else. We now have also seen cases where commies force the women folk at home to try visiting Sabari Mala. The new trend is an attempt to show that the revenue through Devaswom Board Hundis have NOT come down, but increased

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Dileep wrote:The DB now going all flip-flop about the stance at the SC tomorrow, primarily because they fear litigation on themselves for violation of their oath of office (and possible removal from the position). Poor folk are literally between the Devil and Sea.

There were also rumours that Aryama Sundaram, lawyer who was to appear for the TDB has declined to take up the case. And now as per this report (in Malayalam) the GoKL has finally decided to call an all-party meeting. A clear indication that GoKL has blinked and sensed defeat. Their earlier stance was that they need not take any one's advice to implement a court order.

What needs to be done is that Ayyappa bhakthas across South India should file cases against TDB in their local jurisdictional courts complaining that their religious belief was hurt thanks to stand of TDB. No sympathies for the crooks in Devaswom Boards of Kerala. All of them are commie sympathisers given the postings only because of the party membership. And it is such people who have made the temple & staff behave like a govt. office and govt. job holders.

Yagnasri wrote:My sister is visting Shabarimalai this year. She is about 58. She is taking her Adhar Card etc with her as age proof. How are the arrangements there at the Temple and other places?

Please carry age proof. I request you to sensitise her on the situation at Sabari Mala this time around. She may feel a bit of hostility, that is not because of any wrong doing on her part. It is because of the K.P's shady tricks and now women are assumed to be below the age of 50, unless proven other wise. The facilities are not really great this time. The floods destroyed most of the comfort facilities at Pampa river point. A tata company is doing the reconstruction, and their work is only around 60% done.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Nov 2018 13:00

சபரிமலை புனிதத்தை கெடுக்கும் விஷப்பரீட்சை வேண்டாம்! : திண்டுக்கல் குருசாமிகள் அறிவுரை (Should not indulge in the poisonous act of spoiling the holiness of Sabarimala: Guruswamis of Dindugal, Tamilnadu) - Dinamalar.

The Senior Guruswami says that he has been going to Sabarimala for 30 years and he goes a few times every year. He is determined not to induct women 10-50 years old for the pilgrimage. He says that the Dindugal Region Ayyappa Bhaktas have also decided the same.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Nov 2018 20:37

National Commission for Women acting Chairperson Rekha Sharma slammed the Pinayari government saying “I have been here (in Kerala) for a few days, and I am aware that forceful conversion is taking place. The Chief Minister is still not taking the issue seriously. He might have seen the Aamir Khan movie, where he says ‘All is well.’
https://postcard.news/womens-commission ... e-ostrich/

may not be OT, if you want to put the puzzle pieces together.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Nov 2018 20:45

Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt

Kerala government has submitted an affidavit responding to a petition seeking to restrict entry into Sabarimala only for Hindu devotees

https://www.opindia.com/2018/11/sabarim ... rala-govt/

@cpimspeak :-
- Hindus don’t have exclusive right over the temple.
- Muslims and Christians also have to be consulted in the matter of Sabarimala temple.
- Supreme Court had allowed women of all ages to enter the shrine.
{ -- women of different religions,
-- self-declared atheists.
-- activists
-- p0rn stars}

On 12th October, the Kerala government submitted an affidavit responding to a petition filed at Kerala High Court. Lawyer T G Mohandas had filed the petition seeking regulation of non-Hindu and non-idol worshipers into the shrine of Lord Ayyappa.

The affidavit tries to bring some new facts to establish secular credential of Sabarimala temple.
- KJ Yesudas has sung the Harivarasanam song played at the temple. KJ Yesudas is Christian by birth and a Sabarimala devotee, it adds
- Several Christians and Muslims are Sabarimala Ayyappa devotees. They conduct Sabarimala pilgrimage every year.
- The state government adds that it is a ‘debatable fact’ that temple was a worship place for tribals.
- It also says that there is a belief that it was a Buddhist temple.
- The word Saranam is derived from Buddhism, it adds.
- The affidavit also tries to establish that the Shrine has links with Vavar Mosque.

