Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 07:52

Gee! U guys are so freaked out you don't read. I didn't say or think that the lack of shoes was a sign of mutiny: just that they had that much sensitivity. And hence, they are probably not enjoying being cast as devotee-thrashing goons. And THAT is a reason why they may be getting very sick of the orders - and susceptible to some gentle pointers.
IOW, try to pass those slips of paper to the polis: they need it for u-no-what anyway since there is no water for them either, and copies of "DeshaBhimani" may be in high demand and short supply.
Always good to remember historical poetry:

Ahr soldiers went to war
Ahr soldiers fought well...
Ahr soldiers shoved their bayonets
Up the Major's (****hole)!

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 07:58

So Stalling Stalin has replaced an excitable police chief (Manoj Abraham) after first round of mess up with an even more excitable police Chief (yatish chandra) with borderline psychotic behavior in public. Both have videos of anger management issues and public meltdowns. Wonder the old-khaki gent who is advising CM is still non-senile?

Old Crazy:

Some vigilance inquiry about disproportionate assets worth 67 lacs etc, alleged favors to quarries, alleged issues with buying police riot kits etc.....

which got quashed by....Courts! Due to lack of evidence. So must be innocent

He resigned in a huff as IPS association Secretary, after a former DGP made a comment that too many criminals are at the top

New Crazy:

Back in 2015, his first entrance into public discourse, he was beating up commies themselves

He got called up by then then DGP Senkumar and given a harsh warning, much to clapping of kammies, when they were in opposition

His actions against protestors in PuthVypeen, while he was in kochi

Man-child dressed up yesterday as Komissar of the Hills and Jernail of GreyWater Kammandus, Marshal Bolisov

Here is his FB page pofile page pic. That FB post of himself in dolled-up in camo is the surest sign of this man-child having a large erection, a la paki jernails.

Matter of time before he burst his nut after looking at his own photos and deaths of Ayyappas happen

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 07:59

UlanBatori wrote: a sign of mutiny:

Bolis at the shrine top dont wear shoes, can grow bushy beard and hang a towel around neck for sweat wicking..... so dont go by that footage. But quote part above, you might be close to truth

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 08:17

Yes, I wondered about who was being impressed by the camo uniforms. Blending into the jungle? Fraternizing with tigresses? Hiding from old wimmens wielding chattukams?

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 19 Nov 2018 08:17

High time PMO takes public stand as does something. I can't stay 'backdoor' if at all, and running things behind the scenes as some people here thinking. Can you imagine the hue and cry if a state BJP govt did this and UPA was at the center?
Assaulting devotees should have been the red line.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 08:21

All told, the Janam TV propaganda about Police Brutality is stretched a bit too far. Polis made clear that ppl were not to sleep up there. Ppl disregarded it. Polis showed that they had to follow orders. I did not see any out-of-control behavior by polis, sorry. Not that a small thing like that should keep people from campaigning for ouster of the CPIM. OK, one can argue that the order to not stay up there was intrusive and stupid, but maybe I don't know their security imperatives. Maybe they want to bring the under-50 wimmens tomorrow at pre-dawn, disguised as tigresses.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 08:23

abhijitm wrote:In states like Kerala people respect street and muscle power. What BJP doing is right. It is just like Tripura. Unless you show people you can be as powerful as commies, those who are voting commies out of fear will not shed fear and come to BJP.

This is not a right assessment, IMHO:
1) "People of Kerala" are not a monolith. Even among minorities, there are divisions. Eg: our local muslims here in Trivandrum, are known to revolt frequently against the IUML leadership, with disastrous electoral outcomes for the UDF coalition. Similarly, plethora of small leftist partys formed by influential dissident leaders wreak havoc on the CPI-M too. What you said is true in maybe two districts - places like Kannur and Alapuzha (two districts among 15) have lots of street and muscle power of commies, which they use to enforce their writ. The others dont

2) It is not like Tripura (or WB), where lots of districts have the commie writ run large and administration is weak. Even in Kannur, BJP leaders like Thillenkari or Cong leader like Sudhakaran have proven to be able warlords who beat up commie goons with regularity.

