chola wrote:One, there is no sky is falling prediction in my part. It is the exact opposite. I actually detest the constant dhoti shivering about the “two-front” war. I said REPEATEDLY that we own overwhelming advantages in every likely theater of war. If we go to war with Cheen we win, it’s that simple. So I have no goddamn idea how the hell you put that label on me.
OTOH, you buy into their propaganda unquestioningly. Second, you make aggressive, verbose posts when anyone points out flaws in their propaganda. Next, you aggressively war monger asking for a conflict which doesn't serve India's interest at this point of time. So either take a breather or tone your behavior down a huge notch.
Two, the fact they are making ships, aircraft and the radars that go in them should be a driver for us to kick things up a notch. That is what the US is doing with the China threat and what China does with the American. We win if we go to war but if we don’t then they will win with their MIC pumping chit into the gray zones and global commons and as exports to every one of our neighbors.
It would be STUPID of us to ape anyone because they are doing things a certain way. We have a budget, certain needs and we proceed according to that, ending up like the former soviet union, broke and "powerful" may be your idea of success, it sure isn't India's.
Three, just calling their products propaganda does us absolutely no damn good. Being dismissive doesn’t stop them from flooding their crap — drones, subs, tanks, etc. — across the width and breadth of the IOR.
It absolutely does every damn good, because unlike your breathless posts tom tomming every chinese agit prop video or picture as an example of great success or how they have achieved something remarkable, we need to aim for tangible aims for our resources.
We need to look beyond their rubbish PR and see what is the actual threat. Which is what the IAF, DRDO et al do and which gets drowned in your constant refrain about how great they are, how lousy India is, how far behind we are, and how we must be like the PRC, and yet we are currently more powerful and should fight them.
Four, tell me which Indian radar will be installed in our landmark projects coming up? The P15B? The P17A? The IAC 1? The Tejas? I beg and hope for the Uttam somewhere down the line but who the hell knows. If not those then where do you see our lab experiments? The AEW&C, the CABS AWACS? Let me know after we deal with the Embraer inquiry and figuring out whether we can combine a damn tanker with the AEW radar. I’m no damn child, Karan.
You are behaving like an angsty teenager, constantly asking for war or complaining we are so far behind, there is no hope etc etc. Its a yo-yo swing betwee extreme emotions. You have no clue of our radar programs yet call them lab experiments, when the reality is unlike those Chinese brochures you are touting, each & every one of the DRDO radars advertised as production ready, has actually gone into service, the test articles are clearly mentioned as such & the DRDO/Navy/AF et al keep a close lid on the specifics of what they are inducting and when. There are currently some 5 DRDO AESA radars in induction, minimal fuss. More than double the number in development, with several in trials already. Without any bragging or huge fuss. At the same time, the services are inducting radars from worldlwide OEMS, whose tech the PRC would give their organs for.
Having observed the Indian establishments MIC for over 2 decades now, I have ample evidence to state that for all their warts, they have made tangible progress at a fraction of the cost of the PRC. They are acutely aware of what the PRC has, what India does, where the gaps are & they make their case strongly to the political establishment.
Unlike the PRC, we are not buying obsolescent local designs en masse and churning them for employment. We buy specific numbers of local equipment, backing them up with higher capability imports, while seeking to upgrade the local base in the meanwhile.
As we speak, while you were busy screaming about the "lack of Indian radars" in "our landmark programs", the DRDO has focused its efforts on strategic programs like the BMD, the IAFs ADGEs & its systems are already in production. While there half a dozen other AESA radars in trials for more pressing needs. The Navy already has AESAs which dwarf the PRC ones via its JVs with Rafale & SAAB, while the DRDO can rapidly switch to Naval systems as it's already built up competence with the Naval 3D surveillance program which has been inducted as well.
Its all a question of priorities & technology access. I don't see the reason to hyperventilate about the constant state of progress. PS: Thanks to the Embraer program, we now an AWACS program capability as well, while larger Phalcons are already available ex-import. Unlike PRC, we are in a position of plenty viz. tech access.
Those GRFP cabins which the PRC was touting as an achievement, were fielded by India in the 1970's and 1980's for its radar programs. Have some awareness!
Five, I believe in our position as great power that is practically invulnerable right now. We can afford to put our indigenous systems into service and work out the kinks which is what Cheen does.
We are anything but. War has economic and social costs. Plus our inventory is nowhere where we need it to be, for that matter neither is the PRCs.
Six, I believe in competition and in self-confidence. Insisting that just because I point out certain things that Cheen does well suddenly means I’m saying the “sky is falling” has a lot more to do with your confidence in our nation than mine.
My nation is India. Which country's citizenship do you hold again, before giving me sermons on confidence in my nation? Before advocating war constantly, please come back to India, enroll in the military get some skin in the game before constantly hankering for conflict.
Next, your behavior is completely and totally bizarre.
You constantly claim that PRC is weak. Yet take over the top umbrage when their propaganda is punctured. You constantly insist India is strong, while bemoaning its weakness, yet claim it should go to war at the drop of a hat.
I am sorry, but this sort of excitable behavior is NOT suitable for any measured discussion or BRF. Please temper your behavior and bring some maturity and gravitas in your commentary.