Before taking any decision on the petition, the Wakf Board, Muslim Organisations, Vavar Trust, Christian Organisations, tribal organisations must be consulted, says the affidavit. It says that larger public interest and secular issues are involved in the matter. Hence the court can’t adjudicate the matter without publication in newspapers.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 21:04

^^^ The above stance is a clear indication that CPI(M) is batting for some one else, most likely for X'ians who have their own faithful in the huge set of "advisors" of the CM.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 21:14

Sabari Mala updates..
As per this report (in Malayalam) three writ petitions would be taken up tomorrow (13th) morning hours. 48 odd review petitions would be considered in the evening, and the review would happen at the judge's chamber only. There would not be a hearing in open court for the review petitions.

Govt opposes plea to ban non-Hindus in Sabarimala. There seems to be a well planned strategy to damage the temple completely. I remember reading about the sad situation in Tirupathi, where X'ian pastors preach their stuff right near the temple. While the government is only interested in the revenue. Same seems to be the game plan for Sabari Mala also. Some how make a stand that Sabari Mala is not a full-fledged Hindu temple, once that is established get other religions into the place and damage it completely. I don't think the North Kerala based CPI(M) leadership have the brains to think through this plan, so looks like it more sinister groups who are working on the strategy.

No approval for contempt petitions against Pillai, tantri {chief priest}. Some women had approached the Supreme court against the two. They wanted contempt of court proceedings to be initiated against the two.

Sabarimala pilgrimage: Devotees wary of facilities. And GoKL is busy trying to prove that Sabari Mala is not a Hindu temple.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 12 Nov 2018 21:21

Sachin wrote:^^^ The above stance is a clear indication that CPI(M) is batting for some one else, most likely for X'ians who have their own faithful in the huge set of "advisors" of the CM.

Sachin, is PV a crypto?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 21:30

Karthik S wrote:Sachin, is PV a crypto?

AFAIK No. But he has made a visit to Vatican, and generally also do the mandatory boot licking of X'ian clergy at the time of elections etc. He also was against pulling out a huge cross fixed on an encroached forest & hill area. But I think he is not a very religious person. But among his advisor group there are very pro-X'ian folks. And at least one minister who regularly abuses Hindu priests, I guess is under the influence of his wife an X"ian. So it could be a case where X'ian clergy and Islamic businessmen are using a gullible (and always-try-to-prove-that-he-is-atheist) Chief Minister to further their agendas.

Javee · Post by **Javee** » 12 Nov 2018 21:46

This stand by GoKL is beyond funny. But their flip flops will do the Hindu community a big favor. People who were in the fence now look at the absurdity of asking permission from wakf board on Sabarimala. But I hope they don't break the sanctity of the temple just to prove a point.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 12 Nov 2018 21:48

Thanks Sachin. Could relate to NR of Chidu.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 12 Nov 2018 22:19

Does anyone know the story of the xtian friend of Lord Ayyappa - Velthaye or Veluthachan or whatever?

I'm suspecting it to be of later additions to get into Ayyappa lore by the christians... Is there any history which is before portugese arrival? Hopefully, not another St. Thomas related fake history.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 22:48

Javee wrote:This stand by GoKL is beyond funny. But their flip flops will do the Hindu community a big favor. People who were in the fence now look at the absurdity of asking permission from wakf board on Sabarimala. But I hope they don't break the sanctity of the temple just to prove a point.

It is becoming clear that even communists are facing severe criticism in their own homes (I personally can vouch for that

). They are not even able to convince their own women folk on GoKL action plan. The communication department of GoKL actually prepared a big document trying to explain its stance. And if any gullible person believes that, the next move from GoKL is even more nasty. A Hindu temple, is now show cased as a "Temple for every one" with even a Budhist connection thrown in. Kerala had the misfortune of CPI(M) led governments even earlier, but there was a limit to their stupidity. But the current one is surpassing all limits. It is for the first time in history that an elected government has a large number of "advisors" in its pay roll. The chief minister has a media advisor and even an advisor on police matters (plus very many others). The previous governments trusted their DGP on police matters, and could handle the media with ease. All this kind of gives me a feeling that the present chief minister has very limited knowledge on this "ruling a state" business. He ideally should have remained the CPI(M) party secretary in Kerala.

vinod wrote:Does anyone know the story of the xtian friend of Lord Ayyappa - Velthaye or Veluthachan or whatever?
I'm suspecting it to be of later additions to get into Ayyappa lore by the christians...