3) Congress under the UDF banner, repeatedly smacks the commies in every alternate elections, to wide margins. Tripura or WB were not like that

4) As others are pointing out and which I keep harping for years here, BJP is not going to make *any* breakthrough inroads, until there is a cadre of solid young leaders who can talk rationally on TV and at the same time, do socially relevant programs.

That last point is how commies developed staying power (a large collection of young leaders who can talk well) and how a novice like AAP conquered Dilli (with "keep hospitals and schools off corruption) effortlessly last time. Unless that happens with BJP, this groundswell of support too might dissipate

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 08:32

UlanBatori wrote:All told, the Janam TV propaganda about Police Brutality is stretched a bit too far. Polis made clear that ppl were not to sleep up there. Ppl disregarded it. Polis showed that they had to follow orders. I did not see any out-of-control behavior by polis, sorry. Not that a small thing like that should keep people from campaigning for ouster of the CPIM. OK, one can argue that the order to not stay up there was intrusive and stupid, but maybe I don't know their security imperatives. Maybe they want to bring the under-50 wimmens tomorrow at pre-dawn, disguised as tigresses.

Please! That is once again the khanlander in you talking - here we dont get shot in our face because we are darker than the cop and disobeyed an order to go back home while protesting. Every police murder video from the US will have some police-apologizer commenter like you saying "he was following procedure" or "when a cop asks you to do something, do it"

We dont want the bolis to hide behind such western universalisms! If there is no violence other than clapping and chanting, ayyappas better be safe from murder!

In every war, there are honorable officers who say no to douche-orders from above, which is based on inflicting brutality and still get their job done. Last two rounds, the Sannidhanam were headed by capable officers who said "no" to "orders from above" at how to brutally handle ayyappas and yet got the pilgrim flow going. That is why no deaths happened and the govt survived. But they all got replaced by those you claim to be following "orders"

Janam TV is way out there in matter of shrillness. But it is the sort of thing that catches attention, as commies will readily tell you from their past very successful experiences with PR

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 08:50

Alphonse Kannamthanam just started to question why 144 has been issued? Also wanted to see how the state government had spent 100 crores has given for Sabarimala improvement. He is openly saying that the Kerala police is overstepping their limits.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 08:55

Actually I am basing it on the history and expectations of Polis Brutality in Kerala, of which I seem to have seen much more (fortunately only in reports) than you guys....

In all the TV footage (as opposed to mouthage) there was just one instant where a guy was dragged upright because he was refusing to get up, then he said OK, I am getting up and they let go of him. That is ***NOT** "Polis brutality" and it is not "polis apologism" but telling the plain truth. Perhaps there is other video out there, like of the devotee getting kicked in the abdomen with boots. They said the devotee was "showing the marks on his body" but I did not see that. There seemed to be a bit of melodrama in that whole thing.

But this **IS*** what happens when polis have to confront people who won't move. They drag them. In this case I could see the polis carefully picking up the stuff left on the floor when they got the sleepers up. No disrespect, you have to give credit to the polis there. They WERE doing their jobs, and doing it with amazing discipline. When they marched them all downhill to take them away in vans, it was almost like they were all one group, no bullying. Of course they knew TV lights were on them.

Actually one should be proud of the professionalism displayed by the Kerala Police. Not in ANY way the brutes/bozos that they are being pictured on TV. (or in all the soap operas).

Put the blame on whoever ordered the polis to get up there and impose Cr. PC 144. That requires collusion of a magistrate, does it not? IIRC that means "no more than 5 ppl can congregate at one time" On what basis was that order given, where lakhs of people were expected to congregate? Why is no one asking about the magistrate's bona fides?

This whole idea that one can ignore the Supreme Court (not that they don't put clowns out of business with their competition..), ignore the Police... what next? ignore the Army? all seems a fairly forlorn losers' mode of operation. All being done on the grand hope that there is a miraculous end game with Narendra Modi and Amit Shah coming down in Indra's Chariot to Save The Faithful.

I am afraid next news headlines will be about lathi-charge in Thodupuzha, maybe in TVM. Then Polis Firing with several dead....
None of that is American. It is the Standard Model of Kerala govt. change. Seen it too many times. Rahul Easwar is taking the same worn path taken by VM Sudheeran and AK Anthony to get up to power. Pinnaray etc just murdered people, much simpler.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 08:56

mappunni wrote:Alphonse Kannamthanam just started to question why 144 has been issued? Also wanted to see how the state government had spent 100 crores has given for Sabarimala improvement.

Those are the right questions. Also which magistrate signed off on 144 and on what basis. Probably a marxist magistrate.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 19 Nov 2018 09:21

The 144 should be by the Collector. Yaknow, the one who was searching for his gluteus maximus with two hands and a flashlight during the flood. Same guy.

I tend to agree with UB Saar on the police brutality and Janam TV coverage. But that is the 'naarmal' here. You should compare with the coverage by Kairali/Beebul/Asianet during a commie demonstration during UDF.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 09:31

Watched another video link where Yatish Chandra AKA ManChild yelling at Sasikala teacher that she has to come down from Sannidhanam at 1 pm in the afternoon.

He basically has said that Sasikala teacher does not have the right to practise her religion freely which is guaranteed by the Indian constitution. The Commies think they right to anything only applies to the Commies.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 09:40

UlanBatori wrote:Actually I am basing it on the history and expectations of Polis Brutality in Kerala, of which I seem to have seen much more (fortunately only in reports) than you guys....

No sir, you haven't. Please dont make this a benis measurement thing! You really haven't

It is not funny to hear "fortunately only in reports", for anyone who have undergone police brutality when Left was ruling.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 09:41

Dileep wrote:But that is the 'naarmal' here. You should compare with the coverage by Kairali/Beebul/Asianet during a commie demonstration during UDF.

exactly what I was saying - this is the sort of gaspy reporting that gets eyeballs, as the BARC reports of malayalam news channels prove

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 09:51

mappunni wrote:Also wanted to see how the state government had spent 100 crores has given for Sabarimala improvement

It was spent better than first time, when the state govt diverted it completely! This was before the floods. After the flood damages, the state govt did nada. It is going to be interesting if Minister Kannanthanam persists, because, well, he was close to Kannur Stallin until recently and there are no data-points to prove that has changed

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 10:23

hnair wrote:
mappunni wrote:Also wanted to see how the state government had spent 100 crores has given for Sabarimala improvement
It was spent better than first time, when the state govt diverted it completely! This was before the floods. After the flood damages, the state govt did nada. It is going to be interesting if Minister Kannanthanam persists, because, well, he was close to Kannur Stallin until recently and there are no data-points to prove that has changed

Hmmm Was expecting something substantial from Alphons.

I had taken my younger girl about 3 years ago during the month of June (that is when Nada opens during the 1st of Malayalam month) There were no clean bathrooms or for that matter, there were wild boars roaming around freely. When I see the pictures I had expected leaps and bounds improvement, I see that commies have swallowed the money.

Anyhow, let's wait and see. Good night. Hope it will be a peaceful day in Sannidhanam.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 19 Nov 2018 10:27

I don't expect facilities to improve in the future either, if you guys watched Rajiv Malhotra's interview of Piyush Goyal, the minster was talking something about magnanimity of Hindus regarding all this,. Don't know what the guy was talking about, but if the so called hindu party has this thinking about govt control of temples, you can imagine what others would do. If temples are not under the control of local hindu bodies, don't expect to see any improvement.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 10:59

19/11/2018 1100Hrs.
Six women said to have reached Ernakulam to proceed to Sabari Mala. The news first appeared in Mathrubhumi News channel, but now they have pulled back the story. They are said to be now moved to an "undisclosed location", and are said to be from Northern Kerala (a CPI(M) strong hold).