. Well this character is a new addition. Velutha Achan (literally "white padre") is said to have been a pal of Lord Ayyappa just like Babar/Vavar (a Muslim). My first pilgrimage to Sabari Mala was in the 1980s, I knew about Babar/Vavar even then, but this Velutha Achan was not even in the picture. This character may have been introduced well after late 1990s especially after the Nilakkal Church issue. Now you may ask, which Hindu would now support such ridiculous theories. Well the answer is folks like Rahul Eswar (the same chap who talks about violent protests in Sabari Mala). Sabari Mala was actually burnt down by some people -believed to be X'ians - in early 1950s; click here to see the official police report (filed by Kesava Menon, DIG, Special Branch CID).

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 12 Nov 2018 22:53

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Nov 2018 22:57

^^^ Since all these points are about "accepting" the belief system at Sabari Mala, why not allow the same "belief system" which puts a restriction on women in a certain age bracket (or on their physical conditions?). GoKL is willing to change "belief system" on the basis of a court order, and the uses the same "belief system" to prove that the temple is not a Hindu temple. Can things get more ridiculous than this??

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Nov 2018 23:05

Do you wonder whether the commie GOKL gamed this to this point and beyond? You may want to remember that these people have a long history of getting away with murder and mayhem, and loot and corruption, since the days of the British. Karl Marx was a racist who fully supported British colonialism and loot of India.

This is now becoming apparent as a loot strategy, given that SM has become about the best non-liquor, no-real-estate scam baksheesh source for AKG Centre. Why assume that they are "reacting" rather than going according to plan?

Oh, yeah! Sabarimala is a Christian-Islamic shrine

where all cite a "Buddhist" word "saranam" (refuge/final destination - a word that did not exist in Sanatana Dharma until Budharakhita Tero yelled it after shooting S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike)! As they climb to do idol-worship. After praying at 100 temples to various Gawds for 41 days.
Didn't Comrade Zoroastraputra Gurmukh Singh Wong Wei Rosenblum build the 18 steps I wonder. Apologies in advance to all "faiths" that make a career out of Taking Offence, haven't listed some for that reason. I am an Equal Opportunity Offender onlee.

What we see here is the fundamental flaw in "hinduism" as practised by the ignorant:

There is no merit in the lamb professing vegetarianism, as long as the wolf is of a different persuasion.

I think the Waqf/Church Permission thing removes the wolf's costume. Wonder what else is coming.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 12 Nov 2018 23:11

Sachin wrote: . Well this character is a new addition. Velutha Achan (literally "white padre") is said to have been a pal of Lord Ayyappa just like Babar/Vavar (a Muslim). My first pilgrimage to Sabari Mala was in the 1980s, I knew about Babar/Vavar even then, but this Velutha Achan was not even in the picture. This character may have been introduced well after late 1990s especially after the Nilakkal Church issue. Now you may ask, which Hindu would now support such ridiculous theories. Well the answer is folks like Rahul Eswar (the same chap who talks about violent protests in Sabari Mala). Sabari Mala was actually burnt down by some people -believed to be X'ians - in early 1950s; click here to see the official police report (filed by Kesava Menon, DIG, Special Branch CID).

Arthunkal Veluthan is a portugese priest who died in 1632 as per wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthunkal

So how does Ayyappa and priest become friends with hundreds of years between them???

Why does Rahul Easwar support this nonsense? Is this just for demonstrating his secular credentials...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Nov 2018 23:13

huge rally in palakkad

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Nov 2018 23:13

So how does Ayyappa and priest become friends with hundreds of years between them???

Ah! The innocence of the Young! Same way as Saint Thomas' Young Skeleton was buried at the top of St. Thomas Mount over the ruins of the temple that was destroyed there, centuries before his Old Skeleton was buried in Rome.

Miracle!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Nov 2018 23:14

has anybody read this old 1950 report?
http://firstministry.kerala.gov.in/wp-c ... e_arsn.pdf

Please do

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Nov 2018 00:52

parangi malai aka st. thomas mount near meenambakkam was the home of Sage Bringi. The same sage who left his kindi (kamandalu) at a place became Guindy, and renamed by the firangis/parangis - after due occupations ceremoniously. When he invited Lord Ram, he created a nandavanam (for Ram to enjoy while visiting) - nandambakkam. Valmiki raised luva&kusha (puri) - koyambedu [mentioned in tirupugazh]. there is also valmiki nagar.

just giving out a small list for occupants to cherish!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2018 07:09

Speaking of "Saranam", I have traced the true origins of the word!!!