Pilgrimage at Sabari Mala now seems to be a risky activity. The police is baffled that RSS activists were still able to reach the holy shrine, and organise a protest Ayyappa mantra chanting. Yesterday's coordinator has been identified as Rajesh R, and it was he who mustered the pilgrims. Police had plans to arrest only him, but all his supporters also stood with him and the police was forced to arrest all of them. The police is now dead sure that RSS cadres are still present at Sannidhanam (hill top shrine) premises; but have no clue on their identities. The arrested Ayyappa devotees are now detained at KAP 5 Bn camp at near by Maniyar. Protests are now being held in front of the camp and various police stations as well.

Looks like things are going from bad to worse at Sabari Mala. BJP plans to send their central ministers one after the other to the shrine. Alphons Kannamthanam would come today and Pon Radhakrishnan may follow him tomorrow. My only request would be both of them should highlight the fact that even minimum facilities are not there for the Ayyappa pilgrims; they are being harrassed and even not allowed to conduct the rituals peacefully. Where as the same government was going over board in welcoming women and offering them all facilities. It is reported that agencies like IB have sent up a report that Sabari Mala pilgrimage is being disrupted mainly due to GoKL policies.

Now the police have again started stopping pilgrim movement at a place Ilavunkal (around 45km before Nilakkal Base camp). Their earlier promise was that pilgrims who had to do Ghee abhishekam can do that if they come during morning hours. With these stops, they would not be able to reach on time for the Ghee abhishekam. The police through deliberate moves are making the entire pilgrimage a farce. May be the commies would next say that these rituals are all meaningless, we stopped pilgrims from doing it and they went back without a fuss .

Mean while the pilgrim foot fall has been considerably less. The expected foot fall was around 5 lakhs, but the actual is only close to 1 lakh. The ever greedy Travancore Devaswom Board is crying that none of the Prasadam products are getting "sold".

A lot of things would now depend on the orders from Supreme Court today.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 11:12

By the way, Kerala Police have officially informed the court that they have NOT been able to identify the police men seen on video vandalising vehicle of public, during the first round of protests. Which shows that police have no plans to play a fair game, and they are protecting rowdies in their ranks and only focusing on the pilgrims.

hnair wrote:So Stalling Stalin has replaced an excitable police chief (Manoj Abraham) after first round of mess up with an even more excitable police Chief (yatish chandra) with borderline psychotic behavior in public. Both have videos of anger management issues and public meltdowns. Wonder the old-khaki gent who is advising CM is still non-senile?

Yathish Chandra is now the police commissioner Thrissur City. If you have time check up the Facebook page of Thrissur City Police. It is a "Yathish Chandra glorification" page. Even the profile picture is not of the City police, but that of their commissioner

. If Mr.X is still "advicing" CM on police matters, may be he is giving the advices based on the old grudges he may have against the commies

. He may not have forgotten the ISRO spy case.

UlanBatori wrote:Put the blame on whoever ordered the polis to get up there and impose Cr. PC 144. That requires collusion of a magistrate, does it not?

UlanBatori wrote:Those are the right questions. Also which magistrate signed off on 144 and on what basis. Probably a marxist magistrate.

Dileep wrote:The 144 should be by the Collector.

Cr.PC 144 is imposed by the executive magistrate, and this time it was P.B Nooh who put the orders as the District Collector of Pathanamthitta Dt. And there is also another sub-collector/RDO now at the hill temple, who as an executive magistrate have authority to direct police firings etc. And Cr.PC 144 imposition is generally a joint decision taken by the executive magistrate and the police.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Nov 2018 11:20

This is why Sabarimala verdict has come about.

The BIF is emboldened, the discrimination is fundamental and blessed by the "holy" constitution" which all the BIF copiously quote to justify their brazen sickular assaults.

India is a true democracy.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 12:08

Updates at 19/11/2018 1200Hrs.