"Saranam, Saranam"
Traditional Pakistani, translated by D.T. Niles;
The United Methodist Hymnal, No. 523
D.T. Niles
Jesus, Savior, Lord, lo, to thee I fly:
Saranam, Saranam, Saranam;
Thou the Rock, my refuge that's higher than I;
Saranam, Saranam, Saranam.*

Don't shoot the messenger pls. Merely posting what I found.

From deeper down:

I-to Loh, a Taiwanese ethnomusicologist and hymnologist, notes that the word “saranam” is repeated in a mantra-like fashion similar to a Hindu incantation.

HINDU incantation? HOW DARE THEY ascribe that to HINDOOS, hain?

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 13 Nov 2018 07:57

vinod wrote:Does anyone know the story of the xtian friend of Lord Ayyappa - Velthaye or Veluthachan or whatever?

I'm suspecting it to be of later additions to get into Ayyappa lore by the christians... Is there any history which is before portugese arrival? Hopefully, not another St. Thomas related fake history.

This is a later BS. There are NO mention of this in the "Sastham Pattu" lore.

See, all the Ayyappa legends are essentially detailed in the 'Sastham Pattu' lore. This form of art is performed as part of the pilgrimage tradition. 'Vavar' is very much there in detail, but no Velutha Achan.

More about Sastham Pattu: The tradition is to have a whole night programme in preparation for the journey. Various pujas and rituals are performed throughout, accompanied by this singing. These include 'superhuman' acts, such as people jumping into pits full of glowing embers, taking out fried dough from the boiling oil with bare hands etc. The entire Ayyappa legend will be covered in song by morning. Neighbours and relatives come over, and there will be a 'sadya' etc.

Example of Sastham Pattu:

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Nov 2018 08:37

SaiK wrote:has anybody read this old 1950 report?
http://firstministry.kerala.gov.in/wp-c ... e_arsn.pdf

Please do

Wow...took me two hours but what an exhaustive report. Shri Kesava Menon deserves extraordinary praise.

Now, I also understand why the Nilakkal church raised such a furore.

Thanks for posting, SaiK.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Nov 2018 09:46

So are non Hindus now claiming to have become idol worshipers or the commies and urban naxals claiming that xtians and muslims can also be idol worshippers under special circumstances??

Wonder what their desert books have to say about such unadulterated blasphemy??

Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt

Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt

Kerala government has submitted an affidavit responding to a petition seeking to restrict entry into Sabarimala only for Hindu devotees

NOVEMBER 12, 2018

Continuing its anti-Hindu stand in the Sabarimala temple controversy, the Kerala state government has said that Hindus don’t have exclusive right over the temple. The Left government says that Muslims and Christians also have to be consulted in the matter of Sabarimala temple.

On 12th October, the Kerala government submitted an affidavit responding to a petition filed at Kerala High Court. Lawyer T G Mohandas had filed the petition seeking regulation of non-Hindu and non-idol worshipers into the shrine of Lord Ayyappa.

In September this year, the Supreme Court had allowed women of all ages to enter the shrine. After that, several women of different religions, and self-declared atheists had tried to enter the temple. The petition was filed in response to such attempts.

Responding to this affidavit, Kerala government has stated that Sabarimala is a secular temple. It also says that religion can’t be a basis for restriction of entry of devotees.

The affidavit tries to bring some new facts to establish secular credential of Sabarimala temple. It mentions that KJ Yesudas has sung the Harivarasanam song played at the temple. KJ Yesudas is Christian by birth and a Sabarimala devotee, it adds. It says that several Christians and Muslims are Sabarimala Ayyappa devotees. They conduct Sabarimala pilgrimage every year.

The state government adds that it is a ‘debatable fact’ that temple was a worship place for tribals. It also says that there is a belief that it was a Buddhist temple. The word Saranam is derived from Buddhism, it adds. The affidavit also tries to establish that the Shrine has links with Vavar Mosque.

Before taking any decision on the petition, the Wakf Board, Muslim Organisations, Vavar Trust, Christian Organisations, tribal organisations must be consulted, says the affidavit. It says that larger public interest and secular issues are involved in the matter. Hence the court can’t adjudicate the matter without publication in newspapers.

In an earlier hearing of the petition, the Kerala High Court had said that Sabarimala belongs to all, not just Hindus.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Nov 2018 10:21

Very clear Kerala Hindus need to make the MLAs resign and make tis5 govt fall. It is ready to twist everything to achieve the goal of secularizing Sabarimala.
CPM must go.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Nov 2018 10:40

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 596653.cms

Anxious wait as Supreme Court to decide on Sabarimala pleas today

But @CMOKerala :

Sources in the government said they don’t expect a major change in the
SC verdict and so they will go ahead with plans already conceived to
implement the order.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Nov 2018 11:39

Dileep wrote:Still no volunteers for Kannada!! I am sad onlee.

The below message is in Kannada. Got it done through some folks here. Please note, I have not proof read the same but the chap who prepared is reliable, and a dharmic person.
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ಶಬರಿಮಲೆ ಸ್ವಾಮಿ ಅಯ್ಯಪ್ಪ ಅವರ ಆತ್ಮೀಯ ಭಕ್ತರೇ,

ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸನ್ನಿಧಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಬಲವಂತವಾಗಿ ಮಹಿಳೆಯರನ್ನು ತರುವಮೂಲಕ ನಮ್ಮ ಸ್ವಾಮಿ ಅಯ್ಯಪ್ಪ ಮೇಲೆ ನಮ್ಮ ನಂಬಿಕೆಗಳನ್ನು ನಾಶಮಾಡಲು ಕೇರಳ ಸರ್ಕಾರ ಮತ್ತು ದೇವಸ್ವಂ ಮಂಡಳಿಯಪ್ರಯತ್ನಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನೀವು ತಿಳಿದಿರುತ್ತೀರಿ. ಅವರು ದಶಕಗಳವರೆಗೆ ದೇವಸ್ಥಾನದಲ್ಲಿ ಹಣವನ್ನು ಲೂಟಿ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಈ ಆಕ್ರೋಶವು ನಿಲ್ಲಬೇಕು. ಸರ್ಕಾರಕ್ಕೆ ಹಣವನ್ನು ನಿರಾಕರಿಸುವಮೂಲಕ ನಾವು ನಮ್ಮ ಹಕ್ಕುಗಳನ್ನು ಸಮರ್ಥಿಸಬೇಕು.

ನಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆ ಮತ್ತು ತುಪ್ಪ ತೆಂಗಿನಕಾಯಿ ಮತ್ತು ಸಾಂಪ್ರದಾಯಿಕ ನಾಣ್ಯದ ಕೊಡುಗೆಯನ್ನು ಮಾತ್ರ ದೇವರು ಬಯಸುತ್ತಾನೆ. ದೇವರು ನಮ್ಮಿಂದ ದೊಡ್ಡ ಪ್ರಮಾಣದ ಹಣ ಮತ್ತು ಅಪ್ಪಮ್ ಹಾಗೂ ಅರವನ ಅಂತಹ ವಸ್ತುಗಳನ್ನು ನಾವುಖರೀದಿಸಬೇಕೆಂದು ಬಯಸುವುದಿಲ್ಲ.

ಶಬರಿಮಲಕ್ಕೆ ನಮ್ಮ ತೀರ್ಥಯಾತ್ರೆ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ಮೇಲ್ಕಂಡ ಸಾಂಪ್ರದಾಯಿಕ ಅರ್ಪಣೆಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾತ್ರ ತಂದುಕೊಡಿ. ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ಹಂಡಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ಹಣವನ್ನು ಹಾಕಬೇಡಿ. ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ಅಪ್ಪಮ್ ಮತ್ತು ಅರವನ ಅರ್ಪಣೆಗಳನ್ನು ಖರೀದಿಸಬೇಡಿ. ಬದಲಿಗೆ, ಕಾಗದದ ಚೀಟಿಯಲ್ಲಿ "ಶಬರಿಮಲೆ ಸಂಪ್ರದಾಯ ಉಳಿಸಿ" ಮತ್ತು "ಸ್ವಾಮಿಯೇ ಶರಣಂ ಅಯ್ಯಪ್ಪ" ಎಂದು ಬರೆದು ಹುಂಡಿಗೆ ಅರ್ಪಿಸಿ.

ಭಕ್ತರ ಮೇಲೆ ಆಕ್ರೋಶವನ್ನು ತೋರಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸೊಕ್ಕಿನಸರ್ಕಾರಕ್ಕೆ ಆಕ್ರೋಶವನ್ನು ಹಿಂದಿರುಗಿಸೋಣ.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Nov 2018 11:53

Mean while
Writ petitions on Sabarimala to be heard after review pleas: SC.
So what would happen is that review petitions would be taken up in the judges' chambers at 3PM today. In case the review petitions are rejected out right, the writ petitions would still be heard in open court.

chetak wrote:So are non Hindus now claiming to have become idol worshipers or the commies and urban naxals claiming that xtians and muslims can also be idol worshippers under special circumstances??