6 young women arrive in Kochi from Malabar for Sabarimala darshan. Most likely this would be from the "party villages" of CPI(M) from North Kerala districts like Kannur. SB CID seems to have collected the details of the women. But the police have said that they have to reach Nilakkal base camp on their own and at their own risk.
No basic amenities for pilgrims in Pampa: {MP Alfons} Kannanthanam. And he has condemned the imposition of Cr.PC 144 as well. But what next?
Alphons Kannanthanam in Sabarimala; `Situation worse than emergency'. What next? Is his visit getting covered on national media?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Nov 2018 12:10

Sachin, incase you forgot, the chap you refering to (no names!) has an axe to grind not against the communists, but against the A-groupers of Congress

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 19 Nov 2018 12:49

Indic Collective
‏ @indiccollective

1. Writ Petition WP (C) 35385/2018 filed by ICT President Sri. @trramesh on Sabarimala issue has come up for hearing along with various other petitions before the division bench of Kerala High Court today.

2. Justice Ramachandra Menon prima facie enquired about police committing excess and asked reasons for police harassing even aged persons at #Sabarimala. Justice Ramachandra Menon also stated that police cannot harrass genuine devotees under the guise implementing the SC verdict

3. Justice Ramachandra Menon also asked how police can prevent devotees from staying at nadapandal and stated that police cannot stay anywhere except barracks

4. Justice Ramachandra Menon further said that police cannot occupy the rooms meant for devotees and asked the police to not deploy personnel not trained in crowd management at #Sabarimala

5. Justice Ramachandra Menon has asked the Advocate General to appear before the bench at 1:45 PM. Court will reconvene at that time.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Nov 2018 13:07

Massive protests erupt at Sabarimala after Communist govt forcefully evicts peaceful devotees from shrine

https://www.opindia.com/2018/11/massive ... hrine/amp/

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 13:38

As per this report in Mathrubhumi (Malayalam), Supreme Court has again said that all Sabari Mala related petitions can only be heard on or after Jan 22nd. Today was the day the Travancore Devaswom Board was to appeal to Supreme Court to put a stay on the verdict.

Mathrubhumi (English) also reports that Kerala High Court has come down heavily on the Kerala Police. The Advocate General has been asked to appear in court in person and explain the police actions at Sabari Mala. High Court has asked for the names of the police officers on duty, and whether the police men are fully trained on crowd control. Another news report; mentions that the High Court clearly said that Supreme court verdict need NOT be implemented by keeping the Ayyappa pilgrims as hostages. And this when Kerala Police wants more time to identify its own men who indulged in violence and theft at Nilakkal, the first time the temple opened this season.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Nov 2018 13:57

Just makes my blood boil. At one stage Karan Thapar suggested a method of removing PM Candidate Modi. I think that suggestion of Karan Thapar need to be applied to the devaswom boards.

That way PeeWee Mao can go back claiming that he was the great bleeder only the devaswom boards stood in the way (cannot be seen to blink). Commies must lose control over all devaswom boards (Commies lose here) and the newly re-constituted devaswom boards must look after the swamis first (rededication for the swamis)

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Somebody asked why there were not many protests for Shani Shingnapur? Well it was first a trailer by the commies & k-angrej, second Shani dev is a minor god, a god for one of the planets and Shani Shingnapur derives its traditions from a 400 year old legend. Third, it does not have a mass appeal beyond Maharashtra borders like Swami Ayappa. Many never even heard of it till it became a target for Feminazis. Still it did not go down without a fight and it was a dry run to assault on Sabarimalai.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Nov 2018 14:07

Sachin wrote:Updates at 19/11/2018 1200Hrs.

6 young women arrive in Kochi from Malabar for Sabarimala darshan. Most likely this would be from the "party villages" of CPI(M) from North Kerala districts like Kannur. SB CID seems to have collected the details of the women. But the police have said that they have to reach Nilakkal base camp on their own and at their own risk.

No basic amenities for pilgrims in Pampa: {MP Alfons} Kannanthanam. And he has condemned the imposition of Cr.PC 144 as well. But what next?

Alphons Kannanthanam in Sabarimala; `Situation worse than emergency'. What next? Is his visit getting covered on national media?

The above keeps the pressure on Pee Wee. Regular Hartaals, Bolis action, Court condemnation, Cabinet minister's criticisms and public rebuke, swamis consternation. None of the above will cause immediate change. Overall, it helps build the right narrative that commies are anti-swamis and only want to loot.

Further this strengthens the case in SC on review petitions, indicating that the commies should have looked after basic infrastructure first instead of jumping into saving the feminazis and sending nekid woman up the steps. Mewlawds can say that the facilities should be built to the complete satisfaction of concerned parties first and then the rest of their previous order can be carried out and then go hide collectively behind a legal fig leaf. Of course no facility exists on earth which is to complete satisfaction of concerned parties (swamis here). So facilities can also be improved continuously for generations till there are no swamis coming for the Swami.

As such now since Trupti has been left a-Trupt., it is turn for Arundhati Roy to wade into this. She should follow the 41 day ritual properly, declare her devotion for Ayappa, trek the way to the temple and declare victory on behalf of feminists.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 19 Nov 2018 14:20

Arundhati Roy is 56 year old buddi

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Nov 2018 14:27

TKiran wrote:Arundhati Roy is 56 year old buddi

^That is the point!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Nov 2018 14:30

Claiming Sabarimala - The Hindu

See the deviousness of The Hindu.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Nov 2018 15:31

I have seen many Hindu police in various states in working near temples and other religious places and events. Normally they are very respectful in their work and many of them in fact ask for such duty so that they can serve. True that they may act harsh sometimes in crowd control but it almost never willful.

I am quite sure that the same in case of normal KP personal. It is quite possible the "police" in this case may be CPM goons or/and EJ/peaceful fellows.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 15:37

Updates 19/11/2018 1530Hrs.
1. Adv. General of Kerala comes in person to High Court and "explains" the reasons for the police measures at Sabari Mala shrine. The court said that Sabari Mala cannot be made a war front. The court has clearly said that old men & women, and pilgrims with children should be allowed to camp at Sannidhanam. DGP has to file an affidavit on why the resting places were flooded with water, since then no one can then lie down/sit down there. The DGP in turn have given a show-cause notice to the IG and SP on duty at the hill top yesterday asking why they did what they did yesterday. The key question asked by High Court is - When the supreme court verdict has no directives/actionables; on whose authority did the K.P took drastic steps at the shrine.
2. Mean while the six women activists who had planned to make a visit today have now chicked out and decided to do a "Press meet" instead. They are now singing a completely different song now, by now saying that they prefer going to the temple with the full approval of the devotees. The women also now fear ostracisation from their own families and the community

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3. Travancore Devaswom Board submits a petition to Supreme Court asking for more time to implemention of the verdict. But it is not clear when the petition gets "mentioned" (i.e listed). And again there are doubts on whether TDB has submitted all relevant documents to the advocates helping them at the Supreme Court. Instead of sending some one to Delhi with the documents, they are trying Speed Post

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SSridhar wrote:See the deviousness of The Hindu.

The Hindu is actually a bit late. These kind of devious demands have been made by communist intellectuals in Kerala two-three weeks back. But the fact is that Mala araya community etc. will not get any support from any other Hindu groups in Kerala, because they are comfortable with the system as of today.

disha wrote:Overall, it helps build the right narrative that commies are anti-swamis and only want to loot.

+1. And now what? The Congress folks in Kerala have realised that they are getting forgotten in this whole issue. So they too plan to send their leaders to the hill temple

. At this rate CPI too may start sending their leaders from next week on.

Yagansri wrote:I am quite sure that the same in case of normal KP personal. It is quite possible the "police" in this case may be CPM goons or/and EJ/peaceful fellows.

Take for example the police men seen vandalising vehicles etc. One of them was seen stealing a helmet. This police man had later appeared on social media and said that he stole the helmet because he had to protect his head (from flying stones). It looks like the police force now deployed at Sabari Mala are not Hindus. Yes it could be a mix of commies, EJs, peacefools. And many of the superior officers, are also not very experienced in handling Sabari Mala pilgrimage.