The CPI(M) plan seems to get too many cooks to spoil the broth. They are deliberately bringing in X'ians and Muslims to delay the cases further. It is now becoming obvious that CPI(M) led GoKL does not have any plans of leaving Sabari Mala alone, their aim is to cause maximum damage to the temple when they have the opportunity. It is quite obvious that X'ian and Muslim religious bodies would never support idol worship etc., because that would be negating their own religious beliefs.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 13 Nov 2018 11:55

^^Just to make sure, can someone who can read Kannada check this please?

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 13 Nov 2018 11:56

The Writ Petitions getting postponed is a good sign. Swamy Saranam.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Nov 2018 12:43

Dileep wrote:^^Just to make sure, can someone who can read Kannada check this please?

How are you planning to circulate this? Are you planning to make image files and circulate it on-line? Or circulating it through leaflets? If you are making image files (one image for each language), please share it here. It can then be circulated over social media as well.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Nov 2018 12:47

Sachin wrote:Mean while
Writ petitions on Sabarimala to be heard after review pleas: SC.
So what would happen is that review petitions would be taken up in the judges' chambers at 3PM today. In case the review petitions are rejected out right, the writ petitions would still be heard in open court.

chetak wrote:So are non Hindus now claiming to have become idol worshipers or the commies and urban naxals claiming that xtians and muslims can also be idol worshippers under special circumstances??
The CPI(M) plan seems to get too many cooks to spoil the broth. They are deliberately bringing in X'ians and Muslims to delay the cases further. It is now becoming obvious that CPI(M) led GoKL does not have any plans of leaving Sabari Mala alone, their aim is to cause maximum damage to the temple when they have the opportunity. It is quite obvious that X'ian and Muslim religious bodies would never support idol worship etc., because that would be negating their own religious beliefs.

Can't people in KER see the repeated and blatant attempts by the commies and their urban naxal supporters to destroy the sanctity of this major temple??

Surely, no SC judgement would have envisaged such a deviously concerted attempt by an "elected" govt to drive a sickular stake through the very vitals of the Hindu belief system.

or has this crisis been deliberately and deceitfully manufactured and ingeniously coordinated by the BIF?? all the while, dexterously, using a pliant state machinery, both at the center as well as the state??

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 13 Nov 2018 12:56

Sachin wrote:
Dileep wrote:^^Just to make sure, can someone who can read Kannada check this please?
How are you planning to circulate this? Are you planning to make image files and circulate it on-line? Or circulating it through leaflets? If you are making image files (one image for each language), please share it here. It can then be circulated over social media as well.

First I will make image files and spread through SM. Then the plan is to print some good number of copies and distribute them at the nodal points like Chottanikkara and Ettumanoor (if I can find volunteers)

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Nov 2018 13:32

chetak wrote:Can't people in KER see the repeated and blatant attempts by the commies and their urban naxal supporters to destroy the sanctity of this major temple??

The game plan seems to be to wear out the pilgrims. I mean make the whole pilgrimage a difficult excercise. And once women start entering, GoKL feels that the protests would die out. They still have few more years to play around, and by then people would forget every thing. They would then go back to pure politics, commies would bring in wedges using the castes etc. With minority vote banks, their victory is pretty much assured.

or has this crisis been deliberately and deceitfully manufactured and ingeniously coordinated by the BIF?? all the while, dexterously, using a pliant state machinery, both at the center as well as the state??

I don't know about the central government mind-set, as they have actually not their stand out in the open. They have completely kept away from the issue. In Kerala, I now strongly feel that CPI(M) government is being used as cats paws and BIF are very much active in the state. This is one unique temple and pilgrimage in South India, and destorying it would certainly be a priority for BIF. CPI(M) state & their useless national level leadership all seems to be working together with BIF, perhaps hoping that it would be a political victory over RSS & BJP. CPI(M)'s last bastion is KL.

ravikr · Post by **ravikr** » 13 Nov 2018 14:04

Dileep wrote:^^Just to make sure, can someone who can read Kannada check this please?

i am unable to paste in kannada font so linking a image..

(Image edited for spelling..thanks Sachin Sir..)