There was a plan by CPI & CPI(M) to actually ask for central police forces. The idea was that if they get deployed, the responsibility of their conduct would fall on the central government. But they were also worried that the CPO men (who could be devout Hindus from other parts of India) would actually side the pilgrims, and they may not cooperate with the K.P mode of "crowd management".

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Nov 2018 15:52

SSridhar wrote:Claiming Sabarimala - The Hindu

See the deviousness of The Hindu.

this paper has only the culture of ej deviousness, urban naxal led fake news and cheeni worship.

He is also an "atheist" in the time honoured fashion of all journos fearful for their lives and a graduate of loyola college as well as columbia university and his "nationalist" loyalties have frequently been demonstrated.

he is also very aptly named

not hindu ram.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1M891xMRU

GREAT Example of How to DESTROY a Pseudo-Secular Biased Journalist

just for the record, I am not a fan of either one of them

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2018 16:02

I was just wondering why can't the pilgrims start the anti-MF Hussain tactic against K.P and Devaswom Board as well? Pilgrims who went to Sabari Mala and was not allowed to complete their pilgrimage by conducting all rituals; can they file a case of "hurting religious sentiments" in their local jurisdictional courts? And then make K.P and TDB respondents in such cases?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Nov 2018 17:27

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 19 Nov 2018 18:40

The above claim is such a lame excuse. The CM of the state is from Kerala, the Home Minister as well, so are the people who put him in power (electoral mandate as per the constitution). Now putting blame on a servant of the government of Kerala (who in this case may be from UP) is in extreme bad taste. A non-existent North-South narrative is being aired without any basis.

PS: I am not defending the indefensible actions of the police in Sabarimalai, but it is not UP police acting under the directions of CM of UP.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 19 Nov 2018 19:11

I made a "proposed legilation" (anyone remember good old Rahul Mehta?) to solve the Sabarimala impasse. Now, who will bell the cat?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Nov 2018 19:32

prahaar wrote:The above claim is such a lame excuse. The CM of the state is from Kerala, the Home Minister as well, so are the people who put him in power (electoral mandate as per the constitution). Now putting blame on a servant of the government of Kerala (who in this case may be from UP) is in extreme bad taste. A non-existent North-South narrative is being aired without any basis.

PS: I am not defending the indefensible actions of the police in Sabarimalai, but it is not UP police acting under the directions of CM of UP.

The comment is on behavior and the lack of sensitivity to the ground situation and not anything else. Maybe the south Indians have not experienced the tact and diplomacy of such people so far and so it may seem strange to some.

To a hammer, everything looks like a nail and to some others, protesting devotees may look like goondas whom they may be habituated to dealing with.

Why have experienced senior police officers who regularly and willingly opt and volunteer for the Sabarimala duty gone missing this time?? Maybe, they all knew in advance that unpalatable "verbal" orders may be issued by thugs and other undesirables.

Let such atrocities take place in other religious places of importance and just watch the reaction of the prestitutes as well as the aam aadmi.

Surely any cm will never be elected for such things as unleashing police on the devotees. the excuse of (electoral mandate as per the constitution) is a pathetic attempt to side track targeted state violence against devotees following long established and sanctified practices at this hugely popular pilgrim destination.

Does the same govt display the matching or identical (electoral mandate as per the constitution) vigor in protecting you against "attimari" or "noku coolie"?? These facists opportunists just don't have the testicular fortitude to do so.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 19 Nov 2018 20:12

Are you suggesting that these things are happening in Sabarimala due to UP police officers? Did the person who was thrown from the clip also UP officer?

I am in full favor of calling out all those (press, police (IPS, state police), IAS, etc.) who have made this horrible torture of Ayyappa swamys in every possible manner. Please note in my post above, I am in no way condoning the IPS officer's behavior. I also recognize that this is harsher, because the devotee also happens to be a Hindu devotee.

My only objection was regarding the fact that these atrocities are happening due to the presence of UP IPS officers. In my opinion, when a government of the state acts in a certain way, it has the means to obtain resources to execute its will. To reduce the problem to non-state officers will only help Pinarayi government, nobody else.